Why do people emigrate?

[*TRINITY*]

why do people leave India? is grass really greener abroad?

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[sunny123]

why do people leave India? is grass really greener abroad?

For the most part, they watch too many bollywood filims, and think they will all be rich, own multi-million dollar businesses, and build huge mansions. Some want to go to a N.American university for their education. Those who are already professionals (ie. doctors, phds), generally don't get an equivalent occupation when they come here (which is why you see alot of taxi drivers, parking lot attendents who are Indian). It's quite sad.

 

[the_maverick]

It's not the influence of movies , rather its the HERD effect that makes them want to leave . Migration , for higher studies , has become a fad ; so more and more ppl can be expected to follow the suit . Moreover , it isn't that all
or even the majority end up as Taxi Drivers . Indian doctors have done well abroad and their skills are now well respected.
Secondly , and more importantly , its the politics and the strange reservation policy that operates here , that prompt one to go abroad . A lot more than just talent is required to be successful here . And this is sad indeed .

 

[gwen]

that is an EXCELLENT question you've asked.

i've asked a lot of my friends why they moved here when they had relatively comfortable lives in india. many of them say that internal politics (not just government politics) frustrated them and that they didn't feel satisfied professionally. some want to subspecialize in a field that may not be as widely known in india.

many were disillisioned about the riches they may find in the US. and now realize what it truly is - so now they want to go back after they complete residency. some also think that their US experience will help them get better jobs in india.

in case you're wondering, i moved here when i was little...so blame my family. we left because kashmiris had no place left in india's heart.

oh yeah, maybe there are some doctors in nyc or something who are drivers there, but i have NEVER met an indian doctor who either didn't get a residency or did something just as professional here. in my experience almost 90% of indian docs work as docs here and are pretty damn good at it.

 

[sunny123]

It's not the influence of movies , rather its the HERD effect that makes them want to leave . Migration , for higher studies , has become a fad ; so more and more ppl can be expected to follow the suit . Moreover , it isn't that all
or even the majority end up as Taxi Drivers . Indian doctors have done well abroad and their skills are now well respected.
Secondly , and more importantly , its the politics and the strange reservation policy that operates here , that prompt one to go abroad . A lot more than just talent is required to be successful here . And this is sad indeed .

I am not speaking about America, I am rather speaking about the centre of the universe, aka Canada. Indians come here EVERY year thinking that they will somehow make the equivalent salary, if not more, than they were making in India. The amount of foreign medical residency positions is very small (only 25 in ALL of Ontario), which means that there is a high competition for the spots. Many have gone back to India, and they should have stayed there in the first place as they ended up losing a whole lot more in the process.

 

[Energon]

This is a very important issue. I sometimes really dont see why physicians trained in India come here. They have to re do their residency, they are almost excluded from all upper crust specialty and most of all the medical atmosphere really sucks here.

My dad graduated from KEM in the mid-late 70's. At the time most of his classmates migrated to the US. Opportunities in India at the time were limited, standard of living was low and most of all after they came here they made boat loads of money.

Today, it is almost reverse. The lifestyle in India is pretty good. Specialists in India make a very good living and most of all, physicians who migrate here will never make the kind of money that our previous generation made. I know of one person who graduated from a top university and at the top of his class as well. He likes Neurosurgery and could have got into into it... heck with his stats and his connections he could have walked into any specialty he wanted.... yet, he came to the US. Since he could not get a visa to come here and do residency, he is in the process of doing a PhD in public health (that he really has no interest in) after that he will apply for residency. As an IMG he will be limited in terms of what he can match into, neurosurgery is pretty much out.....

So my question is, why do people still do this? I grew up with this guy i mentioned before and he is undoubtedly one of the most brilliant kids I ever knew. Why would he give up his dream and most of all talent to be a neurosurgeon to come to the US? He could have made a great living in India, travelled to the US whenever he wanted to, could have sent his children to the US to be educated.

Do some of you guys out there shed some light on this?

 

[c_ma]

@AMMD what do u think about Dr.Sanjay Gupta then?

 

[BDS-DMD]

"Gupta received his undergraduate degree from the University of Michigan and a doctorate of medicine from the University of Michigan Medical Center."

 

[Energon]

Yes Sanjay Gupta is a person who was pretty much raised in the States. My question is to those who are born and educated in India. I am not against immigration or anything, infact my mother is an immigration attorney. My only question is for those in Medicine. It seems to me that sometimes people take another specialty or jump through way many hoops just to get to the United States. Is this because they have a wrong idea of how it is in the states? Or is it due to social pressure back in India to migrate? I was just wondering.

