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What is everyone's opinion on small vs. large classes?
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RCT4ME said:
What is everyone's opinion on small vs. large classes?
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Pros and cons to both but with a larger class you're exposed to more cases through coresidents and case presentations, so I guess you learn more. I think clinical experience is about the same in most schools with a decent reputation, it's the extra learning you do outside of your clinic time/patients that will help in treatment planning and case analysis. I would prefer bigger class size.
 
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Pros and cons to both but with a larger class you're exposed to more cases through coresidents and case presentations, so I guess you learn more. I think clinical experience is about the same in most schools with a decent reputation, it's the extra learning you do outside of your clinic time/patients that will help in treatment planning and case analysis. I would prefer bigger class size.
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Great advice! Thank you
 
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I am glad forum is very active. Good luck to everyone who applied this cycle. Your selection should be based on tuition and clinical trainings. For instance, UoP is expensive, but offers great training. There are some excellent programs with great directors as well and they are great becuase of their directors. OHSU, VCU, and Einstein are great programs because of their program directors. You want to get your training from someone who is a great clinician for two years. Best of luck to everyone.
 
According to a program director and a past AAE president i spoke to, the programs that provide "good experience" are: michigan, nova, u of florida, UIC, tufts, minnesota, st.louis, rudger's, UNC, oregon, einstein, temple, pittsburgh, columbia, BU, harvard, maryland, detroit, UCLA, UCSF, UoP......
Of course this list is very subjective as it is based on personal opinions and knowledge of the program directors. Take this list with a grain of salt: I'm sure there were many great programs which were not mentioned by them just because they didn't have a chance to know the PD or see the program.
 
Hi all, 1st yr Columbia endo resident here.
To add to the discussion about clinical experiences:
Columbia has a really strong clinical program. We essentially have unlimited flow of patients. 2 years ago, the average number of non-surgical root canal therapy completed was around 400. One guy graduated with 500 cases.
Also, surgeries are covered by Medicaid, so even if you don't try to look for surgery cases, you will most likely graduate with 40+ cases. You can start doing surgeries 1st year.
Additionally, we have implant didactics given by Dr. Tarnow and go through implant rotations here. You can choose to place implants and most residents choose to do so.
These are some information that may be difficult to find, so I'm just putting it out there for the future applicants/interviewees.
Good luck!

Premac
 
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I accepted a spot so my cycle is finally over! Hang in there guys this is a stressful time but its doable. I only got two interviews. Only went to 1 and got accepted. Its possible even with limited interviews
 
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DrDientes said:
I accepted a spot so my cycle is finally over! Hang in there guys this is a stressful time but its doable. I only got two interviews. Only went to 1 and got accepted. Its possible even with limited interviews
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Congrats!!!
 
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Nebraska has extended offers. Had some fun doing an upper anterior case at the interview
 
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Has anyone heard back from UAB for an interview or know if they have already filled their spots?
 
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Schools in general I am still waiting for a call I guess
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Im unsure to be honest, I am sure there are still some schools that may invite soon, but there really isn't a way for us applicants to know
 
I received an email from UOP to check the status of my application and to check the documents received or if something is missing They gave me student Id and log in But when I log in instead of the list of documents all I see a x mark What does that really mean ? I am so confused does that mean they have not received any documents or application is rejected but I have nothing stating it's rejected Anyone has any idea?
 
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I received an email from UOP to check the status of my application and to check the documents received or if something is missing They gave me student Id and log in But when I log in instead of the list of documents all I see a x mark What does that really mean ? I am so confused does that mean they have not received any documents or application is rejected but I have nothing stating it's rejected Anyone has any idea?
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I got the same email, but mine says completed and ready to review. I also got an email stating it was completed weeks ago. Call them, but I was under the impression that they were done interviewing and had already extended their offers. I had emailed them a little while back and they said July 27 was the only announced interview date, but maybe that has changed.
 
