MSTP Boulevard part 01

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HI ORIGINAL,

I'll be going to WashU on March 22nd. I hope to see you guys there.

By the way, did you see how Duke lost to Virginia today? Maybe that's a sign :)

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Did any of you have to pay a fee to hold your position in the class?? (After the second look weekend)
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by academic:
• HI ORIGINAL,

I'll be going to WashU on March 22nd. I hope to see you guys there.

By the way, did you see how Duke lost to Virginia today? Maybe that's a sign :) •••••Hey Academic,

Yeah everyone has been smacking them left and right. First florida state, then Maryland, now Virginia. You might be right! Maybe this is a sign from above :D . I'll miss you at the 2nd look. I'll be at the April 12th one. I'll miss the Dukies at their's too.

JJ4:
I paid $100 to keep my WashU seat. Duke on the other hand has not asked for any deposit yet. I hope they don't.
 
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On MSTP apps, do you list papers as "sumbmitted", even though they may not have already been accepted? I will be applying for the 2002-3 cycle and am certain I will have no actual publications when I begin to apply, although I'm hoping to have 3 or 4 published by the end of the year. Thanx!

-x
 
Congrats on the papers. Definitely list them if you've submitted them already. As you get them published you'll then only need to mention them at your interviews; or you can send them an update, but I don't think that would be necessary. Damn time flies! I feel old already <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" /> I can't believe we're almost through with this process. Good luck with your apps!
 
hello,

has anyone interviewed at Stanford for MSTP? I just got a letter informing me that I have been granted an interview. But I am not sure if it's for MD only or if it's for MSTP. I'll call tomorrow to find out.
 
Congrats on the interview. I think Sonic and Adam have interviewed there.
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by academic:
•hello,

has anyone interviewed at Stanford for MSTP? I just got a letter informing me that I have been granted an interview. But I am not sure if it's for MD only or if it's for MSTP. I'll call tomorrow to find out.•••••Hi,
I believe Marjolie (stanford's mstp coordinator)sends an email if they want to interview u for MSTP. They send a 1 page letter for regular MD interview. Good luck.
 
hey...

last month i got an email for a stanford MSTP interview (going on 3/11) and then a letter in the mail about a regular MD interview a week later. when i called them to clarify, they said that the letter was a mistake and that the MSTP date will suffice for both MSTP and MD.

mapk
 
hey...

i'm attending a conference in san diego next week called "days of molecular medicine" there is a roundtable that discusses MD/PhD programs and the role of physician-scientists. here's the link: <a href="http://imm.ucsd.edu/dmm/" target="_blank">http://imm.ucsd.edu/dmm/</a>

anyone else happen to be going?

mapk

ps. i think our thread has lost some momentum =(. i haven't been posting consistently but i'm going to try to make up for it!
 
wow, that thing sounds kinda interesting. wish i was flying back out to la jolla :) it's so beautiful there!

i'm wondering if everyone is pretty much decided on where they're going to end up?

just curious :)

-s
 
What did you MSTP people do to tackle MCAT verbal??
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by sar520:

i'm wondering if everyone is pretty much decided on where they're going to end up?

just curious :)

-s•••••sarah...

i wish! i'm still waiting and probably won't know until early april.

mapk
 
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•••quote:•••Originally posted by BigRedStress:
•What did you MSTP people do to tackle MCAT verbal??•••••bigred...

yeah, i got really used to taking my time and carefully reading journal articles or science texts. so my problem with the verbal section was the time. i practiced by reading (as fast as i could) articles/stories in the new yorker, atlantic monthly, etc.

mapk
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by MAPKinkster:
•hey...

i'm attending a conference in san diego next week called "days of molecular medicine" there is a roundtable that discusses MD/PhD programs and the role of physician-scientists. here's the link: <a href="http://imm.ucsd.edu/dmm/" target="_blank">http://imm.ucsd.edu/dmm/</a>

anyone else happen to be going?
•••••That conference sounds cool. Some of the big head honchos will in attendance, so I'm sure it wouldn't be a bad idea to rub elbows with the folks there. :D
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by sar520:

i'm wondering if everyone is pretty much decided on where they're going to end up?
just curious :)
-s•••••sar520,

I'm pretty set on Duke; but it's a bit short of 100% certainty, and that's why I'll go to WashU's 2nd look. That, plus the food is goooood!!! :wink: Hey you should come to Duke too. It'd be great having you as a classmate. Are you going to their 2nd look?...I'd love to go, but it ain't happening for me. Oh well.
 
i'm pretty sold on duke too. i'm almost sure that they are my first choice but penn is still a possibility, if they take me. that whole philadelphia connection. if i have to make that decision, it's going to be a hard one!