 

[allergic2morons]

we left because kashmiris had no place left in india's heart.

thats quite statement to make when india fought three war with pakistan on the issue of kashmir. To give u a little example - there are two seats each in every government run medical college in maharashtra reserved for the people from Jammu and kashmir and other troubled states of north east.

 

[shardul]

many were disillisioned about the riches they may find in the US. and now realize what it truly is - so now they want to go back after they complete residency. some also think that their US experience will help them get better jobs in india.

really!! i thought colombus was the last man to return from america!

hi A2M! log on to ur msn messanger

 

[*TRINITY*]

For the most part, they watch too many bollywood filims

never thought about this factor, good point! certainly films make going abroad more glamorous!

 

[*TRINITY*]

thats quite statement to make when india fought three war with pakistan on the issue of kashmir. To give u a little example - there are two seats each in every government run medical college in maharashtra reserved for the people from Jammu and kashmir and other troubled states of north east.

tito dont be so harsh yaar!! what about pakistan which also has gone to war with india on kashmir issue, does that mean pakistan also has place in its heart for Kashmiris. there is some truth to what gwen has said, its difficult to understand but sadly its true. Believe me, i'm also a Kashmiri!

 

[*TRINITY*]

Mohan: Me? Say the prayer? Uhhh... (what do I say??) .. uhh, ok. Dum maro, dum. Mithe jaaya gum. Bolo shubho shyam. Hare Krishna Hare Ram (x2).

Hey sunny dont u think ur signature need some correction?

i think it shoud be "meeT" (to end) instead "mithe" (sweet).

 

[sunny123]

Hey sunny dont u think ur signature need some correction?

i think it shoud be "meeT" (to end) instead "mithe" (sweet).

Actually, I wrote out the lines exactly the way the character in the movie "Where's the Party Yaar" said it.

I didn't want to correct it, because it shows how much Mohan is an ABCD.

 

[RTQPCR]

why do people leave India? is grass really greener abroad?

I'm US born and raised and I plan on moving to India (eventually) after medical training.

 

[samdwi]

why do people leave India? is grass really greener abroad?

The mass exodus of educated indians which left India during the 60s, 70s and 80s are now returning in large numbers as well-trained professionals looking to give their kids and grand-kids a proper taste of Indian life. Many (I mean MANY) are deciding to go back home to retire.

It took that first generation of Indian emigres about 30 years to realise that the grass was greener, but not sweeter, in the US/Australia/UK/Canada etc.

Not that Indians won't continue to try hard to leave India, but the rate they are coming back is increasing. Also, they're coming back because they WANT to, not because they HAVE to.

 

[fenil2005]

Every Indian in foriegn country is an immigrant directly or indirectly. I hate the idea when people say that I am a born citizen of America. But they forget that 20-30 years ago thier grandparents or parents immigrate from India. You know that everyone of us wants to live a good life. I am not saying that you cannot live a good life in India actually i am going to move to India and help my community there as a pharmacist. People have dreams about themselves and thier family. I beleive that everyone should follow thier dreams and whatever they enjoy. There are thousands of reasons why people immigrate to foreign countries. Here are some reasons what i think are most significant. Opportunity(Dreams), Money, Success, Corruption free(not 100%) government, Independency, nice surrounding i mean people who are very nice,supportive,competitive, and respect you whether you are rich,poor, black or white. Also, look at the types of crimes people commit in india. It is so shocking when you watch the TV programs they show on Indian channels. Crime is everywhere and it will be but you don't want those horrific crimes to occur against your children or family. I mean some people especially who don't get the chance or opportuity to go abroad become jealous towards the people who immigrate to foriegn countries. What is wrong if someone has the chance to go to; for example America, and work for 5-8 years make 50-70 lakhs (considering minimum wage and uneducated people). I don't think these uneducated people can earn this much amount of money if they work non-stop until they die. People in India say that he/she sacrificed the 5-8 years of his or her life just for money. But they don't think that one man's sacrifice can built a strong platform for the whole family. They can live the life they always wanted, they dreamt of. For me i feel i am fortunate to be born in india and to come to America for education and as a young adult. I dream myself working in India for a pharmaceutical company. You don't want to sit around at one place and waste your priceless life. Life is to explore yourself and your abilities and if u can do that successfully then i can gaurantee you will feel happy and satisfied at the end of your journey.

