People have given up on the quarantine.

[deleted480308]

Your statement is reasonable. Are there people who don't care about the movement and just wanted free stuff, of course. There will always be people who take advantage of any given situation. But something that most people from the outside fail to realize is that some of these protesters who feel marginalized and hopeless have resorted to looting and destroying property as the only means of communicating their frustration. They feel that no one will listen to them otherwise. Virtually nothing has been done to alleviate racial inequality in this country. It has been decades since the Civil Rights laws were passed but only non-African Americans have reaped its benefits.

This brings into question as to what really constitutes a revolution. Is a true revolution possible and what does that entail? Do the masses need to burn and loot? Do they need to take state capitols hostage to be heard, to enact change? Posting BLM on social media will do very little to change the status quo.

I’m going to disagree openly with your implication that a “true believer” looter/arsonist deserves different treatment than a greedy opportunistic looter/arsonist. Screw them both, full stop. I’m fine with lethal force to stop violent criminals

I also disagree with the absurd untruth that “virtually nothing”has been done to try and alleviate inequality. We can debate on the success if you want but there have been some pretty substantial efforts

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[LazyPharmacist2.0]

I also disagree with the absurd untruth that “virtually nothing”has been done to try and alleviate inequality. We can debate on the success if you want but there have been some pretty substantial efforts

What real efforts? This is like saying "oh at least blacks aren't slaves." Yes, they can drink from the same water fountain or eat from the same restaurant or date someone that is not black. That is why you had a white police officer gleefully strangle a black man on the ground with his knee for 9 minutes while his cohorts looked on. But let us take a quick look at history to see how we got here.

The cause of the Civil War and abolishment of slavery had nothing to do with freeing the slaves. The war was needed to economically unite the country by destroying the feudal South. But a narrative that sounded appealing to the masses was needed so slavery became the "issue that divided the nation." That's why very little, if anything, changed for slaves after emancipation. Whites in the North could care less about freeing blacks.

When Civil Right laws were passed, those benefits were meant for the masses of immigrants that would later come to America in the 80s and 90s. Those laws were simply catalysts for globalization. You couldn't have a red neck think he can go on lynching at free will if he saw someone that looked and spoke differently from him or else no one would migrate to America.

Institutionalized racism through a complex web of laws and methods has rendered African Americans unable to benefit from the same laws that paved the way for their counterparts to succeed. Much like how Native Americans have languished at reservations and casinos while unable to enjoy the immense benefits that laws have been passed specifically catered to them. Why do you think that is?

Cute white girls that post hashtag #BLack Lives Matter and change their profile pics to all black is not "substantial efforts." How many do you think would welcome a black guy to have dinner with their family? After the emotional outcry from George Floyd's death dissipates, things will return to as they once were. I will say this though, at the highest stage of capitalism, race and gender will no longer be forms of antagonism among the masses. Everyone on some level becomes exploited. The middle class ceases to exist.

Remember that what drives human history is dialectical materialism.

 

[LazyPharmacist2.0]

Yep, in secret the democrats and republicans like each other and go to parties together. Meanwhile, with respect to foreign policy, Erdogan is being wishy washy about allying with Putin. There is a possibility of WW3 happening

It's deeper than just Dems and Reps, the world is run by global elitists. Why do you think the whole world shut down at the same time in virtually a few days. Even Taliban and other militant groups were enforcing the lockdowns. If we had the capacity for this much cooperation, why isn't there world peace?

 

[deleted480308]

What real efforts? This is like saying "oh at least blacks aren't slaves." Yes, they can drink from the same water fountain or eat from the same restaurant or date someone that is not black. That is why you had a white police officer gleefully strangle a black man on the ground with his knee for 9 minutes while his cohorts looked on. But let us take a quick look at history to see how we got here.

The cause of the Civil War and abolishment of slavery had nothing to do with freeing the slaves. The war was needed to economically unite the country by destroying the feudal South. But a narrative that sounded appealing to the masses was needed so slavery became the "issue that divided the nation." That's why very little, if anything, changed for slaves after emancipation. Whites in the North could care less about freeing blacks.

