Starting to regret going to an osteopathic school

[cooldreams]

"Originally Posted by Shinken
How come allopathic students never regret going to MD school?"

actually a number of ppl do.

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[EvoDevo]

But I do know of the experiences and comments of many of my personal friends who are D.O.s

Not to be rude, but that's horse $hyte, dude. That would be like saying that "You know what it's like to be a Marine because you've talked to and learned from all of your friends." Unless you've walked the walk, sometimes you really don't know what it's like. Experience is a great teacher.

BTW, I'm not in MS yet and so I *always* take care to avoid falling into the trap of "I know better" than my friends who are in MS right now. I give them that respect. YOu might try doing the same thing.

Peace.

 

[frank51]

From what I understand patients don?t really care whether you have a D.O degree or an M.D, however a lot of M.Ds do in fact see D.Os as inferior, but who cares what the other M.Ds think, the important thing is what your patients think. I have to admit though that people have the right to be skeptical concerning OMM, I was recently looking at a book that showed different points on the body for acupuncture therapy; it was a joke, I mean how the f*** does a point on your toe relate to your thyroid or pancreas? Give me a break.

 

[cooldreams]

From what I understand patients don?t really care whether you have a D.O degree or an M.D, however a lot of M.Ds do in fact see D.Os as inferior, but who cares what the other M.Ds think, the important thing is what your patients think. I have to admit though that people have the right to be skeptical concerning OMM, I was recently looking at a book that showed different points on the body for acupuncture therapy; it was a joke, I mean how the f*** does a point on your toe relate to your thyroid or pancreas? Give me a break.

well... like others have so eloquently pointed out, i do not have experience with omm... BUT i am very much so into pressure points and accupuncture. dood.. some of the stuff is weird... but really, a lot of it works. to me, if you say that you dont "believe" that it works, then that is like saying that the earth is flat... good luck with that... i KNOW the stuff is real.... 1st hand experience baby! hehe i have both recieved it and done it to ppl.

i do also know that ppl are like a bell graph, most ppl are normally reactive to it, some ppl dont react to it at all hardly, and some ppl are very sensitive to it...

further on to your question, i think you are refering to the meridian for the thyroid or pancrease or whatever when you are talking about a point on the toe. really, this is just the original naming convention used. it doesnt mean that sticking a needle there will puncture ur gull bladder haha... for example a stike to stomach 9 in the neck will have a major effect on the heart. this is a well known knockout point...

 

[medic170]

Not to be rude, but that's horse $hyte, dude. That would be like saying that "You know what it's like to be a Marine because you've talked to and learned from all of your friends." Unless you've walked the walk, sometimes you really don't know what it's like. Experience is a great teacher.

BTW, I'm not in MS yet and so I *always* take care to avoid falling into the trap of "I know better" than my friends who are in MS right now. I give them that respect. YOu might try doing the same thing.

Peace.

So working with doctors for 8 years does not count because I was not actually the doctor? If I were a civilian employee working on a base for the marine corp, would I not know something about what the life of a Marine is like?

 

[Docgeorge]

So working with doctors for 8 years does not count because I was not actually the doctor? If I were a civilian employee working on a base for the marine corp, would I not know something about what the life of a Marine is like?

I can see your point, but I also see Evo Point. Let me see if I can put in some different terms. Sure you've worked with and observed doctors for 8 years, but that is not the same as being in medical shcool or being a practiceing physician. A really good analogy is watching lots of porn and being farimilar with the act of coitus. But it's a far cry from acutally bumping uglies.