This is just my personal opinion do not i repeat do not take it too seriously. I appolizise if i have made any mistakes. thanks a great thread!!!!

 

[gwen]

many of the indian families that i've seen attempt to return to india have come back within months to a year of staying there. no matter how much they want to be back there and no matter how 'advanced' india has become and no matter which metropolitan city they've moved to - they cannot readjust to life in india. most of these families have been in the US for many, many years.

as far as "proper taste of india" - yes, that would be a great reason to try to go back for things like religion, culture, language. but please don't be fooled if you think of india being better for kids in terms of "good influence on kids". the things i've personally seen and heard about teenagers or young adults in india is probably just as bad if not the same as in the US. indians in the US try MUCH harder to keep their children in tune with the culture and morals than people in india (b/c its taken forgranted...and then indian kids want to emulate the western culture). its an interesting phenomenon.

i personally feel that people who come here, stay for a few years, and have most of their family in india, may be able to adjust a little bit better. but i don't see people who've been here forever, returning to india forever. most of these people end up spending 6 months here and 6 months there. they are usually in their 50s/60s, retired, and are trying to take care of some family in india.

its very easy to say that you plan to return...but the reality is that you probably won't. if you do, more power to ya and congrats!

bitter, but true, words from a hindustani-american

 

[IllinoisStudent]

tito dont be so harsh yaar!! what about pakistan which also has gone to war with india on kashmir issue, does that mean pakistan also has place in its heart for Kashmiris. there is some truth to what gwen has said, its difficult to understand but sadly its true. Believe me, i'm also a Kashmiri!

Kashmir has become a matter of national pride for both countries. Neither people in Karachi nor Delhi care about the life of a common Kashmiri. Pakistan keeps sending militants that kill Kashmiris. On the other hand, I have also read news about Indian military occasionally carrying out atrocities on Kashmiris out of frustation.

All it comes down to in the end is religion. I would guess that both Kashmiris on the forum thinking that Indians have no place left in their heart for Kashmir are Muslims.

One one side, India is trying to reaffirm its secularism by giving all kinds of special previliges to Muslims in India (reservations, separate Muslim laws, special discounts on religious travels for Muslims), while Pakistan wants Kashmir because majority of the Kashmiri population is Muslim now. The disappointment of both Kashmiris on the forum shows how miserably Indian government is failing in its policy of appeasement. It is interesting because none of the Muslim countries in the world give subsidies for travel to Mecca. None of the secular countries in the world have reservations based on religion or special laws for Muslims.

 

[RTQPCR]

Every Indian in foriegn country is an immigrant directly or indirectly. I hate the idea when people say that I am a born citizen of America. But they forget that 20-30 years ago thier grandparents or parents immigrate from India.

Hi Fenil,
I'm curious, why do you hate when people say they were born in the US? My parents moved from India to the US 30+ years ago. I am a second generation immigrant. These are facts that are impossible for me to forget. When I state I was born and raised in the US, I am conveying my identity. I think this identity is distinct from a naturalized US citizen that was raised in India. Not better or worse, just different, and each may have advantages depending on circumstance. I don't always make this distinction, but if I say I plan on one day settling in India, I think it is worth noting that I wasn't born or raised there. I have never had a home in India, but plan on making one there.
Peace,
R

 

[gwen]

"All it comes down to in the end is religion. I would guess that both Kashmiris on the forum thinking that Indians have no place left in their heart for Kashmir are Muslims."

ahh, my friend, you are wrong. i'm as Hindu as they get - I'm a Kashmiri Pandit. and i still say that indians did not and could not care less about Kashmir. it is only now that indians are waking up to the plight of kashmir thanks to the media and the internet (ironically, the indians in the US know even less about Kashmir, it sickens me - if I ever state that I'm going to India for a visit, I get asked, "So are you going to Kashmir first?" - NO, you fool...there are practically no Hindus left there - where would I go? Who would I see? Do I want to risk my life all over again like I did in the late 80s and early 90s? My house, my poor house, has been taken over by the Indian military. The only indians who cared enough were our javans, but obviously because they had to - those poor guys are placed there by the ridiculous government that india has. India would rather offer aid to Pakistan rather than take care of Kashmir. It just stuck a little bandaid on the real issue. Just imagine - India offers aid to Pakistan for the earthquake and guess what Pakistan says - "we'll take your planes and aid, but only our Pakistani pilots shall fly your planes". How ridiculous!? India will never stop being such an appeaser. When was the last time Pakistan offered aid to India?

