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[UNC-or-BUST]

mmmm...UNC's fin aid came in 6,800K per year..... mmmmm subsidized stafford loans.......

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[UNC-or-BUST]

mmmm...UNC's fin aid came in 6,800K per year..... mmmmm subsidized stafford loans.......

when does CCLCM release fin aid...

 

[autoimmunity]

when does CCLCM release fin aid...

Did you just reply to your own post?

Well, some of the students had their fin aid packages available while others didn't. Administration said that they were hoping to have all the stuff out by the end of this week before they become swamped with paperwork for the current first years.

I hope that since the class size is small that there will be a little more money to go around. <fingers crossed>

 

[autoimmunity]

whats your 'general' opinion of what the waitlist movement might look like?

I wouldn't be surprised if there was some significant waitlist movement. Some of the class was totally set on coming while a fair amount was still unsure. Luckily you won't have to wait too long to find out with CCLCM's earlier deadline for making a decision.

On another note, even with the small class size, I don't think I was able to meet everyone.

 

[QofQuimica]

I wouldn't be surprised if there was some significant waitlist movement. Some of the class was totally set on coming while a fair amount was still unsure. Luckily you won't have to wait too long to find out with CCLCM's earlier deadline for making a decision.

On another note, even with the small class size, I don't think I was able to meet everyone.

You met me.

 

[Saluki]

You met me.

The most important person in the class- What does it matter if you met anyone else?

 

[QofQuimica]

The most important person in the class- What does it matter if you met anyone else?

Are you picking on me??? You do realize, don't you, that this means war....

 

[Saluki]

Are you picking on me??? You do realize, don't you, that this means war....

I'm ready for war. Now that I've met you, I know that you're shorter and skinnier than me. Besides, I bet you punch like a girl

 

[QofQuimica]

I'm ready for war. Now that I've met you, I know that you're shorter and skinnier than me. Besides, I bet you punch like a girl

Heh heh, YOU are the beanpole; I bet I outweigh you by ten or twenty pounds. More importantly, I'm definitely much meaner than you are.

 

[UNC-or-BUST]

Heh heh, YOU are the beanpole; I bet I outweigh you by ten or twenty pounds. More importantly, I'm definitely much meaner than you are.

How much to see this?
How much to see it in mud?

 

[Daichi Katase]

crazy people.

 

[autoimmunity]

You met me.

I had a hunch who you were before we formally met. It was fun meeting you and everyone of our potential classmates. It's nice to be able to put a face to the name.

Sooooo, with second look behind us, has anyone made a concrete decision whether or not to attend?? Or are people still waiting to go to second looks for other schools? I am definitely going. I liked them and they liked me. It's a match.

 

[UNC-or-BUST]

I had a hunch who you were before we formally met. It was fun meeting you and everyone of our potential classmates. It's nice to be able to put a face to the name.

Sooooo, with second look behind us, has anyone made a concrete decision whether or not to attend?? Or are people still waiting to go to second looks for other schools? I am definitely going. I liked them and they liked me. It's a match.

Thanks for getting some conversation going, this forum was dying...
I think Jammers pulled out, or on the verge, has decided the battle is HMS or U Mich, I think Duke is still in the running.

 

[Saluki]

Right after I left, I was completely sure, but now I'm having doubts again. The only other option on the table right now is Vandy, but I'm also on waitlists at Columbia, Duke, Wash U, and Mayo- ain't I talented at getting dem waitlists?
I think I'll choose CCLCM over Vandy, but I'd take Mayo if I got in off their ridiculously long waitlist.

So, I guess that's a really long way of saying I'm still not sure

 

[UNC-or-BUST]

Right after I left, I was completely sure, but now I'm having doubts again. The only other option on the table right now is Vandy, but I'm also on waitlists at Columbia, Duke, Wash U, and Mayo- ain't I talented at getting dem waitlists?
I think I'll choose CCLCM over Vandy, but I'd take Mayo if I got in off their ridiculously long waitlist.

