What happens to Pain Med if Elizabeth Warren Wins?

[drusso]

Democrat vs. Democrat: How Health Care Is Dividing the Party (Published 2019)

An issue that united the party in 2018 has potential to fracture it in 2020.

www.nytimes.com

“Trump and the Republicans will spend a billion dollars telling the American people that the Democrats want to take away your health insurance,” Mr. Delaney said, “and he would be correct.”

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[hyperalgesia]

Unless she also gets a super-majority in congress, nothing changes. As the Obamacare fiasco demonstrated, divided congress is the only thing holding these pandering windbags back from doing real damage.

If Warren becomes president, she and her media acolytes will drill it into people's heads that their employers and "the rich" are plotting their downfall. It will breed another generation of hateful people who believe in the liberal dystopian fantasy world.

 

[Aether2000]

Imagine running your practice with only Medicare patients with all the Medicare rules and sea of documentation and civil and criminal penalties if you do not. Then do the math. If you are old enough to retire, it may be a perfect time to exit medicine.

 

[willabeast]

The one thing you can count on in the USA is political paralysis. You have to have some sort of national catastrophe like another Great Depression or WW3 to get any sort of meaningful change in the system. BTW it is not Warren you should fear, it is Harris. She is the real deal. Trump would much rather run against Warren or Biden.

 

[bronx43]

The one thing you can count on in the USA is political paralysis. You have to have some sort of national catastrophe like another Great Depression or WW3 to get any sort of meaningful change in the system. BTW it is not Warren you should fear, it is Harris. She is the real deal. Trump would much rather run against Warren or Biden.

All these are establishment candidates - Harris, Biden and even Warren. If Harris wins, we will hear more about equality and social justice but I wouldn’t expect any sweeping changes to the status quo.

 

[Doctodd]

even CNN says Democrats have the worst strategy ever.....skip to 1 minute mark and significant commentary is only a 3 minute segment

 

[willabeast]

Harris is another power hungry self serving politician. She will sell out to the highest bidder. Nothing to worry about if she gets elected. But make no mistake - she is smart and hungry for power.

 

[Disciple]

Harris is another power hungry self serving politician. She will sell out to the highest bidder. Nothing to worry about if she gets elected. But make no mistake - she is smart and hungry for power.

Kamala Harris launched political career with $120K ‘patronage’ job from boyfriend Willie Brown - Washington Examiner

Kamala Harris’ first significant political role was an appointment by her powerful then-boyfriend Willie Brown, three decades her senior, to a California medical board that has been criticized as a landing spot for patronage jobs and kickbacks. Then 30, Harris was dating 60-year-old Willie...

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Former S.F. Mayor Willie Brown writes about dating Kamala Harris, appointing her to posts

In her 2003 run for San Francisco district attorney, Kamala Harris called Willie Brown an "albatross hanging around my neck."

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[TheIllusionist]

KAG

Keep America Great

 

[hyperalgesia]

Harris is another power hungry self serving politician. She will sell out to the highest bidder. Nothing to worry about if she gets elected. But make no mistake - she is smart and hungry for power.

Most people seem to choke, once they are mono y mono with Trump. This is what I would expect from Kamala and most of the other democrats.

 

[Ligament]

Imagine running your practice with only Medicare patients with all the Medicare rules and sea of documentation and civil and criminal penalties if you do not. Then do the math. If you are old enough to retire, it may be a perfect time to exit medicine.

This sounds FANTASTIC to our leftist, socialist members here on SDN.

 

[geauxg8rs]

Most people seem to choke, once they are mono y mono with Trump. This is what I would expect from Kamala and most of the other democrats.

If Warren wins Indian healthcare will be well funded

 

[parliamentarian]

Most people seem to choke, once they are mono y mono with Trump. This is what I would expect from Kamala and most of the other democrats.

Well to be fair it seemed only other Republicans choked when on the debate stage with him. While Hillary lost most agreed that she outperformed him in every debate.

 

[hyperalgesia]

Well to be fair it seemed only other Republicans choked when on the debate stage with him. While Hillary lost most agreed that she outperformed him in every debate.

