ATSU/SOMA (Arizona) Discussion thread 2008-2009

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Thanks for the heads up. I'm embarrassed I got my facts missed up...easy to do from so far away.
SOMA is definitely way up there on my list. I'll keep my fingers crossed ;)

Randy Danielson is actually the dean of Arizona School of Health Sciences, which is not SOMA, its the 'sister' school at ATSU Arizona which the PA, PT, OT, AuD programs, and a few others fall under. The other two schools include SOMA and ASDOH the only dental school in AZ, also focused on serving the underserved.

I am definetely aware that you are taking the long road to get into med school, and I tip my hat to you. In fact, i am very much rooting for you to not only get accepted but to choose SOMA. You seem the kind of person this school wants. So come join us....be a part of the revolution...;)

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BUT what I can say from talking to many of the top people at SOMA is that while SOMA right now will accept people who are not primary care oriented, this is something that will eventually change. One of the main goals of SOMA is to put Primary care physicians into Community health centers. Surgeons, and other sub specialists outside Primary care do not practice in CHCs, no matter how much they care for the underserved. In fact, this past Spring, one of the Medical directors for one of the bigger CHCs came to SOMA and was asked a question about doing a surgical residency at a CHC, and he blasted the student, pretty much telling them "If you want to do surgery, you should NOT be at this program. I dont want to waste my time and money training someone, who wont even stay at the CHC." (paraphrased as best I can remember, since I was sitting next to the student getting blasted). One of the "theoretical possibilities" I have heard about to keep students in Primary care at SOMA, is a future contract--something to the extent where the student signs a specific period of time with CHCs contingent with acceptance to the program--this would include school, residency, and work. My comment to this was that the school would then need to either drop tuition costs, or have some sort of payback option also set up with this type of contract, which are all also being discussed.

Anyways how it pans out in the future is still up in the air but I stand by my earlier statement: One of the main goals of SOMA is to put Primary care physicians into Community health centers So if you already KNOW you dont want to get into primary care, you seriously should consider a different school. Or to again paraphrase the above mentioned medical director, "you can become a surgeon at ANY OTHER medical school, this school is different..."

In order to repay the debt we will incur at SOMA in 10 yrs we will have to have an annual salary between $300,000-$400,000, depending on whether we take out anything for living expenses. That's double to triple a PCPs salary. Extending it to 20 yrs just barely brings it down to the PCPs salary ceiling. They're really putting us in an imposible situation. It's a national problem, but if the CHC's really want people that badly, they'll have to get the government to subsidize our training.

I remember hearing about that incident between the student and CHC rep. The real problem is that students don't have a ton of control over which medical school they attend. Plenty of people only get into one or two places and have to make it work. Restricting their choices to 4 specialties isn't really fair, IMHO. I'm sure the adcom does their best to pick students whose attitudes are in line with the schools mission, as I'm sure the majority are, but I don't think they should punish the few that feel otherwise. Not to mention this puts people in a position where they have to decide their specialty before entering medical school and common wisdom is that pre-meds have little basis on which to pick specialties and will likely change their mind a million times throughout their education.
 
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I'm with you on this one GreenShirt. I really like the idea of SOMA and the possibility of being closer to my family but if I got in to a SC school at 2/3 the cost it would be very hard to make a case for moving.
Will be interesting to see what school admin says about the financial issue....

In order to repay the debt we will incur at SOMA in 10 yrs we will have to have an annual salary between $300,000-$400,000, depending on whether we take out anything for living expenses. That's double to triple a PCPs salary. Extending it to 20 yrs just barely brings it down to the PCPs salary ceiling. They're really putting us in an imposible situation. It's a national problem, but if the CHC's really want people that badly, they'll have to get the government to subsidize our training.

I remember hearing about that incident between the student and CHC rep. The real problem is that students don't have a ton of control over which medical school they attend. Plenty of people only get into one or two places and have to make it work. Restricting their choices to 4 specialties isn't really fair, IMHO. I'm sure the adcom does their best to pick students whose attitudes are in line with the schools mission, as I'm sure the majority are, but I don't think they should punish the few that feel otherwise. Not to mention this puts people in a position where they have to decide their specialty before entering medical school and common wisdom is that pre-meds have little basis on which to pick specialties and will likely change their mind a million times throughout their education.
 