So, I guess that's a really long way of saying I'm still not sure

Why freeze your butt off at Mayo when you can do it at CCLCM?
If CCLCM was in miami their applications might increase 10x... seems to be the only complaint right now. Still, where ever you go your going to live in the library so why not in Cleveland?

 

[Saluki]

Why freeze your butt off at Mayo when you can do it at CCLCM?
If CCLCM was in miami their applications might increase 10x... seems to be the only complaint right now. Still, where ever you go your going to live in the library so why not in Cleveland?

The weather doesn't faze me.... I actually like the snow.... My debate stems from very different problems- the newness of the school, the fact that my family and friends have never heard of Cleveland whereas Vandy is a big deal in the South, the fact that even after several explanations I still don't completely understand their assessment system, etc.

 

[UNC-or-BUST]

.... I actually like the snow....

You know snow is the evil white stuff that is cold and wet and falls from the sky, I also believe it carries the plague and current research states that Hep C comes from snow.....additionally it was the snow that made Hitler, Disney, Saddam, and Bush turn evil...
You simply can't trust snow....

 

[Daichi Katase]

So I met autoimmunity and q. who else is going to be there fo' sure?

I went and looked at Little Italy. It has a bit of an urban feel and it smells damn good.

 

[bsteves4]

anybody know when us lesser, inferior hold list people will learn anything?

 

[UNC-or-BUST]

anybody know when us lesser, inferior hold list people will learn anything?

April 15th at the earliest from last year's thread... seemed like when it start though, hold on b/c the holdees got calls for about two weeks solid.
Really, no comment on the snow... I thought that post was very creative~!?!

 

[bsteves4]

April 15th at the earliest from last year's thread... seemed like when it start though, hold on b/c the holdees got calls for about two weeks solid.
Really, no comment on the snow... I thought that post was very creative~!?!

i like your snow post

 

[dajimmers]

Alright, I've officially withdrawn (but haven't received confirmation yet). Hopefully one of you waiting will get my spot or scholarship money!

Good luck!

 

[Saluki]

Alright, I've officially withdrawn (but haven't received confirmation yet). Hopefully one of you waiting will get my spot or scholarship money!

Good luck!

dajimmers- I'm sad that you're not coming, but I think it's awesome that you've been so good about withdrawing when you figured things out. Good luck at UMich or Harvard!

 

[TGF-beta_2]

I'm thinking of withdrawing too, the program is too new, extra year?, I kind of like having a larger class (should be able to find similar personalities in a 100 person class), Cleveland kind of cold, and for residency I don't like not having graduates in the field, how are programs going to judge students?

Opinions?

 

[Saluki]

I'm thinking of withdrawing too, the program is too new, extra year?, I kind of like having a larger class (should be able to find similar personalities in a 100 person class), Cleveland kind of cold, and for residency I don't like not having graduates in the field, how are programs going to judge students?

Opinions?

I can't soothe your mind about Cleveland being too cold or the fact that you would like a larger class size. However, I feel confident that Cleveland Clinic's graduates are going to do very well in residency matching. I think they really addressed this at 2nd visit. With the top physicians in the country writing your recc letters, you can't go wrong. And with a class size of 32 you're actually going to be able to get to know those professors. The too new thing is scary, but Mayo started a lot later than a lot of med school programs and their students did incredible. Look at the top three hospitals and how well the students at the med schools connected with them do for residency, and I think you'll get a feel what Cleveland Clinic will be able to do for you. On the other hand, if you don't like the small class size, it's going to be a long five years.
Also, it's become increasingly common to take a year off to do research anyways- Why not just have it built into the program?