You're right, its a matter of pride. I don't take sides with Pakistan or India. I obviously grew up as an Indian and a Kashmiri. I take pride in my Hindustani background, but I'm ashamed that my country did not stop the mass exodus in the 90's. Kashmiri Pandits are too small of a community to have fought the battle alone - and we still lost many lives.

Anyway - so bottom line - I'm Hindu, not Muslim.

 

[uhoh!]

Every Indian in foriegn country is an immigrant directly or indirectly. I hate the idea when people say that I am a born citizen of America. But they forget that 20-30 years ago thier grandparents or parents immigrate from India.

dude, breathe easy!no need to foam at the mouth!every body in the US is an immigrant, except the native americans..
and does nationality/religion really define a person?is it possible or fair to say,"because (s)he is XYZ, (s)he will be ..." these are broad strokes, which help give us a sense of belonging..like a club.
stay in the US, or go back..that decision will be guided by what you feel at the time of making the decision, no matter how strongly you feel it now.i agree that it is best to accept the fact that you are in the US because India could not give you what you wanted at this point in time.doesn't mean you are saying india is bad(and even if you are, what's wrong with criticizing your country?).i plan to enjoy the student experience in the US while it lasts..

 

[uhoh!]

why do people leave India? is grass really greener abroad?

no.we like wasting money and time, and hate the comfort of family,friends and familiar surroundings.
and we like the coffee they serve in the US consulates..

 

[fenil2005]

I don't hate anyone, not even Osama bin laden. But i don't like him either. I beleive that any muslim guy/gal can become Osama anytime anywhere including Kashmiris who are Indians like me. Why only Muslims not Hindu or christians because they don't follow the same religion as Osama follows which is Islam .Note for Muslim people who think that i am talking against them and thier religion. Guess what , i am not . I beleive in a person and not his religion. I start respecting life more every morning i wake up and feel lucky to be alive after watching those stupid/idiots(Suicide Bombers) who blow themself up on the name of religion, a fight so called "Jihad". I read some people here talking about Kashmir in this thread. If you feel so bad about the situation of Kashmir why don't you do something about it. You start to blame the Indian Government which is not doing anything, so are you. SO shut the F**k up and stop talking BS. You cannot blame the government because people make the government. I think there is no reason to fight. Kashmir belongs to India. How can Pakistan say that oh ya give us kashmir. Pakistan is supporting terror camps in Pakistan to take Kashmir from India. If Pakistan is so sure that Kashmir belong to them then bring thier A** in the war and fight for it. Which country supported pakistan the most after the earthquake? Undoubtfully it's India and they are destroying the country which is very supportive towards them when they really needed it.
Here is the answer for your question, I think it doesn't matter whether i was born in India or some Jungle in Africa. It won't change a single thing about me or my life. You make your identity yourself not by birth in some country. You should be equally proud of yourself as i am about being indian that you were born in USA the strongest nation in the world. I like the history and basis for the formation of this great country. Its not like if you are born here you are meant to do something for this nation. In my view you do whatever you like and makes you happy. You may end up going to middle east and do something there that you want to do in your life. For example mother teressa. She spent most of her life in india and achieved what many of us in american might or may not achieve. I didn't mean to say hate. I am sorry for that. I don't know a whole lot about you but i wish you good luck and success ahead of you.
Peace i am outta here!!!! time to go to bed.

 

[all2th]

I love this:

Never argue with an idiot; people might have trouble telling you apart.

 

[gwen]

dude, what are you talking about? you are totally off topic. and i AM doing something about kashmir, unlike you who is just discussing this on a forum. i wasn't born here in the US, i had to leave kashmir b/c no one cared to help us. do you know how many kashmiris were discriminated against in the rest of india post-1990? i can only think of one or two states that were accomodating. you wanted me, a 10 year old girl back then, to fight the terrorists?? do you know what a refugee is?? have you heard of darfur, sudan, rwanda? did you expect the people who were being killed like that...a minority...to put up a big fight while the rest of india watched (actually, they didn't watch, they didn't even know about it thanks to the indian govt). so don't pull your cussing out to _attempt_ to make a point...learn to be civil on this forum. and when you say "Kashmir belongs to India" - i actually question that a lot. i would never have thought that way even 5 years ago, but after many of my experiences and conversations with people like you, i question if Kashmir does belong to India. dude, go over your south asian history - this topic is not as simple as you wanting kashmir to belong to india.

i should take the last guy's advice...it is ridiculous to argue with an idiot.

