What do single women think of a male OB/GYN?

[drlisa0318]

Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Very true. I think Solomon said it best: Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise the wisdom of thy words. (Prov. 23:9) The tongue of the wise useth knowledge aright: but the mouth of fools poureth out foolishness. (Prov. 15:2)

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[Dr.V]

I was just reading through the different forums and found this thread. Some of the posts by Janice quite disturbing. She gives the idea of using herbal birth control pills. This would be a wrong choice for anyopne looking for alternatives. These pills have not been tested for their safety and have not been studied.
By the way Janice, trying to test the knowledge of highly trained specialists thats plain foolish. All of them undergo thousands of hours training before they can actually set foot and practice. All tests have been designed for a reason. These are all standardised tests designed to screen out the most harmful dieases from the general population.

 

[starayamoskva]

This thread, let alone this board is for anybody who wants to post on it. Why should anybody listen to all of this bull on this board, just because you put on a white lab coat. Any nucklehead can wear one of those coats. you buy them all day long from J.C. Penny's Stores. You can even find them in the goodwill, and to think I use to wear one? As for being beaten with experience, people without it are still in the dark.

1. The intention of this board, this section in particular is to provide a common port of communication for people who are in an OBGyn residency and/or those who have an interest in and/or a desire to be in one.
2. Putting on a white coat is not equivelent to putting in 4 years of undergraduate training, 4 years of medical school and 4-6 years of residency/specialty training.
3. Enough said

 

[Mr_Money]

Janice,

Please get some psychiatric help.

 

[Janice]

I was just reading through the different forums and found this thread. Some of the posts by Janice quite disturbing. She gives the idea of using herbal birth control pills. This would be a wrong choice for anyopne looking for alternatives. These pills have not been tested for their safety and have not been studied.
By the way Janice, trying to test the knowledge of highly trained specialists thats plain foolish. All of them undergo thousands of hours training before they can actually set foot and practice. All tests have been designed for a reason. These are all standardised tests designed to screen out the most harmful dieases from the general population.

Men can get Viagra over the net which means no rectal/prostate exam. Why shouldn't women be able to get birth control pills over the net, which means no exam for them? Neither sex wants the exams and now they don't have to have them. Behold, The Internet! Besides, herbs in any form don't require exams of any kind before purchasing them. Some of them no doubt have been tested, and others have not, but that doesn't matter either. It's a well known fact that not all prescription drugs the medical establishment recommends is best. Whether it is prescribed for a man or a woman. The main reason - the side effects. Herbs were once the only medicine people had and doctors gave them to take for whatever the illness. Now there's the pharmacies, and their special brew. Not exactly the best either. Besides, upon graduation from medical school, it will be the public (the patient), that will test the knowledge of the so-called highly trained specialist. Medical school is a fortress my friend. The real world is a battlefield. Armageddon is upon some of them. They will soon be leaving for the battlefield.

The net offers birth control, vitality, breast enlargement, cancer prevention and a lot else. The net is friend to all, enemy to none.

 

[Janice]

Janice,

Please get some psychiatric help.

Yeah right. If that's the case, then the whole world needs psychiatric help for expessing opinions and voiceing and having rights. You got a problem with that? You probably have. Do yourself a favor and take your own advice.

 

[DrMom]

Men can get Viagra over the net ....
The net offers birth control, vitality, breast enlargement, cancer prevention and a lot else. The net is friend to all, enemy to none.

So now you're promoting illegal internet "prescriptions" and medical quackery? I'm not sure why you're posting here. You're not going to change our minds from the actual scientific information we've been taught and you're not going to listen to informed medical opinions.

 

[Janice]

Then let me teach you something about spelling.

There is no z in the word "surprised", and there's a silent k at the beginning of "knucklehead".

If you're going to attempt to insult somebody, at least spell the insults correctly. Although, if you really do want someone to listen to you, it's probably best to not start out by flinging around accusations and namecalling (well, unless you're 7).

*steals popcorn from Drakensoul, passes him a coke*

What's more important, the spelling of the insults, or the meaning behind the message?

 

[Neuron]

What's more important, the spelling of the insults, or the meaning behind the message?

What meaning?

 

[Dr.V]

Janice,
You are making a fool out of your self by writing God knows what!!!
You have no idea, what medication is for what! the amount of research that is done on each drug n before it hits the market!
Certain drugs like cough medicine, pain medicine can be bought over the counter. The have their own side effects.
Birth control pills are hormones. They have to be given by at best a doctor. If you want some third rate qurck pushing you these drugs for his own good. Go ahead and buy it. Note that when you land up in complications, I hope you will not, then I'm sure you will land up in the ER and our beloved GYN physician will take care of ya

 

[Sweet Tea]

What's more important, the spelling of the insults, or the meaning behind the message?

