People have given up on the quarantine.

[deleted562805]

I'm sure they will say they do. As long as thousands of protesters maintain social distancing in tight spaces everything should be fine. Covid only infects those who don't support Black Lives Matter

However, social distancing is nonexistent in these protests. Yep, the narrative spins again to support BLM movement. It is sad that Black Dollars Matter does not get any support

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[owlegrad]

I don't get the dichotomy here. You can support the spirit of the protests AND think that huge gatherings of people isn't smart.

I will say if we accept that people are "done with quarantine" it makes more sense to me to gather for something like social justice than say a sports ball game. At least it is has a little more of a purpose than just entertainment (that you could also get at home). But I suppose it would be fair to say that is my bias showing.

 

[LazyPharmacist2.0]

I don't get the dichotomy here. You can support the spirit of the protests AND think that huge gatherings of people isn't smart.

I will say if we accept that people are "done with quarantine" it makes more sense to me to gather for something like social justice than say a sports ball game. At least it is has a little more of a purpose than just entertainment (that you could also get at home). But I suppose it would be fair to say that is my bias showing.

The protests are fine to have. The contradiction comes from public health officials and authorities arbitrarily defining when it is to ok to come out. If this virus is deadly as it was depicted, why are we making exceptions?

People were not allowed to see their dying loved ones or bury them out of fear of spreading the virus. But thousands can march shoulder to shoulder and protest and this won't pose a health risk?

 

[LazyPharmacist2.0]

From the New York Times, WHO just declared asymptomatic transmission as very rare.

In other words, quarantining the healthy and young was pointless.

 

[Old Timer]

Well the Former head of the CDC disagrees:

 

[JustFillIt]

Well the Former head of the CDC disagrees:

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Funny how these media outlets always find “former whoever” or “retired nobodies” that fit their narrative any time a subject matter is discussed.

 

[Old Timer]

Funny how these media outlets always find “former whoever” or “retired nobodies” that fit their narrative any time a subject matter is discussed.

First, it's not a media outlet it's his Twitter feed. Second., he is a respected scientist. You might as well scream Fake News, just because you don't agree. Show me a study or a scientist that says otherwise.

 

[JustFillIt]

First, it's not a media outlet it's his Twitter feed. Second., he is a respected scientist. You might as well scream Fake News, just because you don't agree. Show me a study or a scientist that says otherwise.

Nah that’s ok - I’ll keep shootin’ From the hip on this one. These days really don’t care who says what anymore. My gut is what I have evolved to trust.

I don’t get caught up in catchy phrases like, “fake news”... Give me a break

 

[Old Timer]

Nah that’s ok - I’ll keep shootin’ From the hip on this one. These days really don’t care who says what anymore. My gut is what I have evolved to trust.

I don’t get caught up in catchy phrases like, “fake news”... Give me a break

Shootin from the hip. As in "that's what I feel, screw the experts" "I'm my own expert. I know better than Tom Friedan. Were you director of the CDC,? Did you run the US government response to Ebola? Did you run the NYC Dept of Public health? Are you an infectious disease specialist?

So I'll take my former whoever” or “retired nobodies” over a pharmacist who obvious knows nothing about Covid-19 who shoots from the hip. Were you asked to testify before Congress because you shoot from the hip with 100% accuracy?

Give me a break.

 

[JustFillIt]

Shootin from the hip. As in "that's what I feel, screw the experts" "I'm my own expert. I know better than Tom Friedan. Were you director of the CDC,? Did you run the US government response to Ebola? Did you run the NYC Dept of Public health? Are you an infectious disease specialist?

So I'll take my former whoever” or “retired nobodies” over a pharmacist who obvious knows nothing about Covid-19 who shoots from the hip. Were you asked to testify before Congress because you shoot from the hip with 100% accuracy?

Give me a break.

Yea dude - there is something comforting about taking the high road. Makes it easier on you. Wether you like it or not I am smart enough to think for myself. You are too! Maybe you just don’t know it yet!

