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prostitution and uncircumsized penises are an abomination. i don't care if she is dismissed or not.
As a matter of fact, yes, because EVERYTHING can be considered unprofessional behavior. Five minutes late to lecture, dismissed for unprofessional behavior. Forget to turn your ringer off and it rings, dismissed for unprofessional behavior. Everything is unprofessional if the school wants to look at it that way. But I guess it's a privilege to be dismissed, so no worries.
Again, your statement says AFTER THEY WARNED YOU. And losing a retail job isn't the same as being kicked out of med school. Once you're out of med school, you can forget about ever becoming a doctor. The punishment doesn't fit the (legal) crime. Oh and by the way, she didn't bring negative attention to her school because no one knows what school she goes to. Quit trying to make up crap to make your point.
As a matter of fact, yes, because EVERYTHING can be considered unprofessional behavior. Five minutes late to lecture, dismissed for unprofessional behavior. Forget to turn your ringer off and it rings, dismissed for unprofessional behavior. Everything is unprofessional if the school wants to look at it that way. But I guess it's a privilege to be dismissed, so no worries.
prostitution and uncircumsized penises are an abomination. i don't care if she is dismissed or not.
If all you can come up with is calling me naive simply because you don't agree with me, you can't get butthurt if I find it humorous.
So because you don't like something, it should be illegal? That is some rigorous logic right there.When your 18 year-old daughter starts selling her body for cash, don't get upset
Once again, argumentum ad passiones. You're on a roll.I'm not saying she doesn't have the "right" to do it. She's a grown woman and whoever is bidding on her is a grown man (presumably). The reason why I jumped in was because I asked Nontrad to place himself in a theoretical situation where his daughter was doing this same thing or similar things (selling yourself for money in some way, shape, or form), and asked how he would feel about that provided the theoretical daughter felt empowered by doing these acts.
...this girl was clearly brilliant and supposedly good looking, and had her entire present life taken care of for her. Her life was set. But she wanted more...
I'm of the opinion that if you think people would 'do anything' to get into medical school, that speaks to your character, not hers.She was willing to defy the very school that gave her an opportunity people would do anything to have. That says a lot about her true character.
just...lolAs humans, they OWN their school.
Where have they stated that they find it repulsive. Please stop your inane conjecture.Why should they have to tolerate behavior they find repulsive?
wowHow about a very un-extreme comparison
That's not quite how it works here in grown-up land."We don't care about your money. We can fill your spot with someone who will represent us how we want."
I'll let unprofessional reasons slide. Once again, here in grown-up land we have these things we call contracts, and one party can't just stand up and say "unprofessional reasons", and renege on their part of the deal. With the money she stood to gain, I'd think she hired a competent attorney who could ensure that this in no way violated the School's ethics code.It's a service she is receiving through money, but they can terminate the exchange for unprofessional reasons.
So because I was speaking of the right of a school to make a decision, I don't know what the word means
. ...aaaand there's another word you don't know the meaning of. You seem to be making a habit of using words you don't quite understand.Uh, no. And really, every quote I have is of you making a snarky comment because you have nothing intelligible to say.
Once again, you seem to have some trouble grasping the concept of a contract. When someone hasn't hired you yet, a contract isn't in effect.EDIT: Or another simple comparison: Employers use Facebook before hiring an applicant to get a possible idea of who they are outside of work. In some instances, they come across applicants as wild partiers, promiscuous, etc. Employer hasevery right to deny the applicant a position at his company based on what he found. Even though the applicant didnothing illegal in those pictures, itdoes not matter. You may not like it, but again,it doesn't matter what you like or don't like. It's their choice, not yours or anyone else's.
Where has she displayed herself publicly?By publicly displaying yourself
lolschool's name will get splayed all over the place.
There we go again, using words we don't quite understand.And again, it's the school's right to dismiss her for flaunting herself the way she did.
Based upon?She has it coming.
