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And here we have a future pathologist!I'm glad we have smart people playing. I was thinking just euthanize and submit for necropsy
I agree that history and PE should be done first.
And here we have a future pathologist!I'm glad we have smart people playing. I was thinking just euthanize and submit for necropsy
I don't know what our resources are like or how labwork is really going to work, but I'd like a cbc/chem/ua and felv/fiv test. And more importantly today's PE findings and some vaccine and life history.
Would a UA be included in baseline testing?
Traditionally UA is considered part of the minimum database along with CBC and chem. And in my mind chem includes electrolytes.Would a UA be included in baseline testing?
I agree that it's possible we'll get info about wolf kills from the chemistry, but if the wolves are certain pathogens that we have to kill in different ways, I think the bloodwork may be extremely valuable in figuring out which pathogens we are dealing with and how to best go about killing those pathogens. While I don't think we should just be asking for bloodwork willy-nilly and we should be strategic about it, I do think that chem data will be valuable. But maybe I'm biased because clin path is my thing.Normally I would say baseline chem is good too. However, I'm worried that most to nearly all chem abnormalities will be from the wolf kills, so will be based on where the kill occurred (maybe up bilirubin from hemolysis if bloodstream, acidotic from decreased CO2 exchange if respiratory, etc.). Maybe try one chem to get a baseline and see what, if anything we can learn? What are people's thoughts on this theory?
Isn't that part of the PE?Stick a thermometer up her butt! That's my vote.
********************I'm glad we have smart people playing. I was thinking just euthanize and submit for necropsy
I'm glad we have smart people playing. I was thinking just euthanize and submit for necropsy
I think I'd prefer fecal over snap tests, personally. especially with a cat that likes to get into human food. There's a possibility of parasitism, bacterial overgrowth, etcIn order of preferred intel:
Signalment & History (including vaccination status, indoor vs. outdoor, contact with other animals, etc)
PE
CBC
Chem
UA
Snap tests
Fecal
Think that about covers it for now?
May I direct you to the title of this thread? trying to kill my cat *grumble grumble*I'm glad we have smart people playing. I was thinking just euthanize and submit for necropsy
Stick a thermometer up her butt! That's my vote.
This is already making me feel very inadequate with my I-passed-first-semester-of-first-year knowledge...
My minimum database is CBC/Chem17/Lytes, FeLV/FIV, T4, Fecal, fPL, UA, and full body MR.
This is already making me feel very inadequate with my I-passed-first-semester-of-first-year knowledge...
But I would agree with what almost everyone has said (except teep )...I think we need, at minimum, a PE/signalment/Hx, CBC/chem/UA, and FIV/FeLV
This is already making me feel very inadequate with my I-passed-first-semester-of-first-year knowledge...
Okay, but if our minimum database can only be added to one test at a time, where would you start? I think STL is a wallet-conscious owner who won't okay everything at once.
You're not alone.
Personally I would like to do a PE first, but I understand those who want to go right to bloodwork.
I was wondering that or acting as our microscope for histologies or our printer/fax machine spitting out lab reports... except I thought STL said he would give us those, so I don't know.I call hazelmoo has the "radiologist" role.
I was wondering that or acting as our microscope for histologies or our printer/fax machine spitting out lab reports... except I thought STL said he would give us those, so I don't know.
My manatee!LIS realized that he needed a sub early on, so he is being replaced by Karabiner13. The roster has been edited to reflect this change.
So what I gather from the intro is that specific roles can request lab work. So whatever we're discussing and deciding tonight can just be thrown out the window by whomever has one of those roles, and decides to request a bone marrow biopsy right off the bat? I am right in that interpretation?
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This is already making me feel very inadequate with my I-passed-first-semester-of-first-year knowledge...
But I would agree with what almost everyone has said (except teep )...I think we need, at minimum, a PE/signalment/Hx, CBC/chem/UA, and FIV/FeLV
Add me to this club--but not even the immuno stuff so much as all this diagnostic talk (so lost...I am only a baby I haven't learned thing yet)
You're not alone.
LIS realized that he needed a sub early on, so he is being replaced by Karabiner13. The roster has been edited to reflect this change.
Liver biopsy!Can we do a brain MRI and spinal tap yet?
Yaaaaasssss
Saaame. I haven't taken immuno yet AND I'm a WW noob.This is already making me feel very inadequate with my I-passed-first-semester-of-first-year knowledge...
it works with real life, too.Yeah, I get that a lot of the clinical signs on PE wouldn't necessarily lead us to any concrete conclusions. I guess it's just that vet school mindset of "your physical exam is your best weapon" CBC/chem aren't super specific either, but certainly are more specific than "the cat has a fever and is QAR".
you will only be able to interact with people from the group you are in or the group you are going to. Thus, if I am in the GIT, I will not be able to interact with anyone from the respiratory tract, as it would take me two days to get there. I can however interact with anyone from the GIT, or anyone from the blood stream.
Another mechanic is that you can interact with anyone in your group, except when you are in the blood stream. While you are in the blood stream, you will not be able to pm with anyone until you enter another group (unless your role specifically states otherwise).
PMing is within group ONLY. The blood stream cannot pm at all, unless role says otherwise. What was being referred to is actions. Aka, if I am in the GIT, I can do my night action, which hypothetically we will call seering, on anyone in my group, or anyone in blood stream. If I chose someone in the blood stream, I would move to the blood stream at the end of the night. Being in the blood stream the next night, I would not be able to do any action except kill if I was a wolf or villager assassin, or move to another group.Mechanics question! In the example above, GIT-person can PM with anyone in GIT or bloodstream, presumably while still in GIT. But bloodstream person can't PM anyone until they've successfully moved to another group. Does that mean that the only way for someone in the bloodstream to be in a PM is for someone in an actual location to initiate the PM? Or am I completely misunderstanding the PM rules?