 

[Old Timer]

Yea dude - there is something comforting about taking the high road. Makes it easier on you. Wether you like it or not I am smart enough to think for myself. You are too! Maybe you just don’t know it yet!

I think for myself after researching the topic and consulting experts. You on the other hand, shoot from the hip. I presented expert opinopn that backs my (thinking for myself) opinion it is less likeley to get infected outside rather than inside. Unless you have data otherwise, I ill keep my opnion right where it is. I like evidence. Show me some.....

 

[JustFillIt]

I think for myself after researching the topic and consulting experts. You on the other hand, shoot from the hip. I presented expert opinopn that backs my (thinking for myself) opinion it is less likeley to get infected outside rather than inside. Unless you have data otherwise, I ill keep my opnion right where it is. I like evidence. Show me some.....

Nah I’m good...

 

[Old Timer]

Nah I’m good...

Thought so. Have good day. Make sure you re-load.

 

[JustFillIt]

Thought so. Have good day. Make sure you re-load.

 

[ValeRx]

So much confirmation bias. It's actually pretty funny.

 

[deleted562805]

Well the Former head of the CDC disagrees:

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All this expert said is that protests outdoors are less riskier than protests indoors. And then he goes into another subject about how chemical irritants can pose a risk for COVID-19. Two disjointed statements.

You can’t prove that protesting outdoors shoulder to shoulder in large groups on top of tear gas and rioting stores is less riskier than 6 people spread apart working out and wiping everything down in a gym.

 

[owlegrad]

All this expert said is that protests outdoors are less riskier than protests indoors. And then he goes into another subject about how chemical irritants can pose a risk for COVID-19. Two disjointed statements.

You can’t prove that protesting outdoors shoulder to shoulder in large groups on top of tear gas and rioting stores is less riskier than 6 people spread apart working out and wiping everything down in a gym.

So what?

 

[ValeRx]

All this expert said is that protests outdoors are less riskier than protests indoors. And then he goes into another subject about how chemical irritants can pose a risk for COVID-19. Two disjointed statements.

You can’t prove that protesting outdoors shoulder to shoulder in large groups on top of tear gas and rioting stores is less riskier than 6 people spread apart working out and wiping everything down in a gym.

Surely it's alright if we get our hair cut outside, then?

 

[LazyPharmacist2.0]

Damn y'all just got toxic

 

[deleted562805]

So what?

Prove my statement is wrong

 

[LazyPharmacist2.0]

So what?

Experts with contradicting ideas and data can be conjured at a moment's notice. At this point it's futile, so much contradictory information out there. It's sad to say the least.

 

[lord999]

Prove my statement is wrong

Unfortunately goes both ways:
"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence."

On the masks, this is all expert opinion right now. There are actually lab studies being conducted with those N95 masks. The experts have gotten it wrong enough times that I am waiting for the evidence. I am wearing an N99 mask (which is hard to breathe through) mainly to prevent transmission to others, I doubt it protects me. But, based on how badly most people I see wear those masks, they might as well not. A lot of the cloth masks are too thin for particulate exclusion. It's about as bad as condom compliance.

 

[LazyPharmacist2.0]

Unfortunately goes both ways:
"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence."

On the masks, this is all expert opinion right now. There are actually lab studies being conducted with those N95 masks. The experts have gotten it wrong enough times that I am waiting for the evidence. I am wearing an N99 mask (which is hard to breathe through) mainly to prevent transmission to others, I doubt it protects me. But, based on how badly most people I see wear those masks, they might as well not. A lot of the cloth masks are too thin for particulate exclusion. It's about as bad as condom compliance.

Wearing masks for the general public is useless. They offer very little protection and actually cause more harm from extended use. Even Tony Fauci declared them useless for the public in a 60 minute interview a while back.

Inhibiting oxygen intake will cause the release of stress hormone cortisol which when reaches elevated levels can cause a cascade of I'll effects.

 

[JustFillIt]

Experts with contradicting ideas and data can be conjured at a moment's notice. At this point it's futile, so much contradictory information out there. It's sad to say the least.

