What do single women think of a male OB/GYN?

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:D Janice,
Your the greatest poster of all time. :idea:
I only made it to 9th page of postings. Girlfriend, if your getting yeast infections from eating foods high in yeast than allow me, a future Osteopathic hopeful, to offer you some homeopathic treatment. WASH YOUR HANDS. But don't think about it too much because that will take up valuable brain space. :eek: and God knows you already have soooooo much of that occupied that there are precious few neurons left. :p

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Oh My God People!!!! :confused: :confused:

Why do you keep rambling in a topic as boring as this one????? OBGYNS have nothing else to discuss??????


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i think this thread should be a sticky...we have seen the best and worst of humanity.....and plus its just too damn funny to be lost in obscurity :laugh:
 
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i can tell you this much: there are HUNDREDS of cases that have reached state court of appeals and supreme courts in the united states wherein a male OB/GYN raped or otherwise sexually molested one or more patients. these are only the cases that had some new issue of law needing to be reviewed, so there are undoubtedly a TON more that just went through at the trial court level. so it's not "an isolated few".

i would like to turn the question around to the men out there who are considering OB/GYN as their specialty: WHY? i'm not being a smartass, i'm sincerely curious, and have been for some time what it is about OB/GYN that is interesting to men?

at the same time, janice, if you are even in med school or on track to become a physician, then what, of all you've said disparaging male physicians in this context, cannot be also applied to all physicians of BOTH genders when it comes to such things as pelvic exams performed on unconscious patients pre-op in teaching hospitals where 3-10 med students and residents are paraded in front of the unconscious, non-consenting female patient, where each student and resident then performs the full battery of physical exams on her? just as many female students do this as male. try to be a little less bitter and a little less bigoted towards men; it's healthier, and that kind of bigotry doesn't do anything to improve the situation or anyone's understanding of things.
 
delchrys said:
i can tell you this much: there are HUNDREDS of cases that have reached state court of appeals and supreme courts in the united states wherein a male OB/GYN raped or otherwise sexually molested one or more patients. these are only the cases that had some new issue of law needing to be reviewed, so there are undoubtedly a TON more that just went through at the trial court level. so it's not "an isolated few".

i would like to turn the question around to the men out there who are considering OB/GYN as their specialty: WHY? i'm not being a smartass, i'm sincerely curious, and have been for some time what it is about OB/GYN that is interesting to men?

at the same time, janice, if you are even in med school or on track to become a physician, then what, of all you've said disparaging male physicians in this context, cannot be also applied to all physicians of BOTH genders when it comes to such things as pelvic exams performed on unconscious patients pre-op in teaching hospitals where 3-10 med students and residents are paraded in front of the unconscious, non-consenting female patient, where each student and resident then performs the full battery of physical exams on her? just as many female students do this as male. try to be a little less bitter and a little less bigoted towards men; it's healthier, and that kind of bigotry doesn't do anything to improve the situation or anyone's understanding of things.

Could you quote your source on the hundreds of cases?

If you search this thread, several men have said what's interesting to them about OG/GYN. Off the top of my head some of the responses that I remember are: dealing with a mostly healthy pool of patients, delivering babies, and a good mix of surgery and medicine.
 
MoosePilot said:
If you search this thread, several men have said what's interesting to them about OG/GYN. Off the top of my head some of the responses that I remember are: dealing with a mostly healthy pool of patients, delivering babies, and a good mix of surgery and medicine.

Not to mention yeast infections.
 
LOL, I remember a prof describing a Candida infection as "you can scrape it off with a spoon like cottage cheese"
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JattMed said:
Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned!

so you believe in hell, or just trying to be politically correct?? no wait you have been to hell and are describing it.... :confused:
 
cooldreams said:
so you believe in hell, or just trying to be politically correct?? no wait you have been to hell and are describing it.... :confused:

No......but I'll give you a one way ticket there if ya like?
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MoosePilot said:
Could you quote your source on the hundreds of cases?