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So you and I must have different sources EastWest. We had one of the dean meetings last week and the dean was concerned that a lot of people were under the impression that SOMA is only accepting/training primary care physicians. His exact words were, "That is simply not true." He made it pretty clear that a medical school really cannot determine what people will eventually choose as a specialty. After the meeting he said that they are going to do some work on the web site to make this a little more clear. Now, don’t get me wrong, I think SOMA will encourage students to pursue primary care but I don’t think that is anything unique. I think most schools are trying to convince people to go into that field because there is a huge need.

I have to admit that you have a lot more experience than I do with the school but my impression so far is that they really are looking for people to serve the underserved. I know in the work that I have done that help is needed in every specialty, from psychiatry to neurology to geriatrics. Where did you hear about the contract students would have to sign, and were there any other outburst against people looking to pursue specialties?
 
While one side of me wants all my fellow classmates, present and future, to truly be focused on getting into primary care I completely understand the dilemma of getting into a significant amount of medical school debt and then being told you can only practice in one of the lower paying specialties. The only way this would work is, as Greenshirt mentioned, the training gets seriously subsidized or tuition drops really lower. So all of these issues are being weighed into how SOMA develops which will be years in the making. Fluid, the idea of the contract has been brought up as a possible model ie. "theoretical"--this is something you wont hear publically, you need to get more one on one time with the deans and faculty. They are very interested in hearing what we students have to say, and the input we have and will share their insights..
 
I just wanted to say that I made up my mind a while ago to be a pediatrician. I also plan on working for Virginia Garcia, a CHC in Oregon. I am on board with the whole priamary care CHC mission.
 
So you and I must have different sources EastWest. We had one of the dean meetings last week and the dean was concerned that a lot of people were under the impression that SOMA is only accepting/training primary care physicians. His exact words were, "That is simply not true." He made it pretty clear that a medical school really cannot determine what people will eventually choose as a specialty. After the meeting he said that they are going to do some work on the web site to make this a little more clear. Now, don’t get me wrong, I think SOMA will encourage students to pursue primary care but I don’t think that is anything unique. I think most schools are trying to convince people to go into that field because there is a huge need.

I have to admit that you have a lot more experience than I do with the school but my impression so far is that they really are looking for people to serve the underserved. I know in the work that I have done that help is needed in every specialty, from psychiatry to neurology to geriatrics. Where did you hear about the contract students would have to sign, and were there any other outburst against people looking to pursue specialties?

The school is founded on the dreams of a group of people looking to make a difference in the world of medical education. However, some of the players have dreams that may differ a little. The Dean is a specialist (a nephrologist and darn proud of it!), himself, and therefore not against specialties. He's also pragmatic and realizes there's no way to make all students become PCPs and that it's not a good idea to do so anyway. He is very well researched and vested in the issue of providing the best medical education system possible. You can see how the CHCs, on the other hand, have a vested interest in seeing as many of their graduates come back to work for them as PCPs (hence the outburst from one CHC rep you hear about). Beyond these players there's also many higher-ups who are interested in solving the PCP shortage issue and the idea of contracts and subsidization. Although at this point, all this is just ideas about the direction the school should take. Nothing is mandatory!

Part of the excitement of coming to this school is to have a part in influencing these ideas and thinking about how feasible the implementation of these ideas could be. The administration may have the dreams, but we students experience the reality and the best source for them on how their ideas play out in reality. I guess prospective students can either see this as an adventure or a pain in the neck depending on their personal experience.
 
What is the average gpa and mcat of those accepted here? Thanks!
 
Fluid...PM me if you want the inside scoop on Virginia Garcia...my dear friend and former supervising physician just left the McMinnville site a few months ago after about a 3-year gig.
Lisa

I just wanted to say that I made up my mind a while ago to be a pediatrician. I also plan on working for Virginia Garcia, a CHC in Oregon. I am on board with the whole priamary care CHC mission.
 
I don't think there is an average GPA or MCAT at this school. I could probably find a mean or a median score but the standard deviations would be huge.

There are people here from all over the map. The school takes a very broad look at the students. I talked with the Dean of Admissions and she said that they are looking for a different kind of student so they are not real concerned about scores. There is a minimum cut off, but if you are confident enough to apply then I am sure you meet that cut off.