 

[TGF-beta_2]

I can't soothe your mind about Cleveland being too cold or the fact that you would like a larger class size. However, I feel confident that Cleveland Clinic's graduates are going to do very well in residency matching. I think they really addressed this at 2nd visit. With the top physicians in the country writing your recc letters, you can't go wrong. And with a class size of 32 you're actually going to be able to get to know those professors. The too new thing is scary, but Mayo started a lot later than a lot of med school programs and their students did incredible. Look at the top three hospitals and how well the students at the med schools connected with them do for residency, and I think you'll get a feel what Cleveland Clinic will be able to do for you. On the other hand, if you don't like the small class size, it's going to be a long five years.
Also, it's become increasingly common to take a year off to do research anyways- Why not just have it built into the program?

Saluki,
I agree but I still have a problem with their program, I didn't go to second look . Yeah CCLCM is a great hospital but teaching isn't the samething, having professors with teaching experience is important. Top schools are generally considered top because the have a tradition of sending the best medical students to residency. CCLCM hasn't sent any out and the variation I have seen in the student body might not help place students.
The only reason I still think about CCLCM the fin aid they sent is awesome but with schools like U Pitt, Vandy, UVA, and UCSD.... (really how could I got wrong, not to shove in any faces, I'm a huge nerd)
why risk it at CCLCM???

 

[Saluki]

Saluki,
I agree but I still have a problem with their program, I didn't go to second look . Yeah CCLCM is a great hospital but teaching isn't the samething, having professors with teaching experience is important. Top schools are generally considered top because the have a tradition of sending the best medical students to residency. CCLCM hasn't sent any out and the variation I have seen in the student body might not help place students.
The only reason I still think about CCLCM the fin aid they sent is awesome but with schools like U Pitt, Vandy, UVA, and UCSD.... (really how could I got wrong, not to shove in any faces, I'm a huge nerd)
why risk it at CCLCM???

Top schools had to start that tradition of sending people great places somewhere. Probably people going into Mayo 30 years ago had the same fears... As far as teaching experience goes, the faculty have had a lot of experience teaching with 3rd and 4th year students from Case and with students from Ohio State coming through. Also, they've been training doctors in their residency programs. It's really not that huge of a jump to put the med school in.
What do you mean by the variation in the student body?

 

[UNC-or-BUST]

geez, this thread to a wrong turn...

mmm... it is already 60 degrees at UNC
I had a dream about CCLCM, I was running about in that second floor hallway thingy. I can't wait to have my picture in it~!

 

[TGF-beta_2]

What do you mean by the variation in the student body?

I mean that many students aren't sure what they are going to do after medical school. The success of CCLCM is going to be determined by the amount of graduates that go into academic medicine and actively perform research. Many of the students I spoke with had no idea, as do most medical students, what they will do after graduation. I think I will withdraw today, tough choice but money isn't everything, good luck to everyone.

 

[Saluki]

I mean that many students aren't sure what they are going to do after medical school. The success of CCLCM is going to be determined by the amount of graduates that go into academic medicine and actively perform research. Many of the students I spoke with had no idea, as do most medical students, what they will do after graduation. I think I will withdraw today, tough choice but money isn't everything, good luck to everyone.

I don't know... I think the success of CCLCM's mission of making physician investigators will depend on that, but I don't think that the reputation of the school will be affected by that... A lot of graduates from top medical schools enter private practice.... However, if your mind's made up, your mind's made up... Where do you think you'll go instead?

 

[TGF-beta_2]

I don't know... I think the success of CCLCM's mission of making physician investigators will depend on that, but I don't think that the reputation of the school will be affected by that... A lot of graduates from top medical schools enter private practice.... However, if your mind's made up, your mind's made up... Where do you think you'll go instead?

U Pitt or Vandy,
I think you have a similar situation

 

[QofQuimica]

I I think I will withdraw today, tough choice but money isn't everything, good luck to everyone.

FWIW, I think you're doing the right thing; CC doesn't sound like the right school for you. Good luck to you wherever you end up.