Neither. It's the fact that you don't have the ability to disagree without resorting to insults combined with the fact that you don't have the intelligence to spell the insults correctly. You're making yourself look childish and stupid.

(and that's coming from a girl with a 2-year-old for an avatar...)

 

[rxfudd]

They say one thing to the public, but another behind closed doors. And no, not every proceedure is right for every woman. If the right kind of survey is given, you'd be surprized what a lot of people in health care actually thought. You would be surprized.

I'm not so certain we'd be as surprised as you'd think, you know, considering WE ARE THOSE PEOPLE IN HEALTH CARE......

Will someone please kill this thread - fun is fun, but this basket case is starting to get old...

 

[Global Disrobal]

"proceedure," "surprized..."

Anyone else smell CigaWeed???

Janice, a heart felt Thank You from myself and the residents at my program. We all shared a good laugh at your expense during lunch while we read your inspiring words.

Best of luck with the Ephedra, Kava Kava, douches, etc.

 

[fab4fan]

Funny, I was just reading a thread at a nurses' website that dealt with this topic. While there were some who felt strongly about having female OB/GYNs, the majority felt that it was more important that the doc be skilled and compassionate...gender was irrelevant.

 

[Janice]

What meaning?

That should be understood. In case you don't know, preferences, rights, etc., are more important.

 

[Drakensoul]

LoL, yes, please continue to compare birth control (HORMONE) pills, with Viagra (NON-HORMONE) pills.

That's awesome.

Not to mention the fact that they're both prescription, which means unless you're getting them illegally, you have to see a doctor for either. The reason you need exams to get birth-control pills is that they're HORMONE pills, and can have all sorts of side-effects, e.g. blood clots, stroke, gallbladder disease, hypertension...

But yeah, I mean, sure, that's a great comparison.

I totally agree.. women should be able to get birth-control pills without an exam, because I can get tylenol without an exam.

Jesus christ..

 

[Janice]

I'm not so certain we'd be as surprised as you'd think, you know, considering WE ARE THOSE PEOPLE IN HEALTH CARE......

Will someone please kill this thread - fun is fun, but this basket case is starting to get old...

Old things are golden and even sought after. Your not the only ones in health care. Divers dive deep for buried treasures. They're not looking for the latest fashion of things. It is however, very fortunate that not everybody thinks like you.

 

[Janice]

LoL, yes, please continue to compare birth control (HORMONE) pills, with Viagra (NON-HORMONE) pills.

That's awesome.

Not to mention the fact that they're both prescription, which means unless you're getting them illegally, you have to see a doctor for either. The reason you need exams to get birth-control pills is that they're HORMONE pills, and can have all sorts of side-effects, e.g. blood clots, stroke, gallbladder disease, hypertension...

But yeah, I mean, sure, that's a great comparison.

I totally agree.. women should be able to get birth-control pills without an exam, because I can get tylenol without an exam.

Jesus christ..

That's why herbal products don't require exams. They're natural products that the drug companies have not changed/altered the chemical composition of to market it for profit. Natural hormones don't require an exam. Most of the natural type herbs don't have the side effects found in the prescription pills. The medical establishment knew the side effects of birth-control pills, which is why they required an exam. They knew they were marketing a pill to the public, especially to women, that was going to cause changes and problems in that area of the body. Yet they fed women this bull sh**t! The medical establishment told them they would stay young and attractive, they would have a better marriage, they told them whatever they wanted to, but the truth is; THEY TOLD WOMEN A LIE! You continue to get your tylenol without a prescription. Give me a break! Rectal/prostate exams are done for the man seeking Viagra if he goes to a doctor. Some doctors might elect not to do one on a man, but wouldn't hesitate to do a pelvic/rectal on a woman if she wanted a sexual stimulant as oppose to birth control pills.

 

[Janice]

Neither. It's the fact that you don't have the ability to disagree without resorting to insults combined with the fact that you don't have the intelligence to spell the insults correctly. You're making yourself look childish and stupid.

(and that's coming from a girl with a 2-year-old for an avatar...)

It's not the spelling of the insults that I'm concerned with. It's the ablility to voice my opinion and share my views. Since the meaning of the message is not important to you, don't burden yourself with any incorrect spelling. Especially of so-called insults. Maybe your 2-year old can teach you a thing or two, but your 2 year old can teach me exactly nothing. Neither is your 2 year old a member of the medical establishment. If he/she ever does become a member of this highly criticised establishment, they will enter into an entirely different world as they know it, and it will never be the same for them. They might just find they can do little or nothing to change it.