 

[bones]

well... like others have so eloquently pointed out, i do not have experience with omm... BUT i am very much so into pressure points and accupuncture. dood.. some of the stuff is weird... but really, a lot of it works. to me, if you say that you dont "believe" that it works, then that is like saying that the earth is flat... good luck with that... i KNOW the stuff is real.... 1st hand experience baby! hehe i have both recieved it and done it to ppl.

i do also know that ppl are like a bell graph, most ppl are normally reactive to it, some ppl dont react to it at all hardly, and some ppl are very sensitive to it...

further on to your question, i think you are refering to the meridian for the thyroid or pancrease or whatever when you are talking about a point on the toe. really, this is just the original naming convention used. it doesnt mean that sticking a needle there will puncture ur gull bladder haha... for example a stike to stomach 9 in the neck will have a major effect on the heart. this is a well known knockout point...

be careful with this. there is the "oh i've done this and it works so it has to be real" routine. Unless you have dedicated years of study to acupuncture and have seen outcomes of hundreds of your own patients, I'd be hesitant to make claims about what you know works and what doesn't based on some personal experimenting. Its still okay to get excited about it, of course... and decide whether you want to dedicate years of your life to learning it.


I would also hesitate to blow off accupuncture just because you don't understand the mechanism mr frank51... There is some very good NIH research on the efficacy of acupuncture for pain control- though I am not aware of work that can verify that the meridian system is the reason the points work as they do. But yes, from the research we can say at least some of the points do work as advertised.

 

[LovelyRita]

So working with doctors for 8 years does not count because I was not actually the doctor? If I were a civilian employee working on a base for the marine corp, would I not know something about what the life of a Marine is like?

I was in your exact shoes. The first day of med school you become not a seasoned veteran of healthcare, but a green-behind-the-ears med student just like all of your fellow med students, young and old.

What's that song..."all things that I used to know have gone out the window..."

 

[medic170]

I can see your point, but I also see Evo Point. Let me see if I can put in some different terms. Sure you've worked with and observed doctors for 8 years, but that is not the same as being in medical shcool or being a practiceing physician. A really good analogy is watching lots of porn and being farimilar with the act of coitus. But it's a far cry from acutally bumping uglies.

True, but you'd still know a thing or two about sex.

 

[frank51]

further on to your question, i think you are refering to the meridian for the thyroid or pancrease or whatever when you are talking about a point on the toe. really, this is just the original naming convention used. it doesnt mean that sticking a needle there will puncture ur gull bladder haha... for example a stike to stomach 9 in the neck will have a major effect on the heart. this is a well known knockout point...

I would also hesitate to blow off accupuncture just because you don't understand the mechanism mr frank51... There is some very good NIH research on the efficacy of acupuncture for pain control- though I am not aware of work that can verify that the meridian system is the reason the points work as they do. But yes, from the research we can say at least some of the points do work as advertised.

I agree with you concerning the pain management aspect of it, indeed like you mentioned there are studies that support this aspect. It?s very hard for me to explain but something about it just doesn?t seem right and scientific, I don?t know maybe as ?cooldreams? mentioned I?m just not looking at it the right way. I would appreciate it if you guys could make something clear for me, I thought OMT is similar to techniques used by chiropractors, in a sense that you?re are looking for interactions between the muscles and bone, which both conceptually and scientifically makes perfect sense. However I was very surprised to hear about D.O schools teaching herbal medicine, acupuncture, etc.

 

[EvoDevo]

I can see your point, but I also see Evo Point. Let me see if I can put in some different terms. Sure you've worked with and observed doctors for 8 years, but that is not the same as being in medical shcool or being a practiceing physician. A really good analogy is watching lots of porn and being farimilar with the act of coitus. But it's a far cry from acutally bumping uglies.

Exactly.

Just as I'm going to have a lot of medical "book and observational knowledge" obtained from my work/volunteer/personal experiences and from talks with my friends, so I had the same sort of "knowledge" prior to going into the Marine Corps. Yet once I put my feet on the painted yellow footprints, I realized that none of that was enough to really prepare me for the "bomb going off" that was the actual experience.

I totally expect the same experience once I start med school too.

 

[daveyboy]

True, but you'd still know a thing or two about sex.