The school wants to see people with pretty amazing life experiences. The student body is pretty diverse and it is amazing to hear everyone's stories. This class has an ex lawyer, a practicing dentist, a naturopath, youth councilors, and just today I talked with a girl that lived in poverty so she could devote all of her time to volunteer work.

I don't know if that helps much, but there it is for you. Nobody here talks about their high scores or science GPA's, they mostly talk about their time on the Indian Reservations or medical missions in South America. That is what you are really competing with.
 
Yeah, I can imagine that the numbers are all over the place. An AO confessed last year that the number one thing they look for is clinical experience. After that they take a look at the numbers to make sure that you are capable of passing boards.
 
Thanks a lot. That's what I like to hear, and what I agree with.
I am working with a 23q MCAT and 3.8c/3.8s GPA with all other parts of my application extremely solid, so I just wanted to see if my test score was going to eliminate me. I would love to go to this school, so thank you for the good news! :D
 
Anyone have any idea when they will begin sending out interviews?
 
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Well, hopefully that will work in my favor ;)

Yeah, I can imagine that the numbers are all over the place. An AO confessed last year that the number one thing they look for is clinical experience. After that they take a look at the numbers to make sure that you are capable of passing boards.
 
in the secondary:
"List verifiable volunteer clinic/health experience (for example at a community health center, IHS clinic, physician’s office, hospital, or something similar). Community health center and IHS experience must be verified by letter from the center."

Do we have to get verification letters? They don't say that these letters are necessary to be complete, so I'm a bit confused as to when this needs to happen.

Thanks!
 
Looks like a challenge, doesn't it?

I went ahead and emailed the HR person at the tribal clinic where I did my family med/peds rotation 9 years ago to see if this could be done. Unfortunately both my precepting PA and MD have long moved on (par for the course in CHCs/IHS facilities). I doubt that anybody in HR there will remember me and I'm 3000 miles away now. If worse comes to worse I'll request verification from my PA program of the time I spent there, and I think the program should be obligated to provide that to me for $45k of tuition or so. I'm not sure how this would work for someone who couldn't provide any verification though.

Hmmm.....can any of the current students comment on this one??

thanks

LIsa

in the secondary:
"List verifiable volunteer clinic/health experience (for example at a community health center, IHS clinic, physician’s office, hospital, or something similar). Community health center and IHS experience must be verified by letter from the center."

Do we have to get verification letters? They don't say that these letters are necessary to be complete, so I'm a bit confused as to when this needs to happen.

Thanks!
 
I don't remember giving letters to verify everything. I remember having to provide phone numbers and addresses of references so they can call to verify everything. It has been a while though and I filled out a lot of applications and things might be different now.
 
So Primadonna, in my experience HR departments are really good at keeping records. You probably had to go through an orientation and sign some papers and I wouldn't be surprised if the HR department in a government agency held on to that for several decades.

I am willing to bet, however, that 3000 hours at the beginning of your nine year career of clinical experience is icing on the cake. It is like the difference between a large and supersized drink from McDonalds, they are both bigger then the drinks most places give you. I don't know if that makes sense I guess I am just trying to say I don't think you have anything to worry about when it comes to a solid application. Hope that helps.
 
Well thanks Fluidsmash, I appreciate that vote of confidence. ;)

Not sure where you got the "3000" hours though, although I did mention being 3000 miles away... but I was adding up hours the other day in my head and I'm somewhere around 20,000 hours in this biz at the ripe old age of 34. Most of that is paid though. Working so much the past several years I haven't had a lot of time for volunteer activities. There's a little bit there but that's not the strong part of my application.

I wish AACOMAS would hurry up and verify me so I could feel like this was moving somewhere! I've been in limbo for a month....

So Primadonna, in my experience HR departments are really good at keeping records. You probably had to go through an orientation and sign some papers and I wouldn't be surprised if the HR department in a government agency held on to that for several decades.

I am willing to bet, however, that 3000 hours at the beginning of your nine year career of clinical experience is icing on the cake. It is like the difference between a large and supersized drink from McDonalds, they are both bigger then the drinks most places give you. I don't know if that makes sense I guess I am just trying to say I don't think you have anything to worry about when it comes to a solid application. Hope that helps.
 
