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turnupthegas said:
I had a call with Cedars. Call burden was very high with many late nights. “Q3 in house.” Moving to supervision. 550+ was for liver call. Not sure about generalists.
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supposedly this person is 500+ with no nights or weekends. doing pain maybe general as well. left kaiser saying she'll be making double while working less who knows. grass is always greener somewhere else i guess.
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turnupthegas said:
I had a call with Cedars. Call burden was very high with many late nights. “Q3 in house.” Moving to supervision. 550+ was for liver call. Not sure about generalists.
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USC is something like 425k to start, 40 hr week (includes call hours). Usually 4-6 weeks off, benefits, etc
 
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UscGhost said:
USC is something like 425k to start, 40 hr week (includes call hours). Usually 4-6 weeks off, benefits, etc
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Wow that makes Kaiser even less attractive with like $300k to start for 40 hours. Those benefits aren’t as great as people rave about as someone above has said. Lifetime healthcare is no longer offered.
 
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GaseousClay said:
Wow that makes Kaiser even less attractive with like $300k to start for 40 hours. Those benefits aren’t as great as people rave about as someone above has said. Lifetime healthcare is no longer offered.
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That's one of the many reasons Kaiser is always recruiting and is never staffed appropriately.
 
kidthor said:
That employment setup is for LAC hospital, which is splitting from USC.
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Yup. The county generally has excellent benefits so it's good to be tied into that system
 
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UscGhost said:
Yup. The county generally has excellent benefits so it's good to be tied into that system
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Anyone know if this data is accurate? (you have search "phys spec anesthesiology" in top right box)

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There are assistant professor level staff that are ~450k base with 150k+ "overtime/other earnings". With benefits some are chasing almost 700k total within 5 years of employment. Am I missing something here?
 
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zkz05 said:
Anyone know if this data is accurate? (you have search "phys spec anesthesiology" in top right box)

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There are assistant professor level staff that are ~450k base with 150k+ "overtime/other earnings". With benefits some are chasing almost 700k total within 5 years of employment. Am I missing something here?
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Yeah some of these total compensations are mind boggling. Pretty jealous tbh.
 
zkz05 said:
Anyone know if this data is accurate? (you have search "phys spec anesthesiology" in top right box)

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There are assistant professor level staff that are ~450k base with 150k+ "overtime/other earningsAnyone know if this data is accurate? (you have search "phys spec anesthesiology" in top right box)
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zkz05 said:
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Harbor-UCLA and Oliveview are also run by the county. And their pay is very good. Especially for the old timers who must have gotten yearly incremental raises.

In Santa Clara county, several of the top 10 highest paid county employees are anesthesiologists with total compensation >$800k.
 
nimbus said:
Harbor-UCLA and Oliveview are also run by the county. And their pay is very good. Especially for the old timers who must have gotten yearly incremental raises.

In Santa Clara county, several of the top 10 highest paid county employees are anesthesiologists with total compensation >$800k.
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How many hours do they work per week?
 
UscGhost said:
USC is something like 425k to start, 40 hr week (includes call hours). Usually 4-6 weeks off, benefits, etc
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What is the pay differential between fellowship trained and non-fellowship trained anesthesiologists? Does County USC post salaries online?
 
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MoonUnitZappa said:
What is the pay differential between fellowship trained and non-fellowship trained anesthesiologists? Does County USC post salaries online?
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I am not aware of USC paying salaries since it is a private institution.

Los Angeles County hospital is a public facility so the compensation for public employees is available for anyone to see. You can search by names.

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For the University of California system (UCLA etc) you can search the following:

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anonperson said:
I am not aware of USC paying salaries since it is a private institution.

Los Angeles County hospital is a public facility so the compensation for public employees is available for anyone to see. You can search by names.

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To clarify, my question was about Los Angeles County hospital, not the private USC hospital known as Keck. Or Olive View for that matter. Is there a difference in salary between fellowship-trained and non-fellowship-trained anesthesiologists? I don't know any names so I cannot look up their compensation. Thank you.
 
MoonUnitZappa said:
To clarify, my question was about Los Angeles County hospital, not the private USC hospital known as Keck. Or Olive View for that matter. Is there a difference in salary between fellowship-trained and non-fellowship-trained anesthesiologists? I don't know any names so I cannot look up their compensation. Thank you.
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Yes, I don't think it's massive though..20k maybe

A small bump, along with incremental increase based on years of experience too
 
GaseousClay said:
Wow that makes Kaiser even less attractive with like $300k to start for 40 hours. Those benefits aren’t as great as people rave about as someone above has said. Lifetime healthcare is no longer offered.
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Starting base is certainly an important component of job evaluation, but it's not everything. The pension is worth $150,000/year after 20 years of service. That would cost $3 million to purchase as a SPIA at age 58. You would need to invest $75,000/year at a 7% rate of return for those 20 years to get to that number. Please name these other SoCal groups that have "great" benefits by your definition. I am genuinely curious.

