Politicians will now decide what treatment should be given to patients.

[alpha12]

Judge’s order on refuted COVID-19 treatment raises old questions about medical authority

The anti-parasite medicine is being studied, but results are not promising, health officials say

www.deseret.com

Doctors, hospitals and parents sometimes clash over the course of treatment for children with life-threatening illnesses, requiring the courts to decide. Courts often hear cases involving mental health and whether an evaluation and treatment should be ordered for someone who doesn't want it or isn’t able to get it. Hospitals and families sometimes disagree on terminating life support.

But even Smith’s attorney, Ralph Lorigo, called it very unusual for a judge to order a specific medicine to be given to a patient, according to the Buffalo News.

Who needs healthcare workers anyway?

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[owlegrad]

Judges are politicians?

 

[WorthlessOxygen]

Judges are politicians?

Elected officials that at least start to blur the line, I would argue

 

[alpha12]

Judges are politicians?

yes. what's worse is some of them are unelected. So unelected politicians might be deciding what treatment you can and can't get. Disgrace.

 

[alpha12]

Elected officials that at least start to blur the line, I would argue

At the state level. In the federal level all are appointed by president.

 

[lord999]

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? As far as I am concerned, if the law backs me administering a quack treatment on patient advocacy and voluntary grounds, I would do it in the spirit of vitam impendere vero.

 

[Dred Pirate]

so a question I have - was this a case of
1. The pt insisting but no doctor would prescribe and the judge is making the dr prescribe?
2. There was a prescribing doctor but the pharmacy/nurse via administration refuses to dispense/administer?

IF it is #2 - I don't have a huge problem with it - even though I think it is a quack treatment and respect a pharmacists ability to not dispense something they feel (meaning have evidence to support - not just based on their beliefs) could harm a patient - provided the release from liability does so 100% and there is absolutely no legal recourse whatsoever.

We do something somewhat similiar when a pt insists on using their own medication that we have on formulary, or when they manage their own insulin pump. The pt has to sign a release of liability if absolutely anything goes wrong that could potentially be tracked back to the offending agent.

 

[alpha12]

so a question I have - was this a case of
1. The pt insisting but no doctor would prescribe and the judge is making the dr prescribe?
2. There was a prescribing doctor but the pharmacy/nurse via administration refuses to dispense/administer?

IF it is #2 - I don't have a huge problem with it - even though I think it is a quack treatment and respect a pharmacists ability to not dispense something they feel (meaning have evidence to support - not just based on their beliefs) could harm a patient - provided the release from liability does so 100% and there is absolutely no legal recourse whatsoever.

We do something somewhat similiar when a pt insists on using their own medication that we have on formulary, or when they manage their own insulin pump. The pt has to sign a release of liability if absolutely anything goes wrong that could potentially be tracked back to the offending agent.

it is number 2. I don't agree with it because the doctor is from outside the hospital. Anyone now can get any nutjob doctor to prescribe anything and hospitals will need to treat them even if they don't agree with it.

 

[Dred Pirate]

it is number 2. I don't agree with it because the doctor is from outside the hospital. Anyone now can get any nutjob doctor to prescribe anything and hospitals will need to treat them even if they don't agree with it.

does this doctor have privileges? If not - then I am on board with you- can a judge force a hospital to grant privileges? - if he does have privileges, I stand by earlier statement - If he does and the hospital has a problem with it (which they obviously do) there is a process to go about revoking them (I have seen it)

 

[WorthlessOxygen]

At the state level. In the federal level all are appointed by president.

Both judges mentioned in the article are elected

 

[alpha12]

Both judges mentioned in the article are elected

cool. Still politicians.

 

[alpha12]

does this doctor have privileges? If not - then I am on board with you- can a judge force a hospital to grant privileges? - if he does have privileges, I stand by earlier statement - If he does and the hospital has a problem with it (which they obviously do) there is a process to go about revoking them (I have seen it)

Sounds like they don't. The patient just found a random doctor to prescribe it and not affiliated with the hospital.

 

[Rockinacoustic]

I don't agree with the precedent this ruling sets, but I'm surprised the hospital even let this go to trial. How many times have these providers refused to prescribe a zpak for a viral infection when the patient demanded it?

 

[zelman]

I don't agree with the precedent this ruling sets, but I'm surprised the hospital even let this go to trial. How many times have these providers refused to prescribe a zpak for a viral infection when the patient demanded it?

ICU docs are not the same as Urgent Care docs.

 

[RxPreceptor]

I think we can all agree from how this pandemic has played out & continues that politicians, journalists, news/media/etc. are clearly unfit to have ANY meaningful authority or even say in matters of medicine & healthcare. The blatant lack of background education & experience is apparent & just leads to greater chaos/confusion/disorder/irrationality for the masses

 

[mentos]

Judge’s order on refuted COVID-19 treatment raises old questions about medical authority

The anti-parasite medicine is being studied, but results are not promising, health officials say

www.deseret.com

Who needs healthcare workers anyway?

Heard on the radio the other day, the worst job during pandemic is restaurant worker and teacher. No mention of healthcare workers at all. How about ICU nurse?

 

[alpha12]

Heard on the radio the other day, the worst job during pandemic is restaurant worker and teacher. No mention of healthcare workers at all. How about ICU nurse?

Yes but at least nurses be getting paid.

 

[BidingMyTime]

While I disagree with the ruling, as others have mentioned, this wasn't a case of the patient asking the doctor to prescribe/order the drug for him. There was an actual licensed doctor who was saying the patient needed the drug. I also agree with others that a doctor who doesn't have privilege's at the hospital, has no right to be demanding certain drugs for the patient. My thinking is, if the patient trust this doctor, more than the doctors treating him at the hospital, then he is free to check out AMA and then get treatment with that doctor.
But, in no way was the judge trying to practice medicine, he just sided with the non-affiliated doctor over the hospital-affiliated doctors, perhaps it was a bad ruling on the judges part, perhaps it was bad legal on the hospitals part--I don't know enough about how the case was presented to have an opinion on that.

 

[alpha12]

Judge says Ohio hospital cannot be forced to give ivermectin, reversing earlier decision

"Public policy should not and does not support allowing physicians to try 'any' type of treatment on human beings," the judge wrote.

www.nbcnews.com

Another judge reversed order

Ralph Lorigo, one of the attorneys representing Julie Smith, said they will not appeal Oster’s decision since Jeffery Smith already received 13 days of doses and the hospital said they are ready to take him off the ventilator soon.

“Julie has won this case; I don’t care what this judge says,” Lorigo told the outlet. “We are believers he’s going to survive because of ivermectin.”

You have to be ****ing kidding me.

 

[PikminOC]

Congress, white house, and postal service are exempt from vaccine mandate.

 

[PikminOC]

Yes but at least nurses be getting paid.

Yes they are getting bank now especially because nurses who don't want vaccine are leaving hospitals. So the ones left are more valuable.

 

[PikminOC]

How are politicians not going after the quacks who do stem cell, thermography, iv infusions, if they don't think people should be able to prescribe just anything?