 

[DrMom]

I'd like to point out that we can all give Janice sound scientific advice until we're blue in the face...but it is very clear that she's not going to listen to it.

If we stop responding, this thread can go on and die a peaceful death.

 

[Janice]

I'd like to point out that we can all give Janice sound scientific advice until we're blue in the face...but it is very clear that she's not going to listen to it.

If we stop responding, this thread can go on and die a peaceful death.

Your life might be based on scientific advice, but mine and a lot of others like me, life is not built on scientifics. Life is more than scientifics, dear.

 

[neilc]

Your life might be based on scientific advice, but mine and a lot of others like me, life is not built on scientifics. Life is more than scientifics, dear.

yes, your life is built on imagination and ingnorance. enjoy it!

and, i for one, do not want this thread to die...it is better than anything on TV this season, thas fo sho.

 

[neilc]

That's why herbal products don't require exams. They're natural products that the drug companies have not changed/altered the chemical composition of to market it for profit. Natural hormones don't require an exam. Most of the natural type herbs don't have the side effects found in the prescription pills.

quite possibly the dumbest thing on this thread, and that is saying something. not for profit? so, the drug companies are evil for profit empires (well, that much is true) while the supplement industry is giving all the money to charity? not altered? the "chemical compostition" that is not altered is often not constant, so when taking these herbal products, you are often not getting a consistent dose. these compounds have often not been well studied, so there is no basis for you to say whether side effects exist or not.

wise up...

 

[Sweet Tea]

I'd like to point out that we can all give Janice sound scientific advice until we're blue in the face...but it is very clear that she's not going to listen to it.

If we stop responding, this thread can go on and die a peaceful death.

oh, c'mon DrMom...I've got popcorn AND caramels and I'm willing to share. I've even got a diet pepsi with your name on it.

 

[DrMom]

oh, c'mon DrMom...I've got popcorn AND caramels and I'm willing to share. I've even got a diet pepsi with your name on it.

I have a feeling we're being had, but there is an entertainment value to it. *takes the diet pepsi*

 

[Sweet Tea]

I have a feeling we're being had, but there is an entertainment value to it. *takes the diet pepsi*

 

[MoosePilot]

That's why herbal products don't require exams. They're natural products that the drug companies have not changed/altered the chemical composition of to market it for profit. Natural hormones don't require an exam. Most of the natural type herbs don't have the side effects found in the prescription pills.

Yeah, natural products are much safer. I personally like cocaine, a natural extract of a plant grown in Columbia, much like coffee. It's just a little "pick-me-up", perfectly natural and safe

Or you could smoke tobacco leaves, they're really safe and natural, too.

 

[Drakensoul]

They knew they were marketing a pill to the public, especially to women, that was going to cause changes and problems in that area of the body.

The side-effects are common knowledge. That's what happens when you make hormonal changes to the body. It's only people like you, who are saying preventative healthcare should not be given, who are endorsing the ill effects. By the way, most birth control pills are natural. Estrogen is a natural hormone. So is progesterone. If its chemical compisition is altered in any way, they are no longer "estrogen" or "progesterone," so that's ludicrous of you to say. Almost everything in the body operates lock-and-key in some fashion or another. If your birth control pills contain estrogen and progesterone, that's what they are. They aren't evil satanic mutant forms (though some use Progestin instead).
Just out of curiosity, do you even know how birth control works?

The medical establishment told them they would stay young and attractive, they would have a better marriage, they told them whatever they wanted to, but the truth is; THEY TOLD WOMEN A LIE! You continue to get your tylenol without a prescription.

Huh? You've switched your arguement so many times that it's impossible to keep track of. Are you now trying to compare birth control to something like Thalidomide? Medical knowledge continues to advance meaning it is greater now than it was when birth control was first introduced. Many of the possible risks/side-effects that we are now aware of were not known at its introduction. No, there was no great conspiracy to goad women into using birth control so they'd be forced to have pelvic exams. Wow, you're cracked out of your mind. And thanks for your permission, I'll keep right on with the Tylenol.

Some doctors might elect not to do one on a man, but wouldn't hesitate to do a pelvic/rectal on a woman if she wanted a sexual stimulant as oppose to birth control pills.

Ahh, you're also aware of all possible outcomes in all possible situations, I see. How, exactly, are you aware of what the protocol would or would not be were a woman to request a female-equivalent Viagra? I'm not even aware of one existing (read: prescription, not some "As Seen on TV" gimmick).

Yeah, natural products are much safer. I personally like cocaine, a natural extract of a plant grown in Columbia, much like coffee. It's just a little "pick-me-up", perfectly natural and safe

Or you could smoke tobacco leaves, they're really safe and natural, too.