As much as most here would like to bury you and call you crazy - I have to agree with this.

We, as a human species, have royally screwed this entire situation. If we were not so worried about one-upping and/or discrediting the opposing point of view, we may have been able to effectively discover some truth associated with this situation and perhaps made some progress toward a reasonable solution to the matter. Unfortunately, this has become impossible due to human nature, arrogance, and most of all selfishness.

 

[M0df]

Quarantine went out the window even before George Floyd situation. You can't exactly hold it against experts for not speaking out given the circumstances. But you are right, if they say something, they might not get invited back for their tv spot or become unemployed.

As far as this 'independent thinking'... please, we are all listening to someone. Sometimes it is easy to identify and it is Fox, CNN, or CDC. Sometimes it is some guy on YouTube. We are all getting fed secondhand info.

 

[Old Timer]

Surely it's alright if we get our hair cut outside, then?

Yep, way less risky.

 

[Old Timer]

Prove my statement is wrong

Easy, read the statement. "outdoor activities are lower risk than indoor" The statement about the protests is independent of the statement on protesting. As always, Google is your friend. Try and and find one article that shows it's safer indoors. Lay press or not. Every study indicates this is so.

 

[WVUPharm2007]

D.C. National Guard responding to protests test positive for coronavirus

Some Washington D.C. National Guard troops have tested positive for the coronavirus after being deployed to the city to respond to protests over the death of an African-American man in police custody, the military said on Tuesday.

mobile.reuters.com

Well. That's what I was afraid of.

Completely anecdotal, but I'm also noticing an uptick in antibiotics being dispensed at my store. That means more humans are participating in behaviors that make them an infection vector.

I'm really afraid wave two might come on if we aren't careful.

 

[deleted562805]

Easy, read the statement. "outdoor activities are lower risk than indoor" The statement about the protests is independent of the statement on protesting. As always, Google is your friend. Try and and find one article that shows it's safer indoors. Lay press or not. Every study indicates this is so.

The statement also says but large gatherings irrespective whether it is outdoor or not poses a risk. These protests do pose a risk for COVID19. Majority of those protestors are not wearing masks nor are they washing hands. Large groups trumps whether the person is outdoors or not. The protests violate the COVID guidelines

 

[wagrxm2000]

What's with all the talk about a second wave in the fall?

While this first wave isn't at 30k per day anymore, we've consistently been getting around 20k new cases per day.

The first wave isn't even close to being over yet.

 

[M0df]

I agree that the first wave is still here but currently this is presented as a moral victory. I guess you have to give people something positive. Also, some are looking at hospitalizations and daily death totals. Those seem to have dropped a bit from the peak.

I am amused by this facts are facts rhetoric and commercials. Data is data but you can spin it 100 different ways.

 

[Old Timer]

The statement also says but large gatherings irrespective whether it is outdoor or not poses a risk. These protests do pose a risk for COVID19. Majority of those protestors are not wearing masks nor are they washing hands. Large groups trumps whether the person is outdoors or not. The protests violate the COVID guidelines

Believe what you want. You have no evidence, not a single data, point, stydu or even lay press article that says it's safer indoors than outdoors. That does not make all outdoor activities safe, it's just safer oudoors than indoors.

 

[Old Timer]

What's with all the talk about a second wave in the fall?

While this first wave isn't at 30k per day anymore, we've consistently been getting around 20k new cases per day.

The first wave isn't even close to being over yet.

The first wave is slowing if you take the nation as a whole, The large east coast cities near international airports are all showing declining case loads. There are spikes in places where the social distancing has been reduced. How much they will spike, we will have to see. Most respiratory viruses and certainly most Cornavirus are seasonal so that is why they expect a second wave in the fall when cold and flu season hit. We will have to wait and see.