What? Who did she misrepresent?And misrepresentation can be deemed as unprofessional. I'm not saying this for my own health
FINALLY, something at which you can claim proficiency!it's a slippery slope
Damnit! We're back...There may be a "contract" but there are also Honor Codes, Codes of Conduct, etc. We pay them, we are given theprivilegeto follow their rules and pass their classes to get a piece of paper saying we did a good job.
hehthe simplest common sense rules of all: Don't be a prostitute because it's illegal here in the states.
haha. As a prostitute, I'd imagine she'd become quite proficient at submitting to authority.It stands to reason that she will have trouble down the line of respecting others, especially ones in authority. That's why they don't tolerate this behavior.
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAThey are trying to breed future doctors who are in line with their mission and beliefs.
Like I said, I am well aware that medical schools abuse this and label anything as unprofessional, even valid criticism of the school from their students on a variety of things. I agree it's used sometimes to shut med students up. I agree with you. What I am saying is that Elizabeth Raines gave their side a lot of ammo on lapses of medical student professionalism, justifying what they are doing.As a matter of fact, yes, because EVERYTHING can be considered unprofessional behavior. Five minutes late to lecture, dismissed for unprofessional behavior. Forget to turn your ringer off and it rings, dismissed for unprofessional behavior. Everything is unprofessional if the school wants to look at it that way. But I guess it's a privilege to be dismissed, so no worries.
tl;dr
I'm glad I could make up a good part of your evening.
aww...giving up already?
That took all of 10 minutes to put together. Like I said, take it to the den, and we can start having some REAL fun!
Me love you long time...
I already 'got' you. I cannot fully express the depth of how strongly I feel about you with the vocabulary I'm limited to in this sub-forum. You underestimate yourself. I could not possibly debase you more than you have done yourself.I appreciate the offer! The conversation is already here, though. I guess you need another forum in order to get on a more debased level to "get me."
I did read a few of your "responses" though. Nothing that anyone would say in a discussion, so there is no point in replying.
I already 'got' you. I cannot fully express the depth of how strongly I feel about you with the vocabulary I'm limited to in this sub-forum. You underestimate yourself. I could not possibly debase you more than you have done yourself.
hehehahahaHAHAHAHAMWHAAHHAHAHAHAAHAHA.
Cool. Well, keep going off topic. Maybe you'll get the mods to close it so you don't have to have so many feels.
Very well, let's see if I can 'come up' with anything else.
So because you don't like something, it should be illegal? That is some rigorous logic right there.
Once again, argumentum ad passiones. You're on a roll.
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Also, ' had her entire present life taken care of for her'. So she had nothing at all to do with it?
I'm of the opinion that if you think people would 'do anything' to get into medical school, that speaks to your character, not hers.
just...lol
Where have they stated that they find it repulsive. Please stop your inane conjecture.
such wow
That's not quite how it works here in grown-up land.
I'll let unprofessional reasons slide. Once again, here in grown-up land we have these things we call contracts, and one party can't just stand up and say "unprofessional reasons", and renege on their part of the deal. With the money she stood to gain, I'd think she hired a competent attorney who could ensure that thic in no way violated the School's ethics code.
You don't.
. ...aaaand there's another word you don't know the meaning of. You seem to be making a habit of using words you don't quite understand.
Once again, you seem to have some trouble grasping the concept of a contract. When someone hasn't hired you yet, a contract isn't in effect.
Where has she displayed herself publicly?
There we go again, using words we don't quite understand.
Based upon?
What? Who did she misrepresent?
FINALLY, something at which you can claim proficiency!
Damnit! We're back...
haha. As a prostitute, I'd imagine she'd become quite proficient at submitting to authority.
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I'm trying to not lose my **** here. This is all SFW, since I don't want to violate ToS. I have a lot of choicer stuff and if you still want to tango, take it to the den, and it would be my great pleasure to oblige.
You're continuously and purposefully being obtuse here. Either that, or you legitimately don't understand why an organization would find "publicizing prostitution" to be significantly more damaging to its reputation than "being 5 minutes late to lecture."