-s
 
sar520,
Sounds cool! Penn is great. I'm pretty confident you'll get in there as well. In anycase, just remember that you can't get grits in philadelphia :D . Hey don't ask me; I'm just passing the information <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" />

WashUees,
Who'll be at the April 12th 2nd look?
 
Hey Original and Sar520,

I'm going to be at the WashU April 12 revisit date...

MAPK, are you going to be at Cornell's on April 5-6? I'm gonna be there, and I'm going to do Hopkins at my convenience.

p.s. I'm 99% certain that I'll go to Hopkins.

Sonic
 
Hey MAPK -

I'm curious... How do you get to go on all these conferences? Do you ask for the money from your PI? Or do you pay your way using your own funds? How does it work?

Sonic
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by SonicHedgehog:

I'm going to be at the WashU April 12 revisit date...
•••••Awesome!!! See you there.
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by SonicHedgehog:

MAPK, are you going to be at Cornell's on April 5-6? I'm gonna be there, and I'm going to do Hopkins at my convenience.
•••••sonic:

yup! i'm going to be there that weekend. have you got your schedule fixed? i'm still working out one last lab visit with them. how long are you staying? i'm flying in on thursday nite and leaving sunday noonish.

mapk
 
hey everyone, just recently started checking these posts out and i think i've managed to meet a lot of you along the way...congrats to all of you sounds like you've been doing awesome! To anyone who interviewed at Penn, I recall them saying they would meet Mar. 1st to decide MSTP. Has anyone heard back yet? or will we hear after the MD adcom meets?

Thanks
-N
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by SonicHedgehog:
•Hey MAPK -

I'm curious... How do you get to go on all these conferences? Do you ask for the money from your PI? Or do you pay your way using your own funds? How does it work?

Sonic•••••sonic:

i received a research fellowship (beckman scholars program) that gives a stipend for conferences or lab supplies. i have to use it or it gets returned, and since i'm interested in the type of research at this conference...why not? at first i wanted to buy a gamecube but the program wouldn't okay it.

mapk
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by MAPKinkster:
• at first i wanted to buy a gamecube but the program wouldn't okay it.
mapk•••••lol... It was probably cause they had some beef with nintendo. I think you should have written up a grant proposal for the X-Box instead :D . Have fun at the conference. San Diego is definitely on its own -A paradise in its own right.
 
Hey, Original.

You are an international student right?
Hey, Original.
I tried to PM you but your PM capacity is full.
Anyways..

Which country you are from?
What undergrad did you go to?

Congratulations on your success this year !

You must have had a solid research background.
Would you mind sharing what kind of research experiences you had?

Thank you.

You can PM me if you want. Thanks.
 
Thanks for the compliments, however, I think you'll be better off talking to Sonic who has been absolutely flawless through this process. He is also an international student. BTW thanks for announcing to the world that my PM cycle is around the corner :D I'll send you a PM.
 
Hey all, I'm not sure if the question has been asked on this thread or not, but can you apply both to PhD and MD/PhD at one school? Also, when you apply MD/PhD do you pick a department or is that open? Just considering my options, thanks for any replies.
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by CoffeeCat:
•Hey all, I'm not sure if the question has been asked on this thread or not, but can you apply both to PhD and MD/PhD at one school? Also, when you apply MD/PhD do you pick a department or is that open? Just considering my options, thanks for any replies.•••••Hi CoffeeCat,

I've never heard of anyone applying separately to MD/PhD programs and to PhD programs. As far as I know, it's not allowed. So, are you not sure whether you want to apply for the MD/PhD or just the PhD?

At every school I applied/interviewed, you do not pick a particular PhD program. Most schools have moved to an interdisciplinary curriculum for first year grad students (3rd year MSTP students). You take a few core courses, then decide on a department or program based on what type of research you want to do, or based on the affiliation of a particular faculty member with whom you want to work.

I can give you more details on specific schools I'm considering if you'd like.
 
