Dating in Med School for a Girl? Disturbing Trend?

[famoussquamous]

I hear plenty of men complaining about it on the internet.

Yet you hear females complaining about "slut shaming" both on the internet and in real life. One is definitely seen as more "wrong" or un-PC (the slut shaming) than the other (the virgin shaming). Heck, virgin males are one of the few groups of people that are "ok" to marginalize and ridicule.

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[Mad Jack]

that's because higher risk = higher reward.

It's more just a supply and demand thing. It isn't as easy to find a really attractive woman that is willing to do porn that it is to find a man willing to bang a hot girl on camera. With the advent of Viagra, the greatest advantage the male porn actors with solid careers had has been eroded (that advantage being the ability to keep it up on camera for hours on and off). Many of the men in porn work for nearly nothing (and sometimes actually nothing) outside of the big studio productions. There was a great documentary on this a while back, I wish I could remember the name of it...

 

[charmiedermie]

What did you want me to say? It's a real life phenomenon. Male virginity is mocked in our culture all the time (think about movies like Superbad, the 40 year old Virgin, the American Pie series, etc) You can shoot back that they're just movies, but they reflect the ideals of contemporary culture.

BY OTHER MEN.

 

[touchpause13]

It's more just a supply and demand thing. It isn't as easy to find a really attractive woman that is willing to do porn that it is to find a man willing to bang a hot girl on camera. With the advent of Viagra, the greatest advantage the male porn actors with solid careers had has been eroded (that advantage being the ability to keep it up on camera for hours on and off). Many of the men in porn work for nearly nothing (and sometimes actually nothing) outside of the big studio productions. There was a great documentary on this a while back, I wish I could remember the name of it...

Oh I agree, it's certainly supply and demand, but I think there is less supply of female performers because they take a greater risk. Once you do a pornographic film as a woman that can always be brought up and used against you if you try and have a different career later. As well as risk of pregnancy, STIs, rape are all going to be higher for a girl trying to break into the industry.

 

[famoussquamous]

Please don't take this personally @famoussquamous but very few of your posts have been anything outside of illogical and hypocritical.




^^^ in reference to high earning men esteeming strippers and escorts as proper mothers and wives



^^^^ asserting that men don't respect promiscuous women



Asserting that trash comedy is reflective of contemporary culture when its just reflective of the writers, directors and the people who have the free time to constantly consume comedy that revolves around human genitalia (i.e., low iq low effort comedy)



^^^ reinforcing that "studies have shown" that virgin or close to virgin females have better marriages after stating that gold diggers, strippers and escorts were still desirable because they were good looking

Different men like different things. Some men only care about looks and couldn't care less about a female's past, others want one with a low number of sexual partners. Also a lot of men are hypocritical in the sense that they want to "mess" with strippers and escorts but still want a pure wife. If you go back and re-read what those posts were addressing you'll realize I'm talking about different things. I'll be the first to admit that men are mostly hypocritical and irrational for the sexual standards we set on women.

 

[jw3600]

100% agree. Same with wanting a girl that's in shape you should be in shape yourself.

You have to realize @touchpause13 that when you don't address both sides of an issue (both the fact that slut shaming exists for females and slut appraisal for males, and virgin appraisal for females but virgin shaming for males) you sound bias and hypocritical and you're less likely to be taken seriously in an argument. The "hold yourself to whatever standards you want in your partners" argument presented here is a good example of the right way to go about it.

Unless there is a large supply of bald women out there I'm not seeing, I see a potential hole in this theory.