I agree that Hillary didn't choke.

But I think the weakness of almost all politicians is that they have a very low threshold for fame/power before they get drunk on it and completely lose touch. Biden is literally slurring his words. I see it with Kamala too.

These people live and die politics so reaching the office of POTUS is like going to heaven. I don't think they feel worthy of the office they seek. Trump does...

 

[Ducttape]

i dont see Nancy Pelosi choking when confronting Trump.

 

[Stagg737]

i dont see Nancy Pelosi choking when confronting Trump.

I think all the democrats in congress would disagree with you right now...

 

[Ligament]

Tulsi Gabbard will become the democratic nominee.

 

[SSdoc33]

i hate to ruin your little conservative circle jerk, but SE cupp is a registered republican, my practice would get easier and id make more money if i saw all medicare patients, and the attacks on harris are laughable.

that being said: i dont like the idea of medicare for all. single payer means that reimbursements can go down on a whim and we wont have much say. there should be crappy, cheap, universal health care for everyone with the option of those with money to buy a better plan. that is the answer. im not sure if we will get there..... at least not for a while

as far as the OP, if liz wins AND the senate goes blue, then there could be some fundamental structural changes in 2020 -- ie: elimination of private insurance and universal single payer "something". id put that possibility at around 15%. senate staying red is >50%, trump winning again (gulp) is probably around 50%, and someone besides liz, harris, or bernie winning the democratic ticket is also maybe 50%.

also, i really dont like the idea of a liz warren presidency (or a bernie presidency for that matter). not in love with harris to be honest.
if it came down to bernie or liz vs Weld, i would vote for weld, but any Democrat vs trump is a no-brainer.

 

[drusso]

i hate to ruin your little conservative circle jerk, but SE cupp is a registered republican, my practice would get easier and id make more money if i saw all medicare patients, and the attacks on harris are laughable.

that being said: i dont like the idea of medicare for all. single payer means that reimbursements can go down on a whim and we wont have much say. there should be crappy, cheap, universal health care for everyone with the option of those with money to buy a better plan. that is the answer. im not sure if we will get there..... at least not for a while

as far as the OP, if liz wins AND the senate goes blue, then there could be some fundamental structural changes in 2020 -- ie: elimination of private insurance and universal single payer "something". id put that possibility at around 15%. senate staying red is >50%, trump winning again (gulp) is probably around 50%, and someone besides liz, harris, or bernie winning the democratic ticket is also maybe 50%.

also, i really dont like the idea of a liz warren presidency (or a bernie presidency for that matter). not in love with harris to be honest.
if it came down to bernie or liz vs Weld, i would vote for weld, but any Democrat vs trump is a no-brainer.

Medicare for All Would Abolish Private Insurance. ‘There’s No Precedent in American History.’ (Published 2019)

Unlike Obamacare, emerging plans would sweep away the private health insurance system. What would that mean for the companies’ workers, the stock market and the cost of care?

www.nytimes.com

 

[callmeanesthesia]

It’s quite wonderfully optimistic if you to think any of these people (Democrat or Republican) is going to do anything other than continue the slow inevitable slide toward a healthcare “system” where doctors and patients are just cogs in a business machine to make money for other people.

 

[hyperalgesia]

Tulsi Gabbard will become the democratic nominee.

She's good with the moderates but I'm not sure she has a core base of die hards.

I'll put my money on Beto. He could channel JFK...

 

[Ligament]

She's good with the moderates but I'm not sure she has a core base of die hards.

I'll put my money on Beto. He could channel JFK...

Beto channels a spastic 10 year old boy with ADHD. The way that fool gestures with his arms is ridiculous.

 

[Ducttape]

for all this doom and gloom, I highly doubt that Medicare for All will occur, even with a Warren or Sanders presidency.
1. there is so much government paralysis as it is, especially with McConnell shutting down everything that he doesn't agree with. nothing will reach the Senate floor.
2. heck the Repubs couldn't revoke Obamacare without judicial help.
3. managing dems in congress =/= confronting Trump. not equivalent and completely separate.
4. and his gestures affects his politicizing how?

trump has already done the gesture thing.

