What happens to Pain Med if Elizabeth Warren Wins?

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by plane, right before the govt confiscated all their property.....my building manager tried 10 times by boat. Isnt communism and socialism great? And you guys want that here? Just because "orange man bad"?

no, dude. thats not my point. as much as you like to paint the picture, all liberals dont want soviet, venezuelan, or cuban socialism/communism.

my point is that they were immigrants. i dont need the whole story, but somehow they ended up in this country because someone gave them a job, granted their access, arrived via a refugee program, etc. it just seems a bit hypocritical for you to rail against immigration.

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by plane, right before the govt confiscated all their property.....my building manager tried 10 times by boat. Isnt communism and socialism great? And you guys want that here? Just because "orange man bad"?
So those are good immigrants and the ones that walk here are " Bad immigrants".........you make perfect sense as usual
 
No you won't ... you will just continue to present falsehood and your Xenophobic rants

We are throwing around the default, weak, and petty accusation of "Phobias" now are we? That is not an argument.

These types of attacks have no power anymore. Your comrades have exhausted any meaning to these terms, since ALL your opponents are accused as racists, sexists, fascists, phobic this and phobic that.

Let me help you. Calling your opposition a Xenophobe is not an argument. Instead of that, why dont you explain why people who illegally enter this country benefit this country and its citizens and its legal immigrants.
 
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by plane, right before the govt confiscated all their property.....my building manager tried 10 times by boat. Isnt communism and socialism great? And you guys want that here? Just because "orange man bad"?

majority of americans vacillate between wanting PG and PG13 versions of socialism. you fear communism, which this is not.
Is causing other people misery worth harvesting more of your own? Is living such a spiteful existence worth all THAT? Are pointless brags about owning the libs worth losing everything else?
 
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half my family came here, the other half to Venezuela....my family came here and applied legally which is the way it should be done. I rail against the liberals because that is what they want....which equates to less freedom for us. As MM once said, i have to vote for the party who at least pretends to be conservative. Current Democrats are openly advocating for socialism and more nanny state. And the media is trying to push the same narrative. I resent being conned by the "socialism is good" narrative because my family was already conned.

Not to mention my open resentment towards Democrats and their propaganda arm(the liberal media) for fomenting racial division, high taxation, and globalist policies. Examples being the media's relentless and one sided attacks against Trump, Kavanaugh, supporting Smollett, the smirking white high school kid being racist, Avennatti...you get the point.
 
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half my family came here, the other half to Venezuela....my family came here and applied legally which is the way it should be done. I rail against the liberals because that is what they want....which equates to less freedom for us. As MM once said, i have to vote for the party who at least pretends to be conservative. Current Democrats are openly advocating for socialism and more nanny state. And the media is trying to push the same narrative. I resent being conned by the "socialism is good" narrative because my family was already conned.

Not to mention my open resentment towards Democrats and their propaganda arm(the liberal media) for fomenting racial division, high taxation, and globalist policies. Examples being the media's relentless and one sided attacks against Trump, Kavanaugh, supporting Smollett, the smirking white high school kid being racist, Avennatti...you get the point.

so, not to put words in your mouth, but your family appears to be political refugees. the only reason you are typing this malignant trash right now is because the united states granted your IMMIGRANT family the right to come here. is your family somehow more worthy than the kid from el salvador fleeing gangs, or the honduran woman who's husband threatens to kill her?

when you paint with such a broad brush against the left, you diminish the strength of your argument, and plainly sound ignorant.

i dont like all of the illegal immigration. most on the left dont, either. i think we should expand legal migration using a merit-based system, end birthright citizenship, and enforce the existing laws on the books. more judges so we can get through the backlog and actually deport some of those here illegally. just showing up and claiming asylum should get you a free ticket to the US.






"Since the mid-1960s, most Cubans who land on U.S. soil have been admitted to the United States through special humanitarian provisions of U.S. law instead of the traditional immigration pathways through which nationals of all other countries are required to seek admission. "
 
The reason is because the left is deceitful, manipulative, and power hungry, hypocritical, and just plain wrong. Cognitive dissonance.

Remember there was no immigration crisis before, it was all manufactured.

I haven’t changed my tune on anything. We all want legal immigration. Having sanctuary cities, attacking law enforcement, removing the power of ice so that they can’t do their jobs is all in favor of illegal immigration.
 