Yes, but you would know about porno sex. Porno sex is different than real sex, even porn stars say that. Plus, what I am calling "porno sex" is really just the mythos of the sex that the actors are having in the studio. When you watch porno you are like those people in that cave, watching the shadows, assigning meaning to them to placate that inate human fear of the unknown. As we watch porn we are fooled by the illusion that those people are having sex as we understand it, as opposed to the reality that they are just shooting a scene.

This illusion gets shattered, painfully I may add, when one watches a documentary about the porn industry. They gotta make it look good, do retakes, keep the stud "fluffed", etc. And then there is the money shot. So many details.

So, what all these people are trying to say is that what you think med school is like is the equivalent of watching porn. The reality of med school is more like being a porno actor. It is still sex, in a strict sense, but you are now a professional doing it for money, and you gotta do the money shot just right despite the fact that you are totally drained.

That should clear things up. If not PM me, I gotta study and my fluffer is knocking at the door.

 

[mcandy]

Accupuncture is gaining acceptance in western medicine world these days too. It is ignorant to ignore the benefits of something that has been so positive in another culture for a very long time. Here is a link to some info from a Maine Medical Center residency program in Integrative medicine which teaches Acupuncture (its a crappy dartmouth allopathic type residency though). Ralph Thieme, DO is one of our OMM instructors at UNECOM and he has been a major player in the move to bring accupuncture into our western hospitals in an effort to help people that can really benefit from it.


http://www.mmc.org/mmc_residencies/integrativemedicinemedstudelectives.htm

 

[JMC_MarineCorps]

Yes, but you would know about porno sex. Porno sex is different than real sex, even porn stars say that. Plus, what I am calling "porno sex" is really just the mythos of the sex that the actors are having in the studio. When you watch porno you are like those people in that cave, watching the shadows, assigning meaning to them to placate that inate human fear of the unknown. As we watch porn we are fooled by the illusion that those people are having sex as we understand it, as opposed to the reality that they are just shooting a scene.

This illusion gets shattered, painfully I may add, when one watches a documentary about the porn industry. They gotta make it look good, do retakes, keep the stud "fluffed", etc. And then there is the money shot. So many details.

So, what all these people are trying to say is that what you think med school is like is the equivalent of watching porn. The reality of med school is more like being a porno actor. It is still sex, in a strict sense, but you are now a professional doing it for money, and you gotta do the money shot just right despite the fact that you are totally drained.

That should clear things up. If not PM me, I gotta study and my fluffer is knocking at the door.

THIS GUY ROCKS!

 

[JMC_MarineCorps]

Exactly.

Just as I'm going to have a lot of medical "book and observational knowledge" obtained from my work/volunteer/personal experiences and from talks with my friends, so I had the same sort of "knowledge" prior to going into the Marine Corps. Yet once I put my feet on the painted yellow footprints, I realized that none of that was enough to really prepare me for the "bomb going off" that was the actual experience.

I totally expect the same experience once I start med school too.

YOU MOTIVATE ME EVO! <Marine Corps Hymn playing loudly in the background> From the Halls of Montezuma...to the shores of Tripoli.

How's the app process going? PM so we don't hijack this thread. Uh, sorry, to late!

 

[Ypo.]

It's funny how only osteopathic students regret going to DO school once they find out about how uncertain science can be. What? OMT works but we're not quite sure why? NOOOOO! I WANT TO BE AN MD!!!! AHHHHH!

From the Prozac website: http://www.prozac.com/how_prozac/how_it_works.jsp?reqNavId=2.2

"Depression is not fully understood, but a growing amount of evidence supports the view that people with depression have an imbalance of the brain's neurotransmitters, ..... Many scientists believe that an imbalance in serotonin, one of these neurotransmitters, may be an important factor in the development and severity of depression.

PROZAC may help to correct this imbalance by increasing the brain's own supply of serotonin....

While PROZAC cannot be said to "cure" depression, it does help to control the symptoms of depression, allowing many people with depression to feel better and return to normal functioning."