 

[exmike]

Saluki,
I agree but I still have a problem with their program, I didn't go to second look . Yeah CCLCM is a great hospital but teaching isn't the samething, having professors with teaching experience is important. Top schools are generally considered top because the have a tradition of sending the best medical students to residency. CCLCM hasn't sent any out and the variation I have seen in the student body might not help place students.
The only reason I still think about CCLCM the fin aid they sent is awesome but with schools like U Pitt, Vandy, UVA, and UCSD.... (really how could I got wrong, not to shove in any faces, I'm a huge nerd)
why risk it at CCLCM???

In that case, CCLCM should be a top medical school. Every school has basically the same preclinical curriculum. So what if the LCM profs are new to it. The majority of students in any medical school will tell you that they pretty much taught themselves for the boards. Now, what sets medical schools apart are the teaching hospitals - it is no coincidence that the top medical schools are affiliated with the top hospitals. When it comes to that, case/CCLCM are unparalleled. You have a world famous tertiary care hospital with renowned specialists along with a metropolitan county hospital with a very needy population. You wont get this blend of clinical experience in many other places. The clincal rotations make the medical school, not the preclinical sciences. At worst, LCM students will match with the same success as Case students (which we have seen is awesome), and at best, they LCM students will have their choice of the best residencies anywhere - especially when they get that all important letter from the world famous department chair at the Cleveland Clinic after doing a sub-i there.

 

[QofQuimica]

In that case, CCLCM should be a top medical school. Every school has basically the same preclinical curriculum. So what if the LCM profs are new to it. The majority of students in any medical school will tell you that they pretty much taught themselves for the boards.

It is no doubt true that all medical schools teach the same pre-clinical sciences, but we can surely all agree that CC has a VERY different approach to the first two years compared with most schools. I have never heard of anything else quite like it at any other university in this country. Case in general is a maverick institution, and the school has a history of being very innovative in education; CC is just one of the more recent examples of that. Not everyone is comfortable with the idea of being in such an unusual program, and they shouldn't be criticized for feeling the way they do. Some people like being a part of innovation, and others prefer to stay with the tried and true. It sounds like this poster falls into the latter category, and in that case, s/he should go with a more traditional program.

 

[Saluki]

It is no doubt true that all medical schools teach the same pre-clinical sciences, but we can surely all agree that CC has a VERY different approach to the first two years compared with most schools. I have never heard of anything else quite like it at any other university in this country. Case in general is a maverick institution, and the school has a history of being very innovative in education; CC is just one of the more recent examples of that. Not everyone is comfortable with the idea of being in such an unusual program, and they shouldn't be criticized for feeling the way they do. Some people like being a part of innovation, and others prefer to stay with the tried and true. It sounds like this poster falls into the latter category, and in that case, s/he should go with a more traditional program.

I think Q of Q is right... It takes courage to go to a new program that hasn't had anyone take the boards or graduate...(perhaps more courage than I have ) So, people should take what they feel more comfortable with... They may regret that decision ten years down the line when Cleveland is the new Mayo, but we'll refrain from gloating

ExMike- Are you a student at Case or the Clinic?

 

[gcomplex7]

Who the heck is this Q kid running all over the place. I met Saluki and i see Q was at both the College and the University revisit, so I must have met you too....but can't find a face. And wassup with helping with my new hallucinogen, you didn't even check for the red-eyed kid.

 

[geekOCD]

I know he can talk for himself =) but in case you're dying to know, exmike is at the university program.

 

[Saluki]

Two weeks till decision time... Does anyone else dislike the fact that we have to make decisions earlier than everone else? I know why they do it that way, but it seems to make the decision harder, especially since financial aid offers from my other school don't go out till after April 15....
Has anyone gone ahead and withdrawn from everywhere else already?

 

[tree_monkey]

Do any of you know Dr. Franco's email address? I can't seem to find it . . .

Thx!

 

[TGF-beta_2]

Do any of you know Dr. Franco's email address? I can't seem to find it . . .

Thx!

[email protected]
I withdrew, thanks everyone for the input.
I guess I wasn't the first today....

 

[GasGuy2010]

I have also decided to withdraw. Good luck to any waitlisters out there. Here's another spot. Quick question though. Is it okay to withdraw by sending an email to Dr. Franco?