Correct me if I’m wrong but at the debates last week every single Democratic candidate raise their hand in favor of paying for the insurance of all illegal immigrants? Isn’t this making the problem worse by incentivizing immigrants to come here illegally?
 
Correct me if I’m wrong but at the debates last week every single Democratic candidate raise their hand in favor of paying for the insurance of all illegal immigrants? Isn’t this making the problem worse by incentivizing immigrants to come here illegally?

watching (and believing) foxnews will make you an even angrier person than you already are. it is not good for you. seriously.

if you have to consume some sort of right-leaning media, then at least read the WSJ. fewer conspiracy theories and fear mongering
 
Correct me if I’m wrong but at the debates last week every single Democratic candidate raise their hand in favor of paying for the insurance of all illegal immigrants? Isn’t this making the problem worse by incentivizing immigrants to come here illegally?

You are not wrong. Every single candidate said they would pay for the healthcare of anybody that illegally crosses our borders.
 
You are not wrong. Every single candidate said they would pay for the healthcare of anybody that illegally crosses our borders.

if they got shot or had a heart attack, maybe. elective joint replacements and MRIs? who knows.

raising a hand on stage doesnt leave much room for nuance.

would you advocate for not allowing an pregnant illegal alien to give birth in a hospital? go the hospital after an MVA?

would you refuse care? send them a bill? deport them on the spot?
 
if they got shot or had a heart attack, maybe. elective joint replacements and MRIs? who knows.

raising a hand on stage doesnt leave much room for nuance.

would you advocate for not allowing an pregnant illegal alien to give birth in a hospital? go the hospital after an MVA?

would you refuse care? send them a bill? deport them on the spot?

They chose to raise their hands and they have said as much over the past few months on multiple occasions. Are you saying i shouldnt believe them? They are just drumming up their base?

Of course i treat the patient. We have systems for the underserved.
 
The reason is because the left is deceitful, manipulative, and power hungry, hypocritical, and just plain wrong.
Or... narrow minded, biased, inflexible, dogmatic, and wrong... on your part.

Sad that I read your posts with the expectation that you have some semblance of common decency and possibly a willingness towards civil discourse. This post strongly strongly implies otherwise.

FWIW, hyper, illegal immigrants or their children at one time or other:

Neil Young
Salma Hayek
Arnold Schwarzenegger
Cesar Milan
Michael J Fox
Melania Trump


And also FWIW, there were no “illegal” immigrants to the US until1882 , when Congress passes the first immigration laws to stop influx of Chinese particularly in to California...se
 
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Of course i treat the patient. We have systems for the underserved.
The system you were advocating for treating the underserved is the ER. It is not sustainable to treat them with just the ER. Some form of primary care will save all of us tons of our hard earned $$$ ...
 
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Or... narrow minded, biased, inflexible, dogmatic, and wrong... on your part.

Sad that I read your posts with the expectation that you have some semblance of common decency and possibly a willingness towards civil discourse. This post strongly strongly implies otherwise.

FWIW, hyper, illegal immigrants or their children at one time or other:

Neil Young
Salma Hayek
Arnold Schwarzenegger
Cesar Milan
Michael J Fox
Melania Trump


And also FWIW, there were no “illegal” immigrants to the US until1882 , when Congress passes the first immigration laws to stop influx of Chinese particularly in to California...se

dont you get tired of trying to morally bully people? I guess i shouldnt expect much less since the left are experts at it. My family/I have been on food stamps so there really isnt anything you can say from your elitist chair to bother me.
 
There's quite a difference in socioeconomic status between the patient population of the pain clinic and plastics/cosmetic derm offices...

Not for long. Once insurance rationing starts and stops paying for the pills and shots, it’s going cash based. Only people playing golf and tennis and saved for retirement will be able to pay for it... along with the derm and plastics crowd.

Although that may also mean everyone gets a gym membership ala silver sneakers program for current Medicare patients.

Maybe opening a senior citizen gym maybe the next physician side gig to look into.
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Not for long. Once insurance rationing starts and stops paying for the pills and shots, it’s going cash based. Only people playing golf and tennis and saved for retirement will be able to pay for it... along with the derm and plastics crowd.