If you search this thread, several men have said what's interesting to them about OG/GYN. Off the top of my head some of the responses that I remember are: dealing with a mostly healthy pool of patients, delivering babies, and a good mix of surgery and medicine.

i accept your explanation as to why men are interested in OB/GYN.

as to my sources, it is not an area of intense interest to me. one night, i logged onto WestLaw (the legal database used by most law firms in the united states) and looked up cases about this using a variety of keyword searches. i didn't save them. i'm not fixated on the subject, it just shocked the hell out of me that there were so many cases.

if you want to find them, you can use a friend's account on westlaw, or go to any law library and ask the librarian how you might start to look that info up. to be perfectly honest it doesn't matter to me whether you do or do not, or whether you believe me or not. i truly don't have the time to pull it up again just to "prove a point". i'm not the kind of jackass who gets into forum discussions and then spouts out lies just to trick a minority of gullible surfers. i hate false info and the folks who spread it. so, believe me, or don't. check it out for yourself, or don't. if you are genuinely interested and not just trying some lame adolescent "calling my bluff" tactic, email me at [email protected] and say so. i will try to pull a few of those cases over the next week or so and i will send the citations along to you. i'm about as busy as a med student with law school these days (yes, at least that busy...20 credits, president of the student bar association, a member of the law review, and working 1.5 jobs (don't ask)), so if this is a pissing contest i don't have time to whip it out, let alone see who can pee farther. if you're sincerely interested, though, i can burn an hour or so doing the research again.

take care,
jason
 
delchrys said:
i can tell you this much: there are HUNDREDS of cases that have reached state court of appeals and supreme courts in the united states wherein a male OB/GYN raped or otherwise sexually molested one or more patients. these are only the cases that had some new issue of law needing to be reviewed, so there are undoubtedly a TON more that just went through at the trial court level. so it's not "an isolated few".

i would like to turn the question around to the men out there who are considering OB/GYN as their specialty: WHY? i'm not being a smartass, i'm sincerely curious, and have been for some time what it is about OB/GYN that is interesting to men?

at the same time, janice, if you are even in med school or on track to become a physician, then what, of all you've said disparaging male physicians in this context, cannot be also applied to all physicians of BOTH genders when it comes to such things as pelvic exams performed on unconscious patients pre-op in teaching hospitals where 3-10 med students and residents are paraded in front of the unconscious, non-consenting female patient, where each student and resident then performs the full battery of physical exams on her? just as many female students do this as male. try to be a little less bitter and a little less bigoted towards men; it's healthier, and that kind of bigotry doesn't do anything to improve the situation or anyone's understanding of things.








Medical schools, some of them and more are following, are changeing that concept of examining women while under anesthesia due to complaints and lawsuits. A lot of medical schools now are getting their permission to be examinined by med students during surgery. There has been too many complaints about that very issue, and now it is being changed. It is now a well known fact about that being such a problem which is the reason for the change.

Men simply find a woman's privates more interesting than a man's privates. It simply is more interesting, and they can't help but feel the need to examine it, whether or not she feels the need for the exam. While no reputable doctor forces the exam in any way, there are some who use intimidation. scare tactics, coercion to get a submission to allow the exam. No reputable doctor would do a gyn exam as part of a pre-employment physical because no public jobs require or mandate the gyn exam to be hired. Any doctor who gives one as an employment exam is probably a pervert. Maybe he is just out of the military and his habits are carrying over to the civilian life. Even government jobs don't require them. Forget the jumbo jet, as the FAA does not require them either for male nor female.

Women need to be more descreet and careful and concerned about opening their legs for a male doctor just because he wants them to. If women did that, there would be less cases of rape from a male gyn doctor or whatever title he held. There is a serious decline in male gynecology and the male doctor feels he is losing something. He feels threatened because he doesn't have the final say so.
 
Delchrys...I hate to point this out, but I just figured that law students were supposed to be quite gifted in the art of communication and the written language. I may be mistaken, but isn't partially listing your accomplishments on a forum the same as "whip[ping] it out" for a pissing contest (as you so eloquently stated)? Then again maybe it was just one of those nifty lawyer mind games? Hhmm! :scared: :scared: :scared: Your honor, I object!