After a few years you will make around $450-500k (approaching 600k total compensation) for 50 hrs/wk with no trauma or transplant call, 8.5 weeks PTO, sick leave, paid holidays, and as predictable a schedule as you can get in this line of work. Is it for everyone? Is it the best job out there? Of course not. I just really don't get the criticism around these parts. There are many worse jobs.
 
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kaioukenx said:
Starting base is certainly an important component of job evaluation, but it's not everything. The pension is worth $150,000/year after 20 years of service. That would cost $3 million to purchase as a SPIA at age 58. You would need to invest $75,000/year at a 7% rate of return for those 20 years to get to that number. Please name these other SoCal groups that have "great" benefits by your definition. I am genuinely curious.

After a few years you will make around $450-500k (approaching 600k total compensation) for 50 hrs/wk with no trauma or transplant call, 8.5 weeks PTO, sick leave, paid holidays, and as predictable a schedule as you can get in this line of work. Is it for everyone? Is it the best job out there? Of course not. I just really don't get the criticism around these parts. There are many worse jobs.
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$600k for 50 hours a week with Actually taking 8.5 weeks off a year I’d love to see proof of that.
 
kaioukenx said:
Starting base is certainly an important component of job evaluation, but it's not everything. The pension is worth $150,000/year after 20 years of service. That would cost $3 million to purchase as a SPIA at age 58. You would need to invest $75,000/year at a 7% rate of return for those 20 years to get to that number. Please name these other SoCal groups that have "great" benefits by your definition. I am genuinely curious.

After a few years you will make around $450-500k (approaching 600k total compensation) for 50 hrs/wk with no trauma or transplant call, 8.5 weeks PTO, sick leave, paid holidays, and as predictable a schedule as you can get in this line of work. Is it for everyone? Is it the best job out there? Of course not. I just really don't get the criticism around these parts. There are many worse jobs.
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Problem is..that's "if" you make partner which is far from guaranteed. I know several stellar anesthesiologists who got strung along and didn't make partner because of some issue with a crna, or the politics of the overall group.

Not to mention the 2-3 year partnership track at a lower pay at $160/hr (may be slightly more now) which can amount to several hundred thousand in lost income vs PP and the fact that you have to supervise crnas..

Its certainly not the worst job, but certainly not the best. Kaiser is it's own world and it works well for some and not for others
 
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kaioukenx said:
Starting base is certainly an important component of job evaluation, but it's not everything. The pension is worth $150,000/year after 20 years of service. That would cost $3 million to purchase as a SPIA at age 58. You would need to invest $75,000/year at a 7% rate of return for those 20 years to get to that number. Please name these other SoCal groups that have "great" benefits by your definition. I am genuinely curious.

After a few years you will make around $450-500k (approaching 600k total compensation) for 50 hrs/wk with no trauma or transplant call, 8.5 weeks PTO, sick leave, paid holidays, and as predictable a schedule as you can get in this line of work. Is it for everyone? Is it the best job out there? Of course not. I just really don't get the criticism around these parts. There are many worse jobs.
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I think you're obfuscating a lot of the information about the job.

"A few years" is really a decade and it's not exactly 8.5 weeks of true vacation. You start with 18 vacation days and only get to 28 days after 10 years of service. The 8.5 weeks number you're referring to also includes 5 days for CME and 10 days for sick leave. Not exactly vacation.

As for the compensation, I won't argue with that number since it's certainly possible. But you're not including the number of late nights and in-house overnight calls you need to take each month to trigger the differential multiplier and get to that number. I can tell you that it is more than most private practices.

Finally with regards to the pension, it's only calculated on your base pay and it's not indexed for inflation. As with all pensions, it becomes less valuable each year. A good private practice group that has a cash balance plan is a better alternative.

For those interested, the benefits handbook is readily available online:

As I said above, it's a perfectly fine job for some, just not for me. I seriously considered Kaiser, but decided that at the end of the day, I could do better from both a personal lifestyle and financial perspective at a private practice group across the street.
 
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GaseousClay said:
$600k for 50 hours a week with Actually taking 8.5 weeks off a year I’d love to see proof of that.
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450k + 70k (value of pension) + 20k (health/vision/dental for family of 4) + disability + malpractice + bonus gets you pretty close to 600k.


UscGhost said:
Problem is..that's "if" you make partner which is far from guaranteed. I know several stellar anesthesiologists who got strung along and didn't make partner because of some issue with a crna, or the politics of the overall group.

Not to mention the 2-3 year partnership track at a lower pay at $160/hr (may be slightly more now) which can amount to several hundred thousand in lost income vs PP and the fact that you have to supervise crnas..

Its certainly not the worst job, but certainly not the best. Kaiser is it's own world and it works well for some and not for others
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Yep, if you want the highest starting base and don't care to look at total compensation, it's probably less attractive to you. Yes, like any other partnership track, nothing is guaranteed. I agree, not for everyone. You want to stay at least 10 years to get vested in the pension.

thinkorswim said:
I think you're obfuscating a lot of the information about the job.