How's that? "...not fully understood..." "...scientists believe..." "...may be an important factor..." "Prozac may help..." "...cannot be said to cure depression, but helps control the symptoms..." (treating symptoms and not people? Sorry, couldn't help throwing that in there). Sounds like the science behind depression and the science behind the treatment is just a bunch of "may" "perhaps" "believe" (sounds like OMT?)

How about this little gem from the Zoloft website: http://www.zoloft.com/index.asp?pageid=44

"Although the way Zoloft works for depression, panic disorder, OCD, and PTSD is not completely understood...."

What? Prescribing something that seems to work in studies but that doesn't have a known mechanism of action? QUACKS!!!!! Oh, wait...those are MDs and not DOs. Never mind.

When an MD uses therapy that's not understood, to treat disorders that aren't understood, it's OK because a drug company-sponsored study shows the drug "may work."

When a DO uses therapy that's not understood (OMT) to treat disorders that aren't understood (somatic dysfunction), it's quackery and people regret going to DO school.

Double standard? That's the only thing that's worthy of regret.

The more you read your books (particularly neuroscience, immunology and plenty of physiology concepts) you realize most of the "science" in medicine is based on "perhaps" "evidence seems to point to" "may" "it's agreed that". Very few things are certain. MDs seem to handle this uncertainty very well. DOs start to whine and regret, especially when the uncertainty comes from OMM.

Yes, Shinken! Good post! I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees that discrepancy. I just love the use of the words "believe" "may have" and "not fully understood"!! Sounds exactly like OMM, yet we are held to a higher standard than many prescription drugs that are out on the market? rrrrrrrrrrr...don't get me started.


BTW-how did we come to comparing porn sex with being a paramedic and real sex to being a medical student??? Medical school is nowhere near as pleasurable as sex, people! (of course this is only from what I hear) I have to admit, though- for me getting that acceptance letter in the mail was pretty damn close to having an orgasm. Definitely high up there on the happy scale

 

[medic170]

So, what all these people are trying to say is that what you think med school is like is the equivalent of watching porn. The reality of med school is more like being a porno actor. It is still sex, in a strict sense, but you are now a professional doing it for money, and you gotta do the money shot just right despite the fact that you are totally drained.

That should clear things up. If not PM me, I gotta study and my fluffer is knocking at the door.

My comments were not even about what med school is like. I would agree that I don't know crap about med school compared to someone who is already there. If you look back, I have been talking about whether there is very little or no stigma in Michigan for practicing DO's. I think my experience in the field, and talking to my physician friends, does give me enough perspective to voice my opinion that very little or no stigma exists around here. You don't have to be an MSI to know what the politics of the medical field is like if you have worked in the middle of it for a long time!

All this porno talk is way off base too. The logic does not fit. It would make more sense to say that I have a good perpective of what it is like to be a pornstar, and whether there are stigmas between stars from different production companies, after 8 years working with them as, say, a cameraman.

I am amused by the analogy though. What exacty are you people doing with your spare time

 

[DistantMets]