We are much better prepared for it. Doctors know what to look for. Show up in the ER, test positive and they will check your Oxygen saturation and markers of inflammation (D-Dimers, Ferretin, CRP, Procalcitonin, etc), Your OSAT is low and and if those markers are elevated they will admit your ass in a second. Maybe by then we'll save some idea if Colchicine works. Big study at NYU and Montreal to see if Colchicine can reduce inflammation w/o suppressing the immune system. That and we stopped using Hydrocychloroquine and started using Remdesivir. We look for clotting know and start anti-coagulants earlier.

A picture is worth a 1000 words:

 

[LazyPharmacist2.0]

The first wave is slowing if you take the nation as a whole, The large east coast cities near international airports are all showing declining case loads. There are spikes in places where the social distancing has been reduced. How much they will spike, we will have to see. Most respiratory viruses and certainly most Cornavirus are seasonal so that is why they expect a second wave in the fall when cold and flu season hit. We will have to wait and see.

We are much better prepared for it. Doctors know what to look for. Show up in the ER, test positive and they will check your Oxygen saturation and markers of inflammation (D-Dimers, Ferretin, CRP, Procalcitonin, etc), Your OSAT is low and and if those markers are elevated they will admit your ass in a second. Maybe by then we'll save some idea if Colchicine works. Big study at NYU and Montreal to see if Colchicine can reduce inflammation w/o suppressing the immune system. That and we stopped using Hydrocychloroquine and started using Remdesivir. We look for clotting know and start anti-coagulants earlier.

A picture is worth a 1000 words:

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Damn bro, we should appoint you as head of the corona task force

 

[deleted562805]

Believe what you want. You have no evidence, not a single data, point, stydu or even lay press article that says it's safer indoors than outdoors. That does not make all outdoor activities safe, it's just safer oudoors than indoors.

I don’t disagree with you on outdoors activities are less riskier than indoor activities, but you seem to ignore that large group gatherings pose a risk for COVID irrespective of indoors and outdoors. You can’t justify these protests from a logical point of view.
By your logic, Funerals, weddings, parties are not at risk if they are done outdoors. If a gym is an outdoor gym, then people are not at risk working out by your logic. You cannot justify these protests from a health and safety standpoint because they violate 2/3s of COVID guidelines. Large groups of 10 or more people pose a risk of getting COVID. Period.

 

[Old Timer]

I don’t disagree with you on outdoors activities are less riskier than indoor activities, but you seem to ignore that large group gatherings pose a risk for COVID irrespective of indoors and outdoors. You can’t justify these protests from a logical point of view.
By your logic, Funerals, weddings, parties are not at risk if they are done outdoors. If a gym is an outdoor gym, then people are not at risk working out by your logic. You cannot justify these protests from a health and safety standpoint because they violate 2/3s of COVID guidelines. Large groups of 10 or more people pose a risk of getting COVID. Period.

Never did I justify the protests from a health perspective. That is a straw man argument. Wait a few weeks. We will see who is correct. If those cities with protests have spikes out of line with other cities we will have the answer you seek....

 

[allantois]

D.C. National Guard responding to protests test positive for coronavirus

Some Washington D.C. National Guard troops have tested positive for the coronavirus after being deployed to the city to respond to protests over the death of an African-American man in police custody, the military said on Tuesday.

mobile.reuters.com

Well. That's what I was afraid of.

Completely anecdotal, but I'm also noticing an uptick in antibiotics being dispensed at my store. That means more humans are participating in behaviors that make them an infection vector.

I'm really afraid wave two might come on if we aren't careful.

Can’t have a second wave when the first one never went away

 

[ValeRx]

So much for hair cuts killing all the old people...

Two hairstylists who had coronavirus saw 140 clients. No new infections have been linked to the salon, officials say | CNN

No cases of coronavirus have been linked to two Missouri hairstylists who saw 140 clients last month while symptomatic, county health officials said.

www.cnn.com

 

[wagrxm2000]

The first wave is slowing if you take the nation as a whole, The large east coast cities near international airports are all showing declining case loads. There are spikes in places where the social distancing has been reduced. How much they will spike, we will have to see. Most respiratory viruses and certainly most Cornavirus are seasonal so that is why they expect a second wave in the fall when cold and flu season hit. We will have to wait and see.