I don't hate anyone, not even Osama bin laden. But i don't like him either. I beleive that any muslim guy/gal can become Osama anytime anywhere including Kashmiris who are Indians like me. Why only Muslims not Hindu or christians because they don't follow the same religion as Osama follows which is Islam .Note for Muslim people who think that i am talking against them and thier religion. Guess what , i am not . I beleive in a person and not his religion. I start respecting life more every morning i wake up and feel lucky to be alive after watching those stupid/idiots(Suicide Bombers) who blow themself up on the name of religion, a fight so called "Jihad". I read some people here talking about Kashmir in this thread. If you feel so bad about the situation of Kashmir why don't you do something about it. You start to blame the Indian Government which is not doing anything, so are you. SO shut the F**k up and stop talking BS. You cannot blame the government because people make the government. I think there is no reason to fight. Kashmir belongs to India. How can Pakistan say that oh ya give us kashmir. Pakistan is supporting terror camps in Pakistan to take Kashmir from India. If Pakistan is so sure that Kashmir belong to them then bring thier A** in the war and fight for it. Which country supported pakistan the most after the earthquake? Undoubtfully it's India and they are destroying the country which is very supportive towards them when they really needed it.
Here is the answer for your question, I think it doesn't matter whether i was born in India or some Jungle in Africa. It won't change a single thing about me or my life. You make your identity yourself not by birth in some country. You should be equally proud of yourself as i am about being indian that you were born in USA the strongest nation in the world. I like the history and basis for the formation of this great country. Its not like if you are born here you are meant to do something for this nation. In my view you do whatever you like and makes you happy. You may end up going to middle east and do something there that you want to do in your life. For example mother teressa. She spent most of her life in india and achieved what many of us in american might or may not achieve. I didn't mean to say hate. I am sorry for that. I don't know a whole lot about you but i wish you good luck and success ahead of you.
Peace i am outta here!!!! time to go to bed.

 

[all2th]

i should take the last guy's advice...it is ridiculous to argue with an idiot.

I am a girl... I TOLD YOU SO!!!!

 

[fenil2005]

dude, what are you talking about? you are totally off topic. and i AM doing something about kashmir, unlike you who is just discussing this on a forum. i wasn't born here in the US, i had to leave kashmir b/c no one cared to help us. do you know how many kashmiris were discriminated against in the rest of india post-1990? i can only think of one or two states that were accomodating. you wanted me, a 10 year old girl back then, to fight the terrorists?? do you know what a refugee is?? have you heard of darfur, sudan, rwanda? did you expect the people who were being killed like that...a minority...to put up a big fight while the rest of india watched (actually, they didn't watch, they didn't even know about it thanks to the indian govt). so don't pull your cussing out to _attempt_ to make a point...learn to be civil on this forum. and when you say "Kashmir belongs to India" - i actually question that a lot. i would never have thought that way even 5 years ago, but after many of my experiences and conversations with people like you, i question if Kashmir does belong to India. dude, go over your south asian history - this topic is not as simple as you wanting kashmir to belong to india.

i should take the last guy's advice...it is ridiculous to argue with an idiot.
dude, what are you talking about? you are totally off topic. and i AM doing something about kashmir, unlike you who is just discussing this on a forum. i wasn't born here in the US, i had to leave kashmir b/c no one cared to help us. do you know how many kashmiris were discriminated against in the rest of india post-1990? i can only think of one or two states that were accomodating. you wanted me, a 10 year old girl back then, to fight the terrorists?? do you know what a refugee is?? have you heard of darfur, sudan, rwanda? did you expect the people who were being killed like that...a minority...to put up a big fight while the rest of india watched (actually, they didn't watch, they didn't even know about it thanks to the indian govt). so don't pull your cussing out to _attempt_ to make a point...learn to be civil on this forum. and when you say "Kashmir belongs to India" - i actually question that a lot. i would never have thought that way even 5 years ago, but after many of my experiences and conversations with people like you, i question if Kashmir does belong to India. dude, go over your south asian history - this topic is not as simple as you wanting kashmir to belong to india.