Thanks for the info, RNAgirl. It's not that I haven't decided...MD/PhD is my ultimate goal (and I'd go into research) but I'm sure that I have a much better chance at PhD programs than MD/PhD and I'm pretty sure that if the PhD program wants you and the MD doesn't then you just don't get accepted, right? I just want to maximize my chance of acceptance, that's all. Any advice?

Also, which schools are the best for pharmacology or neuroscience? I'm not sure how to interpret the US News & World Report rankings.
 
Hi CoffeeCat,

I was in the same position as you last year. I knew I wanted to pursue the MD-PhD, but I thought I was a much stronger candidate for a PhD program.

When you apply to an MD-PhD program, you usually fill out two applications (1) regular MD application, and (2) MD-PhD application. At some places, these two applications are sent to the same address, and at others, to separate addresses.

Your application is reviewed by an MD admissions committee, and an MD-PhD admissions committe (not a PhD committee). Usually, the MD-PhD committee decides first whether to interview you, and if they invite you to interview, you automatically get an MD interview.

The same thing goes for interviews as well. You will be interviewed and considered for acceptance by an MD-PhD committee separately from the MD committee. In my experience, if the MD-PhD committee decides to admit you, you're in. I guess there are some cases in which the MD-PhD committee wants to accept an applicant, but the MD committee is uncertain about them. In that situation, the MD-PhD committee, or the director, lobbies for you. Take Northwestern, for example. The director told us that if there is a discrepancy in the MD-PhD and MD committee decisions, that they [the MD-PhD committee] will "fight like hell" for you.

So, what does this all mean for someone who is seemingly a "better" applicant for a PhD program? In my opinion, and experience, the people who have the most power (MD-PhD program director and committee members) over the decision to interview you and admit you, are looking most closely at your research experiences and letters of reference from research mentors.

I hope this helps rather than confusing you even more!
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by Original:
•I think you should have written up a grant proposal for the X-Box instead :D •••••original...

x-box? hmm...not a bad idea. if a playstation can supposedly design weapons, then...

mapk
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by CoffeeCat:
•Also, which schools are the best for pharmacology or neuroscience? I'm not sure how to interpret the US News & World Report rankings.•••••coffee...

i'm not sure anyone really knows how to interpret the usnews rankings. for the PhD programs, the surveys are out-of-date (based on 1999). then if you look at the medical school rankings (and probably the other professional programs too), the fine print seems to change every year. either the editors really like to experiment with the selection criteria, or maybe the formula changes to fit a pre-determined outcome.

mapk
 
Hey everyone! I was just curious...for these "second look" visits do we just wear regular attire?? Or do we have to pull out the interview gear once again. I know this is such a naive question but I was just curious. I didn't want to come in "lab clothing" (well maybe not quite that) and look like and idiot :D
 
Thanks again for the replies - I personally would rank PhD programs on the basis of the breadth of research, funding, number of years on average spent earning a PhD, and the quality of the faculty but who am I to rank schools?! Thanks for all of the replies - I'll figure this out someday :)
 
CoffeeCat and others,

You might be interested in this website. It was developed by a friend of one of my research mentors. It allows you to rank PhD programs based on the factors that are most important to you, such as time to complete the degree, funding, faculty publications and citations, etc.

<a href="http://www2.phds.org/rankings/" target="_blank">http://www2.phds.org/rankings/</a>
 
to those who interviewed at UCLA MSTP:

I heard that the mstp students there took out the applicants to show around the city during the evenings. Where did they take you in LA??
 
Wow that website was helpful. However are we serious about the average number of years it takes to earn a PhD? I'm seeing the number "7" all over the place and somehow that's not a very comforable number. How do you MD/PhDers feel about this?
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by JJ4:
•Hey everyone! I was just curious...for these "second look" visits do we just wear regular attire?? Or do we have to pull out the interview gear once again. I know this is such a naive question but I was just curious. I didn't want to come in "lab clothing" (well maybe not quite that) and look like and idiot :D •••••Definitely not interview clothing. Everyday jeans and T-shirt will be fine. At most a dress shirt and a tie. But I would think even the shirt & tie already borders on the overdressed.
 
