Official 2017-2018 GI Fellowship Application Cycle

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Rejection: Texas A&M and UMass

AMGs
7/17: Methodist Dallas
7/19: Duke
7/20: Cincinnati
7/22: UMissouri-Columbia
7/24: Lehigh Valley, UF-Jacksonville
7/25: Vanderbilt, Cincinnati
7/26: UTSW, UVA
7/26: OHSU
7/27: MGH
7/28: Mayo Rochester
7/28: UVermont
7/31: VCU, Rutgers-RWJMS
8/1: OHSU, Colorado, URochester, Hopkins
8/2: Henry Ford-WSU, UNC, Yale, Hopkins
8/3: Georgetown, Wake Forest, Jackson Memorial Miami
8/4: Cedars-Sinai, Georgetown
8/7: Emory, Ohio State, BU, MGH, Florida-Gainesville
8/8: Brigham
8/9: Georgetown, WVU, UCLA, NYU, University of New Mexico, Wake Forest
8/10: Pittsburgh, Michigan, Brigham, UChicago, UCLA, Loyola
8/11: MCW, Cleveland Clinic Florida, UPenn, Columbia
8/12: Mt. Sinai
8/14: USF, LLUMC, Methodist Houston, Washington University
8/15: Brown, Northwestern, Penn, BIDMC, UCSF, Maryland
8/16: CPMC, UPMC, Cedars-Sinai
8/17: Michigan, Case Western (UH), Aurora, Einstein (Philadelphia)
8/18: UAB, UCSD
8/21: Penn State, Dartmouth, Utah
8/22: NYMC (Westchester)
8/23: Stony Brook, University of Minnesota, University of Pennsylvania
8/24: Kaiser LA
8/25: GWU, UIC, UNC
8/29: UK, OSU, BIDMC, Stanford, OU, USC
8/30: Rush, UC Irvine, UT San Antonio
8/31: Baylor Houston, Cornell, Mt. Sinai
9/1: Tennessee, Rush, Toledo
9/5: Rush
9/6: MUSC, Louisville, Scripps
9/8: UTMB
9/12: Baylor Dallas
9/14: Northshore-LIJ, UT Houston, Medical College of Georgia
9/29: Tufts

IMGs without visa restrictions (US citizens from non-US schools, green card holders)
7/24: Lehigh Valley
7/26: OHSU, UTSW
7/27: Ochsner Clinic
7/29: University of MO columbia
7/31: Rutgers-RWJMS
8/3: VTC-Carilion
8/4: Cedar-Sinai
8/7: UF (Gainesville), Mayo Jacksonville, Emory, UC Davis
8/10: Vanderbilt
8/11: Vidant, Loyola
8/14: LLUMC, Houston Methodist
8/15: Cleveland Clinic
8/16: UMMS-Baystate
8/18: UCSD
8/21: Dartmouth
8/22: Tennessee
8/23: Rochester
8/24: Stanford
8/29: UAMS
8/30: Wright State Univ, Allegheny
8/31: Creighton, Baylor, Drexel
9/1: Toledo, Uni Buffalo
9/6: Montefiore, Advocate Lutheran, UKentucky
9/7: Uni Albany, Univ of Arizona- Phoenix
9/11: Tulane
9/11: Elmhurst
9/13: UCSF Fresno, NYP-Brooklyn Methodist
9/14: UT-Houston
9/15: Tennessee

Visa requiring IMGs
7/19: Ochsner Clinic
7/26: UTSW-Dallas
8/1: Colorado
8/3: Georgetown University
8/7: Emory, VCU, Mayo Jacksonville, UF (Gainesville)
8/9: UNM
8/10: BWH
8/11: Cleveland Clinic Florida
8/14: UPMC
8/15: BIDMC, Maryland/NIH
8/17: U Chicago, Stanford
8/21: Dartmouth, MGH, U Minnesota
8/23: U Minnesota, BU
8/24: Mayo AZ
8/29: Mount Sinai
8/30: Mount Sinai – Beth Israel, Mayo Rochester, UTHSCSA
8/31: Baylor Houston, Cornell
9/1: Rutgers NJMS, Howard, ETSU
9/5 : Elmhurst
9/4: NYU
9/7: U Arizona-Phoenix
9/8: Beaumont
9/12: U Mass
9/13: U Kansas, UCSF-Fresno
9/16, 9/17: SUNY Brooklyn
9/18: medical college of Georgia, Cook County

Rejections
7/31: Mayo
8/7: Mayo
8/7: UW
8/9: Uni of Missouri-Columbia
8/9: UCLA
8/10: Vanderbilt
8/15: Ohio State University Wexner
8/17: WVU, Case Western (UH), Aurora Health, Mayo
8/18: UCSD
8/21: Cleveland Clinic (FL)
8/23: UChicago, BIDMC
8/24: Mount Sinai
8/29: UPMC, UNM
9/5: MGH
9/21: Medical College of Georgia/Augusta
9/25: UAB
9/29: Univ of Chicago (NorthShore), Univ Arizona Col of Med (Tucson)
10/2: UK, Texas A&M
10/3: UMass
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Rejection: Uni Tennessee Chattanooga