 

[touchpause13]

Different men like different things. Some men only care about looks and couldn't care less about a female's past, others want one with a low number of sexual partners. Also men are hypocritical in the sense that they want to "mess" with strippers and escorts but still want a pure wife. I'll be the first to admit that men are mostly hypocritical and irrational for the sexual standards we set on women.

that was pretty much my entire point, because of that women shouldn't have to feel obligated to abide by these crazy standards and should instead do what they think is right for them

 

[WildZoo]

let's compare to peacocks. so a male peacock shows off his stuff and if thats good enough for the female peacock, she's like "alright lets do this "

now imagine a male peacock with a really cool pattern, who tons of female peacocks approved of. obviously that validates him since his pattern is sweet.

now imagine a female peacock who gets with every dude. clearly her standards aren't that high, because not every peacock has a sick pattern. thus her value is lowered.

Are you really trying to support your argument based on peafowl sexuality? Really? I mean, if birds do it that way then clearly humans must be the same. Not like human relationships are more complex than mate selection strictly for reproductive purposes or anything. Here, let me pull out another random example. Let's go with a mammal since we're more closely related to those than birds. When a lion wants to hook up with a lioness that already has cubs, he'll kill them so she'll be ready to mate again. Therefore, it's perfectly reasonable for a man to kill a woman's children so she'll have children with him.

Back to your example, peahens (and yes, they are peahens, or female peafowl...) mate with one male per mating season because, surprise, they are only mating for reproductive purposes. Once their eggs are fertilized there is no reason for them to continue to mate. Males don't give a damn how many times the female has mated in the past, nor would they know. The female does her thing and then leaves. The next season she most likely mates with a different male. Your example is beyond ridiculous. There are many, many examples of males trying to keep females from mating with other males after them, but you'd be hard pressed to find a situation where a male would turn a female away because she had too many reproductive partners in the past.

 

[famoussquamous]

Men and women don't just hold up each other to random B.S. standards "just because".
It's a reflection of what we naturally tend to value as a hetero man or woman.
Don't worry about fairness too much- women's standards can be just as brutal. Like I said before, a short, virgin, high-pitched assistant kindergarten schoolteacher of a man isn't going to get much out of women in most cases.

Why is it that it's okay to say something like this, but post what a lot of men want and find attractive everyone attacks you and thinks you're "wrong"

 

[BurghStudent]

Men and women don't just hold up each other to random B.S. standards "just because".
It's a reflection of what we naturally tend to value as a hetero man or woman.
Don't worry about fairness too much- women's standards can be just as brutal. Like I said before, a short, virgin, high-pitched assistant kindergarten schoolteacher of a man isn't going to get much out of women in most cases.

There is truth here, but I like to expend my efforts toward the exception.

I'm a guy, and I hold myself up to these standards, because that's the kind of girl I want. Does she think that's lame? Then she's not going to become Mrs. BurghStudent.

 

[famoussquamous]

that was pretty much my entire point, because of that women shouldn't have to feel obligated to abide by these crazy standards and should instead do what they think is right for them

I said the same thing. All I said is that if you don't want men to shame women for what they do, you shouldn't shame men for what they think.

 

[wiggitywack12]

Different men like different things. Some men only care about looks and couldn't care less about a female's past, others want one with a low number of sexual partners. Also men are hypocritical in the sense that they want to "mess" with strippers and escorts but still want a pure wife. I'll be the first to admit that men are mostly hypocritical and irrational for the sexual standards we set on women.

Several users have tried to express the bolded to you, but you insisted that your views gleaned from films such as American Pie and websites filled with emotionally unwell adolescent boys were more accurate. Pick a set of viewpoints and stand by them.

The first quote was in response to me saying that I didn't think that men with high socioeconomic standing would want a stripper or escort raising his kids or being his wife, you then said your bit about men wanting to "save" these types of women, whatever that means...you just seem to pull whatever completely ignorant inaccurate quip you read on the internet out of your behind, post it as truth and then flip it when it gets exposed as bs. Again, if you're going to make sweeping gender based statements and tout them as truth you can't keep flip flopping when they get turned on their heads. Stand by them until the end, they're your views and that's fine, but not everyone is going to let you call it truth without backing it up.