Although that may also mean everyone gets a gym membership ala silver sneakers program for current Medicare patients.

Maybe opening a senior citizen gym maybe the next physician side gig to look into.View attachment 270214
Different size markets entirely. One of my clinic locations is in a wealthy retirement community. Literally every rich old woman and about half the men see a dermatologist. Very few go to a pain clinic. There would be wayyy too many pain docs chasing the same small cohort of wealthy patients.
 
Almost took a job in aspen after fellowship. Docs complained that all the billionaires wanted their knee and hip replacements paid by their Medicare.

Rich people don’t part with their $ easily.
 
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dont you get tired of trying to morally bully people? I guess i shouldnt expect much less since the left are experts at it. My family/I have been on food stamps so there really isnt anything you can say from your elitist chair to bother me.
Ohh.. invoke your family......

My dad came to the US with an empty suitcase and one suit for grad school. He chose the college based on them paying for the boat and train fare to get there.

So there!
 
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dont you get tired of trying to morally bully people? I guess i shouldnt expect much less since the left are experts at it. My family/I have been on food stamps so there really isnt anything you can say from your elitist chair to bother me.
Now they're gonna say you're a hypocrite because Republicans don't want to expand food stamps.

You really can't win with these guys. Orange man bad.
 
Please explain which current or prior Supreme court judges didn't/don't follow the constitution?
No problem.

Taney, Wayne, Catron, Daniel, Nelson, Grier were all the Democrat SC justices who disgracefully signed on to the famous Dred-Scot Slavery case majority decision.

They said that black people "are not included, and were not intended to be included, under the word 'citizens' in the Constitution, and can therefore claim none of the rights and privileges which that instrument provides for and secures to citizens of the United States."

The dissenters were the only two Republicans on the court at the time, McLean and Curtis.
 
No offense, but the Republican and Democrat parties of 1857 are very different than 160 years later.

He was destined to lose anyways because 5 of the 9 justices were from the slave owning South. And one of thePenn Justices has voiced pro slavery opinions before.

You know who the decision really inflamed? Lincoln, who thought all men were created equal. I suspect Lincoln never thought that Mexicans or illegal immigrants were less than valued than anyone else. Or LGBT or women for that matter...
 
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Now they're gonna say you're a hypocrite because Republicans don't want to expand food stamps.

You really can't win with these guys. Orange man bad.
Thanks for bringing up that point. How does he invoke food stamp usage for his family and currently support a government actively eliminating SNAP?
 
The system you were advocating for treating the underserved is the ER. It is not sustainable to treat them with just the ER. Some form of primary care will save all of us tons of our hard earned $$$ ...

another reason to not incentivize them to come here.

majority of americans vacillate between wanting PG and PG13 versions of socialism. you fear communism, which this is not.
Is causing other people misery worth harvesting more of your own? Is living such a spiteful existence worth all THAT? Are pointless brags about owning the libs worth losing everything else?

Sorry if it sounds like bragging. But socialism starts with “putting the frog in the pot”. Some Democrat policies are outlandish, ridiculous, asinine, and lack common sense. And the liberal media has no boundaries to how low they will stoop. I will give no quarter.
 
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watching (and believing) foxnews will make you an even angrier person than you already are. it is not good for you. seriously.

if you have to consume some sort of right-leaning media, then at least read the WSJ. fewer conspiracy theories and fear mongering

The leftist talking points are getting so old. If a liberal starts spouting their irrational garbage any disagreement is apparently because of Fox News. The odd thing is the left seems to harbor the hate, evidenced by the lack of civility and outright lies spoken daily. I wouldn’t walk in Berkeley with my MAGA hat on because I fear the love from your ilk. Quite the opposite. A minority can walk in Red Arizona no problem.

I would point out your chosen media outlets did not acknowledge the border crisis because it wasn’t politically accepted by your Party. The crisis was there but because Pelosi/Schumer didn’t want it to exist and Trump is bad, it didn’t exist. Fox showed the crisis at the time. Time to change your reflex liberal response dontcha think?
 
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Your logic is again all wrong doctodd. We encourage all people to come to America because that is what we did and what we all are collectively- regardless of your egocentric bias against liberals. we all make America great.

America was great before trump. It is great in spite of him. He hasn’t done anything to make it great - he has only knows divisiveness and is breaking us up as a country.