I'm in a pretty unique position where I train because I'm in a hospital where there are both MD and DO medical student and residency training. I'm at a level 1 trauma center with lots and lots of subspecialists. There is little if any animosity between DOs and MDs. I just finished a rotation on an MD service with other MD students. I wasn't treated any differently and I actually did a treatment on one of the MD students. One of the MD residents found out about it and he wanted a treatment too. I've been told by 4th years and interns that they've had simular experiences. My FP rotation was in an office with a group of 4 docs, 3 DOs and 1 MD who, after being treated himself for back pain, now routinely 'consults' his patients to his partners for manipulation and wishes he could provide the service himself. If you look at the speciality of PM&R, they are actually teaching OMM in allopathic residency programs, and we're talking places like Harvard. I certainly believe in evidence based medicine and I think that anectdotes like this are the reason we need to do the research. MDs and DOs alike use anectdotes all the time when they treat. Everybody get Neurontin for diabetic neuropathy, right? It's only really labeled for seizures and post-herpetic neuralgia. OMM is tough to study because you can't control the dose like you can a pill and, for our bread and butter low back pain, there is no objective measure for pain. On the other hand, the problem I see with EBM is that it tries to make treatment a recipe that you follow over and over. A big part of OMT is tailoring a treatment to the patient. Do I think every type of manipulation will be proven effective, no. Do I think it's silly that someone uses the result of a study on OMM for hip arthroplasty to justify all of OMM as a sham, yes. OMM is a tool, use it if you like it, but be willing to at least pick up a thing or two. I don't like OB/gyn, but I'm sure I'll pick up some things. Remember too as a first year med student you're swimming through lots of info that doesn't make sense at first and OMM is no different, things like CV phys are tough and frustrating the first time around. Don't let the OMM gurus turn you off, they always seem to be weird people for some reason. Talk to your fellows and the docs out there that practice real world OMM. Beyond OMM, there have been studies that show DOs spend more time with their patients, are more likely to touch their patients, and are more likely to do little things like sit down when they're with a patient. Finally, I agree the COMLEX sucks and so does the AOA. Thank you. End of dictation.

 

[Docgeorge]

I am amused by the analogy though. What exacty are you people doing with your spare time

mostly thinking about sex, watching pornos, being ticked off that you're not getting as much sex other "normal" people your age, and if your're lucky having sex.

hope that clears it up for you

 

[LovelyRita]

mostly thinking about sex, watching pornos, being ticked off that you're not getting as much sex other "normal" people your age, and if your're lucky having sex.

hope that clears it up for you

OMT class involves a lot of touching. Therefore, a good reason NOT to regret attending a DO school, bringing this argument almost full circle.

But then many will say that the touching ultimately leads to nowhere and noone gets any and then sexual frustration happens, and then, well, we regret having attended a DO school.

There ya go.

 

[daveyboy]

OMT class involves a lot of touching.
But then many will say that the touching ultimately leads to nowhere and noone gets any and then sexual frustration happens, and then, well, we regret having attended a DO school.

This is when it is time to get in touch with yourself, to bansish those inner demons of frustration.........

 

[daveyboy]

mostly thinking about sex, watching pornos, being ticked off that you're not getting as much sex other "normal" people your age, and if your're lucky having sex.

hope that clears it up for you

Docgeorge, you forgot to mention the boozin'. It wouldn't be complete w/out the booze, baby.

 

[Queen Bee]

But I do know of the experiences and comments of many of my personal friends who are D.O.s

Just started looking at this particular thread, so if I repeat something, sorry in advance. Can I just say quit attacking medic170? I am an MSII at DMU-COM and medic170 seems to know more about the medical profession than most people who are in or past med school. Just b/c someone isnt as far along in their education doesnt make their ideas less valuable.
To the OP...I think happiness with your education has more to do with matching your particular learning style with the appropriate school. I was indifferent to MD or DO, they both seemed similar to me. I interviewed at several well known MD and DO schools, and picked the one I felt most comfortable with, DMU-COMS. Does every school have problems? YES! Remember that western style medicine isn't infallible and not every treatment is 100% proven with research. We dont even know the mech. of action for every drug. What got me fired up about OMM was shadowing physicians and seeing how many patients came in with pain that had no apparent cause. These patients were typically given nsaids and a pack of ice and sent on their way. Living with pain is misery, even minor pain. If we can learn something to help that, awesome. FYI, some of the most gung ho alternative med docs I have met were MDs. One in particular was a cardiologist who did his med training at Harvard. He gave a lecture at our school about CAM treatments in Cardiology. It was an eye opener. A lot of OMM is great, try treating people who actually have problems. When you can relieve some of their symptoms as a lowly MSI...thats pretty damn cool. Lets all get along, MDs and DOs, we all just want to make our patients feel better.