Kidding aside, I don't think anybody would be foolish enough (at least in these overly litiginous days) to argue against the fact that there are "hundreds" of lawsuits filed against male OBs on a regular basis. However, as I hope you've been taught in your school, most of those cases, (close to 75% from one statistic which was presented at a recent Medicolegal conference by an MD, JD), like most malpractice cases, are thrown out because they are proven to have no foundation on reality. Since the law is blind and does not discriminate, I hope that you also use your searching skills to find the "hundreds" of lawsuits that are also filed against female OBs (again, most of which are thrown out as well). By the same reasoning, does this mean that female OBs are perverts?
All in all, if you consider the overall picture, millions of women are seen each year by OBs in the US and benefit from our care with only "hundreds" (quoting your statistic) of lawsuits being filed. If you ask me, those are definitely excellent odds! :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
 
a couple of responses, rolled into one. first, the 'credential list' was to preempt any allegations or insinuations that "delchrys can't possibly be 'busy' by medical student standards", since that's been implied before on this website...equating the two educations is like comparing apples and oranges, but i will instantly concede that the average med student works balls-out harder than the average law student. still, i wanted to explain why i am not typical in the law student sense, and that i don't have much time to kill outside of occasionally posting in these forums. (and no, i took no offense at your friendly ribbing, so it's all good--not everyone is as friendly, though.)

as to the search process i used, i used keywords like "physician" and "fondle", "inappropriate", "sexual", etc. i used no gender-specific terms. i found no cases with female defendants, but i also didn't read more than about 20 before i had burned a few hours and had no more time that night. i by NO means mean to imply that the "average" male OB/GYN is a fondling molester. not even close. but, just as i, in my sexist ways, will never hire a male babysitter or let my kids "hang out" alone with a priest or coach when they are young, i will consistently object to my partner seeing a male OB/GYN. if she truly felt more comfortable with a male, as some women do, i'd swallow my objection and put on a happy face. she doesn't, though, and we've agreed that a female is simply a better choice for both of our comfort levels. in the same vein, i can see why many women would prefer female OB/GYNs. women in general tend to be...i don't know, self-conscious at best, embarrassed at worst about their genitalia, and exposing that area of their body to men for generations was kind of a 'necessary evil' to many (at least to many of the women i have talked to about it). some women prefer men (still talking of older women) because they have the perception that men are more competent.

as to the question of how many of the hundreds of cases were BS cases...i'd have to say close to zero. i didn't see ANY that were clearly BS that i read through...most of them were pretty cut-and-dried and the only reason they were on appeal was for some boring legal point that had little to do with the actual happenings that led to the suit. basically, the docs either manually masturbated the women or flat out banged them (yeah, i know, real technical terminology, lol)...some just did 5-10 minute rectal "exams", including one guy who did a rectal exam, then a vaginal with the same finger immediately after, and back and forth for a half-hour..to like 3-5 women. in other words, it was all stuff where you're like "how the hell did the women not get up and leave immediately?!", but we're talking about scared, quiet girls, many of whom were having their first exam and don't know the first thing about medicine or proper professional behavior. crazy stuff. as usual, a few bad apples ruin the perception of the rest...

if a guy wants to go into that specialty, more power to him. just like male massage therapists, however, fresh male OB/GYNs are going to find it increasingly difficult to build a client base.
 
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delchrys said:
if a guy wants to go into that specialty, more power to him. just like male massage therapists, however, fresh male OB/GYNs are going to find it increasingly difficult to build a client base.

a quick medline search provides some evidence against this excerpt from your post (see abstracts below). it appears that a small majority of women prefer a female gynecologist, from this quick search. in my personal experience, most women prefer a competent ob/gyn of either sex. some will absolutely prefer a male, some will absolutely prefer a female. no judgement on these facts, people are fully allowed to make a choice. but, to state that opportunity is shrinking to be a male in this field is simply not true. all the evidence that i have seen published, as well as my personal experience in the field, make it very, very clear that this field is open and receptive to qualified, compasionate doctors, regardless of sex.