Oh, definitely! I prefer cyanide.. or maybe arsenic.
Go nature, go!

If Janice is actually serious in what she posts (which I seriously, seriously doubt), she must love being a victim. Personally, I wouldn't want to wander through life under the constant delusion that the entire healthcare profession (read: those who want to help others) is conspiring against my kind.. lying and man-handling them for sexual pleasure. Seems like a rather arrogant perspective to have... there are 141,000,000+ vaginas in the United States. Yours just isn't that special. No one went through thousands of hours of medical training to enter one of the hardest specialties in medicine (lifestyle-wise) just so they could see it. Sorry.

 

[Janice]

yes, your life is built on imagination and ingnorance. enjoy it!

and, i for one, do not want this thread to die...it is better than anything on TV this season, thas fo sho.

A little imagination goes a long way. People who use it are not bound or limited. You are limited only by your imagination, and imagination is not controlled by scientifics and medicine.

 

[Janice]

quite possibly the dumbest thing on this thread, and that is saying something. not for profit? so, the drug companies are evil for profit empires (well, that much is true) while the supplement industry is giving all the money to charity? not altered? the "chemical compostition" that is not altered is often not constant, so when taking these herbal products, you are often not getting a consistent dose. these compounds have often not been well studied, so there is no basis for you to say whether side effects exist or not.

wise up...

If most of the herbal products on the market have not been tested by the FDA, how the hell would you or anybody else would know if the components in the herbal product are consistent or not? And everybody is in it for the money. Including You. Most of the side effects caused by drugs are not experienced by most people who take herbal products, comparable to the drug they took. Even if a chemical component is altered and consistent, doe not make it safe for everybody or anybody. Just because it has been changed/altered by some drug company and/or doctors, does not make it safe for the public. Too much information is withheld from the public concerning the findings of new drugs that have been introduced to the public by doctors via the drug companies. Oh yes, all the drug companies care about is the MONEY! MONEY! MONEY! MONEY! MONEY! MONEY! Doctors are bribed all the day long by drug companies to promote their products, whether or not they are safe. They get doctors while they are in medical school, starting with the very first day of school. They bait them with nice gifts of all types, including expensive pens and a lot else. This information I got from a tv news special one evening. Student doctors are nothing but bait meat for the big fish.

 

[Sweet Tea]

They get doctors while they are in medical school, starting with the very first day of school. They bait them with nice gifts of all types, including expensive pens and a lot else.

Okay. I admit it. I'm studying medicine for the free pens and post-it notes. *hangs head in shame*



Kids, don't do drugs. Even the herbal ones.

 

[IdiotBoxen]

Janice, are you for real?

Herbal products, can be, and are harmful to people. This notion that natural == safe is a crock. Anthrax, Ebola, Cyanide and Smallpox are all natural.

Some herbal products have been studied in some populations, and they did have side effects and drug interactions.

Infact, herbal products can have thousands of compounds in them. On the other hand, I know precisely what is in a prescription product.

You don't think the herbal companies aren't in it for the money? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Yes, they're wonderful people who don't care about money. *COUGH*

Oh, yeah, we're all in it for the gifts. It's not the patients. It's not the joy of learning. I think I speak for all my colleagues when I say that the pens, muesli bars and freebies are what drive us to spend 12+ years in training.

 

[hans19]

That's why herbal products don't require exams. They're natural products that the drug companies have not changed/altered the chemical composition of to market it for profit. Natural hormones don't require an exam. Most of the natural type herbs don't have the side effects found in the prescription pills. The medical establishment knew the side effects of birth-control pills, which is why they required an exam. They knew they were marketing a pill to the public, especially to women, that was going to cause changes and problems in that area of the body. Yet they fed women this bull sh**t! The medical establishment told them they would stay young and attractive, they would have a better marriage, they told them whatever they wanted to, but the truth is; THEY TOLD WOMEN A LIE! You continue to get your tylenol without a prescription. Give me a break! Rectal/prostate exams are done for the man seeking Viagra if he goes to a doctor. Some doctors might elect not to do one on a man, but wouldn't hesitate to do a pelvic/rectal on a woman if she wanted a sexual stimulant as oppose to birth control pills.

Let me get this straight, first of all, you won't be getting a pap smear b/c pelvic exams are medical rape.

Then by your logic, if woman performs a pelvic exam you suspect she might be a perverted lesbian because: 'How can it not be sexual if genitals are involved?'

Furthermore, you don't trust prescription medications, as they are part of a conspiracy on the part of doctors to make money. You suggest that herbal therapies are superior due to less side effects and the fact that they are 'natural' -and therefore benign (hemlock is 'natural' too I might add).