When Civil Right laws were passed, those benefits were meant for the masses of immigrants that would later come to America in the 80s and 90s. Those laws were simply catalysts for globalization. You couldn't have a red neck think he can go on lynching at free will if he saw someone that looked and spoke differently from him or else no one would migrate to America.

Institutionalized racism through a complex web of laws and methods has rendered African Americans unable to benefit from the same laws that paved the way for their counterparts to succeed. Much like how Native Americans have languished at reservations and casinos while unable to enjoy the immense benefits that laws have been passed specifically catered to them. Why do you think that is?

Cute white girls that post hashtag #BLack Lives Matter and change their profile pics to all black is not "substantial efforts." How many do you think would welcome a black guy to have dinner with their family? After the emotional outcry from George Floyd's death dissipates, things will return to as they once were. I will say this though, at the highest stage of capitalism, race and gender will no longer be forms of antagonism among the masses. Everyone on some level becomes exploited. The middle class ceases to exist.

Remember that what drives human history is dialectical materialism.

A lot going on that post that isn’t based in reality.

that cop being a murderer and his coworkers being cowards (or willing accomplices) doesn’t mean we still haven’t made a lot of effort as a society. when you look at how nearly universal the disgust was for how floyd was killed it’s a pretty great sign that the group conscience has changed dramatically over the last century. When you look at the laws and both how individuals/companies try to not discriminate we have come a long way over the last 100 yrs. It’s really dishonest to wash away that progress with a sarcastic “at least they aren’t slaves”

I don’t care why you think civil rights laws were passed in terms of motivation, it was a good move to objectively state the govt shouldn’t be discriminating against people

I actually agree with you that the govt probably had unification for self-preservation as the impetus for the civil war as opposed to slavery. I will firmly disagree with your blanket “whites didn’t care” as there were a ton of abolitionists who sincerely did

african americans and native americans are both able to benefit from a ton of programs that specifically discriminate in their favor. The fact that not all of them do so doesn’t mean the programs don’t exist. I think the reservation system in general is one of the problems economically for native americans but that’s a rabbit trail from this discussion

I don’t see what some college kid tweeting has to do with anything. I am as unimpressed with them as I am with your query about what races they date. Why do I care who they date?

 

[deleted562805]

What real efforts? This is like saying "oh at least blacks aren't slaves." Yes, they can drink from the same water fountain or eat from the same restaurant or date someone that is not black. That is why you had a white police officer gleefully strangle a black man on the ground with his knee for 9 minutes while his cohorts looked on. But let us take a quick look at history to see how we got here.

The cause of the Civil War and abolishment of slavery had nothing to do with freeing the slaves. The war was needed to economically unite the country by destroying the feudal South. But a narrative that sounded appealing to the masses was needed so slavery became the "issue that divided the nation." That's why very little, if anything, changed for slaves after emancipation. Whites in the North could care less about freeing blacks.

When Civil Right laws were passed, those benefits were meant for the masses of immigrants that would later come to America in the 80s and 90s. Those laws were simply catalysts for globalization. You couldn't have a red neck think he can go on lynching at free will if he saw someone that looked and spoke differently from him or else no one would migrate to America.

Institutionalized racism through a complex web of laws and methods has rendered African Americans unable to benefit from the same laws that paved the way for their counterparts to succeed. Much like how Native Americans have languished at reservations and casinos while unable to enjoy the immense benefits that laws have been passed specifically catered to them. Why do you think that is?

Cute white girls that post hashtag #BLack Lives Matter and change their profile pics to all black is not "substantial efforts." How many do you think would welcome a black guy to have dinner with their family? After the emotional outcry from George Floyd's death dissipates, things will return to as they once were. I will say this though, at the highest stage of capitalism, race and gender will no longer be forms of antagonism among the masses. Everyone on some level becomes exploited. The middle class ceases to exist.

