Much appreciated LISI've been out of town for 4 days, so I didn't follow the game (not even sure who won), but ....
Jesus people - MJ should have been lynched far earlier.
I was super annoyed when I saw this and didn't see him called out for "2- he trusted me". I voted for him Day 1. Other than admitting that I <might> have blinders on with him, I never EVER said I trusted him. I kept him at <least> at 'weak wolf' or higher every time I posted my list.
I never trusted him, and people seem to have just taken his word on it. Anytime someone asserts that a dead person felt some way about them and it is unverifiable - you should immediately discount it completely.
Similar issue. Y'all should have instantly realized there's no way I'd reveal my role to him like he seems to be indicating ("without him telling me"). I had him as weak wolf on my list. You really think I'd ability-reveal to that?
C'mon folks.
MJ should have been an insta-lynch the day he posted those 4 or 5 posts in a row that were basically "I'm busy" and "Still busy" and "Don't have anything to say". That was sketchy AS HELL, and even more to the point - if that's all you're going to contribute to a game, it's better to vote for that person and get them out of the game. At best you catch a wolf. At worst you unfortunately kill off a villager - but it's one who is openly saying they aren't playing/contributing.
Classic wolf strategy is killing off the contributing/active players. There's no need to help them with that.
I'm not saying automatically lynch inactive players, but .... you SHOULD be taking a good look at them. In this case, look at this game - SP posted *JUST* enough to technically meet the rules, but basically stayed out of the game the entire time (remember when I said "Is SP even playing?"). MJ didn't post enough to meet the requirements and had to be admonished by the mod. Two of the original four wolves were playing a "minimal posting" game.
It's definitely worth watching that kind of thing.
Seriously guys. From the person who literally posted 3-5 times IN A ROW THAT HE HAD NOTHING TO CONTRIBUTE .... you let this go?
I mean, I get it. You eventually lynched him. But holy amazeballs he should have been lynched earlier. Poor Trilt had to listen to me rant about it in PM.
For all that STL and I give each **** about our play, especially me giving him crap about the stupid Savant thing ... this kind of move is so freaking smart. It's this sort of stuff that makes STL a good player, not the 'savant' thing.
I actually think that's true, though I suspect you were saying it to try and weasel out of being lynched at the time. If you look at STL's mid- to early-game suspicion lists ... he was incredibly off-target. I even PM'd Trilt and said "Do you think that STL is actually posting his honest suspicions, or is he trying to sucker the wolves into something?" because he was so off.
I mean, STL is an excellent player. Not taking that away. And he did get back on target a day or so after I had PM'd Trilt with a "WTH do you think is up with STL's suspicion list?" But I don't think the 'savant' thing is really all that on-target. It's just biased sampling.
This should have been an alarm to people. It might be true - no doubt - but it is incredibly useful to get players to put a stake in the ground: find out who they agree with and why. Wolves are often pretty reluctant to get too committed to something.
@WildZoo - nice game. You played a solid wolf game. It would have helped me be less suspicious if you contributed slightly more, but you generally contributed jusssssst enough to not ever make it <super> high on my wolf list. Not enough for me to be lynching you. When Trilt told me who the wolves were, you were the one I was most surprised at. MJ was no surprise at all. SP was kinda a 'meh - can never tell with a n00b who is basically not playing/contributing'.
Anyway, I tuned out of SDN right about the point I expect the wolves would have converted someone. Have to go back now and see who they converted, and who won the game.
I was definitely much less active than I should have been...kind of relied on STL's vouching to get me through the busy times.
Now that I think about it...Pretty sure I've converted the obvious choice in every game I've won as an original wolf
Hey now, I had animations/props in mine
. But I will take 7.5 that's an above average wolf brag:
I think MJ's second post in the wolf PM was that we should convert STL
Maybe if someone had mentioned the idea a little further in advance...Hey now, I had animations/props in mine
I needed to be sure sp got lynched again, since troublesome "noob" (she doesn't deserve the designation o noob) could have gotten in the way
Hey now, I had animations/props in mine
) but it should drop them a little bit imo. Additionally with a tracker and affiliation seer down in a fairly small game, I was a little shocked SP's ability seer claim wasn't a little bit more hammered on; not only is that really the best seering ability for a wolf, but looking back at who she had looked into would have been very very helpful in assessing how sketchy she was.
Was it essentially a glitch to have althe upgrader be convertible, in combo with the ability to steal lynch svoidance and all that? (Aka did I do stuff you didn't expect, that you would have otherwise removed from the game?)So yeah, just quick post-game thoughts:
When I say to focus on gameplay and not role, listen to me. I don't lie as a mod, I'm not trying to pull a fast one, the way most of my recent games have been designed is spreading traditionally "sketchy" vs not abilities between wolves and village so that it's not just a game of role reveal, move on, etc. Also my second game recently where people are burned depending on village code... that stuff is cheap lazy play, I will (and did) give info to wolves to make sure they're not caught by it.
With that said, an eye on the way roles were used and analysis would have really helped this game. MJ went down, and you knew the people that he talked to (/blocked).... Yet they were still some of the highest suspicion people. Okay for sure wolves will occasionally create cover for fellows by using their abilities on them (@Jilary, @kcoughli....
Beyond that... listen to LIS. It would have been very prudent this game to lynch people who refused to contribute. At the very worst, you lose a villager who wasn't making the game any more fun, at best you get an UTR wolf.
Hmm what else...
Oh! Death/write-ups are almost never useless flair in my games. There's almost always hints within, and you could have figured out which wolves were responsible for deaths this time by accidental vs. disease based deaths for sure.
All in all I think this game was a little wolf heavy compared to my normal, and there are definitely some design flaws I would have revised if I had spent a smidge more time on it... but hopefully was still an enjoyable time killer until whatever more polished game is coming along.