Yeah I am not real sure where the 3000 came from either sorry about that.

Also I forgot to mention something for thriftnuh. The reason they want the letter from the CHC or IHC is so you can be what is called a "Hometown Applicant." A hometown applicant is somebody that has worked in a Federally Qualified Community Health Center (FQCHC) or an Indian Health Center and has a good chance of going back and working for the organization again someday. They want the letter from those two organizations specifically to see if you really do qualify for the hometown applicant thing. Being a hometown applicant gives a pretty big boost to your application from the way I understand it.

By the way a FQCHC is a very specific type of health center. "Community Health Center" sounds pretty broad and general but the school is really talking about a Federally Qualified Community Health Center. To learn more about what they are check out this website.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FQHC

PS
Don't judge me for using Wikipedia as a source, I usually don't
 
Yeah I am not real sure where the 3000 came from either sorry about that.

Also I forgot to mention something for thriftnuh. The reason they want the letter from the CHC or IHC is so you can be what is called a "Hometown Applicant." A hometown applicant is somebody that has worked in a Federally Qualified Community Health Center (FQCHC) or an Indian Health Center and has a good chance of going back and working for the organization again someday. They want the letter from those two organizations specifically to see if you really do qualify for the hometown applicant thing. Being a hometown applicant gives a pretty big boost to your application from the way I understand it.

By the way a FQCHC is a very specific type of health center. "Community Health Center" sounds pretty broad and general but the school is really talking about a Federally Qualified Community Health Center. To learn more about what they are check out this website.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FQHC

PS
Don't judge me for using Wikipedia as a source, I usually don't


ahhhh okay that makes sense - thanks for your help!!!
 
Interesting side note about the Hometown Applicant thing. I learned enough in this tribal clinic to know I would NEVER want to go back there ;)

Plenty of other places that are run more efficiently and without the nepotism might be fine...particularly if there is good autonomy and relatively little infighting and patient care comes first.
 
Primadonna I have a few questions for you. The Indian Health Centers are kind of an interesting phenomena to me. Who staffs the health centers? Are there a lot of Native Americans that work there? Do you think that they accomplish the goal of providing quality health the the local population? Do you think the IHS's help the local economy at all? Finally, is there a lot of room for growth in those organizations? Also are any of them offended that they are call Indian Health Centers instead of Native American Health Centers?

I am interested because I feel like a lot of US government efforts towards Native Americans are usually poorly thought out and poorly executed. It seems like government has their heart in the right place but they can never seem to really help. What are your thoughts about the IHS system?
 
Hi Fluidsmash,

Check this link:
http://www.ihs.gov/PublicInfo/PublicAffairs/Welcome_Info/IHSintro.asp

I can't say with exact certainty how long the IHS has been around. It's under the guise of the DHHS but is an independent entity with rights of self-governance. What's very interesting about the IHS is its tremendous scope (at one time IHS had its own hospitals, clinics, residencies, especially geared to Native American peoples, but I'm not sure how many of those are still around). The fundamental goal was to provide comprehensive and culturally-appropriate total health care to Indian & tribal people.

My rotation in an IHS-affiliated (but tribally-run) clinic was interesting because while it benefited from IHS funding and affiliation, it was owned by the tribe (Confederated Tribes of Grand Ronde) and run by the tribe. It was Nepotism Central. It was frustrating in a lot of ways because there was a tremendous need in this very rural area to provide services but very often we ran into trouble getting things done because the tribe would get in the way. (I should be careful what I say here.) I learned from a very dedicated Alaskan-native PA who had trained with her husband in Oklahoma and spent several years on the reservation there but had moved to Oregon years later. This clinic burned out even this most dedicated Indian PA, and ultimately she, as the only Native American health care provider in the medical services of this clinic, was edged out.

Still, this is one situation in a particularly isolated locale where the tribe went from very poor to very wealthy in literally a decade. Probably a lot of these problems could be chalked up to growing pains. I don't believe that all IHS clinics are the same.