Remember that what drives human history is dialectical materialism.

I think people need to read the 13 th amendment carefully. Slavery is abolished if punishable by death. Institutional racism has happened even after the 60s. During the 80s, there was institutional racism in New York, They see us coming on Netflix is an eye opener. Cocaine epidemic in the 80s, no treatment for black men, just thrown in jail. Or Frank Rizzo and his goons in Philadelphia bombing the building of the Move organization.

 

[LazyPharmacist2.0]

A lot going on that post that isn’t based in reality.

that cop being a murderer and his coworkers being cowards (or willing accomplices) doesn’t mean we still haven’t made a lot of effort as a society. when you look at how nearly universal the disgust was for how floyd was killed it’s a pretty great sign that the group conscience has changed dramatically over the last century. When you look at the laws and both how individuals/companies try to not discriminate we have come a long way over the last 100 yrs. It’s really dishonest to wash away that progress with a sarcastic “at least they aren’t slaves”

I don’t care why you think civil rights laws were passed in terms of motivation, it was a good move to objectively state the govt shouldn’t be discriminating against people

I actually agree with you that the govt probably had unification for self-preservation as the impetus for the civil war as opposed to slavery. I will firmly disagree with your blanket “whites didn’t care” as there were a ton of abolitionists who sincerely did

african americans and native americans are both able to benefit from a ton of programs that specifically discriminate in their favor. The fact that not all of them do so doesn’t mean the programs don’t exist. I think the reservation system in general is one of the problems economically for native americans but that’s a rabbit trail from this discussion

I don’t see what some college kid tweeting has to do with anything. I am as unimpressed with them as I am with your query about what races they date. Why do I care who they date?

If society had made substantial effort in terms of racial equality as you put it, we wouldn't be having all these issues and riots. The people on the ground will overwhelmingly disagree with you.

I never said that programs don't exist that cater to minorities. I stated that through intrigue and sabotage, they are not able to reap the benefits of such said programs.

 

[deleted562805]

It's deeper than just Dems and Reps, the world is run by global elitists. Why do you think the whole world shut down at the same time in virtually a few days. Even Taliban and other militant groups were enforcing the lockdowns. If we had the capacity for this much cooperation, why isn't there world peace?

True, there are other organizations at play. The UN, trilateral commission, and the G7 summit.

 

[LazyPharmacist2.0]

I think people need to read the 13 th amendment carefully. Slavery is abolished if punishable by death. Institutional racism has happened even after the 60s. During the 80s, there was institutional racism in New York, They see us coming on Netflix is an eye opener. Cocaine epidemic in the 80s, no treatment for black men, just thrown in jail. Or Frank Rizzo and his goons in Philadelphia bombing the building of the Move organization.

What people don't get is that the forms of slavery have changed. It went from picking cotton to sharecropping. From there it went on to institutionalized racism which bore fruit to mass incarceration, parent-less homes, drug addiction, and looked down upon by the rest of society.

 

[deleted562805]

If society had made substantial effort in terms of racial equality as you put it, we wouldn't be having all these issues and riots. The people on the ground will overwhelmingly disagree with you.

I never said that programs don't exist that cater to minorities. I stated that through intrigue and sabotage, they are not able to reap the benefits of such said programs.

Even the ones that do exist like Food stamps, literally force poor Black people to not work. If they work, they don’t get the benefits. Which is not right. It’s not empowering them to work for a living.

 

[LazyPharmacist2.0]

Even the ones that do exist like Food stamps, literally force poor Black people to not work. If they work, they don’t get the benefits. Which is not right. It’s not empowering them to work for a living.

It's funny because many people think the welfare system is abused, LOL. You think the government is stupid enough to hand out free money. It's simply a way of marginalizing people.

 

[deleted562805]

What real efforts? This is like saying "oh at least blacks aren't slaves." Yes, they can drink from the same water fountain or eat from the same restaurant or date someone that is not black. That is why you had a white police officer gleefully strangle a black man on the ground with his knee for 9 minutes while his cohorts looked on. But let us take a quick look at history to see how we got here.