Your own republican leaders - the ones who are not power hungry and the essence of the swamp (McConnell, Graham, Cruz) - recognized this, and the true Republicans spoke out - Flake. McCain. Kasich. Amash.

How many Dems did the same to Obama, or Repubs to HW or Dubya?

FWIW, your logic is backwards. The reason there weren’t that many reports of the border crisis is because the crisis has been manufactured by the trump organization.
 
Your logic is again all wrong doctodd. We encourage all people to come to America because that is what we did and what we all are collectively- regardless of your egocentric bias against liberals. we all make America great.

America was great before trump. It is great in spite of him. He hasn’t done anything to make it great - he has only knows divisiveness and is breaking us up as a country.

Your own republican leaders - the ones who are not power hungry and the essence of the swamp (McConnell, Graham, Cruz) - recognized this, and the true Republicans spoke out - Flake. McCain. Kasich. Amash.

How many Dems did the same to Obama, or Repubs to HW or Dubya?

FWIW, your logic is backwards. The reason there weren’t that many reports of the border crisis is because the crisis has been manufactured by the trump organization.

Wow. Real crisis. Everyone admits it now. Pelosi, Schumer, NYT, MSNBC.
 
Lol this is the funniest sub forum on SDN. Who needs presidential debates, Fox, or MSNBC when you got SDN pain medicine?
 
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FWIW, no one is going to create single payer healthcare any time soon. Even if you support Obamacare, it was political poison at the time it was enacted. No one wants that.

Whether Warren or Trump wins, there will be a continued shift from Medicare Part B to Medicare Advantage (HMOs like Kaiser). The MACRA/MIPS plan will buckle under pressure as soon as penalties start.

Basically, more of the same. Medicare Part B will continue to use private insurance tactics employing pre-auths for everything, etc.
 
Your logic is again all wrong doctodd. We encourage all people to come to America because that is what we did and what we all are collectively- regardless of your egocentric bias against liberals. we all make America great.

America was great before trump. It is great in spite of him. He hasn’t done anything to make it great - he has only knows divisiveness and is breaking us up as a country.

Your own republican leaders - the ones who are not power hungry and the essence of the swamp (McConnell, Graham, Cruz) - recognized this, and the true Republicans spoke out - Flake. McCain. Kasich. Amash.

How many Dems did the same to Obama, or Repubs to HW or Dubya?

FWIW, your logic is backwards. The reason there weren’t that many reports of the border crisis is because the crisis has been manufactured by the trump organization.

good effort in bringing us together.

FYI McCain, Bush, and the other rhinos are politicians like all the rest. McCain was a vindictive dingus before he died. His hateful vote to keep Obamacare is his legacy as a politician.
 
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good effort in bringing us together.

FYI McCain, Bush, and the other rhinos are politicians like all the rest. McCain was a vindictive dingus before he died. His hateful vote to keep Obamacare is his legacy as a politician.

is RINOs, not

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Single payor healthcare system NOT likely any time soon. Insurance companies control the legislative power via lobbyists.

The primary reason the ACA was 'allowed' to pass was that it was a conduit for billions of taxpayer payola to be funneled into the insurance companies.

Cheers
 
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The leftist talking points are getting so old. If a liberal starts spouting their irrational garbage any disagreement is apparently because of Fox News. The odd thing is the left seems to harbor the hate, evidenced by the lack of civility and outright lies spoken daily. I wouldn’t walk in Berkeley with my MAGA hat on because I fear the love from your ilk. Quite the opposite. A minority can walk in Red Arizona no problem.

I would point out your chosen media outlets did not acknowledge the border crisis because it wasn’t politically accepted by your Party. The crisis was there but because Pelosi/Schumer didn’t want it to exist and Trump is bad, it didn’t exist. Fox showed the crisis at the time. Time to change your reflex liberal response dontcha think?

SMH

dont start an debate with a falsehood, then rail upon that falsehood.

EVERYTHING is not because of fox news, the left is not the only party harboring hate (i would argue otherwise, but i digress), and the border crisis HAS been acknowledged (at least the portion that trump has created to foment fear)

if you start believing your own lies, then it is easy to hate the other side.
 
SMH

dont start an debate with a falsehood, then rail upon that falsehood.