I think the mission of IHS is really noble and if someone has a love for the people (and so many of them are lovely people with a very rich heritage) it can be rewarding. Of course there are many frustrations especially domestic abuse, alcoholism/substance abuse, generational poverty, not to mention increased genetic susceptibility to diabetes and metabolic syndrome (although this depends somewhat on the tribe).

My grandmother is 1/4 Pima Indian and was born in Nogales, AZ. I look as Irish as my dad and you'd never guess I have Indian blood. My mom still looks quite ethnic although people usually think she's Mexican. I suppose by some standards we might qualify for some status (I remember many of the tribal members when I rotated there had as little as 1/32 Indian blood, but they could document it with a family tree) but we've never gone to the trouble.

OK, back to your original questions. The center I rotated at was primarily staffed by local/tribal members, but the professional staff was largely recruited (MD/DO, PA/NP, dentists, optometrists, psychologists, etc.) I think the centers definitely do what they set out to do; that is, to provide health care services to the tribal members. The center I rotated through served the local community as well and functioned very much as a "community health center", and in fact I believe had FQHC status. This clinic created jobs in health care for a community that was about 40 minutes away from the nearest hospital; if there was no clinic there, qualified people who lived in the area would have to drive 40-60 minutes to the nearest small town for work. I think there is a TREMENDOUS potential for growth in these places because there is a lot of infrastructure and steady funding; however, I also think options for non-natives are more limited because there is a great desire within the IHS to promote Native Americans to leadership positions. I can't argue with that really. And as far as "Indian" goes, I'll tell you this: all the "Native Americans" I knew at this clinic, and my PA mentor who was native herself, called themselves and other natives "Indians", so I don't think it's offensive in that sense.

Hope this helps.

Lisa

Primadonna I have a few questions for you. The Indian Health Centers are kind of an interesting phenomena to me. Who staffs the health centers? Are there a lot of Native Americans that work there? Do you think that they accomplish the goal of providing quality health the the local population? Do you think the IHS's help the local economy at all? Finally, is there a lot of room for growth in those organizations? Also are any of them offended that they are call Indian Health Centers instead of Native American Health Centers?

I am interested because I feel like a lot of US government efforts towards Native Americans are usually poorly thought out and poorly executed. It seems like government has their heart in the right place but they can never seem to really help. What are your thoughts about the IHS system?
 
In order to repay the debt we will incur at SOMA in 10 yrs we will have to have an annual salary between $300,000-$400,000, depending on whether we take out anything for living expenses. That's double to triple a PCPs salary. Extending it to 20 yrs just barely brings it down to the PCPs salary ceiling. They're really putting us in an imposible situation.

The situation you accurately described does sound impossible, but there are some extremely positive changes taking place currently.

Follow the links below to read about new laws impacting the repayment of student loans. Pay particular attention to the Public Service Loan Forgiveness option, as this applies directly to anyone pursuing a PCP career within a CHC.

http://projectonstudentdebt.org/initiative_page_view.php?initiative_idx=&initiative_page_idx=20

http://www.ibrinfo.org/what.vp.html

If everything goes as planned with the implementation of these new programs, an ATSU-SOMA student (or any interested student) could go to work for a CHC straight out of residency, never pay more than 15% of their annual income towards their loan payments (many will pay an even smaller percentage depending on family size, etc.), and just ten years after residency have the remainder of their unpaid loans completely forgiven (given that they've stayed employed at the CHC or another qualified location for those ten years).

Really sounds too good to be true! I've been following all the updates with this law closely for almost a year now, and so far so good. For someone like me who came to SOMA with the goal of becoming a PCP that will work at a CHC, this is a very sweet deal!!
 
The situation you accurately described does sound impossible, but there are some extremely positive changes taking place currently.

Follow the links below to read about new laws impacting the repayment of student loans. Pay particular attention to the Public Service Loan Forgiveness option, as this applies directly to anyone pursuing a PCP career within a CHC.

http://projectonstudentdebt.org/initiative_page_view.php?initiative_idx=&initiative_page_idx=20

http://www.ibrinfo.org/what.vp.html

If everything goes as planned with the implementation of these new programs, an ATSU-SOMA student (or any interested student) could go to work for a CHC straight out of residency, never pay more than 15% of their annual income towards their loan payments (many will pay an even smaller percentage depending on family size, etc.), and just ten years after residency have the remainder of their unpaid loans completely forgiven (given that they've stayed employed at the CHC or another qualified location for those ten years).