The cause of the Civil War and abolishment of slavery had nothing to do with freeing the slaves. The war was needed to economically unite the country by destroying the feudal South. But a narrative that sounded appealing to the masses was needed so slavery became the "issue that divided the nation." That's why very little, if anything, changed for slaves after emancipation. Whites in the North could care less about freeing blacks.

When Civil Right laws were passed, those benefits were meant for the masses of immigrants that would later come to America in the 80s and 90s. Those laws were simply catalysts for globalization. You couldn't have a red neck think he can go on lynching at free will if he saw someone that looked and spoke differently from him or else no one would migrate to America.

Institutionalized racism through a complex web of laws and methods has rendered African Americans unable to benefit from the same laws that paved the way for their counterparts to succeed. Much like how Native Americans have languished at reservations and casinos while unable to enjoy the immense benefits that laws have been passed specifically catered to them. Why do you think that is?

Cute white girls that post hashtag #BLack Lives Matter and change their profile pics to all black is not "substantial efforts." How many do you think would welcome a black guy to have dinner with their family? After the emotional outcry from George Floyd's death dissipates, things will return to as they once were. I will say this though, at the highest stage of capitalism, race and gender will no longer be forms of antagonism among the masses. Everyone on some level becomes exploited. The middle class ceases to exist.

Remember that what drives human history is dialectical materialism.

There is something worth reading called the King Alfred Plan, from a novel by John A Williams , The Man Who Cried I Am. Based on a fiction novel, but it has now become a reality with these riots. This plan to be enforced when there is riots due to racism

 

[deleted480308]

Even the ones that do exist like Food stamps, literally force poor Black people to not work. If they work, they don’t get the benefits. Which is not right. It’s not empowering them to work for a living.

You know what empowers someone to work for a living? Working for a living. You just get a job and keep moving up, or get a reasonable degree at a community college. Boom. Middle class

it isn’t rocket science

 

[deleted480308]

It's funny because many people think the welfare system is abused, LOL. You think the government is stupid enough to hand out free money. It's simply a way of marginalizing people.

Awesome idea. End welfare, personal and corporate

 

[deleted480308]

If society had made substantial effort in terms of racial equality as you put it, we wouldn't be having all these issues and riots. The people on the ground will overwhelmingly disagree with you.

I never said that programs don't exist that cater to minorities. I stated that through intrigue and sabotage, they are not able to reap the benefits of such said programs.

Intrigue?

 

[deleted562805]

You know what empowers someone to work for a living? Working for a living. You just get a job and keep moving up, or get a reasonable degree at a community college. Boom. Middle class

it isn’t rocket science

Many poor people do want to work, but it is not as easy as you think.

Why community colledge? They should be able to go to a four year colledge, not just a community colledge. It’s not like 4 year programs are affordable for only middle class , as many of the middle class are stuck in student loan debt and are not able to repay the debt.

 

[footfairy]

I think people need to read the 13 th amendment carefully. Slavery is abolished if punishable by death. Institutional racism has happened even after the 60s. During the 80s, there was institutional racism in New York, They see us coming on Netflix is an eye opener. Cocaine epidemic in the 80s, no treatment for black men, just thrown in jail. Or Frank Rizzo and his goons in Philadelphia bombing the building of the Move organization.

Wilson Goode was the mayor who bombed the MOVE compound. Frank Rizzo was the mayor during the MOVE9 police shooting.

 

[deleted480308]

Many poor people do want to work, but it is not as easy as you think.

Why community colledge? They should be able to go to a four year colledge, not just a community colledge. It’s not like 4 year programs are affordable for only middle class , as many of the middle class are stuck in student loan debt and are not able to repay the debt.

I was poor, it really isn’t that hard to get an entry level trade job and just keep showing up to work

I mentioned community college because they are cheap, they are everywhere, and you can get a reasonable paying job through them. Anyone who went to a 4yr school and has no hope of paying off their loans did a really bad return on investment calculation

 

[wagrxm2000]

Haven't been reading this lately but just wanted to say so does protesting trump social distancing?