It sounds like you've been drinking too much Noni juice.
(BTW Those guys late-night infomercial guys aren't in it for the money)

So if you have the misfortune to get cervical cancer (its even more of a misfortune because those pap smears you refused could have helped detect it at an earlier resectable stage ), you'll just stick with herbal remedies , because those pervert Gyn-Onc doctors can't be trusted and chemotherapy is a sham?

Brilliant

 

[Janice]

Let me get this straight, first of all, you won't be getting a pap smear b/c pelvic exams are medical rape.

Then by your logic, if woman performs a pelvic exam you suspect she might be a perverted lesbian because: 'How can it not be sexual if genitals are involved?'

Furthermore, you don't trust prescription medications, as they are part of a conspiracy on the part of doctors to make money. You suggest that herbal therapies are superior due to less side effects and the fact that they are 'natural' -and therefore benign (hemlock is 'natural' too I might add).

It sounds like you've been drinking too much Noni juice.
(BTW Those guys late-night infomercial guys aren't in it for the money)

So if you have the misfortune to get cervical cancer (its even more of a misfortune because those pap smears you refused could have helped detect it at an earlier resectable stage ), you'll just stick with herbal remedies , because those pervert Gyn-Onc doctors can't be trusted and chemotherapy is a sham?

Brilliant

When done right and with the patient having come to the doctor for that exam, (with the patient being in control-stopping the doc if the exam is too uncomfortable or hurts), then the exam is not rape. But for the most part, that's all it is, it is just given a fancy medical name. It is sometimes and maybe often enough used for the wrong reasons. Such as a doctor who tells a female employee who he is giving her the pre-employment physical, that she has to have a pap and gyn exam to get hired. He uses intimidation, scare tactics and threats about the job if she refuses to allow him to do the exam. And he has to do the exam and not her doctor, when there are no jobs in this country that require a pap/pelvic and/or rectal exam. There are some circumstances under which that **** is done that makes it nothing more than medical rape. I won't be getting one unless I feel the need to, and then not just anybody does it, (male or female doc).

Female doctors are preferred, and though they are preferred, not all of them are good. However, they tend to keep in better control and are not as likely to abuse power they male doctors are. Women docs are not as agressive as male doctors about the pap and gyn exam. They simply are just not as threatening as a strange man. A strange man between the legs and in the butt hole just seems to much out of place. It simply doesn't matter about his credentials. At least the woman doctor has the same thing. A man simply doesn't. You should know these things are important to women. If you don't, forget you buddy.

If I have the so-called misfortune to get cancer of the cervix, you and countless others will never know it. Not everybody who doesn't do paps gets cancer, and the paps are misread most of the time. They don't save everybody's life, and they are not that important or that serious. I've said that before and will continue to say it. I've already give the reasons for that one.

Chemotherapy causes more weakness and pain than the damn cancer. They are finding a better way now to administer it. By injecting the chemotherapy directly into the affected organ/area of the body and not by IV where it goes over the entire body, and it tends to be less debiliating. Many people have died years ago because of chemotherapy. They had a terminal stage of cancer true, but the chemotherapy hastened their death due to the side effects of it. People are still dying due to side effects of chemotherapy, but medicine has made some progess in that area. It is designed not to be a sham, but chemotherapy can be a killer. The changes being made in it might be accepted by many doctors, and there might be some who wouldn't. A lot of people, doctors included, resist change.

While the veda-scope speculum is used mostly in Austrialia, plans are on the drawing board to market it here in the United States. When it arrives, maybe it won't be greeted with wide open arms. Some doctors may accept it and some won't. Will the patient be given a choice? Will they even be informed about it?

By the way, it's natural for a man to want to do an intimate exam on a female patient; and it's also natural for her not to allow it. Just maybe it aint natural for you to digest all of this message.

 

[Janice]

Okay. I admit it. I'm studying medicine for the free pens and post-it notes. *hangs head in shame*



Kids, don't do drugs. Even the herbal ones.

You sure you going for more than that? And who the hell told you kids don't do drugs? I aint talking about 2 year olds either.

 

[Janice]

Janice, are you for real?

Herbal products, can be, and are harmful to people. This notion that natural == safe is a crock. Anthrax, Ebola, Cyanide and Smallpox are all natural.

Some herbal products have been studied in some populations, and they did have side effects and drug interactions.

Infact, herbal products can have thousands of compounds in them. On the other hand, I know precisely what is in a prescription product.