 

[touchpause13]

Why is it that it's okay to say something like this, but post what a lot of men want and find attractive everyone attacks you and thinks you're "wrong"

Because if you make sweeping generalizations, people will attack you

 

[famoussquamous]

BY OTHER MEN.

And a lot of slut shaming happens by other women.

 

[touchpause13]

I said the same thing. All I said is that if you don't want men to shame women for what they do, you shouldn't shame men for what they think.

I have not done that.

 

[NontradCA]

This thread...

First of all, what is @touchpause13 doing out of the kitchen?

 

[famoussquamous]

Because if you make sweeping generalizations, people will attack you

No one attacked him for saying women wouldn't find that type of guy attractive. He said "most women wouldn't find this type of guy attractive" and no one said he was wrong.

 

[Mad Jack]

tl;dw

 

[touchpause13]

This thread...

First of all, what is @touchpause13 doing out of the kitchen?

You trippin

 

[touchpause13]

No one attacked him for saying women wouldn't find that type of guy attractive.

I just got bored of replying to him because he's saying the same crap. I disagree with that post for the record

 

[famoussquamous]

I have not done that.

Aren't you? You've been saying men shouldn't look down on a woman for having a past and that women should be free to do what they want. All I've said is that most men don't want to buy the cow when the milk is free, which is true.

 

[touchpause13]

Aren't you? You've been saying men shouldn't look down on a woman for having a past and that women should be free to do what they want. All I've said is that most men don't want to buy the cow when the milk is free, which is true.

Oh. My. God.

Are you serious? You think that me saying your sexist ideas are bullcrap is shaming what men think?

 

[charmiedermie]

And a lot of slut shaming happens by other women.

Not really. Who is the first to believe a woman is making up rape accusations? Or she deserved it based on how she was acting, dressed, etc.? Certainly not most other women. Rush Limbaugh wasn't a woman, in his tirade against Sandra Fluke.

 

[famoussquamous]

Several users have tried to express the bolded to you, but you insisted that your views gleaned from films such as American Pie and websites filled with emotionally unwell adolescent boys were more accurate. Pick a set of viewpoints and stand by them.

The first quote was in response to me saying that I didn't think that men with high socioeconomic standing would want a stripper or escort raising his kids or being his wife, you then said your bit about men wanting to "save" these types of women, whatever that means...you just seem to pull whatever completely ignorant inaccurate quip you read on the internet out of your behind, post it as truth and then flip it when it gets exposed as bs. Again, if you're going to make sweeping gender based statements and tout them as truth you can't keep flip flopping when they get turned on their heads. Stand by them until the end, they're your views and that's fine, but not everyone is going to let you call it truth without backing it up.

There are men that want strippers and escorts and just care about how hot they are. Lot's of rappers do just that. I don't see how that contradicts my other point about how a lot of men wouldn't want to be with a girl with a major past long term. That's something admitted by many men, including on here. I said earlier that any "truth" you say about gender isn't gonna be a rule that applies to 100%.

 

[Mad Jack]

100% agree. Same with wanting a girl that's in shape you should be in shape yourself.

You have to realize @touchpause13 that when you don't address both sides of an issue (both the fact that slut shaming exists for females and slut appraisal for males, and virgin appraisal for females but virgin shaming for males) you sound bias and hypocritical and you're less likely to be taken seriously in an argument. The "hold yourself to whatever standards you want in your partners" argument presented here is a good example of the right way to go about it.

Seriously though, no one really cares about whether a person is a virgin or not. Like, I have two friends that were virgins well into their 20s that both got married to wonderful, beautiful women with great personalities. No one knew they were virgins unless you were really close to them, since that's kind of a private thing. Slut shaming, well- it's easier to see when someone's out getting any than when they're not, let's just put it that way. And they are entirely different sorts of judgement. Slut shaming shames a woman for a personal choice, while shaming a guy for being a virgin (does this even happen outside of like, high school and 4chan?) is generally based on his inability to achieve his personal goals (unless he's holding out for marriage, in which case, who judges someone for that?). Those situations are very different, for several moral and philosophical reasons.