 

[bsteves4]

so i guess i missed it.. (haha)

for all you accepted applicants, they said the last day you can withdraw is april 15?? what happens if you dont withdraw by then? or
what happens if (for example) that is your only acceptance at the time, so you dont withdraw, then get into your dream school in may

this whole process confuses me so much
haha

 

[Saluki]

so i guess i missed it.. (haha)

for all you accepted applicants, they said the last day you can withdraw is april 15?? what happens if you dont withdraw by then? or
what happens if (for example) that is your only acceptance at the time, so you dont withdraw, then get into your dream school in may

this whole process confuses me so much
haha

Well, in order to have a little blind leading the blind, I'm going to attempt to answer your questions...
They did tell the accepted applicants that they needed to withdraw by then. If without permission, you're holding another acceptance at that point, Cleveland Clinic can withdraw their acceptance... All of the schools have to have accepted a full class by the end of March, so in an ideal world the only way you could get into your dream school in May is off their waitlist... If that happens, then you operate by the normal trafficking rules for waitlist movement- I think you have two weeks to make a choice, but perhaps someone more knowledgeable will correct me...

 

[UNC-or-BUST]

so i guess i missed it.. (haha)

for all you accepted applicants, they said the last day you can withdraw is april 15?? what happens if you dont withdraw by then? or
what happens if (for example) that is your only acceptance at the time, so you dont withdraw, then get into your dream school in may

this whole process confuses me so much
haha

I love the nervous laughter.
What did I miss...? Please someone stay I'd like to have classmates if I get in...
For CCLCM you have to drop CCLCM or all other ACCEPTANCES by April 15th. Waitlists and no decisions don't count b/c they are not recorded at AAMC, which lists acceptances so you can't BS the system.

I also had an intense run of excited laughter when I saw the list of withdraws growing, hey I might get in by default...

 

[Saluki]

I love the nervous laughter.
What did I miss...? Please someone stay I'd like to have classmates if I get in...
For CCLCM you have to drop CCLCM or all other ACCEPTANCES by April 15th. Waitlists and no decisions don't count b/c they are not recorded at AAMC, which lists acceptances so you can't BS the system.

I also had an intense run of excited laughter when I saw the list of withdraws growing, hey I might get in by default...

The growing list of withdrawals actually scares me and makes me want to withdraw... But then if I do that, someone else might get scared and withdraw and pretty soon there won't be anyone left...

 

[UNC-or-BUST]

The growing list of withdrawals actually scares me and makes me want to withdraw... But then if I do that, someone else might get scared and withdraw and pretty soon there won't be anyone left...

Reason# 853 to choose a medical school: guilt
its a great school, I think they picked very very top applicants, like yourself, this year, as with most top applicants there are a lot of choices... April 15th is alittle early though...They should extend it to May 15th next year. That still gives them two months before classes.

 

[GasGuy2010]

To hopefully ease some of you who want to go to CCLM. I didn't withdraw because I thought it was a bad program. It is new and with that there is some uncertainty that I personally would not like. However, the April 15th decision really was the reason. I won't even have financial aid offers from other schools by then and since CCLM isn't my absolute top choice I could not make the April 15th committment. I think if they changed to May 15th as with other schools things would be very very different for a lot of people.

 

[TGF-beta_2]

To hopefully ease some of you who want to go to CCLM. I didn't withdraw because I thought it was a bad program. It is new and with that there is some uncertainty that I personally would not like. However, the April 15th decision really was the reason. I won't even have financial aid offers from other schools by then and since CCLM isn't my absolute top choice I could not make the April 15th committment. I think if they changed to May 15th as with other schools things would be very very different for a lot of people.

I love being right

 

[Saluki]

I love being right

What were you right about? (I'm not messing around- I just missed what you were referring to..)

 

[GasGuy2010]

Okay since I see two ppl currently online. Is it okay to email the withdrawal?And he was referring to what i said about the april 15th deadline