Med School Student Elizabeth Raine 'Auctioning' Her Virginity

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[mulberry]

Tell that to the hypocritical feminists who believe that porn is somehow "degrading" to women or women who say they don't fart.

+1 to the women that watch porn with their boyfriends/husbands.

 

[touchpause13]

I don't think the majority of women are anywhere near as turned on by porn or as sexually motivated as males. I say that from a very neutral standpoint. Studies show a huge number of women can't even get themselves to an orgasm until age 30.

I think it depends on the person. I have a super high sex drive so

Also your last sentence makes me super sad

 

[DermViser]

You have no idea how many arguments I've had with other feminists about the nature of pornography. I wrote my women studies capstone on how Catherine Mackinnon is full of shet and that we need to be supporting feminists within the industry to help create more female friendly porn. That shaming women's sexual behavior is ****** up regardless of who it comes from.

/rant

Yes, ironically by claiming that women participating in porn is degrading (and thus implying that men participating in porn is not degrading), feminists don't realize they're sl**-shaming women - something they readily accuse men of doing.

 

[mulberry]

I don't think the majority of women are anywhere near as turned on by porn or as sexually motivated as males. I say that from a very neutral standpoint. Studies show a huge number of women can't even get themselves to an orgasm until age 30.

Good lord I feel bad for these women. Either they haven't discovered "the spot" or their partner is horrible in bed.

 

[touchpause13]

Yes, ironically by claiming that women participating in porn is degrading (and thus implying that men participating in porn is not degrading), feminists don't realize they're sl**-shaming women - something they readily accuse men of doing.

To be fair, that's a specific subset of feminism and is hardly representive of most views. It's a fringe belief.

 

[touchpause13]

Good lord I feel bad for these women. Either they haven't discovered "the spot" or their partner is horrible in bed.

Like is it really that hard to masturbate though? I don't get it. Do these women not have shower heads in their homes? Or hands? Or money to purchase toys?

 

[Nasrudin]

I don't think the majority of women are anywhere near as turned on by porn or as sexually motivated as males. I say that from a very neutral standpoint. Studies show a huge number of women can't even get themselves to an orgasm until age 30.

Makes sense. In the small hunter gatherer bands we inhabited for most of our history, a fertile womb is a less renewable resource than a shot of sperm. One requires selectivity the other opportunity.

Looks-good-get-it-up-shoot physiology is perfectly exploited by porn.

I hadn't noticed that many females loving porn either. But I certainly haven't seen data either.

 

[DermViser]

I don't think the majority of women are anywhere near as turned on by porn or as sexually motivated as males. I say that from a very neutral standpoint. Studies show a huge number of women can't even get themselves to an orgasm until age 30.

That's bc women are made to feel and taught from a young age that sexuality and expression of sexuality is BAD. So if sexuality = BAD, then orgasm = BAD. Contrast that with men, whose pronator teres becomes quite developed.

 

[TheWeeIceMan]

One step at a time, my friend. First I gotta go ham on the books and get a stable footing in med school classes, then get back into going ham at the gym, then I'll start going ham on the bishes.

If I'm barely passing med school classes, it won't help my life to take hours out of my day to approach random women and getting rejected by the vast majority.

Rejection by the "vast majority" still means that at least one wasn't a rejection. It only takes one...

 

[Nasrudin]

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This slobbery bear getting busted by Chris Hansen is f'n hilarious.

 

[Anastomoses]

touchpause. You know I disagree with you quite a bit on this topic. I don't think I'm slut-shaming when I say that women depicting themselves as pliable sex toys is damaging to the image of women. We have not yet reached equality. Simple conversations with college boys or even men will give you some insight into what is being perpetuated in the culture by the sexual objectification in porn or at Hooters.

It sounds like you're in the Camille Paglia camp; I'm with Naomi Wolf that most sexualization of women is not "women owning their sexuality or their own desires". If a woman is a sexual masochist and enjoys submission, I 100% encourage her to get on with it. But the current standard actually promotes something much different and I guess we'll agree to disagree on what is being represented about women in porn or in the media as a whole. I was flipping through a Cosmo today at an office I was in and was fairly disgusted by those images. As women, we're affected and that's even being women. Imagine what those signals send out to males, half of which don't even find women relatable as a group...and often see us as an "other" or as "walking sex".