"A few years" is really a decade and it's not exactly 8.5 weeks of true vacation. You start with 18 vacation days and only get to 28 days after 10 years of service. The 8.5 weeks number you're referring to also includes 5 days for CME and 10 days for sick leave. Not exactly vacation.

As for the compensation, I won't argue with that number since it's certainly possible. But you're not including the number of late nights and in-house overnight calls you need to take each month to trigger the differential multiplier and get to that number. I can tell you that it is more than most private practices.

Finally with regards to the pension, it's only calculated on your base pay and it's not indexed for inflation. As with all pensions, it becomes less valuable each year. A good private practice group that has a cash balance plan is a better alternative.

For those interested, the benefits handbook is readily available online:

As I said above, it's a perfectly fine job for some, just not for me. I seriously considered Kaiser, but decided that at the end of the day, I could do better from both a personal lifestyle and financial perspective at a private practice group across the street.
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1. By year 4 on, that's taking 2-3 overnight calls a month. Is that more than most private practices? You tell me. I think it's pretty reasonable with no trauma/transplant.

2. Our group gets an extra 10 days for edu leave in lieu of "admin" time. So after year 1 you get 3.5 weeks vacation+3 weeks ed. After 4 years, you are at 5.5 weeks vacation + 3 weeks ed leave = 8.5 weeks PTO. Max out year 10 at 9.5 weeks. Again that's before sick leave and holidays. If you read the benefits handbook all the way through, attaining partnership adds 1 week of vacation to those numbers you are citing. My understanding is that the increased educational leave is at some but not all locations. So the place you interviewed is probably in the other category.
 
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kaioukenx said:
450k + 70k (value of pension) + 20k (health/vision/dental for family of 4) + disability + malpractice + bonus gets you pretty close to 600k.




Yep, if you want the highest starting base and don't care to look at total compensation, it's probably less attractive to you. Yes, like any other partnership track, nothing is guaranteed. I agree, not for everyone. You want to stay at least 10 years to get vested in the pension.



1. By year 4 on, that's taking 2-3 overnight calls a month. Is that more than most private practices? You tell me. I think it's pretty reasonable with no trauma/transplant.

2. Our group gets an extra 10 days for edu leave in lieu of "admin" time. So after year 1 you get 3.5 weeks vacation+3 weeks ed. After 4 years, you are at 5.5 weeks vacation + 3 weeks ed leave = 8.5 weeks PTO. Max out year 10 at 9.5 weeks. Again that's before sick leave and holidays. If you read the benefits handbook all the way through, attaining partnership adds 1 week of vacation to those numbers you are citing. My understanding is that the increased educational leave is at some but not all locations. So the place you interviewed is probably in the other category.
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Curious..what happens to the pension when you die?
 
kaioukenx said:
450k + 70k (value of pension) + 20k (health/vision/dental for family of 4) + disability + malpractice + bonus gets you pretty close to 600k.




Yep, if you want the highest starting base and don't care to look at total compensation, it's probably less attractive to you. Yes, like any other partnership track, nothing is guaranteed. I agree, not for everyone. You want to stay at least 10 years to get vested in the pension.



1. By year 4 on, that's taking 2-3 overnight calls a month. Is that more than most private practices? You tell me. I think it's pretty reasonable with no trauma/transplant.

2. Our group gets an extra 10 days for edu leave in lieu of "admin" time. So after year 1 you get 3.5 weeks vacation+3 weeks ed. After 4 years, you are at 5.5 weeks vacation + 3 weeks ed leave = 8.5 weeks PTO. Max out year 10 at 9.5 weeks. Again that's before sick leave and holidays. If you read the benefits handbook all the way through, attaining partnership adds 1 week of vacation to those numbers you are citing. My understanding is that the increased educational leave is at some but not all locations. So the place you interviewed is probably in the other category.
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Would you happen to know if anesthesiologists who work for Kaiser qualify for PSLF as it is a "non-profit"? I've heard cases where physicians are not actually employed but rather contracted by Kaiser and therefore don't qualify.
 
unaccpted said:
Would you happen to know if anesthesiologists who work for Kaiser qualify for PSLF as it is a "non-profit"? I've heard cases where physicians are not actually employed but rather contracted by Kaiser and therefore don't qualify.
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Kaiser docs in California are not employed by Kaiser but by SCPMG or TPMG so I doubt they would qualify.
 
anyone know anything about Anaheim regional medical center? Group called Anesthesia specialists of OC i believe. Thanks
 
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ambiturner said:
Five anesthesia groups blocked from merging in the name of price fixing? How quaint. What would this justice dept think of regional medical centers and AMCs?
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Yeah very quaint. Probably involved 150-200 doctors tops. It was a different time.
 
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