 

[wiggitywack12]

Basically if any of us wants the HONOR of dating @famoussquamous we must be 10/10 stripper-escort who has huge boobs yet is the cleanliest of virgins, we must respect his omniscience, never question his unwavering authority, worship him for his income and yet at the end of the day ladies, we must love him for who he truly is!

Good luck out there @famoussquamous !!!

 

[Mad Jack]

Not really. Who is the first to believe a woman is making up rape accusations? Or she deserved it based on how she was acting, dressed, etc.? Certainly not most other women. Rush Limbaugh wasn't a woman, in his tirade against Sandra Fluke.

In all fairness, I don't even think Rush Limbaugh was human.

 

[WildZoo]

And a lot of slut shaming happens by other women.

Let's point out the people in the recent pages of this thread who have actually been saying that slut-shaming is justified. I wonder how many of them are women

 

[cinnamonlady]

I don't think anything @famoussquamous said is particularly bothersome, except of course when he told me to leave, which made me want to stay. I changed my mind and decided to read a copy of The Scarlet Letter I found on the side of the road earlier today given that this thread has gotten boring. I wish I were kidding, but I am not kidding. It seems I will do anything to get out of going to medical school.

 

[famoussquamous]

Oh. My. God.

Are you serious? You think that me saying your sexist ideas are bullcrap is shaming what men think?

Throwing around buzzwords like "sexist" doesn't make someone wrong. Would you have preferred it if I just lied and said "yeah there isn't a man out there that will judge you for your past"

 

[freemontie]

that was pretty much my entire point, because of that women shouldn't have to feel obligated to abide by these crazy standards and should instead do what they think is right for them

Everyone's been telling you that. Are men coming up to you and demanding you to act a certain way? Arguing with very accurate generalizations (men prefer less promiscuous women as life partners) and getting angry is futile.

 

[touchpause13]

 

[touchpause13]

Throwing around buzzwords like "sexist" doesn't make someone wrong. Would you have preferred it if I just lied and said "yeah there isn't a man out there that will judge you for your past"

Actually comparing a woman to a cow and basically saying that her only value is what lies between her legs is one of the most obviously sexist things I've seen here in a while. Do you still need help with what words mean?

 

[fancymylotus]

Paging @Kaustikos

Cow for sale

 

[wiggitywack12]

There are men that want strippers and escorts and just care about how hot they are. Lot's of rappers do just that. I don't see how that contradicts my other point about how a lot of men wouldn't want to be with a girl with a major past long term. That's something admitted by many men, including on here. I said earlier that any "truth" you say about gender isn't gonna be a rule that applies to 100%.

Who cares what rappers are doing? They aren't exactly known for being wealthy, educated and capable of building long lasting relationships. 99% of the ones who even become relevant at any time go broke in about half the time it took them to get rich. So now your respectable well of knowledge includes the wisdom of not only bro science, trash films but now yes...rappers....things seem to be getting worse with each post, not better...sometimes its better to just step away and regroup. SDN will be here tomorrow.

 

[famoussquamous]

Everyone's been telling you that. Are men coming up to you and demanding you to act a certain way? Arguing with very accurate generalizations (men prefer less promiscuous women as life partners) and getting angry is futile.

She's angry because she knows at some level what we're saying isn't just sexist drivel and the judgement is real out there. There's a difference between saying it exists and explaining why it may exist and saying you have no hope at love just because you have a past.

 

[sunealoneal]

Throwing around buzzwords like "sexist" doesn't make someone wrong. Would you have preferred it if I just lied and said "yeah there isn't a man out there that will judge you for your past"

She's angry because she knows at some level what we're saying isn't just sexist drivel and the judgement is real out there. There's a difference between saying it exists and explaining why it may exist and saying you have no hope at love just because you have a past.