 

[DermViser]

Like is it really that hard to masturbate though? I don't get it. Do these women not have shower heads in their homes? Or hands? Or money to purchase toys?

Showerheads?!!? I had no idea : http://www.askmen.com/dating/vanessa/36b_love_secrets.html

 

[DermViser]

touchpause. You know I disagree with you quite a bit on this topic. I don't think I'm slut-shaming when I say that women depicting themselves as pliable sex toys is damaging to the image of women. We have not yet reached equality. Simple conversations with college boys or even men will give you some insight into what is being perpetuated in the culture by the sexual objectification in porn or at Hooters.

Yes, I can't see how one can be slut-shaming, when you refer to the woman as being depicted as "pliable sex toys" (I don't know what porn you're watching, but that's usually not the case).

 

[deleted500612]

Well look. The dude in the green shorts is a beautiful man. I'm not hatin. But the question posed by the dame anastomoses was what is our understanding of balanced male physique? Personally I would rather be supremely functional and happen to look pretty good than look really good and be semi-functional and in fact impaired both in health and ability by excess non-functional muscle mass.

I don't see functional strength as separate from physique. It just looks different than a useless model of physique.

Hmm, but by definition strength and physique are two different things. Physique is purely aesthetic appearance and does not speak to strength. You could have functional strength without having what would be considered an attractive physique, and you could have an attractive physique without having functional strength. I am also curious as to how you would define "non-functional" vs "functional" muscle mass.

 

[DermViser]

I almost clicked like for the pronator teres reference.

I'm sure there is some slight effect here but...I know of many cases in which girls are shamed but can't overcome their own sexual urges. Isn't it just a fact that men are more sexually motivated on the some spectrum, with some fair overlap in the middle?

If you slut-shamed a man from childhood onwards, it would be the same way for him. It would also drive him bananas, not being able to release, unlike women, who are able to hold back from sexual gratification for much longer periods than men can.

 

[Nasrudin]

touchpause. You know I disagree with you quite a bit on this topic. I don't think I'm slut-shaming when I say that women depicting themselves as pliable sex toys is damaging to the image of women. We have not yet reached equality. Simple conversations with college boys or even men will give you some insight into what is being perpetuated in the culture by the sexual objectification in porn or at Hooters.

It sounds like you're in the Camille Paglia camp; I'm with Naomi Wolf that most sexualization of women is not "women owning their sexuality or their own desires". If a woman is a sexual masochist and enjoys submission, I 100% encourage her to get on with it. But the current standard actually promotes something much different and I guess we'll agree to disagree on what is being represented about women in porn or in the media as a whole. I was flipping through a Cosmo today at an office I was in and was fairly disgusted by those images. As women, we're affected and that's even being women. Imagine what those signals send out to males, half of which don't even find women relatable as a group...and often see us as an "other" or as "walking sex".

There's a lot of convoluted nonsense there that clearly comes right out of university liberal arts inanity. People who have to earn useless phd's have to come up with that kind of crap to keep the whole merry-go-round spinning.

The problem with it is obvious. Who is the curator of acceptable female sexual expression? These magazines...they're run by women. And yes, above all else, we are alien to each other. And it's not just sexual. Look at little boys and girls. They're different creatures. Testosterone changes the brain.

Equal rights does not make us the same. I think this is the real issue I have with your type of feminism that lurks in between all these other ideas.

 

[deleted500612]

This topic actually fascinates me. Do you really think faces are more important to most people? I'm not so sure. I often feel I'm in the minority in my value of great faces. I'm just throwing this out there for further feedback, but my experience suggests that with both genders, they'll take a fantastic body and average face over an exquisite face and average body. What do you think?

I would definitely place more importance on body than face. I think having a fit/attractive body speaks more to the character of the person, since being in shape takes into account factors like healthy eating and exercise, which shows the person cares about their health and has a certain level of dedication which is admirable. Having an attractive face comes down to... well, luck.