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I got the same email, but mine says completed and ready to review. I also got an email stating it was completed weeks ago. Call them, but I was under the impression that they were done interviewing and had already extended their offers. I had emailed them a little while back and they said July 27 was the only announced interview date, but maybe that has changed.
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Did u log in using student Id and DOB When I did to see if all documents are received I only see a red x mark and that is it I did receive an email while back stating my application is complete If they have filled there class why they messing with us just tell us thanks for applying good luck
 
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Did u log in using student Id and DOB When I did to see if all documents are received I only see a red x mark and that is it I did receive an email while back stating my application is complete If they have filled there class why they messing with us just tell us thanks for applying good luck
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Sometimes the office handling the applications is the "general graduate studies office", who doesn't know that the endo department is already done. I think most schools still want to keep applications completed and on the side in case there are last minute withdrawals from accepted candidates. I know several people who got into endo in April/May this way.
 
Did programs already give out acceptances if they have a 1-year endodontic externship position??
 
Dr dente said:
Did u log in using student Id and DOB When I did to see if all documents are received I only see a red x mark and that is it I did receive an email while back stating my application is complete If they have filled there class why they messing with us just tell us thanks for applying good luck
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Dr Suture is right it's handled by graduate admissions in general not the Endo department specifically and is standard procedure. I agree with MidwestOwl in that I'm pretty sure they are done interviewing, but why don't you call with your concern?
 
Of those of you who got offers this cycle, how many of you took the ADAT? Did the school you got into require it? Want to gauge how serious they are taking his exam as of now
 
DrDientes said:
Of those of you who got offers this cycle, how many of you took the ADAT? Did the school you got into require it? Want to gauge how serious they are taking his exam as of now
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Not many if any required it this year. I think maybe one or two. Even if it said they did, if you contacted them personally they would say it's looked upon but not required. However, many program directors at my interviews said next year they would require it. Not sure if it's true.
 
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For those that got in or plan on applying to a non-paying endo program, how do you plan on financing your education? Not to sound nosy, but do you plan on having family help with some or all of the cost of attendance? I took out full loans to get my DMD, I can't imagine staking on another 200k + opportunity cost to my existing loans, even if my income goes up as a specialist. It's a different ball game if it's a salary paying program.

Just wanted to get your thoughts. All the people I've met along the way who have applied or who are in endo programs don't seemed worried about the high price tag of residency. Is it because they have family who foot the bill? I'd like to know if taking out $700-800k in student loans to become an endodontist (or orthodontist, periodontist, prosthodontist) is the norm.
 
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Serious Question
For those that got in or plan on applying to a non-paying endo program, how do you plan on financing your education? Not to sound nosy, but do you plan on having family help with some or all of the cost of attendance? I took out full loans to get my DMD, I can't imagine staking on another 200k + opportunity cost to my existing loans, even if my income goes up as a specialist. It's a different ball game if it's a salary paying program.

Just wanted to get your thoughts. All the people I've met along the way who have applied or who are in endo programs don't seemed worried about the high price tag of residency. Is it because they have family who foot the bill? I'd like to know if taking out $700-800k in student loans to become an endodontist (or orthodontist, periodontist, prosthodontist) is the norm.
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With that amount of debt I think it's best to rely on an income based loan repayment option and stash away some cash for the tax after loan forgiveness.


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Work for three to four years. Pay off your dental school loans, and then start residency. In this case, you can only get loans for residency and in two years, you wont accumulate much interests. Most of my friends make 250-300K/year and paying student loans is not a concern to any of them.
 