EVERYTHING is not because of fox news, the left is not the only party harboring hate (i would argue otherwise, but i digress), and the border crisis HAS been acknowledged (at least the portion that trump has created to foment fear)

if you start believing your own lies, then it is easy to hate the other side.

Fox News is the boogeyman to the left. How about this: Fox News is very frequently mentioned during a political conversation, and from my perspective, the left needs someone or something to blame.

There is a real crisis that even Jeh Johnson acknowledges. There isn’t really a Trump-created crisis but rather an Obama-created crisis that has roots in DACA. Why so many kids at the border now? You do know that’s not the historical norm, right?
 
if you are worried about divisiveness and the root of divisiveness, then you need to look at right wing media - rush Limbaugh, hannity and beck, savage, alex jones. Drudge report, breitbart, infowars. and townhall...

in fact, look at what one of the former Fox News commentators said (and I'm quoting this right wing site on purpose):

Well, it’s about facts, not partisanship," Cameron said in the video. "I was one of Fox's first hires. The idea of 'fair and balanced' news appealed to me, but over the years, right-wing hosts drowned out straight journalism with partisan misinformation."

and Shep Smith is not lock step with the Trump administration. in fact, the News division of Fox news is not pro trump. the problem with Fox "News" is that the evening programs are all opinion pieces masquerading as news. gullible people unfortunately believe that it is actual "news" that is talked about in Hannity, Ingraham, Pirro, etc.

(try this for size: Can you beat my score? Play the fake news game!


want to solve the immigration crisis? forget about walls, detention centers, everything that Trump is doing. focus on 1. the root cause (which is discontent and danger in central American countries) and 2. improve the asylum process and make these kids legal immigrants, that we can make in to loyal US citizens. they will be productive and pay back our country.

that's the democratic way.
 
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if you are worried about divisiveness and the root of divisiveness, then you need to look at right wing media - rush Limbaugh, hannity and beck, savage, alex jones. Drudge report, breitbart, infowars. and townhall...

in fact, look at what one of the former Fox News commentators said (and I'm quoting this right wing site on purpose):



and Shep Smith is not lock step with the Trump administration. in fact, the News division of Fox news is not pro trump. the problem with Fox "News" is that the evening programs are all opinion pieces masquerading as news. gullible people unfortunately believe that it is actual "news" that is talked about in Hannity, Ingraham, Pirro, etc.

(try this for size: Can you beat my score? Play the fake news game!


want to solve the immigration crisis? forget about walls, detention centers, everything that Trump is doing. focus on 1. the root cause (which is discontent and danger in central American countries) and 2. improve the asylum process and make these kids legal immigrants, that we can make in to loyal US citizens. they will be productive and pay back our country.

that's the democratic way.

You make my point. Fox is a news organization and the actual news is straight up. Opinion shows are just that. Liberals all around bring up Fox News as if they hypnotize and control people that disagree with them. It’s condescending and odd.

If you want root cause? It’s DACA. The discontent and danger has been there for years. It was certainly there in 2008. 2010 too. Why are more kids coming now?

These people aren’t asylum seekers. Their government isn’t persecuting them.

The democratic way is relative. In 1920 there was no safety net. Immigrants came and left. That was democratic, no? Now the safety net costs the taxpayer more because the illegals cannot pay for kids’ schools, health care, and basic government services they benefit from by sales and gas taxes. Following the law is a basic democratic way.
 
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You make my point. Fox is a news organization and the actual news is straight up. Opinion shows are just that. Liberals all around bring up Fox News as if they hypnotize and control people that disagree with them. It’s condescending and odd.

If you want root cause? It’s DACA. The discontent and danger has been there for years. It was certainly there in 2008. 2010 too. Why are more kids coming now?

These people aren’t asylum seekers. Their government isn’t persecuting them.

The democratic way is relative. In 1920 there was no safety net. Immigrants came and left. That was democratic, no? Now the safety net costs the taxpayer more because the illegals cannot pay for kids’ schools, health care, and basic government services they benefit from by sales and gas taxes. Following the law is a basic democratic way.
No you glossed over my point. People equate Fox news with the opinion shows on Fox during the evening. For the vast majority of Americans, hannity et al IS Fox News.