 

[lonelobo]

Beto channels a spastic 10 year old boy with ADHD. The way that fool gestures with his arms is ridiculous.

Oh Really...

 

[cowboydoc]

Oh Really...
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Well played!

 

[Doctodd]

are we playing memes?......fyi liberals suck at memes.

 

[hyperalgesia]

Beto channels a spastic 10 year old boy with ADHD. The way that fool gestures with his arms is ridiculous.

I think that innocent quality will be attractive to liberals. He just needs one good breakout night. They are looking for someone who "represents who we are as a nation" and they want that to be innocent and youthful. I actually think he's a lot less dangerous than Warren or Bernie despite the batsh-t crazy that he spouts nowadays.

Maybe Kamala will win it?

The biggest mistake for dems would be to nominate Biden. I honestly feel sorry for him because I know he's about to get eaten alive at debates that really shouldn't mean that much. I think he's been on cruise control for the past 20 years.

 

[SterlingMaloryArcher]

Please don't say that.

I hope it doesnt come to that.

She is so annoying.

I just wouldn't know what to do

 

[Ferrismonk]

It’s quite wonderfully optimistic if you to think any of these people (Democrat or Republican) is going to do anything other than continue the slow inevitable slide toward a healthcare “system” where doctors nurses and patients are just cogs in a business machine to make money for other people.

There, fixed it for you.

 

[lonelobo]

are we playing memes?......fyi liberals suck at memes. View attachment 269918

Wow really on top of your game with that post,
By the way I didn't post a meme....just an image showing the silly hipocrisy of Ligament's ignorant statement

 

[Ducttape]

you are right, for a change, doctodd

thats because the conservatives on this forum tend to post memes.

the liberals post the truth.

 

[Ligament]

Wow really on top of your game with that post,
By the way I didn't post a meme....just an image showing the silly hipocrisy of Ligament's ignorant statement

What? Trump was intentionaly acting spastic in that photo for comedic effect. Are you implying that is his typical method of moving? Are you serious?

Beto is throwing his arms around like flagella every time he speaks. What is ignorant about my statement? Where is the hipocrisy?

Just yesterday Beto was doing it while campaigning in MEXICO. LOL.

 

[lonelobo]

What? Trump was intentionaly acting spastic in that photo for comedic effect. Are you implying that is his typical method of moving? Are you serious?

. LOL.

Tells me what I need to know when you support someone who makes fun of disabled person for a laugh( though this is actually one of his least offensive things)

 

[Ligament]

Tells me what I need to know when you support someone who makes fun of disabled person for a laugh( though this is actually one of his least offensive things)

I care about what the President gets done for this country, not how politically correct he can be. Hopefully, we do not vote for somebody based on how much virtue signaling or politically correct speech they can throw our way.

 

[hyperalgesia]

Tells me what I need to know when you support someone who makes fun of disabled person for a laugh( though this is actually one of his least offensive things)

IIRC this reporter was trash talking Trump before this?

 

[hyperalgesia]

I care about what the President gets done for this country, not how politically correct he can be. Hopefully, we do not vote for somebody based on how much virtue signaling or politically correct speech they can throw our way.

Thats just it. It's all symbolism for liberals, and who makes them feel a tingle up the leg like Obama did for Chris Matthews.

 

[lonelobo]

Thats just it. It's all symbolism for liberals, and who makes them feel a tingle up the leg like Obama did for Chris Matthews.

LMAO

Kinda of like the 4th off July Parade with Tanks and Jets?
"Big 4th of July in D.C. 'Salute to America.'" Trump tweeted on Tuesday morning. "The Pentagon & our great Military Leaders are thrilled to be doing this & showing to the American people, among other things, the strongest and most advanced Military anywhere in the World. Incredible Flyovers & biggest ever Fireworks!

Or the Dufus Holding up every Bill or order He signs for a Photo op?

 

[lonelobo]

I care about what the President gets done for this country, not how politically correct he can be. Hopefully, we do not vote for somebody based on how much virtue signaling or politically correct speech they can throw our way.