Really sounds too good to be true! I've been following all the updates with this law closely for almost a year now, and so far so good. For someone like me who came to SOMA with the goal of becoming a PCP that will work at a CHC, this is a very sweet deal!!

Thanks for those links!!!

I really hope those laws go through. Although, not being debt free until I'm in my 50s or 60s (w/ 25 yr option) is still kind of a glum prospect. The 10 yr CHC deal is very tempting!
 
The situation you accurately described does sound impossible, but there are some extremely positive changes taking place currently.

Follow the links below to read about new laws impacting the repayment of student loans. Pay particular attention to the Public Service Loan Forgiveness option, as this applies directly to anyone pursuing a PCP career within a CHC.

http://projectonstudentdebt.org/initiative_page_view.php?initiative_idx=&initiative_page_idx=20

http://www.ibrinfo.org/what.vp.html

If everything goes as planned with the implementation of these new programs, an ATSU-SOMA student (or any interested student) could go to work for a CHC straight out of residency, never pay more than 15% of their annual income towards their loan payments (many will pay an even smaller percentage depending on family size, etc.), and just ten years after residency have the remainder of their unpaid loans completely forgiven (given that they've stayed employed at the CHC or another qualified location for those ten years).

Really sounds too good to be true! I've been following all the updates with this law closely for almost a year now, and so far so good. For someone like me who came to SOMA with the goal of becoming a PCP that will work at a CHC, this is a very sweet deal!!

Norcal,

thanks for the info! Very nice deal. I hope everything goes through as planned. Im dedicated to PCP medicine and the CHC movement and the possibility of being debt free in 10 yrs is excellent!
 
It's been a crazy week. We just finished orientation for our CHC and will be starting classes this coming week. I just wanted to share my weekly schedule with you prospies to give you an idea of what our non-conventional 2-nd year looks like:

Monday
AM: Didactics (scheme presentations & cases)
PM: Independent Learning (IL) from podcasts and lectures posted on the internet from the main campus in Mesa

Tuesday
AM: IL
PM: OMM training

Wednesday
Clinic All day

Thursaday
Clinic All day

Friday
AM: Didactics (Mini-grand rounds, cases, etc.)
PM: MIC (we video conference with all the CHCs around the country on various issues and topics)

I can't wait to see how this all plays out (scary and exciting at the same time)! I'll keep you guys updated.
 
I am filling out the secondary currently for this school and there is an option for dual degree programs. Are these available at only the Kirksville campus? On the Arizona website I cannot find anything that suggests there are masters and PhD options for the DO students.
 
Following Greenshirts Ohio lead, here is the tentative schedule for Brooklyn:

Mon: AM: Didactic--scheme, grand rounds, small group, etc.
PM: Independent Learning (IL)
Tues: AM: IL
PM: Integratice Clinical experience (ICE)--continuity clinic(see patients for next 3 yrs.
Wed: AM: ICE- subject clinic( OB/Gyn patients for next 6 weeks, etc based on current system we are studying.
PM: IL
Thurs: AM: Didactic (like Mon morning)
PM: IL
Fri: AM: OPP
PM: Didactic, MIC

If necessary Sat, Sun are possible times for ICE as well since many of the offsite clinics are open 7 days in Brooklyn. Exciting to see how it all pans out this year. Will definetely keep updated!
 
I am filling out the secondary currently for this school and there is an option for dual degree programs. Are these available at only the Kirksville campus? On the Arizona website I cannot find anything that suggests there are masters and PhD options for the DO students.

Most of the dual masters program(ie. MPH) will be done online while you are at the SOMA campus.
 
So... even the PhD in Health Education would be finished online? I am strongly considering putting that I am interested in this program, but I don't want that to hurt my chances of getting accepted as a DO student. The DO/PhD would be a blast as I love research, but I would rather have a good shot at getting into the school as opposed to a mediocre to poor shot of being accepted to the DO/MPH or PhD programs. I will have to call them on Monday before I submit my supplemental app. and see what they can tell me about their programs and how they consider the applicants.
 