 

[Docgeorge]

Docgeorge, you forgot to mention the boozin'. It wouldn't be complete w/out the booze, baby.

Unfortuantely I'm getting too old for that now. Hangovers that I used be able to shake of in half a day now hang around for half a week. I've mitigated this some what by swithcing to high grade booze. No more Buttwiper beer, now it's quality microbrews and good vino.

 

[ke25]

Hi,

I just wanted to post my personal experiance - with out going into a lot of detail, I had a major lower back and hip injury at 18. I went to a couple orthopedic surgeons, one of them is probbly top 10 in the country, without a doubt - my father was at the time very well connected in the biotech industry and the local medical community. I had a release of the piriformis performed, which did indeed help but did not solve the problem entirely. Suffered for another 3 years untill I found a family practice D.O. who happened to have an open mind in medical school and take the time to learn OMT. As it turns out, the reason I could not walk and was in so much pain was a severe sacral shear and general ligament laxity around the sacrum. I underwent prolotherapy ( another form of "alternative medicine") and in conjunction with OMT. In a very practical way, I wen from barely being able to walk a block, much less grocery shop so I could feed myself - to attending medical school today pain free and able to go on 2-3 mile hikes. By the way, my MD orthopedic surgeon was in total agreement with OMT - becuase as he said "I have no idea why you are still in pain, if you feel like it is helping definitly continue - I have heard that it helps a lot of people". It was really nice that he was so open minded and supportive too.

I know OMM dept can get annoying, but they have come across something that works profoundly well - and the rest of the medical community - including their own students are not listening - rather just using them to get a medical license.

 

[docbill]

Hi,

I just wanted to post my personal experiance - with out going into a lot of detail, I had a major lower back and hip injury at 18. I went to a couple ......to get a medical license.

So this is a great post... I don't dought that OMT helps. I was born with club feet. Even though an surgery did correct most of the problem.. I still have to have orthodics. Also I know when I don't wear them how my whole back and body gets tence and painful.

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BUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT If you allow me to Bitch for a few lines. I always find it interesting how someone who just joint SDN yesterday can post such a post. Not to mention. NO INFORMATION WHAT SO EVER to where they are from, what school etc... How does anyone know what intentions of posters are online. Not only on SDN but any other boards.

SO I GUESS THIS IS A GENERAL WARNING DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING POSTED ON THE INTERNET.. INCLUDING MY POST.




I find it odd

 

[Robz]

I always find it interesting how someone who just joint SDN yesterday can post such a post. Not to mention. NO INFORMATION WHAT SO EVER to where they are from, what school etc... How does anyone know what intentions of posters are online. Not only on SDN but any other boards.

SO I GUESS THIS IS A GENERAL WARNING DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING POSTED ON THE INTERNET.. INCLUDING MY POST.

Its a policy of mine that I look at any poster with less than 100 posts with doubt until proven otherwise...especially anyone that posts something contraversial with their first couple posts. Too many people like to push buttons....as this thread shows.

 

[mcandy]

Having a big post # doesn't mean you are an expert either...it may mean you spend too much time on the computer. I see many here that are premed or class of 2008 that are 1000+ posters and docs that are in fellowship with 0+. It all should be taken with a LARGE grain of salt.

 

[Ypo.]

D@mn! And here I thought I'd finally found a surefire way to becoming an expert on something. I'd just made 1,000 posts, too (pouty face). Thanks for shooting me down

 

[medic170]

Just started looking at this particular thread, so if I repeat something, sorry in advance. Can I just say quit attacking medic170? I am an MSII at DMU-COM and medic170 seems to know more about the medical profession than most people who are in or past med school. Just b/c someone isnt as far along in their education doesnt make their ideas less valuable.
.