 

[LazyPharmacist2.0]

Haven't been reading this lately but just wanted to say so does protesting trump social distancing?

 

[LazyPharmacist2.0]

You can break social distancing guidelines as long as it's only for protesting. For anything else, please refrain from breaking preventative guidelines

 

[AP191]

I will never understand that. How is it ok to protest with masks on in HUGE congregations (6ft?) but not ok to attend religious services, gyms or beaches en masse (with masks on)?

I think everyone is afraid to be labeled a racist so they are keeping quiet on protests, otherwise the stay at home order in many places would still be in effect.

 

[LazyPharmacist2.0]

I will never understand that. How is it ok to protest with masks in HUGE congregation (6ft?) but not ok to attend religious services, gyms or beaches in mass (with masks on)?

I think everyone is afraid to be labeled a racist so they are keeping quiet on protests, otherwise the stay at home order in many places would still be in effect.

They are using the protests as a way to detract the whole Covid thing. This pandemic was planned from the beginning to fulfill certain objectives. In its 2nd phase, as part of the reopening agenda, the race riots will be used to reassure people that it is safe to come out.

 

[wagrxm2000]

Or the news has decided it's not enough to help Biden win anymore so they have to move on to the protests.

 

[Old Timer]

I will never understand that. How is it ok to protest with masks on in HUGE congregations (6ft?) but not ok to attend religious services, gyms or beaches en masse (with masks on)?

I think everyone is afraid to be labeled a racist so they are keeping quiet on protests, otherwise the stay at home order in many places would still be in effect.

Because you don't understand how this virus spreads:

Avoid the three C's

• Closed spaces
• Crowded places
• Close-contact settings

Physical distancing is best. Spread outdoors is much less problematic than spread indoors. That's why religious services, Gyms and Restaurants are the biggest problem. The are 3 for 3 in the three C's. Or put it this way. It's safer to go to football or baseball game than a basketball or hockey fame.

This article is in pre-print but it's pretty cool.
Clustering and superspreading potential of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) infections in Hong Kong

Nobody is afraid to be racist. There have been many recommendations in the lay press where authorities recommend everyone at a protest get tested.

If you attended a protest should you get tested for coronavirus?

Protests could spur corona-virus outbreaks, and protesters should get tested, the CDC chief says

Illinois expands COVID-19 testing to all and urges those who participated in protests to get tested

 

[Old Timer]

Or the news has decided it's not enough to help Biden win anymore so they have to move on to the protests.

The news could care less who wins. They care about clicks and eye balls. Sensation is what they care about.

 

[wagrxm2000]

The news could care less who wins. They care about clicks and eye balls. Sensation is what they care about.

Then why would they change a title after certain Democrats disagreed with it?

 

[WVUPharm2007]

I'm still pretty concerned about the protests creating a new spike in cases. But that's just the good old scientist in me.

 

[Old Timer]

Then why would they change a title after certain Democrats disagreed with it?

Because the protests are a better more sensational story than Covid-19

 

[LazyPharmacist2.0]

Because the protests are a better more sensational story than Covid-19

Your words: "The news could care less who wins. They care about clicks and eye balls. Sensation is what they care about."

If this is the case, why don't you take the same approach with Covid? What makes you think the media didn't sensationalize it?

I'm sure your response will be: we have hard cold data from Covid death counts

 

[wagrxm2000]

Because the protests are a better more sensational story than Covid-19

Thats not what I meant. There was a title that showed Trump in a positive way after the usual Democrats reacted, they quickly changed it.

Look up new York times changes headline.

Interesting isn't it?

 

[Old Timer]

Thats not what I meant. There was a title that showed Trump in a positive way after the usual Democrats reacted, they quickly changed it.

Look up new York times changes headline.

Interesting isn't it?