To piggyback on Limvistov's post, anyone know about the Health Education degrees? My secondary is ready to go as soon as I'm invited to send it (STILL not verified with AACOMAS, this is a real drag) and I've gone ahead and checked the M.H.Ed. option (forgive me if I don't have the terminology quite right...I sat in a conference all day and am a little rummy). Long term goal is to teach--although not necessarily in traditional academic medicine. I like the idea of being a kick-ass preceptor with extra teaching skillz....
Thanks in advance for any help on this
L.
 
just received an interview invite. sucks that i received it long after booking my flight for AZCOM. guess i'll have to make the trip to phoenix twice. :rolleyes:

good luck to you guys!

EDIT: does anyone know the percentage of applicants they interview and the percentage of interviewees accepted?
 
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congrats to everyone with interview invites! just curious, can you let us know when you submitted your secondary/file was complete?
Thanks!!
 
I was complete on August 11.

Secondary Application:
Received on 8/6/2008
Evaluation I:
Received on 8/11/2008
Evaluation II:
Received on 8/11/2008
Date Most Recent MCAT Taken:
Received on 5/1/2008
Payment:
Received on 8/6/2008
 
Hi there I am currently applying to ATSU-SOMA. I was just wondering... on the website it says that we can get a letter from an MD or DO. How particular is the school about this? I already have an MD LOR on file. I was thinking to take a week off to shadow a DO (in hopes that she will write me a letter at the end of the week). However, since I don't know her, there is no guarantees. Also, taking a week off from working on my MPH thesis will really rob me of time. So I was just wondering if it would be enough to get by on the MD letter I already have (as she's the dean of my college, and I've had her in classes and worked for her as well). If I could avoid taking a week off to shadow a DO, that would be preferred for me right now... as I am really short on time at this point.

I am just wondering if other students have got accepted with an MD letter, instead of a DO letter of recommendation?
 
IMO a recommendation from an MD who knows you well is far better than a recommendation from a DO who doesn't know you at all. One week is not nearly enough time to get to know that doctor and I think if I were in her position I would feel very weird writing a letter for someone who had shadowed me for a week...in fact I don't think I would write the letter.
I would say go with the letter you already have. OTOH, I don't know if ATSU-SOMA insists on a DO letter.
Good luck

Hi there I am currently applying to ATSU-SOMA. I was just wondering... on the website it says that we can get a letter from an MD or DO. How particular is the school about this? I already have an MD LOR on file. I was thinking to take a week off to shadow a DO (in hopes that she will write me a letter at the end of the week). However, since I don't know her, there is no guarantees. Also, taking a week off from working on my MPH thesis will really rob me of time. So I was just wondering if it would be enough to get by on the MD letter I already have (as she's the dean of my college, and I've had her in classes and worked for her as well). If I could avoid taking a week off to shadow a DO, that would be preferred for me right now... as I am really short on time at this point.

I am just wondering if other students have got accepted with an MD letter, instead of a DO letter of recommendation?
 
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SOMA has several MD' s on staff so I don't think that the school would be MD exclusive. I also think an MD that knows you well would carry more weight then a rushed DO letter.

It would be a good idea, though, to shadow a DO at some point because you are bound to be asked questions to determine your familiarity with osteopathic medicine, and why you want to be an osteopath. So make sure you have a good background somewhere in osteopathic medicine. If you want to really sound like you know what you are talking about you need to get more then read about it if you can.

If you have already done this then you should be fine.
 
Hi there I am currently applying to ATSU-SOMA. I was just wondering... on the website it says that we can get a letter from an MD or DO. How particular is the school about this? I already have an MD LOR on file. I was thinking to take a week off to shadow a DO (in hopes that she will write me a letter at the end of the week). However, since I don't know her, there is no guarantees. Also, taking a week off from working on my MPH thesis will really rob me of time. So I was just wondering if it would be enough to get by on the MD letter I already have (as she's the dean of my college, and I've had her in classes and worked for her as well). If I could avoid taking a week off to shadow a DO, that would be preferred for me right now... as I am really short on time at this point.

I am just wondering if other students have got accepted with an MD letter, instead of a DO letter of recommendation?

If the websites says it's ok....then it's ok. Every school wants indications in your application that you are interested in their program. SOMA is about "osteopathic medicine", "Physicians of need/PCPs" and "CHCs/community-based medicine". Just make sure one or more of these areas is addressed somehow in your application.
 