Thanks you for sticking up for me, I made a new friend

 

[ke25]

Hi,

I am at east coast Osteopathic school. I have been treated with OMT for 6 years and have spent a lot of time with DO's as a patient and as a future doctor. Granted, they are the "believers" who made me read "The DO's" and then questioned me on osteopathic philosophy while I was recieving treatment - once I told them I was thinking of becoming one myself. I am sorry for my attitude, but it just annoys me that I am with a lot of people here who do not believe in OMT or osteopathic medicine in general - why come then? that is all I am saying. Also, I don't really have time for this, I just wanted to put my experiance out there just in case anyone else can gain something from it. I will have all of 2 posts on SDN - believe me or not.

ke25

 

[medic170]

Hi,

Iit just annoys me that I am with a lot of people here who do not believe in OMT or osteopathic medicine in general - why come then?

ke25

I feel the same way, only I am not really annoyed, I am concerned. But, yeah, why become a DO if you don't believe in osteopathic medicine, become an MD?? BTW, I too have been treated for back pain with OMT for 3 years. After NSAIDS, Muscle relaxers, and NARCS, OMT literally cured me. Now I take no meds and don't even need the OMT Rx anymore.

 

[OnMyWayThere]

I feel the same way, only I am not really annoyed, I am concerned. But, yeah, why become a DO if you don't believe in osteopathic medicine, become an MD??

Why? Because there are people constantly applying DO because they were not accepted to an allopathic institute and didn't want to move overseas (sad, but true). There are also Osteopathic medical students constantly on the Caribbean threads on SDN and valuemd.com all the time trying to convince applicants to apply to Osteopathic schools too because that way they can stay in the U.S... they are trying to put out a superiority issue on them (DO > FMG ), while they are trying to recruit people who "don't believe in osteopathic medicine"... they're hurting themselves.
It's the "backup" students who are complaining about OMT.

 

[RBorhani]

Trust you me, when you are done with school and residency, you will not even think twice about any of these.

 

[(nicedream)]

But, yeah, why become a DO if you don't believe in osteopathic medicine, become an MD??

There are many reasons. Not being accepted to MD, location, curriculum...if one truly believes there is no difference other than OMT, than chances are OMT is not enough to make someone not choose a school that otherwise attracts them.

 

[Idiopathic]

So this is a great post... I don't dought that OMT helps. I was born with club feet. Even though an surgery did correct most of the problem.. I still have to have orthodics. Also I know when I don't wear them how my whole back and body gets tence and painful.

Im sorry, and dont take this personally. But do they spell differently in Canada?

 

[Idiopathic]

But, yeah, why become a DO if you don't believe in osteopathic medicine.

Seriously, sit through a "history of OMT" lecture and then come talk to me.

 

[medic170]

Seriously, sit through a "history of OMT" lecture and then come talk to me.

LOL...I'll remember that next fall.

 

[medic170]

It's the "backup" students who are complaining about OMT.

Fine with me. I don't know about other states, but in Michigan, even Medicaid pays a decent reimbursment (so my preceptors have told me), so I'll just make all the money and gain a great rep from helping my patients even more

 

[docbill]

Im sorry, and dont take this personally. But do they spell differently in Canada?

No nothing personal... Canada does use British spelling... but that is so mixed these days that I don't know any more.

BTW... the main reason for your QUESTION it is true my SPELLING SUCKS SHiAT. ENGLISH IS ME 3 language.. SORRYYyyyyyyyyyy..

BTW2 you should see my writing it is worst. hehehe

 

[DrRichardKimble]

Fine with me. I don't know about other states, but in Michigan, even Medicaid pays a decent reimbursment (so my preceptors have told me), so I'll just make all the money and gain a great rep from helping my patients even more

i'm starting to remember why it is i don't visit SDN all too often anymore. usually those with the most to say and claim to have the most knowledge have not even sat through one medical school course yet.

 

[Elysium]

i'm starting to remember why it is i don't visit SDN all too often anymore. usually those with the most to say and claim to have the most knowledge have not even sat through one medical school course yet.