Because it wasn't accurate. The first person to complain was Nate SIlver , not a Deomocrat

 

[wagrxm2000]

Because it wasn't accurate. The first person to complain was Nate SIlver , not a Deomocrat

Think what you want

 

[MelaNix12]

Because you don't understand how this virus spreads:

Avoid the three C's

• Closed spaces
• Crowded places
• Close-contact settings

Physical distancing is best. Spread outdoors is much less problematic than spread indoors. That's why religious services, Gyms and Restaurants are the biggest problem. The are 3 for 3 in the three C's. Or put it this way. It's safer to go to football or baseball game than a basketball or hockey fame.

This article is in pre-print but it's pretty cool.
Clustering and superspreading potential of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) infections in Hong Kong

Nobody is afraid to be racist. There have been many recommendations in the lay press where authorities recommend everyone at a protest get tested.

If you attended a protest should you get tested for coronavirus?

Protests could spur corona-virus outbreaks, and protesters should get tested, the CDC chief says

Illinois expands COVID-19 testing to all and urges those who participated in protests to get tested

There is no way you are going to convince me that a gym (where people are mostly staying 6 feet apart and wiping down equipment) is more problematic than a protest with thousands of people chanting and yelling in large crowds shoulder to shoulder.

What most scientific experts are doing is they are justifying the protests. Saying that racism is a bigger threat to our national health than coronavirus. So the protests are necessary.

 

[Old Timer]

There is no way you are going to convince me that a gym (where people are mostly staying 6 feet apart and wiping down equipment) is more problematic than a protest with thousands of people chanting and yelling in large crowds shoulder to shoulder.

What most scientific experts are doing is they are justifying the protests. Saying that racism is a bigger threat to our national health than coronavirus. So the protests are necessary.

Why would you are what science says? It's being inside v being outside.

 

[wagrxm2000]

There is no way you are going to convince me that a gym (where people are mostly staying 6 feet apart and wiping down equipment) is more problematic than a protest with thousands of people chanting and yelling in large crowds shoulder to shoulder.

What most scientific experts are doing is they are justifying the protests. Saying that racism is a bigger threat to our national health than coronavirus. So the protests are necessary.

I've learned at this point old timer will not change his mind even when proven wrong.

Are concerts back? There's no reason not to have them right?

 

[VA Hopeful Dr]

Why would you are what science says? It's being inside v being outside.

While that is true, I'd be very surprised if the tightly-packed protests are less dangerous the gyms observing all the proper protocols. Its one thing if its like the protests we've had where I live - people standing shoulder to shoulder, single file all facing in the same direction. Its a whole other story when its thousands of people packed very tightly together.

 

[LazyPharmacist2.0]

The very nature of protests is the antithesis of social distancing guidelines. There is just no other way around it. To publish "scientific data" saying otherwise is not only contradictory but suspect.

The timing of these studies published about super spreaders and public health officials advocating for these protests is beyond coincidence to say the least.

 

[Old Timer]

I've learned at this point old timer will not change his mind even when proven wrong.

Are concerts back? There's no reason not to have them right?

Let's put it this way. I'd go to some concerts outside. I'd go to a baseball game before a hockey game.

 

[wagrxm2000]

Let's put it this way. I'd go to some concerts outside. I'd go to a baseball game before a hockey game.

Really?

I'm proud of your progression.

 

[Emmet2301]

I will never understand that. How is it ok to protest with masks on in HUGE congregations (6ft?) but not ok to attend religious services, gyms or beaches en masse (with masks on)?

I think everyone is afraid to be labeled a racist so they are keeping quiet on protests, otherwise the stay at home order in many places would still be in effect.

I think probably also hindering the right to protest would cause a lot of issues.

 

[wagrxm2000]

I think probably also hindering the right to protest would cause a lot of issues.

Isn't that the point though?

Social distance unless it's not important?

We are still at peak cases everyday but all of a sudden we can be all packed together again?

Are people willing to admit now that closing the economy didn't help at all and only caused pain and suffering.