The hotel I chose (because I interviewed at AZCOM during the same visit to Arizona) was "[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]ExtendedStayAmerica Phoenix - Metro Center".. They were $50/night. Check-in time was 3pm and check-out time was 11am. They had cable TV (I watched a good portion of the House marathon on USA), a swimming pool and a few exercise bikes/treadmills. The most impressive part was that their amenities: full size fridge, toaster, sink, oven, microwave, and full set of utensils including plates/bowls/cups/can-opener, as well as an iron and ironing board (for clothes).
It was about 45 minutes away from ATSU-SOMA and 15 minutes away from AZCOM. The price was right and the stay was comfortable, I recommend this hotel!
(and special thanks to a fellow SDNer for recommending it to me)

I also want to mention that interviewing at ATSU-SOMA seemed to be an all day type event. We had 3 separate 30minute interviews (a group project, closed file, and file review). I also got the impression the lunch with our student ambassadors may have been part of the process too (our tables were numbered with student ambassadors already sitting at them before lunch started). In any case, the lunch was scrumptious and I really enjoyed being able to talk to current students about the school to clear up all the questions I had.
One thing I found particularly nice was that they had an OMT demo! I haven't seen that from any other school so far and I thought it was a VERY good idea to include this in the interview day schedule. I am glad that they understand a lot of students are trying to decide between MD and DO schools--this presentation, along with student's remarks during the day, really helped me to make me more informed for when I have to make that decision in the future. So I respect them that much more for doing that.
Overall, I thought they were very organized and I really liked all the people in my interview group, it seems like they will get a nice bunch of students for next year's class.
Two Thumbs Up from me :thumbup::thumbup:

PS: for all of you yet to interview, I just posted a detailed interview feedback response.
 
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Yeah, that Extended Stay hotel chain is pretty nice. I discovered them when I went apartment hunting in Phoenix last year. They include a kitchenette which is convenient if you're in town for a couple of days. Not to mention they have a good price.

As for the interview day, all the components can be a little daunting but on the positive side it gives you more than one opportunity to make an impression. Don't worry about the lunch set up! Those numbers are always on the tables in the classroom so that instructors can call on different tables during classroom discussions (it kind of does make our lecture hall look like a lunch room though). The student ambassadors arrive at lunch time, but the interviews usually run late so that's why they're already sitting at the tables when you arrive. They try to spread themselves out so that all the prospective students have access to a current student to get the inside scoop. I assure you it's not meant to be some sort of social experiment but an opportunity to ask about student life.

Good luck to you with the rest of the interview cycle!
 
Hi all,
I have another question for you, as I'm applying. I think I read on one of these threads that you can only choose the Phoenix site for years 2, 3, 4 if you are Native American. Is this true?? I am NOT Native American, but I'd love to work with IHS. Which part of Phoenix are the clinics located? (I am familiar with Phoenix, as I grew up in the Mesa area.) Just wanted to check... thanks!
 
So I have an interview at AZCOM, and I think the chances of me getting an interview at AT-Az is pretty good... how long betwen when everything is received and an interview invite? should I call them up and say hey I am going to be in the area for another interview wanna give me one for then too... comment...
 
So I have an interview at AZCOM, and I think the chances of me getting an interview at AT-Az is pretty good... how long betwen when everything is received and an interview invite? should I call them up and say hey I am going to be in the area for another interview wanna give me one for then too... comment...

I can see the argument either for or against doing this, but if it were me, I'd be more than willing to call them up and respectfully ask if a decision had been made because I was making travel arrangements. Obviously you could go so far as to request an expedited review, if possible, but I don't think I would do that, personally. Seems like they could have a bitter taste in their mouth while looking at my app.

Sorry if I hijacked a potential response. Carry on. :oops: :D
 
Are any current ATSU SOMA students on here? I need one to email me asap [email protected] , I have questions about their curriculum from the 2nd years on. Do you only do clinic rotations or do you ever step foot in hospitals? Do you have alot of class involvement or are you on your own in a sense as far as interacting with fellow classmates? I have an interview there in late October so I wanted some opinions on everything. Email me if you can! thanks
 
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