Determinants of women's choice of obstetrician/gynecologist.
J Womens Health Gend Based Med 2002 Mar;11(2):175-80 (ISSN: 1524-6094)
Zuckerman M; Navizedeh N; Feldman J; McCalla S; Minkoff H
Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology, Maimonides Medical Center, Brooklyn, New York, USA.
INTRODUCTION: There has been a reported increase in women's desires to have female medical providers. It is unclear if this finding extends to obstetrician/gynecologists or how important gender is relative to other factors in choosing a provider. This study seeks to address these issues. METHODS AND MATERIALS: In community locations in Brooklyn, New York, 537 women completed a questionnaire regarding demographics, gender of their current provider, and whether they considered age, gender, experience, location, or cost to be the most important factor in choosing an obstetrician/gynecologist. They rated their current experience and the importance of gender using a 10-point Likert scale. RESULTS: Overall, 61% of participants preferred a female provider. The proportion did not vary with gender of the interviewer or participants' age. A female provider was preferred by 56% of Protestants, 58% of Catholics, and 58% of Jews and by 74% of Hindus and 89% of Muslims (p = 0.02). Regardless of whether a woman preferred a male or a female provider, 38% of participants felt strongly (7-10 on Likert scale) that gender was important. There was no difference in satisfaction with current provider between women who preferred a male or female provider. Gender was as important in choosing an obstetrician as experience or cost. Almost as many women with a female provider indicated a preference for a male (46%) as women with a male provider who preferred a female provider (54%). CONCLUSIONS: A slight majority of these women, particularly those who are Hindu or Moslem or currently use a female, prefer female providers. Only a minority of these women feel strongly about their preference, and women with male providers are as satisfied as are women with female providers. Gender of provider was about as important as a physician's experience in choice of clinician.


Women's provider preferences for basic gynecology care in a large health maintenance organization.
J Womens Health Gend Based Med 1999 Jul-Aug;8(6):825-33 (ISSN: 1524-6094)
Schmittdiel J; Selby JV; Grumbach K; Quesenberry CP
Division of Research, Kaiser Permanente Medical Care Program (Northern California Region), Oakland, USA.
To examine women's preferences for the type and sex of the provider of basic gynecological services and the correlates of these preferences, we mailed a cross-sectional survey to 8406 women in a large group model health maintenance organization (HMO) in northern California, with a response rate of 73.6%. Four questions asked women the type (obstetrician/gynecologist, nurse practitioner, or primary care physician) and sex of provider who performed their last pelvic examination and their preferences in type and sex of provider for these examinations. This was a random sample of female HMO members 35-85 years of age who were empaneled with a primary care physician from one of three categories: family practitioner, general internist, or subspecialist. Of the 5164 respondents who received their last pelvic examination at Kaiser Permanente, 56% had seen a gynecologist, 26% a nurse practitioner, and only 18% their own primary care physician for the examination. Of these women, 60.3% reported preferring a gynecologist for basic gynecology care, 12.6% preferred a nurse practitioner, 13.3% preferred their own primary care physician, and 13.8% had no preference. Patients of family practitioners were more likely to prefer their own primary care practitioner than patients of other types of doctors. The strongest independent predictor of preferring a gynecologist over the primary care physician was having seen a gynecologist for the last pelvic examination (OR = 28.3, p < 0.0001). Other independent predictors of preferring a gynecologist were younger age, higher education and income, and having a male primary care physician. Of respondents, 52.2% preferred a female provider for basic gynecological care, and 42.0% had no preference for the sex of the provider. Preferring a female provider was strongly and independently associated with lower income, higher education, nonwhite race, having a male primary care physician, having an older primary care, physician, and having seen a female provider at the last pelvic examination. In this HMO, a majority of women reported a preference for seeing an obstetrician/gynecologist for their routine gynecological care, despite having a primary care physician. This most likely reflects the strong influence of previous patient experience and that familiarity with a particular type of provider leads to preferences for that type. This medical group's structure probably also affects preferences, as in this HMO, primary care physicians can be discouraged from performing pelvic examinations. Many women do prefer female providers for pelvic examinations, but a large percentage have no preference. These women often see male providers for basic gynecological care. As managed care places increasing emphasis on providing integrated, comprehensive primary care, this apparent preference for specialty gynecological care will require further study.
 
here is another one...