i should take the last guy's advice...it is ridiculous to argue with an idiot.
Ok Madam or a lil 10 year old girl, But if i am not mistaken you are telling me that Kashmir doesn't belong to India. In that scenario, Kashmir then belongs to Pakistan or it can be a nation by itself thats what you are trying to discuss on this forum. Let me tell you one thing, I know Indian history better than you do. you go check out the indian history book from your 5th grade there was a treaty signed between the Muslim league and the First Indian constitution to make new Muslim nation now called Pakistan and divide india into two parts. Those whites divided us before they left India. At that time i don't think Kashmir was an issue. For the matter of fact Pakistan was part of India. I live in florida Spain can't fight against the U.S govenment and start giving excuses like oh florida belonged to the spanish people get the hell out of here. I am in the U.S military(served in Iraq last year came back in may) and trying to get into pharmacy college. Did you ask me about refugee and about the people who suffer as a result of war? Think again. Also, why you think that people who lived for years in U.S can't get adjusted in India. Have you ever been to Mumbai (state of Maratha's), Bangalore, Chennai and the list goes on. I don't think there would any problems getting adjusted at the places i mentioned above. They have the Best schools, colleges, Bollywood, software companies, you just name it. By the way where do you live in U.S and what you do? I don't think you are into hollywood or a senator or Donald trumph, or Opera Winfrey so that it will be hard to give up this luxurious life and go to india. One of my couzin is a dentists in India she can come to USA and make thousands of dollars anytime she wants, but she said i don't like to go to America and i said fine. You said lot of things about culture, language blah blah blah then i think its better than America then why don't you like to be in India. Why can't you get adjusted to Indian lifestyle if you like everything about it. You said that the parents of indian teenagers in India don't keep thier children tuned with culture and morals. I think you can teach those things when the Child is young and you said you were in Kashmir at the age of 10. SO i guess you don't have any culture or moral values. By the way i was grown up in India and i am better than those American teenagers(not all there are some 10 times better than me) including Bitc*es who lie to their parent get drunk in the after party's and you know the rest that takes place after that. I don't think this much freedom is allowed to indian girls. Also, you said that"then indian kids want to emulate the western culture" hey you can become westernize why can't they. They just wearing the western clothes, Hairstyle etc. You don't go to college wearing a saree or a salwar. Don't you? If i make 5 lakhs rupees working as a pharmacist i will go to India. And the time i spent in America,U.K or Africa won't become an obstacle in getting adjusted there. It won't make any difference whether you are a Hindu kashmiri or a Muslim Kashmiri what point you were trying to convey there. Thats racism and thats why there are no pandits in kashmir. Oh we can't shake hands with people who eat pork or chiken. Get all those things out of your head and treat everybody equally no matter of thier ststus or religion and see hpw much improvement will take place in Kashmir or India.
You know what i am not going to waste my time to convice people what is good and bad. I want to do good stuff in my life and enjoy everything i have. Not complain about stuff and waste my time.

 

[RTQPCR]

The JW Marriott in Juhu kicks ass

 

[fenil2005]

To ALL2th
what the hell I know you are a girl and you got two B**BS and a Va*ina but unfortunately no brain. I think, You have no manners or anything. when two intelligent people are talking or discussing something u don't bring ur A** in between there discussion. Remember this and you will be successful too.

 

[all2th]

 

[fenil2005]

What you have to say about the bomb blasts in Delhi? See Pakistani Terrorists are bit**es. Kahmir is not the only problem that india has becuase of Pakistan. It's way too complicated.

 

[leorl]

This is an interesting topic. But I'll have to remind all posters to please remain civil, courteous and cut out the personal attacks. Thank you.

 

[ramesh]

friend they are adjusted to life in u s but india is their birth place they knew how beautiful it is how are the relations there and the love they get there. they can never get so many loving people and caring people. we should be proud to be indian and we should come back to india after finishing our work in u s when they land in india they will feel they they warm welcome of our motherland and the breeze of love. i hope all the indians will come back after thier work in india.