 

[touchpause13]

touchpause. You know I disagree with you quite a bit on this topic. I don't think I'm slut-shaming when I say that women depicting themselves as pliable sex toys is damaging to the image of women. We have not yet reached equality. Simple conversations with college boys or even men will give you some insight into what is being perpetuated in the culture by the sexual objectification in porn or at Hooters.

It sounds like you're in the Camille Paglia camp; I'm with Naomi Wolf that most sexualization of women is not "women owning their sexuality or their own desires". If a woman is a sexual masochist and enjoys submission, I 100% encourage her to get on with it. But the current standard actually promotes something much different and I guess we'll agree to disagree on what is being represented about women in porn or in the media as a whole. I was flipping through a Cosmo today at an office I was in and was fairly disgusted by those images. As women, we're affected and that's even being women. Imagine what those signals send out to males, half of which don't even find women relatable as a group...and often see us as an "other" or as "walking sex".

Not a fan of Camille or Naomi. My biggest influence in this department has been Tristan Tauromino. I agree that most porn is ****. A lot of it is truly disgusting stuff (especially the interracial stuff typically) it's aimed towards those college aged men, who for the most part, aren't very enlightened.

My thoughts are that it is important to try and make porn better. I think that it has gotten this bad because of how it is viewed in a light of shame. I don't think porn has to be racist and misogynistic. I think a lot of mainstream stuff is, but I think that there are a lot of awesome feminists working to change that. I realize this is a very privileged fight, but I think we deserve to have outlets to express our sexuality that are empowering and not degrading.

Also fuq cosmo. God I hate them so much. The messages they put out are severely backwards and misogynistic. And I agree women are often viewed as the other or simply as sexual objects.

 

[Anastomoses]

There's a lot of convoluted nonsense there that clearly comes right out of university liberal arts inanity. People who have to earn useless phd's have to come with that kind of crap to keep the whole merry-go-round spinning.

The problem with it is obvious. Who is the curator of acceptable female sexual expression? These magazines...they're run by women. And yes, above all else, we are alien to each other. And it's not just sexual. Look at little boys and girls. They're different creatures. Testosterone changes the brain.

Equal rights does not make us the same. I think this is the real issue I have with your type of feminism that lurks in between all these other ideas.

And the problem I have is that I've lived it...and this doesn't suit me one bit. The women who write about how much it abuses our psyche do represent a real female population. Little boys and girls before the age of 5 are actually not all that different. Behavioral changes begin at that point. And I think people who try to increase the natural differences between men and women to an obscene extent are the culprits of serious problems we incur later.

 

[deleted500612]

Living where I do, with its plethora of plastic surgeons, I definitely see a lot of women with fabulous bodies but their faces are not what I would consider pretty or beautiful.

I feel like plastic surgery would be able to correct an unaesthetic face more easily than an unfit body? (as evidenced by the plastic surgery thread that was up a few weeks ago). Doing a little liposuction does not = attractive body, in my opinion at least.

 

[Anastomoses]

I would definitely place more importance on body than face. I think having a fit/attractive body speaks more to the character of the person, since being in shape takes into account factors like healthy eating and exercise, which shows the person cares about their health and has a certain level of dedication which is admirable. Having an attractive face comes down to... well, luck.

Sure, if you're reading into the character and it gives you something that's great. I asked my cousin and his take was same as yours - not because of her character but because the return he gets on a good face is limited while the return he gets from a curvy perfect figure is quite high. I can appreciate the difference. I get an unusually high return on a fantastic face (which sucks because aging is much more stark on a face than on a body); whereas the return I get from a guy who is a perfect 10 body is limited. I know girls who need very tall guys in order to feel satisfied...whereas the return I get on extraordinary height is minimal. We're all so different!

 

[Nasrudin]

And the problem I have is that I've lived it...and this doesn't suit me one bit. The women who write about how much it abuses our psyche do represent a real female population. Little boys and girls before the age of 5 are actually not all that different. Behavioral changes begin at that point. And I think people who try to increase the natural differences between men and women to an obscene extent are the culprits of serious problems we incur later.