It ain't necessarily so: most women do not strongly prefer female obstetrician-gynaecologists.
J Obstet Gynaecol Can 2002 Nov;24(11):885-8 (ISSN: 1701-2163)
Fisher WA; Bryan A; Dervaitis KL; Silcox J; Kohn H
Department of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, University of Western Ontario, London, ON, Canada.
OBJECTIVE: To examine whether Canadian women seeking care from obstetrician-gynaecologists prefer to see female or male physicians or have no strong preference in this regard. METHODS: A self-administered questionnaire assessing women's "strong preference" for female or male obstetrician-gynaecologists, or their lack of a strong preference in this area, was completed by 409 women (93.8% response rate) attending two hospital-based obstetrics and gynaecology outpatient clinics in London, Ontario. RESULTS: Overall, 75% of women stated that they had no strong preference concerning the gender of their obstetrician-gynaecologist; 21% strongly preferred a female obstetrician-gynaecologist; and 4% strongly preferred a male obstetrician-gynaecologist. Women who were single, pregnant, or had a history of abortion, sexual coercion, relationship violence, sexual dysfunction, or sexually transmitted disease were no more likely to prefer to see a female obstetrician-gynaecologist than were women without these characteristics. CONCLUSION: A clear majority of women expressed no strong preference for the gender of their obstetrician-gynaecologist, and preference for a female obstetrician-gynaecologist was not associated with a history of sensitive gender-related medical concerns. Nationally representative research is needed to clarify women's preferences in this domain across the regions of Canada and to determine the strength and correlates of any such preferences. Patient care and human rights implications of women's preference for the gender of their obstetrician-gynaecologist will need to be carefully considered as well.
 
the last one, i promise....

The importance of physician gender in the selection of an obstetrician or a gynecologist.
Am J Obstet Gynecol 2002 May;186(5):926-8 (ISSN: 0002-9378)
Plunkett BA; Kohli P; Milad MP
Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology, Northwestern University Medical School, Chicago, Ill 60611, USA. [email protected].
OBJECTIVE: The purpose of this study was to determine the importance of gender in the selection of an obstetrician or a gynecologist. STUDY DESIGN: At a university-based hospital, 46 patients after delivery and 79 patients after gynecologic surgery who had selected their physician within the previous year were interviewed to determine the importance of physician gender in the selection of an obstetrician or gynecologist. Chi-square test, Fisher exact test, and the Student t test were used for statistical analysis. RESULTS: Of the 125 women who were surveyed, 52.8% of the women preferred a female physician, 9.6% of the women preferred a male physician, and 37.6% of the women stated no gender preference, with no significant difference between the obstetric and gynecologic groups. The groups were similar with respect to ranking the importance of gender; 24.8% of the women who were interviewed considered gender to be one of the 3 most important factors in the selection of a physician. When participants were asked to choose gender over physician experience, bedside manner, or competency, gender was selected by 12%, 10.4%, and 0.8%, respectively, with no significant differences between the groups. CONCLUSION: For most women, physician gender is not of primary importance in the selection of an obstetrician or gynecologist.
 
definitely a slew of info in support of your point. i must concede that you have actual data to back up your claim, whereas i have nothing more than 40 or so women i've personally questioned about the subject. it will be interesting to see what the same type of studies say in 10 years, but for now you've opened my mind to the possibility that my prediction is way wrong.

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another point to consider...many women likely "prefer" a female given all other variables (ie competence, availability, etc...) equal. and, in gathering anecdotal evidence from your friends, they may assume this equality. but, the fact is, many (almost half) women will go to somebody who is available, who the percieve as competent, who is approachable, has a good reputaion, or who a friend recommends, even if they are male. so, the data you have gathered is likely skewed. instead of just asking "who would you prefer", you could put some conditions on it. would you see a male if it meant you would be able to get an appointment within a week vs. 4 weeks for a female? if you had a choice between a male "expert" and an average female doc, who would you pick? would you see a male if a friend recommended him? i think this would get you a more realistic view of the chances a male has in the field. but, if your point is that when all other things are equal, a women has a strong advantage, i would probably agree. fortunately, in the real world, all other things are not equal!