You don't think the herbal companies aren't in it for the money? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Yes, they're wonderful people who don't care about money. *COUGH*

Oh, yeah, we're all in it for the gifts. It's not the patients. It's not the joy of learning. I think I speak for all my colleagues when I say that the pens, muesli bars and freebies are what drive us to spend 12+ years in training.

I am aware there are some dangerous herbs, but they are sometimes preferred over prescriptions. Maybe a lot of times. The gifts are just a start to get the medical student to become great advocates for the drug companies when they finish with school. Doctors are, after all pal, promoters of the drug companies products. That's why the drug companies grab you when you set foot in medical school.

 

[IdiotBoxen]

Janice, i'm not sure if you're being delibately antagonistic or just stupid.

Oh, yes, there are jobs that require pelvics. Military enlistment being one of them.

No, Janice. It's not rape. It's a medical procedure that the patient has consented to, and is in the patient's best interests.

Let me be clear about this, and i'll type in caps so you'll understand. CERVICAL CANCER IS ONE OF THE MOST PREVENTABLE CANCERS, IT JUST TAKES A PAP SMEAR!!!!!!!!!!!! It's really not that hard.

No, funnily enough my desire to do obs/gyn isn't because I enjoy performing pelvics. Do all female urologists who perform rectals suffer from the same affliction of wanting to perform intimate exams on males?



This thread is some of the funniest stuff I have ever seen on the internet... it's gold plated comedy.

 

[Whisker Barrel Cortex]

and the paps are misread most of the time. and they are not that important or that serious.

And what journal article did you get this information from. Paps are most definitely NOT misread most of the time. You obviously have heard bits and pieces of articles and have no real knowledge of the subject.

And who the hell told you kids don't do drugs? I aint talking about 2 year olds either.

A reading comprehension class may be beneficial. When one writes: "Kids, don't do drugs" with a comma after kids, it is a statement addressing kids and telling them not to do drugs. If the statement had been "Kids don't do drugs" with no comma after kids, your interpretation would be correct.

 

[dentite001]

I'll give my two cents from a male perspective. Sure, looking at the first few vaginas may be arousing for a male doc, but after a while they would become desensitized and it would just become like any other body part. Kind of like watching porn for 8 hours straight. I would not want to go into this field if I was a doctor, simply for the fact that it would take the excitement out of my sexual extracurricular activities.

 

[hans19]

I guess for Janice, screening colonoscopy (medical sodomy) and mammograms (breasts in a vice-Kinky!!! ) are a form of medical rape as well and she won't be getting those done either.

Thats too bad, as colon cancer and breast cancer are much more common than pelvic cancer.

 

[hans19]

Janice on the pelvic exam...

GYN exams if not sexual pal what the hell are they? Last I checked the exams didn't involve any other part of the body except the privates buddy, and the privates are always sexual.

Janice, so breast self-exams and testicular exams are a form of autoeroticism?
Ask yourself, do YOU get pleasure out of a breast-self exam?

So childbirth is a heinous Oedipal form of rape perpetrated by the neonate because it involves a 'sexual part of the body' and it is definitely unpleasant?

COME ON!!!

 

[Whisker Barrel Cortex]

So childbirth is a heinous Oedipal form of rape perpetrated by the neonate because it involves a 'sexual part of the body' and it is definitely unpleasant?

LOL

 

[Old MD]

Not quite.

For Janice, giving birth to a baby boy is a horrible form of rape. If it's a baby girl, it's ok, because they have the "same parts".

 

[Janice]

Janice, i'm not sure if you're being delibately antagonistic or just stupid.

Oh, yes, there are jobs that require pelvics. Military enlistment being one of them.

No, Janice. It's not rape. It's a medical procedure that the patient has consented to, and is in the patient's best interests.

Let me be clear about this, and i'll type in caps so you'll understand. CERVICAL CANCER IS ONE OF THE MOST PREVENTABLE CANCERS, IT JUST TAKES A PAP SMEAR!!!!!!!!!!!! It's really not that hard.

No, funnily enough my desire to do obs/gyn isn't because I enjoy performing pelvics. Do all female urologists who perform rectals suffer from the same affliction of wanting to perform intimate exams on males?



This thread is some of the funniest stuff I have ever seen on the internet... it's gold plated comedy.