AMGs
7/17: Methodist Dallas
7/19: Duke
7/20: Cincinnati
7/22: UMissouri-Columbia
7/24: Lehigh Valley, UF-Jacksonville
7/25: Vanderbilt, Cincinnati
7/26: UTSW, UVA
7/26: OHSU
7/27: MGH
7/28: Mayo Rochester
7/28: UVermont
7/31: VCU, Rutgers-RWJMS
8/1: OHSU, Colorado, URochester, Hopkins
8/2: Henry Ford-WSU, UNC, Yale, Hopkins
8/3: Georgetown, Wake Forest, Jackson Memorial Miami
8/4: Cedars-Sinai, Georgetown
8/7: Emory, Ohio State, BU, MGH, Florida-Gainesville
8/8: Brigham
8/9: Georgetown, WVU, UCLA, NYU, University of New Mexico, Wake Forest
8/10: Pittsburgh, Michigan, Brigham, UChicago, UCLA, Loyola
8/11: MCW, Cleveland Clinic Florida, UPenn, Columbia
8/12: Mt. Sinai
8/14: USF, LLUMC, Methodist Houston, Washington University
8/15: Brown, Northwestern, Penn, BIDMC, UCSF, Maryland
8/16: CPMC, UPMC, Cedars-Sinai
8/17: Michigan, Case Western (UH), Aurora, Einstein (Philadelphia)
8/18: UAB, UCSD
8/21: Penn State, Dartmouth, Utah
8/22: NYMC (Westchester)
8/23: Stony Brook, University of Minnesota, University of Pennsylvania
8/24: Kaiser LA
8/25: GWU, UIC, UNC
8/29: UK, OSU, BIDMC, Stanford, OU, USC
8/30: Rush, UC Irvine, UT San Antonio
8/31: Baylor Houston, Cornell, Mt. Sinai
9/1: Tennessee, Rush, Toledo
9/5: Rush
9/6: MUSC, Louisville, Scripps
9/8: UTMB
9/12: Baylor Dallas
9/14: Northshore-LIJ, UT Houston, Medical College of Georgia
9/29: Tufts

IMGs without visa restrictions (US citizens from non-US schools, green card holders)
7/24: Lehigh Valley
7/26: OHSU, UTSW
7/27: Ochsner Clinic
7/29: University of MO columbia
7/31: Rutgers-RWJMS
8/3: VTC-Carilion
8/4: Cedar-Sinai
8/7: UF (Gainesville), Mayo Jacksonville, Emory, UC Davis
8/10: Vanderbilt
8/11: Vidant, Loyola
8/14: LLUMC, Houston Methodist
8/15: Cleveland Clinic
8/16: UMMS-Baystate
8/18: UCSD
8/21: Dartmouth
8/22: Tennessee
8/23: Rochester
8/24: Stanford
8/29: UAMS
8/30: Wright State Univ, Allegheny
8/31: Creighton, Baylor, Drexel
9/1: Toledo, Uni Buffalo
9/6: Montefiore, Advocate Lutheran, UKentucky
9/7: Uni Albany, Univ of Arizona- Phoenix
9/11: Tulane
9/11: Elmhurst
9/13: UCSF Fresno, NYP-Brooklyn Methodist
9/14: UT-Houston
9/15: Tennessee

Visa requiring IMGs
7/19: Ochsner Clinic
7/26: UTSW-Dallas
8/1: Colorado
8/3: Georgetown University
8/7: Emory, VCU, Mayo Jacksonville, UF (Gainesville)
8/9: UNM
8/10: BWH
8/11: Cleveland Clinic Florida
8/14: UPMC
8/15: BIDMC, Maryland/NIH
8/17: U Chicago, Stanford
8/21: Dartmouth, MGH, U Minnesota
8/23: U Minnesota, BU
8/24: Mayo AZ
8/29: Mount Sinai
8/30: Mount Sinai – Beth Israel, Mayo Rochester, UTHSCSA
8/31: Baylor Houston, Cornell
9/1: Rutgers NJMS, Howard, ETSU
9/5 : Elmhurst
9/4: NYU
9/7: U Arizona-Phoenix
9/8: Beaumont
9/12: U Mass
9/13: U Kansas, UCSF-Fresno
9/16, 9/17: SUNY Brooklyn
9/18: medical college of Georgia, Cook County

Rejections
7/31: Mayo
8/7: Mayo
8/7: UW
8/9: Uni of Missouri-Columbia
8/9: UCLA
8/10: Vanderbilt
8/15: Ohio State University Wexner
8/17: WVU, Case Western (UH), Aurora Health, Mayo
8/18: UCSD
8/21: Cleveland Clinic (FL)
8/23: UChicago, BIDMC
8/24: Mount Sinai
8/29: UPMC, UNM
9/5: MGH
9/21: Medical College of Georgia/Augusta
9/25: UAB
9/29: Univ of Chicago (NorthShore), Univ Arizona Col of Med (Tucson)
10/2: UK, Texas A&M
10/3: UMass
10/4: Uni Tennessee
 
It's to a program's benefit to send rejections rather than stay silent so that desperate applicants stop harassing them.
 
GastriqueGraffin said:
It's to a program's benefit to send rejections rather than stay silent so that desperate applicants stop harassing them.
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my coordinator mentioned several candidates calling to be placed on waiting list, when the program already has few ppl on wait list anyway. she said its quite normal to get these calls at this time.
 
Rejection: Northwestern

AMGs
7/17: Methodist Dallas
7/19: Duke
7/20: Cincinnati
7/22: UMissouri-Columbia
7/24: Lehigh Valley, UF-Jacksonville
7/25: Vanderbilt, Cincinnati
7/26: UTSW, UVA
7/26: OHSU
7/27: MGH
7/28: Mayo Rochester
7/28: UVermont
7/31: VCU, Rutgers-RWJMS
8/1: OHSU, Colorado, URochester, Hopkins
8/2: Henry Ford-WSU, UNC, Yale, Hopkins
8/3: Georgetown, Wake Forest, Jackson Memorial Miami
8/4: Cedars-Sinai, Georgetown
8/7: Emory, Ohio State, BU, MGH, Florida-Gainesville
8/8: Brigham
8/9: Georgetown, WVU, UCLA, NYU, University of New Mexico, Wake Forest
8/10: Pittsburgh, Michigan, Brigham, UChicago, UCLA, Loyola
8/11: MCW, Cleveland Clinic Florida, UPenn, Columbia
8/12: Mt. Sinai
8/14: USF, LLUMC, Methodist Houston, Washington University
8/15: Brown, Northwestern, Penn, BIDMC, UCSF, Maryland
8/16: CPMC, UPMC, Cedars-Sinai
8/17: Michigan, Case Western (UH), Aurora, Einstein (Philadelphia)
8/18: UAB, UCSD
8/21: Penn State, Dartmouth, Utah
8/22: NYMC (Westchester)
8/23: Stony Brook, University of Minnesota, University of Pennsylvania
8/24: Kaiser LA
8/25: GWU, UIC, UNC
8/29: UK, OSU, BIDMC, Stanford, OU, USC
8/30: Rush, UC Irvine, UT San Antonio
8/31: Baylor Houston, Cornell, Mt. Sinai
9/1: Tennessee, Rush, Toledo
9/5: Rush
9/6: MUSC, Louisville, Scripps
9/8: UTMB
9/12: Baylor Dallas
9/14: Northshore-LIJ, UT Houston, Medical College of Georgia
9/29: Tufts