i look at it as though most women would likely "prefer" a female ob/gyn, just as a male would likely "prefer" a male urologist, for whatever reasons. but, this preference is typically not a well thought out idea, more of a reflex, and when it comes time to decide which doctor to see, gender of the physician actually becomes a smaller issue than it may seem at the outset. and, i think this is a pretty rational way of dealing with it. gender plays a role, but it is a smaller role than we all assume. it just seems large because it is the only variable we are considering...factor everything else in, and we have a better picture of what the reality is.

given the demands placed on ob/gyns, the realities of malpractice, the issues with compensation, i am certain that ANY competent physician that hangs his shingle will have plenty of business. sure, it may be tougher in some areas than in others, but 50% of the population need ob/gyns. and, there are simply more than enough patients out there to support all of us.
 
Neil the Am J Obstet Gynecol 2002 May;186(5):926-8 (ISSN: 0002-9378)
is the most well known citation. As to the original post about SINGLE women I can not comment as I am married and had 2 children both pregancies managed by male doctors and I am a female in the OB profession. But what I can suggest is that once married perhaps the gender doesn't matter as much or perhaps after delivery of a child the gender becomes irrevelant. Just some fuel for the discussion.
 
Oh geez bringing up another old played out thread. Please let this topic die......
 
Anyone ever seen that movie, "The Hand That Rocks the Cradle?" I think the main plot line is about a nanny trying to steal the mother's family, but it starts off with sexual abuse on the pregnant mother by her OB/GYN. Skimming some of Janice's posts, it sounded a movie she's seen a lot.
 
Just curious as to what your post adds to the overall purpose of this forum?

This was a thread that, as Nykka3 said, was played out a while ago... On to more time worthy discussions with respect to this specialty (i.e. residency, rotations, tort reform)

Hope everyone is having a great weekend!
 
You should be aware by now that gynecology is getting a complete overhaul. It should. The way it is practiced today makes it not much more than Legalized Medical Rape!

hahahahahaha. breath..hahahahahahaha

Psycho-plode much?

Im guessing you are a hideous looking lady with one nasty vajayjay.

This post is an SDN insta classic IMO.

Who cares anyway, reimbursement is declining so quickly in ob I could trade a starbucks latte for most of their CPT codes now. The field is literally rotting away, the applicants they do get are bottom of the barrel and 1/2 of those end up transferring out before year 2.
 
Well I am married to an ob/gyn. When I first met him he was looking to go into family medicine but we were engaged and he decided to do the whole ob/gyn bit because he loves the whole surgery aspect. I don't think women in general have a bad view. Some may be immature and think you are a pervert...but most women I think would find that you working with women means you know women, you can tolerate all different kids, and you put up with really moody women all day. So....after all that you must be a pretty compassionate empathic man. Just my take on the whole thing. I know male ob/gyn's really do it b/c they love babies and the surgery...it isn't sexual at all. so....I hope most women see that and know that.
 
LOL this thread is gold and ive just read the first 3 replies.... i love u silly feminazi OBGyNs
 
LOL this thread is gold and ive just read the first 3 replies.... i love u silly feminazi OBGyNs

Are we to assume that your comment, and refreshment of such an old/tired thread is supposed to provide the rest of us with some useful information regarding the field of Obstetrics and Gynecology? Honestly, can you spare the members of this forum your insightful comments!

Last I checked, SDN was comprised of medical "professionals" in various levels of training and practice. Lets be productive, and reserve such remarkably intelligent comments such as "femnazi OBGyNs" for other venues!
 
As a patient, I personally do not have a problem with a man. As long as a nurse would be in the room (more emotional support for me), but I have been a long time patient of different departments for 20 out of 21 years of my life.

though I have to admit, this is one department I have yet to venture into. will be going shortly so I do not know if my answer will change, but I have had a male doc examine my breasts when there was a question about a tumor that has always been there changing color and I was ok with that.
 
My wife prefers a female gyn, one of her best friends will only see male gyns.

I really like OB - got one continuity delivery in FM residency and one C-section first assist prior to resigning, and I got to first assist 11 cc-sections in med school. I really liked c-sections and delivery.

However I do not like typical gyn visits.