There are NO jobs that require pelvics my friend. NONE. NONE WHAT SO EVER! The Military and the NASA SPACE PROGRAM are the only 2 I know of with that requirement. There are no civilian jobs that require it. It's not the job, it's the doctor hired to do the employee phyisicals that makes the patient think the pelvic is required by the company, and he is only doing his job. Truth is, THAT IS A DAMN LIE! Too many antisexual harrassement laws on the books for that. A company that would "require" an intimate (pap/pelvic) exam for a woman before she could be hired to work for them, would be in direct violation of her cilvil rights to refuse the exam. Something they could not do, when hospitals give patients the right to refuse any treatment, medicine, exam, etc., they don't want. Pelvics required for a job? I don't think so. The prospective female employee would then be entitled to file a lawsuit. That's one of my points exactly. Some male doctors use methods of coercion to get the female patient to submit to something they don't want, and is simply not required. It's the reason for the medical board complaints and even lawsuits against them. An unwanted exam initmate or not, is not worth it. Even when so-called required, it doesn't over-ride her right to refuse it. Threats about the job then is illegal and warrants a lawsuit. These are facts my friend, that any fool knows.

It is not rape IF & ONLY IF the patient has truly CONSENTED to the exam. COERCION is not the same as CONSENT. CONSENT involves PERMISSION. COERCION involves SUBMISSION. With consent, the patient went to the doctor to have the exam. Is wanting the exam. With coercion, the patient is forced to have the exam. Led to beieve they don't have a choice about it, and there is no way out of having it, and having to submit to that doctor doing the exam as oppose to their own doctor because that doctor said so. That is not in any way, in the patient's best interest. The patient decides what's in their best interest. The doctor does not. You don't decide that an intimate exam is in the patient's best interest when they don't want it, and tell you no from the start. To say you know what's in the patient's best interest, is to say they (women), don't know what they want. There are a lot of male doctors who think like that about women.

I shouldn't need to go into this much detail with this. I'm sure you and others on this board already know this stuff. You don't need to be told this bull crap. It's comon knowledge that if a woman doesn't want a pap/pelvic rectal (any gyn exam or part of it), she doesn't have to have it. Also, she can refuse any part of it. Some women will do a pap smear, but refuse a pelvic. Some will do a pap and a pelvic and refuse the rectal. The choice is ours whether a doctor likes it or not. It's not always about prevention of cervical cancer. It's whether or not the patient wants the exam. Who they save, their age bracket, how young or old they were when given the pap-that may have saved their lives- it's about whether or not it is accepted and/or wanted. It is refused upon hospital admissions.

 

[Old MD]

Janice,

At first I really thought you must be a 10 year old or somethin getting a rise out of annoying the med students here, but you seem to take this so passionately that I'm starting to think you might actually hold these ridiculous opinions to be true.

Most of the posters here have not actually responded directly to a lot of what you are saying I think because they are enjoying your hilarious posts and want you to continue. But in a bid to end this (am I too optimistic) here goes.


COERCION & REQUIRED "PELVICS" (god, your language is so juvenile)

When you say that no woman should be forced to undergo a gyne exam, you are ABSOLUTELY right. Your problem is you are about 10,000 years out of date. And completely irrelevant. Why do you think WE need to be told this? you are preaching to the converted. WE ARE THE ONES who uphold the concept of patient autonomy everyday in hospitals and clinics.

If a patient is admitted to hospital for a gynecologic problem, or abdominal problem, or some medical problem where there is reason to think that a gyn exam will provide diagnostic information, a doctor/nurse will explain this to the patient. If for whatever reason the patient say no, (and the patient is mentally competent) then the doctors DROP IT. It is explained to the patient that XYZ information cannot be obtained, but if that is her wish, that's fine. It's her body and her fate.

Doctors and nurses don't go around forcing every female within sight to drop to the floor and get "pelvics" at every opprtunity. What kind of nut job are you??? I guess you think that if you step into a hospital every doctor is going to line up to do a gyn exam on you, but "guess what honey", you are nuts.


Throughout this whole thread, you have been railing and railing that people everywhere are forcing you to have "pelvics". You must be crazy. If you go to some agency to find a job, and they say you need a full medical exam first before they let you fly a 10 billion dollar jet, and you go to a doctor, and then tell him you don't want a gyn exam, NO DOCTOR ON THE FACE OF THIS FCKING planet is going to "try and force you to get a pelvic". We'll just say, sure Ma'am, have a nice day, document that you didn't want this exam and send you off on your way to your stupid job interview. Why the HELL should we even care??!!!??? That's between you and your stupid employer. We have tooooooo much work to bothered with your silly little a$$.

THE PILL, etc

If you got to see a doctor about a medical issue where the ONLY WAY he can practice safe medicine is to do, among other things, a complete gyn exam, he will tell you. If you decline, he will Not force you to have anything you don't want, but explain what risks you are taking. If you are OK with those risk, it's perfectly fine with us - it is YOUR body. If you do NOT want Screening, that?s fine. If you are bleeding every day of the month, but you refuse a gyn exam because you think every doctor out there is out to rape you, hey, it?s your cancer, not ours. We will let you know that we think your decision is medically unwise, but NO ONE FORCES YOU to get an exam you don?t want (EVEN IF YOU MAY NEED it from a medical viewpoint).