Complete nonsense. The brain is irrevocably altered by hormone differences in utero. It's the people who try to make the sexes the same that do the most damage. You cannot redesign nature to suit the useless theories of those classes.

 

[touchpause13]

And the problem I have is that I've lived it...and this doesn't suit me one bit. The women who write about how much it abuses our psyche do represent a real female population. Little boys and girls before the age of 5 are actually not all that different. Behavioral changes begin at that point. And I think people who try to increase the natural differences between men and women to an obscene extent are the culprits of serious problems we incur later.

Yup. I don't fall into the biological determinism camp either. I wouldn't say that men and women are exactly the same. There are certainly differences aside from genitalia, but at the end of the day we are just people. I'd say that men and women are more alike than different fundamentally, however there is a lot of cultural stuff that really separates us.

 

[Nasrudin]

Yup. I don't fall into the biological determinism camp either. I wouldn't say that men and women are exactly the same. There are certainly differences aside from genitalia, but at the end of the day we are just people. I'd say that men and women are more alike than different fundamentally, however there is a lot of cultural stuff that really separates us.

You're smoking some good stuff. Separate male and female cultures are perfectly healthy. You guys are parodied to perfection in Portlandia. If you don't think it's funny...well...there you go.

 

[Nasrudin]

You're way oversimplifying.

You can convince yourself that it's nonsense and you can convince yourself that I read my "theories" in books before I already felt them glaring at me at a young age. I will give you that there are definitely women out there who would kill to play out the 1950's household and wish feminism never came to be. Yet, I find it very abusive, the current construct of society today and as I said before to you, I find it more sinister than religion and found it more difficult to dissociate from what we're trained to be as little girls. That's a very personal testimony. But you keep on believing what you like.

You're blowing past subtlety like an idealogue. I'm a feminist. Was raised up by strong working women. And support equal rights for women. But I'm thinking of how you might raise your son and I shudder. Women and men couldn't be more different. Men need to be taught how to be men. In accordance with their innate nature.

 

[Anastomoses]

Your blowing past subtlety like an idealogue. I'm a feminist. Was raised up by strong working women. And support equal rights for women. But I'm thinking of how might raise you're son and I shudder. Women and men couldn't be more different. Men need to be taught how to be men. In accordance with their innate nature.

Nah, I'd teach my son or my daughter both to win. Simple.

 

[Nasrudin]

Separate male and female cultures? Yikes. You're basically trying to force many of us into boxes...again, this is a spectrum. I have so many masculine tendencies that you wouldn't believe.

In high school and college professors would regularly praise me for being able to "write from a male viewpoint so well"...except I wasn't. I was writing from my viewpoint and making the characters male because I just couldn't relate female characters to any poignant or analytical thinking processes. I just hadn't seen it in movies or literature so making the characters female gave me the feeling that it wasn't realistic. And no, it wasn't the "theories" that made it so. It was my tendencies that got me so frustrated that I began seeking out why all the others weren't doing anything about this nonsense. Turns out there are massive numbers of us...and these so-called masculine tendencies aren't even masculine at all. Your mentality is frightening to me. It threatens me in the same way that religion does.

So you're a masculine female. Work it out amongst your peers. Check out the research on how girls at all girl schools perform better academically or how the feminization of education might be responsible for the alarming disparities in educational attainment between boys and girls.

There's not enough LSD in the world for you to know what's its like to be a man. Nor me in your case. And I'm very sensitive and gentle...so what?

I'm not advocating for the erasure of individualism, quite the opposite.

 

[boogaloo]

Your blowing past subtlety like an idealogue. I'm a feminist. Was raised up by strong working women. And support equal rights for women. But I'm thinking of how might raise you're son and I shudder. Women and men couldn't be more different. Men need to be taught how to be men. In accordance with their innate nature.

How do you mix up "your" and "you're" so effortlessly? Do you think homosexual men should be taught how to be homosexual men too?

 

[Nasrudin]

Nah, I'd teach my son or my daughter both to win. Simple.