 

[uhoh!]

hey guys..don't you think its silly to get sooo stressed out thinking in terms of narrow political borders created by those bloody british?? i mean, come on!india and pakistan can keep bitch-slapping each other, but it is actually the poms who are to blame for bending india over and $cr#wing it senseless..they are the true tyrants.don't forget jalianwalla bagh, and the countless similar atrocities they committed over the 300 years.we do not remember,because public memory is short.fight the pakis? bah!what can pakistan give india that we don't already have? better try to get the british to return at least a percentage of the resources they stole from us(both india and pak) to make theirs a "developed" nation..

now when you finally wrap your brains around that one, think a moment of each and every battle-ground on earth..millions died for expanding kingdoms which barely lasted a few hundred years..and for what?to feed their king's greed.as of today who(apart from historians- morbid curiosity,i say!) cares from where to where King/Sultan XYZ's kingdom extended..and if we are (un)fortunate enough to live for another 100 years, we might see the fall/integration of both our countries.

one would think education(being doctors) would also give the rabid pro- and anti- ones some sense of perspective..we,of all people, should have the ability to see beyond man made differences(nation, religion) to appreciate how similar all people are within.what matters in the is not where you choose to practice.after all, if you are going to be a doctor in the US, its not as if there are no sick people here, or that they are all rich,and so deserve to die.what matters is how sincerely and honestly you do practice to the best of your ability. just because you return to india(or whatever specific region you choose to foam in the mouth over) doesn't make you a good human being.

instead of hoping all doctors return to india, i hope only those who are any good return. we have enough home-grown charlatans robbing the rich and the poor alike. i hope that those who return do so of their own free wil..and those who do stay back, please remember the ideals of medicine, and First, do no harm.

 

[Shah_Patel_PT]

I'm US born and raised and I plan on moving to India (eventually) after medical training.

easy said then done...

 

[RTQPCR]

easy said then done...

I agree, but isn't everything that way? Life's about adventure, challenge, and overcoming obstacles. I've done my research and talked to the right people, it's completely doable. Don't be a hater!

 

[montesi_formula]

I think India and Pakistan should understand and recognize that we truly are one nation. We are people of the same race, we share a common glorious history
. The people who divided us (read "THE British") have wedged a valley so deep
between the people of our two nations that even after 50 years of independence we are bickering over questions that can probably never be solved.

The question is not whether Kashmir belongs to India or Pakistan. The question is why do we harbour so much hate angainst each other for no particular reason.
Why are we wasting our valuable resources and making the coffers of USA grow
bigger.

I really hope that the boundaries between India and Pakistan break like the Berlin wall. But until we get progressive leaders who are willing to leave the past diffrences behind them, it will take a very long time to become a reality.

 

[organized_chaos]

http://www.studentbmj.com/issues/05/12/life/474.php

pretty much summarises it all.

 

[saijal]

I am in a similar situation. I am studying medicine in the UK and want to move to India as soon as I graduate. Do you know if UK qualification is recognised in India, or if there is some sort of conversion course that you have to do?

 

[psrai85]

tito dont be so harsh yaar!! what about pakistan which also has gone to war with india on kashmir issue, does that mean pakistan also has place in its heart for Kashmiris. there is some truth to what gwen has said, its difficult to understand but sadly its true. Believe me, i'm also a Kashmiri!

Haha....there's no damm truth to what tito has said. India has done a lot for kashmiri's...this is comming from a someone who's lived first 16yrs of his life in kashmir and then came to Canada. The main reason my family came here was for my education. I'd have gone into Indian Army if stayed there.

I've seen the fighting etc first hand in the heart of kashmir and seen Indian army do stuff beyond anyone's expectations. If not for them, millitants from across the border would destroy kashmir. They dont' care about anyone or kashmiri ppl, but the money and the political benefit.

 

[psrai85]

dude, what are you talking about? you are totally off topic. and i AM doing something about kashmir, unlike you who is just discussing this on a forum. i wasn't born here in the US, i had to leave kashmir b/c no one cared to help us. do you know how many kashmiris were discriminated against in the rest of india post-1990? i can only think of one or two states that were accomodating. you wanted me, a 10 year old girl back then, to fight the terrorists?? do you know what a refugee is?? have you heard of darfur, sudan, rwanda? did you expect the people who were being killed like that...a minority...to put up a big fight while the rest of india watched (actually, they didn't watch, they didn't even know about it thanks to the indian govt). so don't pull your cussing out to _attempt_ to make a point...learn to be civil on this forum. and when you say "Kashmir belongs to India" - i actually question that a lot. i would never have thought that way even 5 years ago, but after many of my experiences and conversations with people like you, i question if Kashmir does belong to India. dude, go over your south asian history - this topic is not as simple as you wanting kashmir to belong to india.

i should take the last guy's advice...it is ridiculous to argue with an idiot.

Yea, okay

 

[$!n!$+er]

infact when u go to other part's of India, people love you cause ur kashmiri.