The rest of your DACA argument is gibberish. Why are Americans upset over kids who go to American schools, learn American history, become Americans spout outrage?

And you argue about illegals not paying taxes (which is btw false). Fyi if you had a process to make them legals, if you provided them access to jobs, if you don’t severely limit the asylum process, they would pay their fair share of taxes.
 
Liberals all around bring up Fox News as if they hypnotize and control people that disagree with them. It’s condescending and odd.
Many liberals are, in fact, hypnotized and controlled by liberal media to believe that Fox News is full of evil and lies. Their masters' first order of business is to inoculate the masses against contrary opinions.

I think a lot of people aren't really seeking information to use in logical decision-making. They are seeking ANSWERS, leaders, and role models to follow.
 
i never said i was a Republican....we have had this same conversation 2 or 3 times.

It seems the liberal media is imploding and the population is seeing the truth about their bias......as if we haven't been telling you this for awhile.


 
maybe we should retitle this thread to what happens if Kamala Harris wins with her comments Sunday morning on allocating billions of dollars for African American homeownership. After Dodd-Frank and the last financial crisis, what could go wrong?

On the other hand, Trump also has a stance on minority home ownership, but advocates deregulation....not sure how i feel about it.

 
maybe we should retitle this thread to what happens if Kamala Harris wins with her comments Sunday morning on allocating billions of dollars for African American homeownership. After Dodd-Frank and the last financial crisis, what could go wrong?

On the other hand, Trump also has a stance on minority home ownership, but advocates deregulation....not sure how i feel about it.
The Trump Admin approach is the best answer to the Kamala approach, which as you point out was a complete disaster in the past. It's the most obvious cause of the subprime mortgage crisis and Great Recession.

From the EO, the regs they want to address are:
"These regulatory barriers include: overly restrictive zoning and growth management controls; rent controls; cumbersome building and rehabilitation codes; excessive energy and water efficiency mandates; unreasonable maximum-density allowances; historic preservation requirements; overly burdensome wetland or environmental regulations; outdated manufactured-housing regulations and restrictions; undue parking requirements; cumbersome and time-consuming permitting and review procedures; tax policies that discourage investment or reinvestment; overly complex labor requirements; and inordinate impact or developer fees. "
 

“Trump and the Republicans will spend a billion dollars telling the American people that the Democrats want to take away your health insurance,” Mr. Delaney said, “and he would be correct.”

Excluding America, which country has the best health care system in the world?
This would be my pick for a question that every candidate (including GOP) has to answer.
 
Excluding America, which country has the best health care system in the world?
This would be my pick for a question that every candidate (including GOP) has to answer.
I don't know if anyone could answer that.

Usually people measure "systems" with population metrics like, how many people are "covered", etc. A lot of Americans don't care about that. They want THEIR doc to be well trained, available, and to have the best resources.

My question would be, are you and your family better off than you were 4 years ago and are you optimistic?
 
We are throwing around the default, weak, and petty accusation of "Phobias" now are we? That is not an argument.

These types of attacks have no power anymore. Your comrades have exhausted any meaning to these terms, since ALL your opponents are accused as racists, sexists, fascists, phobic this and phobic that.

Let me help you. Calling your opposition a Xenophobe is not an argument. Instead of that, why dont you explain why people who illegally enter this country benefit this country and its citizens and its legal immigrants.
It is pretty clear from your prior posts you dislike latin american immigrants....You don't quite vae the same disdain for Asian ones...Too close to home?
 
i never said i was a Republican....we have had this same conversation 2 or 3 times.

It seems the liberal media is imploding and the population is seeing the truth about their bias......as if we haven't been telling you this for awhile.



What are you ashamed of in calling yourself a Republican?
You parrot their talking points 99% of the time.

Does saying you are a Libertarian make you fell "special"?
 
I don't know if anyone could answer that.

Usually people measure "systems" with population metrics like, how many people are "covered", etc. A lot of Americans don't care about that. They want THEIR doc to be well trained, available, and to have the best resources.

My question would be, are you and your family better off than you were 4 years ago and are you optimistic?
4 years ago... during the Obama administration when the economy and Markets were already improving?
 
4 years ago... during the Obama administration when the economy and Markets were already improving?

i thought i heard ssdoc and the democratic candidates say the economy isnt great....so which is it?
 
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