They will have very different sorts of needs at different ages. They are different beings.

I think I overestimated you. You're still young enough to be self-confident about all that crap in your head.

 

[Nasrudin]

How do you mix up "your" and "you're" so effortlessly? Do you think homosexual men should be taught how to be homosexual men too?

Sorry. An embarrassing glitch in my software.

Yes. If they're ready for that. When it's time for birds and bees.

 

[Brain Bucket]

How do you mix up "your" and "you're" so effortlessly? Do you think homosexual men should be taught how to be homosexual men too?

Yes. What that means is that they should be permitted an environment in which they can thrive without having their perfectly natural instincts punished.

Open your eyes.

http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/ar...not-being-able-to-sit-still-at-school/276976/

I don't agree with the entirety of the article, but I do believe in its spirit.

 

[Anastomoses]

Yes. What that means is that they should be permitted an environment in which they can thrive without having their perfectly natural instincts punished.

Open your eyes.

http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/ar...not-being-able-to-sit-still-at-school/276976/

I don't agree with the entirety of the article, but I do believe in its spirit.

I'm already familiar with the hilarious Christina Hoff Sommers feminism that seems to focus on boys getting their needs met and pretending girls have already achieved equality merely because girls are performing better in school. Go figure that a group that is slightly more inclined to sit still would do better.

Nasrudin, I'm in full support of all-boys and all-girls schools. Would make it all the more exciting when you get to meet one another later

 

[Brain Bucket]

I'm already familiar with the hilarious Christina Hoff Sommers feminism that seems to focus on boys getting their needs met and pretending girls have already achieved equality merely because girls are performing better in school. Go figure that a group that is slightly more inclined to sit still would do better.

Nasrudin, I'm in full support of all-boys and all-girls schools. Would make it all the more exciting when you get to meet one another later

Not familiar with her. Not a discussion I usually participate in. Just something that turned up when I googled the topic. Nonetheless, equality for Women isn't at issue here, nor is it being minimized, but masculinity shouldn't be sacrificed at its altar.

The difference between most men and women does exist, and we do ourselves a disservice by being dismissive of it. We should allow ourselves every opportunity to play to our strengthens and thrive. I do mean individually. That is true freedom. That is true equality.

 

[boogaloo]

Yes. What that means is that they should be permitted an environment in which they can thrive without having their perfectly natural instincts punished.

Open your eyes.

http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/ar...not-being-able-to-sit-still-at-school/276976/

I don't agree with the entirety of the article, but I do believe in its spirit.

You missed my point entirely, and the point you made is exactly the point I was making. You open your eyes.

 

[Brain Bucket]

You missed my point entirely, and the point you made is exactly the point I was making. You open your eyes.

I just saw you being a grammar nazi and made assumptions.

 

[SouthernSurgeon]

Yes. What that means is that they should be permitted an environment in which they can thrive without having their perfectly natural instincts punished.

Open your eyes.

http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/ar...not-being-able-to-sit-still-at-school/276976/

I don't agree with the entirety of the article, but I do believe in its spirit.

I realize this only tangentially relates to the discussion, but a lot of that article resonated with me as well.

I was one of those exceptionally hyper unable to sit still boys in elementary school. But thank God I ended up with a couple of teachers who knew how to channel that energy with me and others into learning. No one told my parents I might have ADD, no one punished me. I was given a totally separate reading curriculum one year because I burned through the whole books the class was assigned in the time it took to read a chapter out loud in class. There were myriad other creative ways they figured out how to engage me and get me to focus.

Come middle school and high school that energy settled down, and I was one of the best students in school. I doubt I'd have the same opportunities and attention in a public school today (amazing to think, but 20 years have passed since I was in elementary school)

 

[deleted480308]

I realize this only tangentially relates to the discussion, but a lot of that article resonated with me as well.

I was one of those exceptionally hyper unable to sit still boys in elementary school. But thank God I ended up with a couple of teachers who knew how to channel that energy with me and others into learning. No one told my parents I might have ADD, no one punished me. I was given a totally separate reading curriculum one year because I burned through the whole books the class was assigned in the time it took to read a chapter out loud in class. There were myriad other creative ways they figured out how to engage me and get me to focus.