Likewise, YOU cannot FORCE US to do something we know is wrong or unsafe, because we have had about 10 billion times more education than you. You cannot walk into our Office, demand that you want X pill, Y tablet and Z procedure, but say, ?No, I will not tell you my medical history and you cannot even take my blood pressure?. We will say, "Thanks, Ma'am, I needed a laugh today, the door is thatway, please have a nice day".



CONCLUSION

Why do you keep saying such mean things about men? You have got a serious problem. If we substitute the words "doctor" or "male" in your posts with "Jew", or "N----r", the result is EXACTLY the SAME - it shows you are a hateful little B$#@# who hates an innocent group of people for no reason.

Please get lost.

 

[Global Disrobal]

**Thinking outloud**

Oh please god or whatever mighty force that exists, please put a burning slug in this thread and let it evaporate like my Great Dane's pile of poo after a 7 day rain storm....

I am just amazed that she continues!

 

[Sweet Tea]

There are NO jobs that require pelvics my friend. NONE. NONE WHAT SO EVER! The Military and the NASA SPACE PROGRAM are the only 2 I know of with that requirement. There are no civilian jobs that require it. It's not the job, it's the doctor hired to do the employee phyisicals that makes the patient think the pelvic is required by the company, and he is only doing his job. Truth is, THAT IS A DAMN LIE! Too many antisexual harrassement laws on the books for that. A company that would "require" an intimate (pap/pelvic) exam for a woman before she could be hired to work for them, would be in direct violation of her cilvil rights to refuse the exam. Something they could not do, when hospitals give patients the right to refuse any treatment, medicine, exam, etc., they don't want. Pelvics required for a job? I don't think so. The prospective female employee would then be entitled to file a lawsuit. That's one of my points exactly. Some male doctors use methods of coercion to get the female patient to submit to something they don't want, and is simply not required. It's the reason for the medical board complaints and even lawsuits against them. An unwanted exam initmate or not, is not worth it. Even when so-called required, it doesn't over-ride her right to refuse it. Threats about the job then is illegal and warrants a lawsuit. These are facts my friend, that any fool knows.

It is not rape IF & ONLY IF the patient has truly CONSENTED to the exam. COERCION is not the same as CONSENT. CONSENT involves PERMISSION. COERCION involves SUBMISSION. With consent, the patient went to the doctor to have the exam. Is wanting the exam. With coercion, the patient is forced to have the exam. Led to beieve they don't have a choice about it, and there is no way out of having it, and having to submit to that doctor doing the exam as oppose to their own doctor because that doctor said so. That is not in any way, in the patient's best interest. The patient decides what's in their best interest. The doctor does not. You don't decide that an intimate exam is in the patient's best interest when they don't want it, and tell you no from the start. To say you know what's in the patient's best interest, is to say they (women), don't know what they want. There are a lot of male doctors who think like that about women.

I shouldn't need to go into this much detail with this. I'm sure you and others on this board already know this stuff. You don't need to be told this bull crap. It's comon knowledge that if a woman doesn't want a pap/pelvic rectal (any gyn exam or part of it), she doesn't have to have it. Also, she can refuse any part of it. Some women will do a pap smear, but refuse a pelvic. Some will do a pap and a pelvic and refuse the rectal. The choice is ours whether a doctor likes it or not. It's not always about prevention of cervical cancer. It's whether or not the patient wants the exam. Who they save, their age bracket, how young or old they were when given the pap-that may have saved their lives- it's about whether or not it is accepted and/or wanted. It is refused upon hospital admissions.

Props to Janice for spelling each and every word in this post correctly.

Now if we could just work on content and grammar...

 

[JohnnyOU]

most women will suspect you are a pervert.

"suspect" ??? LOL

J~

 

[Mr_Money]

Yeah right. If that's the case, then the whole world needs psychiatric help for expessing opinions and voiceing and having rights. You got a problem with that? You probably have. Do yourself a favor and take your own advice.

Nope, only you do, idiot. You are quite possibly the dumbest, least informed individual I have ever encountered on SDN. I sincerely hope this is all a ruse being perpetuated by some sick individual who gets cheap thrills from posting idiotic diatribe. If not and you are for real then I feel satisfied because the worst punishment is having to live your life. One point of advice that I'm sure you'll ignore: Don't always listen to what the voices in your head tell you to do.

 

[doglover]

Thanks for adding some amusement to my day back to work after the long weekend!