IMGs without visa restrictions (US citizens from non-US schools, green card holders)
7/24: Lehigh Valley
7/26: OHSU, UTSW
7/27: Ochsner Clinic
7/29: University of MO columbia
7/31: Rutgers-RWJMS
8/3: VTC-Carilion
8/4: Cedar-Sinai
8/7: UF (Gainesville), Mayo Jacksonville, Emory, UC Davis
8/10: Vanderbilt
8/11: Vidant, Loyola
8/14: LLUMC, Houston Methodist
8/15: Cleveland Clinic
8/16: UMMS-Baystate
8/18: UCSD
8/21: Dartmouth
8/22: Tennessee
8/23: Rochester
8/24: Stanford
8/29: UAMS
8/30: Wright State Univ, Allegheny
8/31: Creighton, Baylor, Drexel
9/1: Toledo, Uni Buffalo
9/6: Montefiore, Advocate Lutheran, UKentucky
9/7: Uni Albany, Univ of Arizona- Phoenix
9/11: Tulane
9/11: Elmhurst
9/13: UCSF Fresno, NYP-Brooklyn Methodist
9/14: UT-Houston
9/15: Tennessee

Visa requiring IMGs
7/19: Ochsner Clinic
7/26: UTSW-Dallas
8/1: Colorado
8/3: Georgetown University
8/7: Emory, VCU, Mayo Jacksonville, UF (Gainesville)
8/9: UNM
8/10: BWH
8/11: Cleveland Clinic Florida
8/14: UPMC
8/15: BIDMC, Maryland/NIH
8/17: U Chicago, Stanford
8/21: Dartmouth, MGH, U Minnesota
8/23: U Minnesota, BU
8/24: Mayo AZ
8/29: Mount Sinai
8/30: Mount Sinai – Beth Israel, Mayo Rochester, UTHSCSA
8/31: Baylor Houston, Cornell
9/1: Rutgers NJMS, Howard, ETSU
9/5 : Elmhurst
9/4: NYU
9/7: U Arizona-Phoenix
9/8: Beaumont
9/12: U Mass
9/13: U Kansas, UCSF-Fresno
9/16, 9/17: SUNY Brooklyn
9/18: medical college of Georgia, Cook County

Rejections
7/31: Mayo
8/7: Mayo
8/7: UW
8/9: Uni of Missouri-Columbia
8/9: UCLA
8/10: Vanderbilt
8/15: Ohio State University Wexner
8/17: WVU, Case Western (UH), Aurora Health, Mayo
8/18: UCSD
8/21: Cleveland Clinic (FL)
8/23: UChicago, BIDMC
8/24: Mount Sinai
8/29: UPMC, UNM
9/5: MGH
9/21: Medical College of Georgia/Augusta
9/25: UAB
9/29: Univ of Chicago (NorthShore), Univ Arizona Col of Med (Tucson)
10/2: UK, Texas A&M
10/3: UMass
10/4: Uni Tennessee
10/5: Northwestern
 
Hi have written thank you letter to the people whom i interviewed with and I haven't gotten many replies including PD/APD. IS that a sign that they are not that interested? Im an AMG who applies to literally ever program with 9 invites. I think i am on the lower part of their lists, so I don't know what my chances really are.
 
lala1 said:
Hi have written thank you letter to the people whom i interviewed with and I haven't gotten many replies including PD/APD. IS that a sign that they are not that interested? Im an AMG who applies to literally ever program with 9 invites. I think i am on the lower part of their lists, so I don't know what my chances really are.
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I would say you don't need to worry about it. It highly depends on program culture, if program's culture is to respond, they reply to everybody. If culture is not to respond, they don' reply to anybody. If you know somebody else who interviewed at the same program, you can ask them. I am pretty sure "response" or "no response"will be same across the board for all applicants. Usually PDs of quality programs do respond but it's not always the case.
 
We are reaching a stage where you can start to expect PD phone calls for competitive applicants to rank their program high. Usually happens for stellar applicants but have seen this happen to applicants from Ivy League programs with barely anything on CV too. Some feel that it ll create a good experience in the program when PD is warm and welcoming. Just to emphasize that it has very little to no bearance in how the fellow will be treated during fellowship. Make wise decisions as always
 
Many of the programs I interviewed in openly told us that the interviewers all meet immediately after the interview day ends to make their final evaluation or even rank of the applicant. For that reason I haven't seen the point of sending a thank you or interest email days later, when the decision is pretty much made.
 
Do programs make a rank list before they interview and then adjust people after the interview?
 
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GastriqueGraffin said:
Many of the programs I interviewed in openly told us that the interviewers all meet immediately after the interview day ends to make their final evaluation or even rank of the applicant. For that reason I haven't seen the point of sending a thank you or interest email days later, when the decision is pretty much made.
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Agree. This is true for most programs.
 
lala1 said:
Do programs make a rank list before they interview and then adjust people after the interview?
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One program told me that they usually have a tentative rank list made prior to the interview and then make some minor adjustment depending on the interview.
 
any magic number on how many interviews you usually need to match?
 
I guess at this point we can expect no more correspondence (IV or rejection). Good luck to everyone. Just 8 more weeks to go.
 
Did anyone interview at UC Irvine? Was wondering about the vibe there (did the fellows seem happy?).