We are much better prepared for it. Doctors know what to look for. Show up in the ER, test positive and they will check your Oxygen saturation and markers of inflammation (D-Dimers, Ferretin, CRP, Procalcitonin, etc), Your OSAT is low and and if those markers are elevated they will admit your ass in a second. Maybe by then we'll save some idea if Colchicine works. Big study at NYU and Montreal to see if Colchicine can reduce inflammation w/o suppressing the immune system. That and we stopped using Hydrocychloroquine and started using Remdesivir. We look for clotting know and start anti-coagulants earlier.

A picture is worth a 1000 words:

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I really enjoy reading your perspective

The US has been leveling off but the entire world continues to increase

This isn't even close to slowing down.

I'd post a chart but I know you can already find it

 

[PikminOC]

Not sure if they're falsifying anything. They're just doing what they're told? death with covid19 and death by covid19 are being reported as the same. Doctor can diagnose heart attack and the patient happened to have covid19, hospital is reporting it as a covid19 death. Don't think that is illegal if government is enforcing it.

Oh no! Why removed?

 

[allantois]

I really enjoy reading your perspective

The US has been leveling off but the entire world continues to increase

This isn't even close to slowing down.

I'd post a chart but I know you can already find it

Coronavirus infections appear to spike in U.S. even as they decline elsewhere

While many countries are seeing a decline in COVID-19 cases, infections in the United States appear to be spiking, according to documents obtained by Yahoo News.

www.aol.com

 

[wagrxm2000]

Coronavirus infections appear to spike in U.S. even as they decline elsewhere

While many countries are seeing a decline in COVID-19 cases, infections in the United States appear to be spiking, according to documents obtained by Yahoo News.

www.aol.com

Yeah I really don't know what he's talking about. The chances of you getting COVID are no different now compared to April except obviously in New York.

People still use aol?

 

[ValeRx]

People still use aol?

A/S/L?

 

[samven582]

I have given up on this profession

 

[LazyPharmacist2.0]

I have given up on this profession

 

[Old Timer]

Can’t have a second wave when the first one never went away

Depends on where you are. It's a big country. NYC, Philly, the first wave is over. It's on the way out. Other places not so much. We will see when NY, PA, NJ, etc go back to as "normal" as possible. Will they uptick? Who knows.

US Cases:

NY Cases:

PA Cases:

NJ Cases:

Texas Cases:

Florida Cases:

Arizona Cases:

 

[LazyPharmacist2.0]

More cases should be expected as the country is lifting stay at home restrictions. People who should have been exposed to the virus if no lockdown was implemented are now contracting it. All the lockdown achieved was delay herd immunity and for those keen on insisting that it "flattened the curve."

 

[lane one]

Traditional methods of diagnosing and epidemiology have been thrown out the window for this "novel" coronavirus. Covid lovers like to gloss over this. Never in history have humans quarantined the healthy ( revisionists like to mention 1918 flu pandemic).

Besides these irregularities, the timing of these race protests need to be questioned. It is regretful what happened to George Floyd and others like him. Systemic racism is still poisoning our society. That being said, these massive protests are being used for ulterior motives by others. The pandemic and protests are actually related to each other.

Public health authorities and politicians were adamant on social distancing but when these protests happened, they sang a completely different tune. Furthermore, they gave their support for these protests and encouraged people to come out. Is it a coincidence this happened exactly when states started reopening?

POTUS is not an idiot as many like to claim. He and his cohorts are masterful political tacticians who know how to arouse emotional responses. Depending on the narrative chosen, Trump should be reelected. These riots will bolster his voter base and he will use them to further divide this nation.

I'm stealing this. I plan on yelling it at anyone wearing a full face shield and gloves at the grocery store.

Covid lover!....covid lover!....COVID LOVER!

 

[PharmtoCS]

I wonder what @VictorOfHungerGames has to say about the recent spike in hospitalizations now that many states have opened up.

Too bad he got banned.

 

[Sine Cura]

Reporting bias, death FROM COVID vs death BY COVID!!!!!11one