 

[Old Timer]

Really?

I'm proud of your progression.

The science is showing how the virus spreads. Follow the The Three C's , the less the better.

 

[wagrxm2000]

Once something doesn't fit their narrative, it doesn't matter to them anymore

 

[wagrxm2000]

The science is showing how the virus spreads. Follow the The Three C's , the less the better.

Crowded places I guess doesn't count though.

You can't possibly think if a person is sick in a huge crowd it is ok if it's outside but not inside

 

[AP191]

Because you don't understand how this virus spreads:

Physical distancing is best. Spread outdoors is much less problematic than spread indoors.

I understand just fine. I live in Illinois, and we are currently in phase 3 of reopening which includes limited outdoor gatherings up to groups of 10 of fewer. Wearing a mask in encouraged.

Illinois Enters Phase 3 of Reopening Plan: Here's What's Changing

Much of Illinois will look very different beginning Friday.

www.nbcchicago.com

George Floyd fallout: Lightfoot lifts Chicago curfew; peaceful protesters march through South Side police neighborhoods; hundreds rally for reform in Evanston

Here are the latest updates on the George Floyd fallout in Chicago and the suburbs.

www.chicagotribune.com

" ...a day after a crowd estimated at 20,000 people marched to the Near North Side."

You're telling me a crowd of 20,000 people just a few days ago is better at restricting the virus compared to a few hundred, if that, at a gym where people are mostly spread out? Are you going to tell me the 20k demonstrators were all maintaining social distancing?

Avoid the three C's

• Closed spaces
• Crowded places
• Close-contact settings

These crowds violated at least 2/3 you just listed.

 

[LazyPharmacist2.0]

Once something doesn't fit their narrative, it doesn't matter to them anymore

The narrative is constantly evolving, just like the Covid virus

 

[deleted562805]

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I wonder what Anthony Fauci and Debra Birx are saying about the protests. If they support the protests, that is total hypocrisy.

 

[Old Timer]

I understand just fine. I live in Illinois, and we are currently in phase 3 of reopening which includes limited outdoor gatherings up to groups of 10 of fewer. Wearing a mask in encouraged.

Illinois Enters Phase 3 of Reopening Plan: Here's What's Changing

Much of Illinois will look very different beginning Friday.

www.nbcchicago.com

George Floyd fallout: Lightfoot lifts Chicago curfew; peaceful protesters march through South Side police neighborhoods; hundreds rally for reform in Evanston

Here are the latest updates on the George Floyd fallout in Chicago and the suburbs.

www.chicagotribune.com

" ...a day after a crowd estimated at 20,000 people marched to the Near North Side."

You're telling me a crowd of 20,000 people just a few days ago is better at restricting the virus compared to a few hundred, if that, at a gym where people are mostly spread out? Are you going to tell me the 20k demonstrators were all maintaining social distancing?


These crowds violated at least 2/3 you just listed.

I didn't say I thought this was helpful pandemic wise. It's just less of a risk outside than inside. Being outside is safer. You would not see me at one of these things, for health reasons alone. I think there will be an uptick in cases from it.

 

[deleted562805]

I didn't say I thought this was helpful pandemic wise. It's just less of a risk outside than inside. Being outside is safer. You would not see me at one of these things, for health reasons alone. I think there will be an uptick in cases from it.

Outside in large groups are not safe, period. 20,000 protestors bumping shoulder to shoulder are more likely to be at risk than six people spread apart in a indoor gym wiping everything down. It is irrespective of outside or inside. The number of people you come into contact puts you at risk. People were still going to grocery stores during the COVID-19 and maintained six feet. You can’t justify these protests, because they don’t fit with the pandemic guidelines

 

[LazyPharmacist2.0]

I wonder what Anthony Fauci and Debra Birx are saying about the protests. If they support the protests, that is total hypocrisy.

I'm sure they will say they do. As long as thousands of protesters maintain social distancing in tight spaces everything should be fine. Covid only infects those who don't support Black Lives Matter