Interviewed there recently and I'm hearing conflicting information about the program. Does anyone here know anything about it?
 
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I got an interview today because someone canceled; so guys keep on checking your inbox every day; you might get one!
 
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Some Rejection Updates

AMGs
7/17: Methodist Dallas
7/19: Duke
7/20: Cincinnati
7/22: UMissouri-Columbia
7/24: Lehigh Valley, UF-Jacksonville
7/25: Vanderbilt, Cincinnati
7/26: UTSW, UVA
7/26: OHSU
7/27: MGH
7/28: Mayo Rochester
7/28: UVermont
7/31: VCU, Rutgers-RWJMS
8/1: OHSU, Colorado, URochester, Hopkins
8/2: Henry Ford-WSU, UNC, Yale, Hopkins
8/3: Georgetown, Wake Forest, Jackson Memorial Miami
8/4: Cedars-Sinai, Georgetown
8/7: Emory, Ohio State, BU, MGH, Florida-Gainesville
8/8: Brigham
8/9: Georgetown, WVU, UCLA, NYU, University of New Mexico, Wake Forest
8/10: Pittsburgh, Michigan, Brigham, UChicago, UCLA, Loyola
8/11: MCW, Cleveland Clinic Florida, UPenn, Columbia
8/12: Mt. Sinai
8/14: USF, LLUMC, Methodist Houston, Washington University
8/15: Brown, Northwestern, Penn, BIDMC, UCSF, Maryland
8/16: CPMC, UPMC, Cedars-Sinai
8/17: Michigan, Case Western (UH), Aurora, Einstein (Philadelphia)
8/18: UAB, UCSD
8/21: Penn State, Dartmouth, Utah
8/22: NYMC (Westchester)
8/23: Stony Brook, University of Minnesota, University of Pennsylvania
8/24: Kaiser LA
8/25: GWU, UIC, UNC
8/29: UK, OSU, BIDMC, Stanford, OU, USC
8/30: Rush, UC Irvine, UT San Antonio
8/31: Baylor Houston, Cornell, Mt. Sinai
9/1: Tennessee, Rush, Toledo
9/5: Rush
9/6: MUSC, Louisville, Scripps
9/8: UTMB
9/12: Baylor Dallas
9/14: Northshore-LIJ, UT Houston, Medical College of Georgia
9/29: Tufts

IMGs without visa restrictions (US citizens from non-US schools, green card holders)
7/24: Lehigh Valley
7/26: OHSU, UTSW
7/27: Ochsner Clinic
7/29: University of MO columbia
7/31: Rutgers-RWJMS
8/3: VTC-Carilion
8/4: Cedar-Sinai
8/7: UF (Gainesville), Mayo Jacksonville, Emory, UC Davis
8/10: Vanderbilt
8/11: Vidant, Loyola
8/14: LLUMC, Houston Methodist
8/15: Cleveland Clinic
8/16: UMMS-Baystate
8/18: UCSD
8/21: Dartmouth
8/22: Tennessee
8/23: Rochester
8/24: Stanford
8/29: UAMS
8/30: Wright State Univ, Allegheny
8/31: Creighton, Baylor, Drexel
9/1: Toledo, Uni Buffalo
9/6: Montefiore, Advocate Lutheran, UKentucky
9/7: Uni Albany, Univ of Arizona- Phoenix
9/11: Tulane
9/11: Elmhurst
9/13: UCSF Fresno, NYP-Brooklyn Methodist
9/14: UT-Houston
9/15: Tennessee

Visa requiring IMGs
7/19: Ochsner Clinic
7/26: UTSW-Dallas
8/1: Colorado
8/3: Georgetown University
8/7: Emory, VCU, Mayo Jacksonville, UF (Gainesville)
8/9: UNM
8/10: BWH
8/11: Cleveland Clinic Florida
8/14: UPMC
8/15: BIDMC, Maryland/NIH
8/17: U Chicago, Stanford
8/21: Dartmouth, MGH, U Minnesota
8/23: U Minnesota, BU
8/24: Mayo AZ
8/29: Mount Sinai
8/30: Mount Sinai – Beth Israel, Mayo Rochester, UTHSCSA
8/31: Baylor Houston, Cornell
9/1: Rutgers NJMS, Howard, ETSU
9/5 : Elmhurst
9/4: NYU
9/7: U Arizona-Phoenix
9/8: Beaumont
9/12: U Mass
9/13: U Kansas, UCSF-Fresno
9/16, 9/17: SUNY Brooklyn
9/18: medical college of Georgia, Cook County

Rejections
7/31: Mayo
8/7: Mayo
8/7: UW
8/9: Uni of Missouri-Columbia
8/9: UCLA
8/10: Vanderbilt
8/15: Ohio State University Wexner
8/17: WVU, Case Western (UH), Aurora Health, Mayo
8/18: UCSD
8/21: Cleveland Clinic (FL)
8/23: UChicago, BIDMC
8/24: Mount Sinai
8/29: UPMC, UNM
9/5: MGH
9/21: Medical College of Georgia/Augusta
9/25: UAB
9/29: Univ of Chicago (NorthShore), Univ Arizona Col of Med (Tucson)
10/2: UK, Texas A&M, Rush
10/3: UMass
10/4: UT-Chattanooga
10/5: Northwestern
10/13: Wake Forest
 
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New to forum. Will update list soon
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I am in Orlando for ACG and wanna share a valuable lesson from my days of being a resident who is applying to GI. Philly ACG, I was presenting my research poster and there was one gentleman who looked Asian and was curiously looking at my poster. I politely introduced myself and went on to present that research project plus few related projects patiently but his ID card was in such a way that I couldn't read his name or his institution. Finally after spending close to 25 mins, I asked his name and his institution. He is an Asian doctor working in research in a program in Germany. I lost that much time trying to build contacts in the one and half hour poster viewing time

Moral: know your audience and know your goal of why you are in a conference.
 