I got 6 interviews and 3 acceptances so here is my advice for those applying next year. Definitely apply to a lot of schools. Yes I had some connections which helped, but I got 3 interviews from schools I would have never thought of and had no connection to so you never know. If I had to reapply next year the main thing I would do is make sure my application was ready to be submitted at the earliest possible date.
Have your personal statement finished and letters lined up prior to the opening date of PASS. On the day PASS opens immediately request your dental school transcript, deans letter, and professional evaluations. While waiting for the deans letter (my school took 3 weeks) complete all supplemental applications and have all transcripts and board scores sent. Have every part of the PASS application ready for submission on the day the dean submits his letter as that will be the last thing that comes in. This will put you at a huge advantage. I submitted my PASS June 28th, but did not do the supplementals until after and many schools had already extended invitations by that time. If I had followed the advice I just gave you I could have had everything submitted as early as June 7 and gotten more invitations. I spoke to two directors and they had their meeting regarding next year and it will NOT change to match which means many of the the interviews will continue to get earlier. Good luck! Feel free to PM me with any questions. Don't give up if this is your passion, it's worth it!
 
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MidwestOwl said:
also being a female helps, at least 2 directors told me that they are actively looking for female residents. For some reason, so many male endo residents and interviewees
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That doesn't mean you can be less qualified and get in just because you're a female. I know female applicants that did not get offers.
 
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Hi all! So after an interesting interview season, I decided on undertaking a little project to help reapplicants and new applicants gain insight to the different programs. Ideally, I'd love to compile info on every program but I'm not sure if that'll happen. The list below is some of the info I'd like to collect about each place. I know some of this stuff can be found via PASS, AAE, websites etc. I've talked to a couple ppl ( DrDientes, RCT4me) who've contributed some good info. Looking for more contributors so shoot me a PM if you'd like to help.
1. Atmosphere or culture of the place
2. Interview format and style (1 v. 1, committee interview, resident IVs) also if they're: relaxed, formal, intense
3. Case load/diversity per resident
4. Type of program: clinical, research, balanced, lit heavy, etc)
5. Program app preferences: Academics vs. new grads vs.experienced ppl
6. Unique aspects of program
7. Overall impression
 
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MidwestOwl said:
I think the cycle is basically over...
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Technically it's not over because few programs are not done yet. I think most of the active participants of the thread got accepted somewhere and that's why it's been so quiet.



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Its a shame people stopped updating this thread with information. Just because some of us got in, it doesn't mean we shouldn't keep this updated for those still waiting or for next years cycle
 
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Of those of you who got offers this cycle, how many of you took the ADAT? Did the school you got into require it? Want to gauge how serious they are taking his exam as of now
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I took the ADAT in the first testing period and had a raw score when applying for programs. A few of the schools I applied to required or recommended it. I was under the impression that programs would be able to see the raw scores if you designated them on your recipient list. Two programs actually emailed me to ask what my raw score was because apparently they only see the final official score in September. Ironically, the program I will be attending did not require the ADAT lol
 
I've got some good responses from various ppl on this program insight project. So far got info on 16 places (Nebraska, LSU, UConn, Penn, Houston, Louisville, UoP, UCSF, Rutgers, UNC, Columbia, WVU, Temple, NYU, and Nova) w/ 4-5 additional ones in process (UW, VCU, Georgia, Einstein). If anyone knows more about the east coast (Ivy, etc) or midwest (Ohio St, Marquette, etc) let me know.
 
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Has anyone accepted to Florida's program received any follow up information since accepting the position?
 
Congrats to those who got accepted, and good luck with your residency. It will be hard but memorable 2-3 years of your life.
 
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hey guys,

BU is contacting me this late for an interview in Oct. im assuming there are a few schools that are still trying to fill their classes. Good luck
 
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Hello everyone, congratulations on your interviews and acceptances.
I am a 2014 grad and am looking forward to applying for endo residency. I understand private practice experience is preferred but would an AEGD PLUS PRACTICE exp make an application more favorable?
 
student4life01 said:
Hello everyone, congratulations on your interviews and acceptances.
I am a 2014 grad and am looking forward to applying for endo residency. I understand private practice experience is preferred but would an AEGD PLUS PRACTICE exp make an application more favorable?
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Hey,
I think connection matters a lot in endo. if you finished AEGD at a school that also has endo and were a good resident, you would have a very good chance at getting accepted at that school. Schools in generally tended to be bias toward their own residents/ dental students. Good luck
 
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