Stating that these people exist wasn't the sexist part. It was the implied endorsement of that view that people are calling sexist.

 

[famoussquamous]

Who cares what rappers are doing? They aren't exactly known for being wealthy, educated and capable of building long lasting relationships. 99% of the ones who even become relevant at any time go broke in about half the time it took them to get rich. So now your respectable well of knowledge includes the wisdom of not only bro science, trash films but now yes...rappers....things seem to be getting worse with each post, not better...sometimes its better to just step away and regroup. SDN will be here tomorrow.

What's sad is you actually think this is a good argument. Saying some rich men/rappers (small subsection of men) like strippers/escorts and want to save them is different from saying many men don't want to settle with a girl with lots of sexual partners. I don't know why you can't get that through your head.

 

[touchpause13]

She's angry because she knows at some level what we're saying isn't just sexist drivel and the judgement is real out there. There's a difference between saying it exists and explaining why it may exist and saying you have no hope at love just because you have a past.

I'm not angry at all. Ask anyone here who knows me, I'm cool as a cucumber right now, but nice job at trying to portray me as emotional in order to discredit what I'm saying - I'm sure no one has ever tried that tactic before!

 

[wiggitywack12]

What's sad is you actually think this is a good argument. Saying some rich men/rappers (small subsection of men) like strippers/escorts and want to save them is different from saying many men don't want to settle with a girl with lots of sexual partners. I don't know why you can't get that through your head.

Most people aren't arguing with you, they're trying to understand why you think the words you're typing are logical when they're not. You mentioned rappers not once but twice in this thread, I simply stated that men who lose their money almost faster than they get it aren't usually what educated people mean when they say wealthy or rich. Lotto winners..rappers...etc. aren't really what I've ever meant in this thread when I say successful.

 

[touchpause13]

Throwing around buzzwords like "sexist" doesn't make someone wrong. Would you have preferred it if I just lied and said "yeah there isn't a man out there that will judge you for your past"

I also must point out that you know literally nothing about my past.

 

[famoussquamous]

I'm not angry at all. Ask anyone here who knows me, I'm cool as a cucumber right now, but nice job at trying to portray me as emotional in order to discredit what I'm saying - I'm sure no one has ever tried that tactic before!

 

[jw3600]

Oh I agree, it's certainly supply and demand, but I think there is less supply of female performers because they take a greater risk. Once you do a pornographic film as a woman that can always be brought up and used against you if you try and have a different career later. As well as risk of pregnancy, STIs, rape are all going to be higher for a girl trying to break into the industry.

You can get pregnant from a facial?

 

[touchpause13]

 

[touchpause13]

You can get pregnant from a facial?

I didn't realize we were only talking about *******

 

[famoussquamous]

I also must point out that you know literally nothing about my past.

I didn't mean "you" specifically.

Most people aren't arguing with you, they're trying to understand why you think the words you're typing are logical when they're not. You mentioned rappers not once but twice in this thread, I simply stated that men who lose their money almost faster than they get it aren't usually what educated people mean when they say wealthy or rich. Lotto winners..rappers...etc. aren't really what I've ever meant in this thread when I say successful.

So if I say one subsection of men prefers these types of females (rappers and ballers that like strippers and escorts), why does it cause so much controversy when I say another group of men may have another set of standards (men that may not want a woman with many partners)?

 

[sunealoneal]

The thread has spun its wheels into its predictable conclusion. Thanks for playing everyone.

 

[famoussquamous]

Actually comparing a woman to a cow and basically saying that her only value is what lies between her legs is one of the most obviously sexist things I've seen here in a while. Do you still need help with what words mean?

Do you even analogy? It seems like you either don't know what an analogy is or you're just looking for an excuse to be offended.

 

[touchpause13]

The thread has spun its wheels into its predictable conclusion. Thanks for playing everyone.

 

[touchpause13]

Do you even analogy?

Do you actually read the words you are writing?