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I am in Orlando for ACG and wanna share a valuable lesson from my days of being a resident who is applying to GI. Philly ACG, I was presenting my research poster and there was one gentleman who looked Asian and was curiously looking at my poster. I politely introduced myself and went on to present that research project plus few related projects patiently but his ID card was in such a way that I couldn't read his name or his institution. Finally after spending close to 25 mins, I asked his name and his institution. He is an Asian doctor working in research in a program in Germany. I lost that much time trying to build contacts in the one and half hour poster viewing time

Moral: know your audience and know your goal of why you are in a conference.
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Are people really this self-centered about everything? The other thing that caught my eye above was someone talking about not sending thank-you letters because often programs meet immediately after an interview day and create a rank list, so your thank you note wouldn't help much.

The purpose of a thank-you letter is to convey how grateful you are for the opportunity. Gratefulness that a program and people took the time to meet you and get to know, and that you were chosen out of a large and highly qualified pool of applicants who in many cases are very desperate.

Moral: be a normal/good person.
 
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Scope guy said:
I am in Orlando for ACG and wanna share a valuable lesson from my days of being a resident who is applying to GI. Philly ACG, I was presenting my research poster and there was one gentleman who looked Asian and was curiously looking at my poster. I politely introduced myself and went on to present that research project plus few related projects patiently but his ID card was in such a way that I couldn't read his name or his institution. Finally after spending close to 25 mins, I asked his name and his institution. He is an Asian doctor working in research in a program in Germany. I lost that much time trying to build contacts in the one and half hour poster viewing time

Moral: know your audience and know your goal of why you are in a conference.
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I'm not sure I agree with the moral. You discussed your research with someone that was interested. Probably more interested than most would be. Do you actually care about your research or is it just your way of advancing your personal goals? Your post answers that question IMO.
 
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I am in Orlando for ACG and wanna share a valuable lesson from my days of being a resident who is applying to GI. Philly ACG, I was presenting my research poster and there was one gentleman who looked Asian and was curiously looking at my poster. I politely introduced myself and went on to present that research project plus few related projects patiently but his ID card was in such a way that I couldn't read his name or his institution. Finally after spending close to 25 mins, I asked his name and his institution. He is an Asian doctor working in research in a program in Germany. I lost that much time trying to build contacts in the one and half hour poster viewing time

Moral: know your audience and know your goal of why you are in a conference.
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Moral: not all Asian doctors are PDs :(
 
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Are people really this self-centered about everything? The other thing that caught my eye above was someone talking about not sending thank-you letters because often programs meet immediately after an interview day and create a rank list, so your thank you note wouldn't help much.

The purpose of a thank-you letter is to convey how grateful you are for the opportunity. Gratefulness that a program and people took the time to meet you and get to know, and that you were chosen out of a large and highly qualified pool of applicants who in many cases are very desperate.

Moral: be a normal/good person.
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I understand what you're saying. As someone who interviews applicants for both residency and medical school, I understand what it's like to be on either side. I appreciate when someone thanks me in a genuine and sincere way in person at the time of our encounter. I later receive emails, especially from medical school applicants and I know why they're doing it. It has never influenced my impression after the interview. I might be wrong but thanking someone in person is all the thanks I need. Feel free to disagree.
 
GastriqueGraffin said:
I understand what you're saying. As someone who interviews applicants for both residency and medical school, I understand what it's like to be on either side. I appreciate when someone thanks me in a genuine and sincere way in person at the time of our encounter. I later receive emails, especially from medical school applicants and I know why they're doing it. It has never influenced my impression after the interview. I might be wrong but thanking someone in person is all the thanks I need. Feel free to disagree.
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Definitely don't disagree. They really shouldn't influence your impression of candidates. My point was just that I sent my own thank-you notes/emails for med school/residency/fellowship because I truly was thankful and didn't take any of those opportunities for granted. I was lucky to be there, and the thank-you letters (which probably didn't ever help my chances/ranking etc) were because I meant them.

My comments underlie my frustration that so many people can't/don't do things just because they're the right thing to do. I agree with your assessment of the OP -- I don't care if people send thank-you notes or not. It just annoys me that people decide not to do things just because it won't help them advance their own personal goals.
 
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I'm not sure I agree with the moral. You discussed your research with someone that was interested. Probably more interested than most would be. Do you actually care about your research or is it just your way of advancing your personal goals? Your post answers that question IMO.
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My reseRch would never matter if I don make it into fellowship. I weigh my time based on my goal and I could have gotten some contacts that would matter. I don't find anything wrong with that
 
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I am in Orlando for ACG and wanna share a valuable lesson from my days of being a resident who is applying to GI. Philly ACG, I was presenting my research poster and there was one gentleman who looked Asian and was curiously looking at my poster. I politely introduced myself and went on to present that research project plus few related projects patiently but his ID card was in such a way that I couldn't read his name or his institution. Finally after spending close to 25 mins, I asked his name and his institution. He is an Asian doctor working in research in a program in Germany. I lost that much time trying to build contacts in the one and half hour poster viewing time

Moral: know your audience and know your goal of why you are in a conference.
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Scope guy said:
My reseRch would never matter if I don make it into fellowship. I weigh my time based on my goal and I could have gotten some contacts that would matter. I don't find anything wrong with that
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I hope to never work with you. You are a tool
 
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My reseRch would never matter if I don make it into fellowship. I weigh my time based on my goal and I could have gotten some contacts that would matter. I don't find anything wrong with that
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I blame the system for this mentality. Research is required from people who just want to be GI clinicians, which is many if not most applicants. That is the real source of the problem. However, if you actually work on research that you care about then what you'd want is an audience that appreciates your work.
 
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GastriqueGraffin said:
I blame the system for this mentality. Research is required from people who just want to be GI clinicians, which is many if not most applicants. That is the real source of the problem. However, if you actually work on research that you care about then what you'd want is an audience that appreciates your work.
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Could this be due to the significant disconnect between what academic GI and what outpatient pp GI do? Some out pt PP GI just seem to scope all day everyday and do not work up any other GI issues.
 