Yeah very true!

did u see Gurukul, wasn't it a Kashmiri who won it??????? How come he won if Indian ppl hate kashmiri's

Rofl dude!! i still cant stop laughing..... get life dude, there are many better things to do in life than to follow fame gurukul while living in canada.

quazi won the title becoz he was kashmiri and other thing which helped him was his looks..... man he looked like somebody straight out of Byculla zoo!

 

[psrai85]

Yeah very true!





Rofl dude!! i still cant stop laughing..... get life dude, there are many better things to do in life than to follow fame gurukul while living in canada.

quazi won the title becoz he was kashmiri and other thing which helped him was his looks..... man he looked like somebody straight out of Byculla zoo!

lol. I just watched an episode and was curious cause he was from north. Since u know its called Fame gurukul, and how he looked i'm sure u've watched it too.

Meh, i'll watch what i feel like, if u read the whole thread, i was just trying to show that kashmiri's are not hated.

I'm not sure if u were born in NA, if u were then u won't get my pt.

 

[$!n!$+er]

Meh, i'll watch what i feel like, if u read the whole thread, i was just trying to show that kashmiri's are not hated.

Yeah sure dude! watch what u like... i jus said what i thought... Point i'm trying to make is that People are loved coz they r "Kashmiri" otherwise they dont give a **** to where u come from.

I'm not sure if u were born in NA, if u were then u won't get my pt.

I do get ur point dude... i was born and brought up in india and currently studying medicine in India.

 

[UICpremed]

Well, I think people emigrated before for the quality of life abroad. There were so many road blocks to get even simple things done before (ie 70s and 80s).

Quality of life abroad was good. It was good money. So people left... including my uncle who is a Dr. who arrived here in the 70s.

As for things now... things are changing and there are lots of improvements. If you have enough money, life is good in India.... otherwise you have to struggle or live on a lower standard of living.

That good life comes with good opportunities which are now coming up with globalization/privatization and what not. I mean just compared to 10 years back, there are not so many people emigrating out of India now... because of so many more opportunities.

I really believe this century India will move forward leaps and bounds.

 

[childrensdoc]

Hi there,
Interesting discussion,
I think the main reason for people not able to adjust to India is the social system, the corruption and Lack of infrastructure. When I was in India last time, there were frequent electricity cuts, biting mosquitoes, and it used to take me 5 minutes just to open the Yahoo home page , and the internet connection used to get disrupted without any rhyme or reason, just like the electricity.So, though I, like every Hindustani, want to go back to India at some point, these things seem to dampen my morale.
It all seems nice to read on paper about brain drain, and that young professionals must return back to India etc etc, but where is the basic infrastructure?? Also, all is not as rosy as it seems with medicine in India. There is lot of malpractice, government hospitals are crap and without any facilities, and private practice is dominated by politics, casteism and giving undertable commission for referring patients.
I hope this clears the doubts of American Desis about Why Indian Desis want to come to America.
Cheers [

QUOTE=gwen]many of the indian families that i've seen attempt to return to india have come back within months to a year of staying there. no matter how much they want to be back there and no matter how 'advanced' india has become and no matter which metropolitan city they've moved to - they cannot readjust to life in india. most of these families have been in the US for many, many years.

as far as "proper taste of india" - yes, that would be a great reason to try to go back for things like religion, culture, language. but please don't be fooled if you think of india being better for kids in terms of "good influence on kids". the things i've personally seen and heard about teenagers or young adults in india is probably just as bad if not the same as in the US. indians in the US try MUCH harder to keep their children in tune with the culture and morals than people in india (b/c its taken forgranted...and then indian kids want to emulate the western culture). its an interesting phenomenon.

i personally feel that people who come here, stay for a few years, and have most of their family in india, may be able to adjust a little bit better. but i don't see people who've been here forever, returning to india forever. most of these people end up spending 6 months here and 6 months there. they are usually in their 50s/60s, retired, and are trying to take care of some family in india.

its very easy to say that you plan to return...but the reality is that you probably won't. if you do, more power to ya and congrats!

bitter, but true, words from a hindustani-american[/QUOTE]

 

[www.doctor]

Its all about the 5o factor.

1 dollar ~ Rs. 50

So lots of money. They earn in US and invest that in India.

Nowadays in India, every female doctor wants to marry a US doctor.

 

[Shah_Patel_PT]

Its all about the 5o factor.

1 dollar ~ Rs. 50

So lots of money. They earn in US and invest that in India.

Nowadays in India, every female doctor wants to marry a US doctor.

lol....any interested female docs can PM me!