Like I said, I am well aware that medical schools abuse this and label anything as unprofessional, even valid criticism of the school from their students on a variety of things. I agree it's used sometimes to shut med students up. I agree with you. What I am saying is that Elizabeth Raines gave their side a lot of ammo on lapses of medical student professionalism, justifying what they are doing.
And yes, as someone who was once in the corporate world as you were, you should know that being late to things is unprofessional. If you think it's not, I can't wait till you get yourself chewed out by a Surgery resident or an OB-Gyn resident for being late to rounds, when they won't be as "nice" as your PhD professor.
You know perfectly well that medical schools don't kick you out on the first offense, unless it's something egregious. It's when you're repeatedly late (even 5 minutes) after being warned about it that you are eventually kicked out.First of all, do I have to remind you that I've already been through clerkships? Second, when did I say it wasn't unprofessional to be late? I said that being 5 minutes late to a lecture does not justify being dismissed from medical school. But, the way med schools ambiguously write their codes of conduct with that buzz-word "unprofessionalism" someone could use it to justify their position of dismissing students for such things. Don't twist what I said just so you can reply to it.
Very well, let's see if I can 'come up' with anything else.
So because you don't like something, it should be illegal? That is some rigorous logic right there.
Once again, argumentum ad passiones. You're on a roll.
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Also, ' had her entire present life taken care of for her'. So she had nothing at all to do with it?
I'm of the opinion that if you think people would 'do anything' to get into medical school, that speaks to your character, not hers.
just...lol
Where have they stated that they find it repulsive. Please stop your inane conjecture.
wow
That's not quite how it works here in grown-up land.
I'll let unprofessional reasons slide. Once again, here in grown-up land we have these things we call contracts, and one party can't just stand up and say "unprofessional reasons", and renege on their part of the deal. With the money she stood to gain, I'd think she hired a competent attorney who could ensure that this in no way violated the School's ethics code.
You don't.
. ...aaaand there's another word you don't know the meaning of. You seem to be making a habit of using words you don't quite understand.
Once again, you seem to have some trouble grasping the concept of a contract. When someone hasn't hired you yet, a contract isn't in effect.
Where has she displayed herself publicly?
lol
There we go again, using words we don't quite understand.
Based upon?
What? Who did she misrepresent?
FINALLY, something at which you can claim proficiency!
Damnit! We're back...
heh
haha. As a prostitute, I'd imagine she'd become quite proficient at submitting to authority.
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I'm trying to not lose my **** here. This is all SFW, since I don't want to violate ToS. I have a lot of choicer stuff and if you still want to tango, take it to the den, and it would be my great pleasure to oblige.
You know perfectly well that medical schools don't kick you out on the first offense, unless it's something egregious. It's when you're repeatedly late (even 5 minutes) after being warned about it that you are eventually kicked out.
The reason that most schools don't dismiss someone on the first attempt, unless it's egregious, is bc they have a due process procedure in place. Courts allow great leeway for academic institutions to decide academic actions within their institution. Medical students have sued in the past in court, from being let go from med school, saying they weren't given due process before dismissal, only to have it established in the discovery phase, that they were in fact repeat offenders, and which they met with med school administration numerous times.See, this is where I could make a comment about you being obtuse. Instead, I'll clarify -- I was saying that by leaving the word unprofessional so ambiguous, it frees a med school to interpret it however they wish. My example was that since technically, being late to class is unprofessional, what's to stop them from dismissing someone for it (even a first offense)? It would be their right to dismiss someone for it, after all, as it falls under the professionalism umbrella. I'm trying to say that's why I despise the word and the ambiguous policies that schools employ.
I wonder when did med students or docs have that much time to argue over petty things which doesn't even matter .
Take a chill pill and study for step 1 or something.
I wonder when did med students or docs have that much time to argue over petty things which doesn't even matter .
Take a chill pill and study for step 1 or something.
<3 xkcd
You'll do well in medicine. You seem to love set-in-stone bureaucratic rules and procedures. The government will give you plenty of those.See, this is where I could make a comment about you being obtuse. Instead, I'll clarify -- I was saying that by leaving the word unprofessional so ambiguous, it frees a med school to interpret it however they wish. My example was that since technically, being late to class is unprofessional, what's to stop them from dismissing someone for it (even a first offense)? It would be their right to dismiss someone for it, after all, as it falls under the professionalism umbrella. I'm trying to say that's why I despise the word and the ambiguous policies that schools employ.