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Could this be due to the significant disconnect between what academic GI and what outpatient pp GI do? Some out pt PP GI just seem to scope all day everyday and do not work up any other GI issues.
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That's certainly a part of it but our society doesn't need only academics who are interested in research. It mostly needs good competent gastroenterologists out in the community who can provide care. There is nothing wrong with that.
 
GastriqueGraffin said:
That's certainly a part of it but our society doesn't need only academics who are interested in research. It mostly needs good competent gastroenterologists out in the community who can provide care. There is nothing wrong with that.
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Agreed. Sadly, whenever a specialty becomes competitive, there tend to be more hoops for applicants to jump through, and some of that is research.

My partner is an amazing clinican. She actually take the time to review a lot of things people think are BS and catch other people's short coming daily. Yet, she will probably not match as well as people who bull**** their notes and sign outs and used the saved time to do research.

The big issue is that people all have the same letter and additional time invested of becoming a good clinician does not yield anything besides a good letter which everyone has anyway.
 
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Rejections: UT Houston and WashU

AMGs
7/17: Methodist Dallas
7/19: Duke
7/20: Cincinnati
7/22: UMissouri-Columbia
7/24: Lehigh Valley, UF-Jacksonville
7/25: Vanderbilt, Cincinnati
7/26: UTSW, UVA
7/26: OHSU
7/27: MGH
7/28: Mayo Rochester
7/28: UVermont
7/31: VCU, Rutgers-RWJMS
8/1: OHSU, Colorado, URochester, Hopkins
8/2: Henry Ford-WSU, UNC, Yale, Hopkins
8/3: Georgetown, Wake Forest, Jackson Memorial Miami
8/4: Cedars-Sinai, Georgetown
8/7: Emory, Ohio State, BU, MGH, Florida-Gainesville
8/8: Brigham
8/9: Georgetown, WVU, UCLA, NYU, University of New Mexico, Wake Forest
8/10: Pittsburgh, Michigan, Brigham, UChicago, UCLA, Loyola
8/11: MCW, Cleveland Clinic Florida, UPenn, Columbia
8/12: Mt. Sinai
8/14: USF, LLUMC, Methodist Houston, Washington University
8/15: Brown, Northwestern, Penn, BIDMC, UCSF, Maryland
8/16: CPMC, UPMC, Cedars-Sinai
8/17: Michigan, Case Western (UH), Aurora, Einstein (Philadelphia)
8/18: UAB, UCSD
8/21: Penn State, Dartmouth, Utah
8/22: NYMC (Westchester)
8/23: Stony Brook, University of Minnesota, University of Pennsylvania
8/24: Kaiser LA
8/25: GWU, UIC, UNC
8/29: UK, OSU, BIDMC, Stanford, OU, USC
8/30: Rush, UC Irvine, UT San Antonio
8/31: Baylor Houston, Cornell, Mt. Sinai
9/1: Tennessee, Rush, Toledo
9/5: Rush
9/6: MUSC, Louisville, Scripps
9/8: UTMB
9/12: Baylor Dallas
9/14: Northshore-LIJ, UT Houston, Medical College of Georgia
9/29: Tufts

IMGs without visa restrictions (US citizens from non-US schools, green card holders)
7/24: Lehigh Valley
7/26: OHSU, UTSW
7/27: Ochsner Clinic
7/29: University of MO columbia
7/31: Rutgers-RWJMS
8/3: VTC-Carilion
8/4: Cedar-Sinai
8/7: UF (Gainesville), Mayo Jacksonville, Emory, UC Davis
8/10: Vanderbilt
8/11: Vidant, Loyola
8/14: LLUMC, Houston Methodist
8/15: Cleveland Clinic
8/16: UMMS-Baystate
8/18: UCSD
8/21: Dartmouth
8/22: Tennessee
8/23: Rochester
8/24: Stanford
8/29: UAMS
8/30: Wright State Univ, Allegheny
8/31: Creighton, Baylor, Drexel
9/1: Toledo, Uni Buffalo
9/6: Montefiore, Advocate Lutheran, UKentucky
9/7: Uni Albany, Univ of Arizona- Phoenix
9/11: Tulane
9/11: Elmhurst
9/13: UCSF Fresno, NYP-Brooklyn Methodist
9/14: UT-Houston
9/15: Tennessee

Visa requiring IMGs
7/19: Ochsner Clinic
7/26: UTSW-Dallas
8/1: Colorado
8/3: Georgetown University
8/7: Emory, VCU, Mayo Jacksonville, UF (Gainesville)
8/9: UNM
8/10: BWH
8/11: Cleveland Clinic Florida
8/14: UPMC
8/15: BIDMC, Maryland/NIH
8/17: U Chicago, Stanford
8/21: Dartmouth, MGH, U Minnesota
8/23: U Minnesota, BU
8/24: Mayo AZ
8/29: Mount Sinai
8/30: Mount Sinai – Beth Israel, Mayo Rochester, UTHSCSA
8/31: Baylor Houston, Cornell
9/1: Rutgers NJMS, Howard, ETSU
9/5 : Elmhurst
9/4: NYU
9/7: U Arizona-Phoenix
9/8: Beaumont
9/12: U Mass
9/13: U Kansas, UCSF-Fresno
9/16, 9/17: SUNY Brooklyn
9/18: medical college of Georgia, Cook County

Rejections
7/31: Mayo
8/7: Mayo
8/7: UW
8/9: Uni of Missouri-Columbia
8/9: UCLA
8/10: Vanderbilt
8/15: Ohio State University Wexner
8/17: WVU, Case Western (UH), Aurora Health, Mayo
8/18: UCSD
8/21: Cleveland Clinic (FL)
8/23: UChicago, BIDMC
8/24: Mount Sinai
8/29: UPMC, UNM
9/5: MGH
9/21: Medical College of Georgia/Augusta
9/25: UAB
9/29: Univ of Chicago (NorthShore), Univ Arizona Col of Med (Tucson)
10/2: UK, Texas A&M, Rush
10/3: UMass
10/4: UT-Chattanooga
10/5: Northwestern
10/13: Wake Forest
10/16: UT Houston and WashU
 