One of the OB's I precepted with is getting out of the business (due to one lawsuit over a c-section) to start a bed and breakfast in Belize, and next to his office is a female OB. He feels its harder to be a male OB, and that he loses patients to the ffemale OB. But when I precepted with him, he delivered something like 45 babies a month. Even Medicaid was $2,000 a pop. He had several nurse midwives and his clinic grossed a little over 3 mill a year.
 
Uh not to encourage Janice, but from what I understand women who arent sexually active are not required or advised to get a PAP

Cervical cancer is caused by HPV which is spread sexually. Not "everyone with a cervix" is at risk for cancer.

Ovarian cancer is not picked up by a PAP.

From the college of family physicians of canada

When should I begin having Pap smears?
You should have your first Pap smear when you start having sex or by the time you reach age 18. Keep having Pap smears throughout your life, even after you've gone through menopause.

How often should I have a Pap smear?
Some physicians think you should have a Pap smear every year. Others think you should have a Pap smear once a year until you've had a least three normal ones. After this, you should have a Pap smear at least every three years as long as they stay normal. Ask your doctor what they think about how often you need a Pap smear.

Certain things may put you at higher risk of cervical cancer. Your doctor will consider these things when recommending how often you should have a Pap smear. Also talk with your doctor about how often you need a Pap smear if you're older than 65. If you have irregular bleeding or very heavy periods, or bleeding after sex or after menopause, see your doctor. You may need a Pap smear as a part of the exam for these symptoms. If you have had a hysterectomy ask your doctor if you still need to have Pap smears.


What puts me at risk of cervical cancer?
The main risk factors for cervical cancer are related to sexual practices. Much of this risk seems to be related to diseases that can be passed by having sex. These sexually transmitted infections (STIs) may affect your cells in a way that makes them more likely to undergo changes that can lead to cancer. These diseases include HPV, herpes, gonorrhea, and chlamydia. HPV seems to be very closely connected with these changes.

http://www.cfpc.ca/English/cfpc/programs/patient education/pap smear/default.asp?s=1

As for myself, I have considered OB-GYN mainly because of the OB part. The idea of caring for a woman from the start of pregnancy to delivery seems like an extremely rewarding job.
I think Ill probably do family with a 1 year fellowship in OB
 
I have been going to my male OBGYN for over 20 years. I have read some of the posts below and I am shocked by the narrow-mindedness of some of the females replying about women only feeling comfortable with women. For some women, that may be true, but do not speak for all of us. This kind of nonsense is what is causing males to turn away from the specialty. We have males in our program and they are respected and loved by our patients. For those males who are interested in going OBGYN, go ahead and apply. There are plenty of programs who want you and plenty of females who will go to you as a physician.
 
Honestly, and granted I am an oddball and I know it, I prefer male doctors - period. Something about having a female examine me is just a little weird sometimes. I have just always felt more comfortable with a male doctor, as long as he does not make me feel like he is thinking things and keeps it strictly medical and professional! If he does not I am out of there in a flash!
 
Though I'm not single, I'm a female pre-med that's very interested in Ob/Gyn herself. I'll answer!

I saw 2 different female doctors before I became a patient of my current group. I was obvioulsy nervous about seeing a male Ob/Gyn at first (my BP was pretty damn high that day!), but they are great (personable and informative). I haven't seen the female doctor in the practice yet (she just got back from maternity leave herself), and I know she is nice but I love my male doctors.

There's no way to say this without it sounding weird, of the Ob/Gyns that have given me a pelvic exam, they are the best. With my female doctors, one was too rough and the other used so much KY I felt like an extra in a monster movie. Both of my male Ob/Gyns are gentle, but do their pelvic exams very quickly, and I have NEVER felt uncomfortable because they were men.

I've had such a significant difference in my experience that I can't help but think maybe they (sub)consciously are concerned with how some of their patients might feel about them, and over-compensate, but I really don't care. Every woman I know IRL that doesn't like the idea of seeing a male Ob/Gyn hasn't actually been to one, and there are at least a few of us at my work that adore our male Ob/Gyns. If they feel their up to it, I would absolutely encourage a man to go into this specialty.
 
Medical schools, some of them and more are following, are changeing that concept of examining women while under anesthesia due to complaints and lawsuits. A lot of medical schools now are getting their permission to be examinined by med students during surgery. There has been too many complaints about that very issue, and now it is being changed. It is now a well known fact about that being such a problem which is the reason for the change.