I'm happy to answer any questions!
Lol they used a bunch of actions on you n1 and when they saw your ability basically went "crappp!!!"Yes. Please. So I don't have to listen to Trilt rant about it in multiple PMs.
(Kidding, Trilt. I was there with ya.)
Wolves, why you kill me early? Sniff.
Nah. I mean, the chances that those specific abilities would make it into endgame the way they did were fairly low, and if different wolves were lynched end game would have looked very different. I would have started restricting you guys a lil just to be reasonable if you hadn't clenched it.
In all fairness, I actually was busy and forgot about the game. But all points are valid regardless.I've been out of town for 4 days, so I didn't follow the game (not even sure who won), but ....
Jesus people - MJ should have been lynched far earlier.
I was super annoyed when I saw this and didn't see him called out for "2- he trusted me". I voted for him Day 1. Other than admitting that I <might> have blinders on with him, I never EVER said I trusted him. I kept him at <least> at 'weak wolf' or higher every time I posted my list.
I never trusted him, and people seem to have just taken his word on it. Anytime someone asserts that a dead person felt some way about them and it is unverifiable - you should immediately discount it completely.
Similar issue. Y'all should have instantly realized there's no way I'd reveal my role to him like he seems to be indicating ("without him telling me"). I had him as weak wolf on my list. You really think I'd ability-reveal to that?
C'mon folks.
MJ should have been an insta-lynch the day he posted those 4 or 5 posts in a row that were basically "I'm busy" and "Still busy" and "Don't have anything to say". That was sketchy AS HELL, and even more to the point - if that's all you're going to contribute to a game, it's better to vote for that person and get them out of the game. At best you catch a wolf. At worst you unfortunately kill off a villager - but it's one who is openly saying they aren't playing/contributing.
Classic wolf strategy is killing off the contributing/active players. There's no need to help them with that.
I'm not saying automatically lynch inactive players, but .... you SHOULD be taking a good look at them. In this case, look at this game - SP posted *JUST* enough to technically meet the rules, but basically stayed out of the game the entire time (remember when I said "Is SP even playing?"). MJ didn't post enough to meet the requirements and had to be admonished by the mod. Two of the original four wolves were playing a "minimal posting" game.
It's definitely worth watching that kind of thing.
Seriously guys. From the person who literally posted 3-5 times IN A ROW THAT HE HAD NOTHING TO CONTRIBUTE .... you let this go?
I mean, I get it. You eventually lynched him. But holy amazeballs he should have been lynched earlier. Poor Trilt had to listen to me rant about it in PM.
For all that STL and I give each **** about our play, especially me giving him crap about the stupid Savant thing ... this kind of move is so freaking smart. It's this sort of stuff that makes STL a good player, not the 'savant' thing.
I actually think that's true, though I suspect you were saying it to try and weasel out of being lynched at the time. If you look at STL's mid- to early-game suspicion lists ... he was incredibly off-target. I even PM'd Trilt and said "Do you think that STL is actually posting his honest suspicions, or is he trying to sucker the wolves into something?" because he was so off.
I mean, STL is an excellent player. Not taking that away. And he did get back on target a day or so after I had PM'd Trilt with a "WTH do you think is up with STL's suspicion list?" But I don't think the 'savant' thing is really all that on-target. It's just biased sampling.
This should have been an alarm to people. It might be true - no doubt - but it is incredibly useful to get players to put a stake in the ground: find out who they agree with and why. Wolves are often pretty reluctant to get too committed to something.
@WildZoo - nice game. You played a solid wolf game. It would have helped me be less suspicious if you contributed slightly more, but you generally contributed jusssssst enough to not ever make it <super> high on my wolf list. Not enough for me to be lynching you. When Trilt told me who the wolves were, you were the one I was most surprised at. MJ was no surprise at all. SP was kinda a 'meh - can never tell with a n00b who is basically not playing/contributing'.
Anyway, I tuned out of SDN right about the point I expect the wolves would have converted someone. Have to go back now and see who they converted, and who won the game.
I thought killing you was a bad move, personally. But it worked lol.
Your death was pretty well warranted methinks. Wolves didn't know exactly what you gleaned and honestly the info you got wasn't too scary re:them... but you're smart enough that you would have figured out tinkerer and affil seer from that first night when roles started being outed, and could have nicely soft defended them down the line.
I typically don't like to take out the players early on who I know will put a lot of time/effort into the game because it makes it boring and cheapens the win in my opinion, but in that case...had to do it.
I was waiting for rooms to turn over in surgery lol- had ten minutes with nothing to do, so figured I'd snap a pic. It was actually legit. I knew keeping you alive was a threat, but sometimes I don't play the smartest- I let fun players live, and I wanted to keep you alive for that reason. My pack chose the wise thing though lol...
Hey now! I'll be a good veterinarian, provides that a certain Schnauzer with diabetes (@WildZoo ) stays out of my practice!After reading everything - and watching those three diabolical videos:
I am never taking my cat to a veterinary hospital that employs any of YOU homicidal wolves or @cdoconn!!!
Just kidding.
^basically me
Team MadZoo finally makes the transition from playing to modding
hey send me that BioShock spreadsheet...
The shame tax
Unless it's just a post-game play to make you feel even worse for losing, because you lost to someone that admittedly sucks
Oh????
The only reason I kept it together and didn't have a meltdown by like day 3 was because I had my wolf-mom @WildZoo stopping me from stressing out over every single thing that happened.
Oh I love designing things, that won't take much effort. The second pic tho... That's the truth.
We discussed that on rabbit (actually, I made Jayna discuss it).
I wanted there to be a hint but not something that'd whap ya over the head.
We discussed that on rabbit (actually, I made Jayna discuss it).