So true, so true.

 

[medic170]

i'm starting to remember why it is i don't visit SDN all too often anymore. usually those with the most to say and claim to have the most knowledge have not even sat through one medical school course yet.

I was being sarcastic with those comments, hence the little laughing guy.

Anyway, I am getting sick of defending my experience, so for the last time, yes, 8 years working full time in the medical field has taught me a few things, and yes, I do think I know a thing or two about the medical field, probably more so than many med students. True, I don't know jack yet about the science of medicine, but when it comes to the social and political aspects of medicine, I do think my life experience (yes, I am an old man ), my work experience, and my former research does give me some valid perspective on these issues, probably more so than sitting through a biochem lecture in med school. It seems to me that there are a lot of wet behind the ears, 22 year old med students who think they know everything about medicine just because they HAVE sat through some med school lectures.

 

[Ypo.]

i'm starting to remember why it is i don't visit SDN all too often anymore. usually those with the most to say and claim to have the most knowledge have not even sat through one medical school course yet.

If you spent more time here you would know Medic170, and would have realized he was making a joke and attempting to lighten up a thread that has become waaaayyy too serious.

BTW-why do you have to attend medical school to figure out what medicaid will and won't reimburse? I'm just asking because that seems to be the comment you nailed Medic for.

 

[medic170]

If you spent more time here you would know Medic170, and would have realized he was making a joke and attempting to lighten up a thread that has become waaaayyy too serious.

BTW-why do you have to attend medical school to figure out what medicaid will and won't reimburse? I'm just asking because that seems to be the comment you nailed Medic for.

Thanks Shelley. For what its worth, Medicaid and Medicare do reimburse for OMT, not that it is relevent or matters, but it sounded like he was refuting that. Oh well, today is too good of a day to even care

 

[Docgeorge]

Thanks Shelley. For what its worth, Medicaid and Medicare do reimburse for OMT, not that it is relevent or matters, but it sounded like he was refuting that. Oh well, today is too good of a day to even care

Boy and how do they. We havent gotten this lecture yet but a second year last year told me that if you diagnosed and treated 1-2 regions on each of your pt's as an FP you could add any where from 75K to 120K a year on your income. I'm inclined to believe this there's a guy near Sac all he does in OMM and that guy is riding around in a brand new S-class.

 

[JMC_MarineCorps]

Boy and how do they. We havent gotten this lecture yet but a second year last year told me that if you diagnosed and treated 1-2 regions on each of your pt's as an FP you could add any where from 75K to 120K a year on your income. I'm inclined to believe this there's a guy near Sac all he does in OMM and that guy is riding around in a brand new S-class.

Looks like a "tool in the bag o' tricks" that is worth keeping! Who needs hard corps research to affirm whether it works or not...just as long as those reimbursement checks keep rolling in.

All this debate is a dead issue. Who cares if it 'works' or not? You're gonna get reimbursed for it! SIGN ME UP for that S-class.

Of course it works...anytime you touch a patient, he/she leaves the office felling good/better.

 

[daveyboy]

Of course it works...anytime you touch a patient, he/she leaves the office felling good/better.

And, hence, the need for a sham condition. Yup, what we really need is a sham.

I thought that...........nevermind.

 

[Shinken]

And, hence, the need for a sham condition. Yup, what we really need is a sham.

I thought that...........nevermind.

Are you talking about administering OMM to people to make them feel better?

Or are you talking about the evidence-based, scientific practice of prescribing a week's worth of antibiotics to people with viral infections such as the flu or ear aches secondary to flu?

Just wondering which sham you're referring to.

 

[Ypo.]

Are you talking about administering OMM to people to make them feel better?

Or are you talking about the evidence-based, scientific practice of prescribing a week's worth of antibiotics to people with viral infections such as the flu or ear aches secondary to flu?

Just wondering which sham you're referring to.

I wuv u, Shinken.