Men simply find a woman's privates more interesting than a man's privates. It simply is more interesting, and they can't help but feel the need to examine it, whether or not she feels the need for the exam. While no reputable doctor forces the exam in any way, there are some who use intimidation. scare tactics, coercion to get a submission to allow the exam. No reputable doctor would do a gyn exam as part of a pre-employment physical because no public jobs require or mandate the gyn exam to be hired. Any doctor who gives one as an employment exam is probably a pervert. Maybe he is just out of the military and his habits are carrying over to the civilian life. Even government jobs don't require them. Forget the jumbo jet, as the FAA does not require them either for male nor female.

Women need to be more descreet and careful and concerned about opening their legs for a male doctor just because he wants them to. If women did that, there would be less cases of rape from a male gyn doctor or whatever title he held. There is a serious decline in male gynecology and the male doctor feels he is losing something. He feels threatened because he doesn't have the final say so.

lol
 
Global,

It is my opinion that EVERY instance of testimony by an OBG expert should be reviewed by the ABOG and a rating given of that expert's testimony, which could be used in any future trial to give perspective and weight to the testimony. Alternatively, we could eliminate paid testimony by having judges call for free testimony from within the state.

Do we do something or fiddle while Rome burns?
 
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I would like to share my personal pap and exams experiences done by both male and female gynecologist in Baltimore, Maryland. And my definition of a good clean exam by a real gynecologist.

I think It really depends on how clinical you are with your hands, the more clinical, the better - That's how I can tell if my gynecologist is professional or not. You'll come across in your touch as very professional to me, at least, if you do it as if you are examining a plastic dummy. Then that is really good.. And if you are a good looking enough doctor, even better. It's similar to dating for women, if she goes out with a less than perfect man and he tries to touch her, women will deem him dirty; but if she goes out with a studly good looking guy then it's please touch me everywhere, what a dream boat. And youth is everything in a doctor. This job, I believe is more important on how you treat the patient in a zero connection making kind of a way to come across as professional. I do think that by all means go ahead and pursue this as a male practitioner, but you should not do exams when you get past 35-40 since the older you are, the most likely you will be talked about as a pervert. Unless you have a steller reputation from patients.
(again, don't take my word for it)

Sadly, a lots of men in GYN are perverts, examples is this place called JAI Medical Center in Baltimore, Maryland. I had a horrible, extremely painful and violated exam there, which I considered rape, the gynecologist there was in his late 50-60 and he was older asian man very perverted gyn, during my finger exam his face was extremely red and he heeved heavily, like he reached orgasmed, and he somehow made me bleed after the pap exam. And, before my exam he was holding hands with another female patient walking around like lovers, (that should've been my clue to get out!) but he was the only Gynecologist doing all the gyn exams at JAI medical center in 2005 and how do I go about proving that as rape? I walked out of there in disbelief. It was something I had to overcome, very very bad experience. I'm still waiting for the day other female will come forward about this. Nowadays, I pick my doctors on their youthfulness and the institution where they work at. I like residents, since most young doctors are serious about their profession with no alterior motives. Like Hopkins, I'd trust my Vajaja to anyone at Hopkins Hospital male/female there in GYN department pretty much 100%.

I think the misconception that females feel more comfortable with female practioners are not necessarily true. 2 weeks ago I had a GYN exam at UMH with a russian female gyn, and I did feel raped as well. Female can be perverted as well and she was one. But I could not tell from her looks since she was well dressed in her late 40s. She not only did not know how to use a speculum, but told me not to make faces if it hurt and was very rough and perverted. I will never want to go to her again ever. And I blame myself for completely trusting her because she was a female doctor. So as long as your are very clinical with your hands and very professional, then by all means pursue your passion in medicine and build up your reputation, because your reputation as a doctor is everything, since patients are your walking comment cards and referrals.

STICK WITH HOPKINS AND UNIVERISTY OF MARYLAND HOSPITAL IF YOU COME TO BALTIMORE.

If you work else where you will be dealing with very sketchy people in this city.
 
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