Come middle school and high school that energy settled down, and I was one of the best students in school. I doubt I'd have the same opportunities and attention in a public school today (amazing to think, but 20 years have passed since I was in elementary school)

same here, I was done with my math curriculum in 1/3 of the time the other kids were in elementary and most of the other subjects as well. My teacher just let me finish early and go sit in the back and work on dinosaur models and reports on anything I found interesting as long as I was learning. otherwise, I probably would have been expelled for misbehaving due to boredom (but that was 25years ago)

 

[Arkangeloid]

I used to have, and still have, issues with what I thought was ADD, so I went to see a psychiatrist. He diagnosed me with GAD instead, and put me on SSRIs instead. They made a huge difference, and my brain is a lot more quiet and peaceful now, letting me get more work done.

Of course, I did find out that amphetamine and methylphenidate will exacerbate my anxiety symptoms, so they are contraindicated. That's unfortunate, because I bet the entire med school class is using those things, and I can't even the playing field now.

 

[touchpause13]

I used to have, and still have, issues with what I thought was ADD, so I went to see a psychiatrist. He diagnosed me with GAD instead, and put me on SSRIs instead. They made a huge difference, and my brain is a lot more quiet and peaceful now, letting me get more work done.

Of course, I did find out that amphetamine and methylphenidate will exacerbate my anxiety symptoms, so they are contraindicated. That's unfortunate, because I bet the entire med school class is using those things, and I can't even the playing field now.

Just focus on you man. Don't worry about other people

 

[Arkangeloid]

Just focus on you man. Don't worry about other people

Yeah, I try.

While we're on the subject, that was one of the things that got me interested in Psychiatry. If simple SSRIs could improve my quality of life that much, there must be something to them. I would like to help other people in the same way.

 

[touchpause13]

Yeah, I try.

While we're on the subject, that was one of the things that got me interested in Psychiatry. If simple SSRIs could improve my quality of life that much, there must be something to them. I would like to help other people in the same way.

Baller. I'm going to med school to be a psychiatrist.

I'm glad that meds helped

 

[Cytarabine]

I used to have, and still have, issues with what I thought was ADD, so I went to see a psychiatrist. He diagnosed me with GAD instead, and put me on SSRIs instead. They made a huge difference, and my brain is a lot more quiet and peaceful now, letting me get more work done.

Of course, I did find out that amphetamine and methylphenidate will exacerbate my anxiety symptoms, so they are contraindicated. That's unfortunate, because I bet the entire med school class is using those things, and I can't even the playing field now.

Sounds like you got set up with a good psychiatrist, glad things are going well

 

[tco]

So, what ended up happening with this nonsense?

BTW, did you see the terms of the contract?

6.2. The Successful Bidder shall not:-

6.2.1. Be under the influence of alcohol or of any drugs during the Meeting;

6.2.2. Penetrate the anus of the Virgin;

6.2.3. Treat the Virgin violently.

I'M OUT!

 

[touchpause13]

So, what ended up happening with this nonsense?

BTW, did you see the terms of the contract?



I'M OUT!

Oh yall are nasty

 

[Arkangeloid]

Oh yall are nasty

Me? Nasty? Haha, quite likely!

 

[DermViser]

Yeah, I try.

While we're on the subject, that was one of the things that got me interested in Psychiatry. If simple SSRIs could improve my quality of life that much, there must be something to them. I would like to help other people in the same way.

Yes, Psychiatry is an amazing field. SSRIs are a good foundation for stabilization, but that ALONG WITH psychotherapy helps wonders for people.

 

[tco]

Oh yall are nasty

You're a girl, right? Every guy that has ever been with you has wanted to put it in your patootie. If they say they don't, they're lying.

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[Cytarabine]

But I poop from there

 

[Nasrudin]

You're a girl, right? Every guy that has ever been with you has wanted to put it in your patootie. If they say they don't, they're lying.

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What?!? Not me.