Problem with your logic is he hasn't done sh't

 

[Ligament]

Problem with your logic is he hasn't done sh't

Ok I'll remember that.

 

[hyperalgesia]

LMAO

Kinda of like the 4th off July Parade with Tanks and Jets?
"Big 4th of July in D.C. 'Salute to America.'" Trump tweeted on Tuesday morning. "The Pentagon & our great Military Leaders are thrilled to be doing this & showing to the American people, among other things, the strongest and most advanced Military anywhere in the World. Incredible Flyovers & biggest ever Fireworks!

Or the Dufus Holding up every Bill or order He signs for a Photo op?

America didn't put Trump into office because he symbolizes the perfect father, son, husband.

America put him into office because he put judges on the Supreme Court who respect the constitution. He helped make the corporate tax code competitive for America.

There are no photos, sound bytes, reports or investigations that take away those MAJOR accomplishments.

I could care less about his personal failings.

 

[Doctodd]

Tells me what I need to know when you support someone who makes fun of disabled person for a laugh( though this is actually one of his least offensive things)

you're right....lets open our borders, insure all the illegal immigrants, and let the govt control our lives to make sure that doesnt happen again.

 

[Doctodd]

LMAO

Kinda of like the 4th off July Parade with Tanks and Jets?
"Big 4th of July in D.C. 'Salute to America.'" Trump tweeted on Tuesday morning. "The Pentagon & our great Military Leaders are thrilled to be doing this & showing to the American people, among other things, the strongest and most advanced Military anywhere in the World. Incredible Flyovers & biggest ever Fireworks!

Or the Dufus Holding up every Bill or order He signs for a Photo op?
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sounds like he lives rent free in your head 24/7....sorry little guy.

 

[myrandom2003]

My thought about pain if we go single payer?
It’s going cash based like plastics or derm.

People will pay for things that make them feel good. However up until now, insurance has been paying for it. Once the rationing for meaningful healthcare starts, pain probably won’t be covered unless for cancer or whatever.
Also, less knee replacements and spinal fusions probably as well.

 

[SSdoc33]

you're right....lets open our borders, insure all the illegal immigrants, and let the govt control our lives to make sure that doesnt happen again.

wondering: how did your cuban relatives get to america? not trying to be a d$ck

 

[lonelobo]

sounds like he lives rent free in your head 24/7....sorry little guy.

This " Little Guy" just likes to call out fraud and nonsense...kinda of like your beliefs

 

[lonelobo]

Ok I'll remember that.

No you won't ... you will just continue to present falsehood and your Xenophobic rants

 

[lonelobo]

America put him into office because he put judges on the Supreme Court who respect the constitution.
Please explain which current or prior Supreme court judges didn't/don't follow the constitution?

He helped make the corporate tax code competitive for America.

$1.5 trillion U.S. tax cut has no major impact on business capex...

The Trump administration's $1.5 trillion cut tax package appeared to have n...

www.reuters.com

There are no photos, sound bytes, reports or investigations that take away those MAJOR accomplishments.

I could care less about his personal failings.

 

[bronx43]

My thought about pain if we go single payer?
It’s going cash based like plastics or derm.

People will pay for things that make them feel good. However up until now, insurance has been paying for it. Once the rationing for meaningful healthcare starts, pain probably won’t be covered unless for cancer or whatever.
Also, less knee replacements and spinal fusions probably as well.

There's quite a difference in socioeconomic status between the patient population of the pain clinic and plastics/cosmetic derm offices...

 

[Gauss]

by continuing to ignore the problem you will only see more and more radical plans arise. Warren started as a moderate supporting a public option but now is into single payer. she understands the data better than the rest, https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp1716604
but the anger keeps rising as the problem worsens, there will be blood...

 

[Doctodd]

wondering: how did your cuban relatives get to america? not trying to be a d$ck

by plane, right before the govt confiscated all their property.....my building manager tried 10 times by boat. Isnt communism and socialism great? And you guys want that here? Just because "orange man bad"?