You people are arguing just to argue.
What do you mean "you people"?You people are arguing just to argue.
master debator. hehehe. and 'people'. your passive aggression is cute.I liked the part where people argue points line by line. saying bahaha in all caps makes you look like a practiced master debator.
I agree. This should be taken to the den. And you should show us how it's done, Cap'n.I like watching a good internet forum free-for-all as much as the next guy, but this has turned into something akin to 3rd overtime between the two worst teams in the WNBA.
I think it's time to just call this one.
OMG, it really was her!!! "made headlines around the world when she dubbed herself the 'Virgin *****' and said she would sleep with the highest bidder." -- ok so that's why media reports called her that. I'm almost 100% sure she'll now go into a rant about "slut-shaming".Officially outed:
"A source close to Hanna said: 'This auction didn't work, plain and simple. Hanna had to face the fact that maybe her virginity wasn't worth as much as she thought it was.'
Mail Online can also reveal furious professors at her college, the University of Washington, found out about the auction and hauled her in to explain herself.
At that point they will let her know what disciplinary action she will face for sullying the name of the prestigious university.
They have already told her that her ‘immoral’ behavior has put her future career in the medical profession in serious jeopardy.
Since abandoning the auction, Utah-born Hanna, has been keeping a low profile in her shared apartment in the north of Seattle."
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...y-backed-auction-virginity.html#ixzz31L3j8ceB
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OMG, it really was her!!! "made headlines around the world when she dubbed herself the 'Virgin *****' and said she would sleep with the highest bidder." -- ok so that's why media reports called her that. I'm almost 100% sure she'll now go into a rant about "slut-shaming".
Excerpt:
But despite her claims to have abandoned the auction to concentrate on her schooling, Mail Online can reveal that Hanna hardly received any genuine offers for her virginity.
In fact the, 'winning' bidder refused to go through any kind of vetting process and completely disappeared after he pledged to come up with the cash.
A source close to Hanna said: 'This auction didn't work, plain and simple. Hanna had to face the fact that maybe her virginity wasn't worth as much as she thought it was.'
Mail Online can also reveal furious professors at her college, the University of Washington, found out about the auction and hauled her in to explain herself. They have agreed to allow her to take crucial qualifying exams next Friday, but she will have to go in for talks next month. At that point they will let her know what disciplinary action she will face for sullying the name of the prestigious university. They have already told her that her ‘immoral’ behavior has put her future career in the medical profession in serious jeopardy.
'She's a really quiet, shy girl and this seems so out of character.'
And after examining Hanna’s personality it seems she had been living a double live. Her fellow students knew her as a shy, studious pupil and the rest of the world knew her alter-ego, the opinionated and provocative Virgin *****, Elizabeth Raine.
I like watching a good internet forum free-for-all as much as the next guy, but this has turned into something akin to 3rd overtime between the two worst teams in the WNBA.
I think it's time to just call this one.
She's in the MD/PhD program.She doesn't sound like she's in the MD program.
She's not. She's in the MD/PhD program.She doesn't sound like she's in the MD program.
master debator. hehehe. and 'people'. your passive aggression is cute.
I agree. This should be taken to the den. And you should show us how it's done, Cap'n.
Yeah it's called a play on words. Try to figure out what I meant, it's not hard.
Brilliant post. Now muster up some pics of the gal who'll probably have her own TV series. What a publicity stunt. You're kidding yourselves if you doubt she didn't engineer this charade.
She might have to after this fiasco.Day-um....
Too bad she wasn't doing a PhD in Women's Studies. Would've been great dissertation research.
Or you can be like an MD/PhD I know who did a few low-budget porn flicks in undergrad and mention the occupation on the AMCAS app as something more benign (e.g., rather than "adult film actor", try "entertainer"). He had to mention them because he got taxed on his income.