Rejections: BU, Maimonides, Drexel

AMGs
7/17: Methodist Dallas
7/19: Duke
7/20: Cincinnati
7/22: UMissouri-Columbia
7/24: Lehigh Valley, UF-Jacksonville
7/25: Vanderbilt, Cincinnati
7/26: UTSW, UVA
7/26: OHSU
7/27: MGH
7/28: Mayo Rochester
7/28: UVermont
7/31: VCU, Rutgers-RWJMS
8/1: OHSU, Colorado, URochester, Hopkins
8/2: Henry Ford-WSU, UNC, Yale, Hopkins
8/3: Georgetown, Wake Forest, Jackson Memorial Miami
8/4: Cedars-Sinai, Georgetown
8/7: Emory, Ohio State, BU, MGH, Florida-Gainesville
8/8: Brigham
8/9: Georgetown, WVU, UCLA, NYU, University of New Mexico, Wake Forest
8/10: Pittsburgh, Michigan, Brigham, UChicago, UCLA, Loyola
8/11: MCW, Cleveland Clinic Florida, UPenn, Columbia
8/12: Mt. Sinai
8/14: USF, LLUMC, Methodist Houston, Washington University
8/15: Brown, Northwestern, Penn, BIDMC, UCSF, Maryland
8/16: CPMC, UPMC, Cedars-Sinai
8/17: Michigan, Case Western (UH), Aurora, Einstein (Philadelphia)
8/18: UAB, UCSD
8/21: Penn State, Dartmouth, Utah
8/22: NYMC (Westchester)
8/23: Stony Brook, University of Minnesota, University of Pennsylvania
8/24: Kaiser LA
8/25: GWU, UIC, UNC
8/29: UK, OSU, BIDMC, Stanford, OU, USC
8/30: Rush, UC Irvine, UT San Antonio
8/31: Baylor Houston, Cornell, Mt. Sinai
9/1: Tennessee, Rush, Toledo
9/5: Rush
9/6: MUSC, Louisville, Scripps
9/8: UTMB
9/12: Baylor Dallas
9/14: Northshore-LIJ, UT Houston, Medical College of Georgia
9/29: Tufts

IMGs without visa restrictions (US citizens from non-US schools, green card holders)
7/24: Lehigh Valley
7/26: OHSU, UTSW
7/27: Ochsner Clinic
7/29: University of MO columbia
7/31: Rutgers-RWJMS
8/3: VTC-Carilion
8/4: Cedar-Sinai
8/7: UF (Gainesville), Mayo Jacksonville, Emory, UC Davis
8/10: Vanderbilt
8/11: Vidant, Loyola
8/14: LLUMC, Houston Methodist
8/15: Cleveland Clinic
8/16: UMMS-Baystate
8/18: UCSD
8/21: Dartmouth
8/22: Tennessee
8/23: Rochester
8/24: Stanford
8/29: UAMS
8/30: Wright State Univ, Allegheny
8/31: Creighton, Baylor, Drexel
9/1: Toledo, Uni Buffalo
9/6: Montefiore, Advocate Lutheran, UKentucky
9/7: Uni Albany, Univ of Arizona- Phoenix
9/11: Tulane
9/11: Elmhurst
9/13: UCSF Fresno, NYP-Brooklyn Methodist
9/14: UT-Houston
9/15: Tennessee

Visa requiring IMGs
7/19: Ochsner Clinic
7/26: UTSW-Dallas
8/1: Colorado
8/3: Georgetown University
8/7: Emory, VCU, Mayo Jacksonville, UF (Gainesville)
8/9: UNM
8/10: BWH
8/11: Cleveland Clinic Florida
8/14: UPMC
8/15: BIDMC, Maryland/NIH
8/17: U Chicago, Stanford
8/21: Dartmouth, MGH, U Minnesota
8/23: U Minnesota, BU
8/24: Mayo AZ
8/29: Mount Sinai
8/30: Mount Sinai – Beth Israel, Mayo Rochester, UTHSCSA
8/31: Baylor Houston, Cornell
9/1: Rutgers NJMS, Howard, ETSU
9/5 : Elmhurst
9/4: NYU
9/7: U Arizona-Phoenix
9/8: Beaumont
9/12: U Mass
9/13: U Kansas, UCSF-Fresno
9/16, 9/17: SUNY Brooklyn
9/18: medical college of Georgia, Cook County

Rejections
7/31: Mayo
8/7: Mayo
8/7: UW
8/9: Uni of Missouri-Columbia
8/9: UCLA
8/10: Vanderbilt
8/15: Ohio State University Wexner
8/17: WVU, Case Western (UH), Aurora Health, Mayo
8/18: UCSD
8/21: Cleveland Clinic (FL)
8/23: UChicago, BIDMC
8/24: Mount Sinai
8/29: UPMC, UNM
9/5: MGH
9/21: Medical College of Georgia/Augusta
9/25: UAB
9/29: Univ of Chicago (NorthShore), Univ Arizona Col of Med (Tucson)
10/2: UK, Texas A&M, Rush
10/3: UMass
10/4: UT-Chattanooga
10/5: Northwestern
10/13: Wake Forest
10/16: UT Houston and WashU
10/17: BU, Maimonides, Drexel
 
I knew it was going to rain in Orlando, but I didn't expect it to rain rejections!
 
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Does anyone have any insight in the Baylor Houston GI program? Anyone else heard that it is malignant? I heard some reviews about the attendings not being supportive. Any recent grads or those currently in the fellowship who would be able to comment on the program?
 