Hey, that web site is pretty cool. I tried it and UCSF was ranked #2--so I guess I must have made the right choice after all. :wink:
 
CoffeeCat,

I dont know about pharmacology, but I know WashU's program in neuroscience is very outstanding, one of the best (definitely within the top 5) in the country.
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by CoffeeCat:
•Wow that website was helpful. However are we serious about the average number of years it takes to earn a PhD? I'm seeing the number "7" all over the place and somehow that's not a very comforable number. How do you MD/PhDers feel about this?•••••From the schools I've been to, I'd say the avg is closer to 8 than it is to 7. Of course some people finish in 7 and a few geniuses even finish in 6, but overall, across the 10+ MSTP schools I've looked at, the avg is closer to 8 years.
 
Excellent neuroscience graduate programs...
Harvard, Hopkins, UCSF, Stanford, Yale, UCSD, WashU, Columbia, Duke, etc. But there are also many other schools that have good programs.

The best thing to do is to look for the faculty at each place and their lab's publication record. Do they publish frequently and in high-quality journals? Another important factor is size of the labs. Some schools have empire-sized labs, while others have smaller, more intimate research environments. More factors: Do labs collaborate or is there an atmosphere of competition? Are the graduate students happy? Are the labs there good places for trainig or are they postdoc publication factories? These are just some of the questions you'll ask yourself when looking at different programs. Hope this is helpful. :D
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by CoffeeCat:
•Hey all, I'm not sure if the question has been asked on this thread or not, but can you apply both to PhD and MD/PhD at one school? Also, when you apply MD/PhD do you pick a department or is that open? Just considering my options, thanks for any replies.•••••Yes, I did do this. But my Ph.D. programs were in engineering so this may have made a difference. However, it is not necessarily easy to enter a MD program even if you've gotten in the Ph.D. program, especially MSTP. You may be able to pull off a MD/Ph.D. and find funding yourself. Though I have heard of it being done before.
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by MacGyver:
• •••quote:•••Originally posted by CoffeeCat:
•Wow that website was helpful. However are we serious about the average number of years it takes to earn a PhD? I'm seeing the number "7" all over the place and somehow that's not a very comforable number. How do you MD/PhDers feel about this?•••••From the schools I've been to, I'd say the avg is closer to 8 than it is to 7. Of course some people finish in 7 and a few geniuses even finish in 6, but overall, across the 10+ MSTP schools I've looked at, the avg is closer to 8 years.•••••Sorry, I was talking about PhD programs alone. MD/PhD would be 11 if a PhD alone took 7 years!! THen there's a postdoc or residency!! Anyone have a graduate quickly plan?
 
maybe some of you can answer this Q:

Between "JBC" and "Diabetes", which journal replies quicker after submission?

Diabetes has a higher impact factor #, but I think JBC is more highly regarded among scientists. Would all of you agree? (Although, IMHO I think JBC papers quality has gone down a bit recently... )
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by chef:
•to those who interviewed at UCLA MSTP:

I heard that the mstp students there took out the applicants to show around the city during the evenings. Where did they take you in LA??•••••They take you to some pretty nice places, which makes up a little for having to pay for all the travel costs yourself. When I was there, they took us to lunch at a pretty trendy Italian/seafood place close to the school called Palomino (very LA). For dinner they drove us to Santa Monica to another trendy spot- Mexican this time- right by the Promenade. You eat only with the students so it's all very relaxed. I say enjoy it as much as you can, there were people at lunch ordering martinis and stuff (maybe to relax for the next round of interviews). Afterward none of the students really wanted to do anything more, and I think most of the applicants were pretty tired anyway. But the food is great.
 
So now that I received an official phone call, I feel comfortable saying that I have been accepted to Duke's MSTP. I actually found out last week from Pat, but wanted to wait till it was "official". Needless to say I am extremely excited. My decision becomes so much harder now that I have a few choices. If anyone has questions, PM me.

BME02
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by chef:

Between "JBC" and "Diabetes", which journal replies quicker after submission?

Diabetes has a higher impact factor #, but I think JBC is more highly regarded among scientists. Would all of you agree? (Although, IMHO I think JBC papers quality has gone down a bit recently... )•••••Both are very respectable journals, with Diabetes obviously being more clinically-oriented and JBC geared torward basic scientists. If you're considering submitting a paper, I would say that it would be best to try to publish in the journal that is most relevant to your research. In other words, which audience would be most interested in your work (i.e. basic scientists or clinicians)? If it could go either way, then I'd start with the journal with the highest impact factor. If rejected, you could always submit to the other. At any rate, I would talk with my PI about it.
 
this is a very lively discussion. allow me to bring it up to 801 posts!!

PS. i'm surprised you guys have THIS much to talk about.
 
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