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Does anyone have any insight in the Baylor Houston GI program? Anyone else heard that it is malignant? I heard some reviews about the attendings not being supportive. Any recent grads or those currently in the fellowship who would be able to comment on the program?
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let us know what you find out during your interview with them
 
Phil_GI said:
Does anyone have any insight in the Baylor Houston GI program? Anyone else heard that it is malignant? I heard some reviews about the attendings not being supportive. Any recent grads or those currently in the fellowship who would be able to comment on the program?
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I am wondering if there is a thread rating all GI programs, how malignant/friendly they are etc. It'd be extremely helpful for all of us.

I was asking around for UC Irvine earlier but didn't get much traction. Here's my impression of them. Remember I'm only n=1, so my OPINION is based only on my experience with them. One thing that struck me was that their program co-ordinator, who invited me to interview and spoke to me over the phone before my interview; flat out refused to acknowledge me when I called back to follow up. Also, she refuses to acknowledge her name over the phone. When I asked "whom am I speaking to", she flat out hung up.

This is a bizarre program. I know it's GI, and Orange County is highly desirable; but the program's erratic behavior raises alarm bells. They just lost one of their fellows so I'm wondering what the story is behind that.
 
A word of advice for residents in PGY 1 and 2 who are following this thread based on face to face interaction with some residents during the ACG meetings: Case reports are good way to start building your CV but in a competitive specialty like GI, programs are inundated with applications(average 500-600 applications per program) and they have so much choice at their disposal. it is a tough road to a fellowship spot and JUST HAVING FEW CASE REPORTS is not going to get you lot of IVs. Exception to this is applicants from big name programs who have matched with hardly much on their CVs but they did their part by doing MLE exams well and getting into top tier programs.

For majority of applicants, letters will look similar and you need real research. I kept hearing from residents that their program does not support research and there is no-one to guide them. It is easy to give excuses. There were lot of research studies on national databases, SEER database (which you can purchase for couple hundred dollars), systematic review, meta analysis which dont need IRB and easier to do. Reach out to fellows with experience in these type of projects and also to attendings in academic programs with experience. An attending I personally know says he gets random emails asking him for project but the residents dont get back to him when he gives an idea. Make use of every opportunity and contact. Reach out to fellows you know to help with their projects(I did quite a bit when I was a resident). You may not get lead author but it will open up whole new set of projects that you cannot do with limited resources. Contacts is key but just emailing during application season and asking for IV is not the best way to utilize contacts. Best contacts are born out of successful research projects

Remember the fellows dont need you to progress in their career but you need them to give you academic work and ideas to help your application. Be persistent, show intent and build a strong CV.
 
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Phil_GI said:
Does anyone have any insight in the Baylor Houston GI program? Anyone else heard that it is malignant? I heard some reviews about the attendings not being supportive. Any recent grads or those currently in the fellowship who would be able to comment on the program?
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I am not a fellow in this program but I know it pretty well. Baylor Houston GI program is a huge program with 3 big hospitals to cover and multiple nationally known experts. The fellows work hard and are expected to do a lot more scholarly work than regular community style programs. At the same time their procedure numbers far exceed the national average. Since its Baylor and its in TMC everyone seems to be busy. TMC has a different environment and all 3 programs in Houston have a similar philosophy for work and trainees. Sometimes it leads to a "malignant environment" but that is in the eyes of the beholder.
 
Scope guy said:
I am in Orlando for ACG and wanna share a valuable lesson from my days of being a resident who is applying to GI. Philly ACG, I was presenting my research poster and there was one gentleman who looked Asian and was curiously looking at my poster. I politely introduced myself and went on to present that research project plus few related projects patiently but his ID card was in such a way that I couldn't read his name or his institution. Finally after spending close to 25 mins, I asked his name and his institution. He is an Asian doctor working in research in a program in Germany. I lost that much time trying to build contacts in the one and half hour poster viewing time

Moral: know your audience and know your goal of why you are in a conference.
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As a graduating fellow from a top program, I wanna make a quick comment.
It does not matter who's there at your poster but just be cool and treat everyone the same when they have questions. It's about professionalism. Your job is to be there at your poster to answer questions. Its ok to keep an eye out for making connections but that's not the main agenda. Imagine a program director is watching you from afar and sees how you treat people differently based on their ID badges, is that an impression you would like to give out?

Good luck to you on that match but I also hope that my program would take someone who is genuine in his work and has great work ethics/professionalism.
 
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I am wondering if there is a thread rating all GI programs, how malignant/friendly they are etc. It'd be extremely helpful for all of us.

I was asking around for UC Irvine earlier but didn't get much traction. Here's my impression of them. Remember I'm only n=1, so my OPINION is based only on my experience with them. One thing that struck me was that their program co-ordinator, who invited me to interview and spoke to me over the phone before my interview; flat out refused to acknowledge me when I called back to follow up. Also, she refuses to acknowledge her name over the phone. When I asked "whom am I speaking to", she flat out hung up.

This is a bizarre program. I know it's GI, and Orange County is highly desirable; but the program's erratic behavior raises alarm bells. They just lost one of their fellows so I'm wondering what the story is behind that.
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I am not from this program but I know this program well.
UCI is a good CLINICAL training program. Not very strong in hepatology I would say. I know some fellows who were not happy in the program but in the end, they do produce competent clinical gastroenterologists. As you mentioned, the OC is a very desirable place to live and work.
I am aware that UCI just a fellow and searching for a replacement as we speak. I cant tell the reason why but it is not a red flag against the program. It is more of personal level.
Hope it helps
 
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I am in Orlando for ACG and wanna share a valuable lesson from my days of being a resident who is applying to GI. Philly ACG, I was presenting my research poster and there was one gentleman who looked Asian and was curiously looking at my poster. I politely introduced myself and went on to present that research project plus few related projects patiently but his ID card was in such a way that I couldn't read his name or his institution. Finally after spending close to 25 mins, I asked his name and his institution. He is an Asian doctor working in research in a program in Germany. I lost that much time trying to build contacts in the one and half hour poster viewing time

Moral: know your audience and know your goal of why you are in a conference.
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Maybe if you spent less time speaking with people actually interested in your research and more time perfecting your oral technique before ACG you would have a better shot a those top tier programs
 
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