MSTP Boulevard part 01

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•••quote:•••Originally posted by RetroMan:
•Chef:

I know that they will have one on March 11 for Stanford MSTP. Lamentably I called yesterday and Marjorie told me that they finished sending interview invites for the MSTP. :(
Retro•••••:p :( :( :( :( :( :p

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Hey Adam,
I got an invite to Northwestern MSTP. I found out from their website. Check it. The invite was mailed out on 13 Feb. I don't think I can make it out there. Even if I do, I'll seem like a total idiot. I don't remember what my research is about :confused: My last interview was before Christmas for HST. I don't think I even have time to go; since I'll be away during the 1st week of April anyhow.

amp, RNAgirl,
Does NW pay for all expenses?
 
Oops error! I'm certainly not going. The website says I am applying for the MD program. I guess that's the MSTP boot. Sorry for the confusion.
 
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My status check says the same thing as you, original. It might be a computer bug.

Either way, I'm not going unless they pay for the trip. I think someone else said on this thread somewhere that Northwestern does NOT pay for expenses, so I guess that decides it.
 
Guys,

NUMS doesn't pay for airfare, but they do pay for hotels and meals. So, it's only travel expenses. I guess there's also a fully paid second trip out if you get accepted. BTW, my status page says that I'm an MSTP applicant but doesn't reflect the fact that I've gotten an interview request. Odd, huh?

Later,

Adam
 
Hi guys,

Does any of you know whether any of these MD/PhD programs are still interviewing? I haven't heard from them yet.

Baylor
Emory
Mt Sinai
Northwestern
Penn State
Tufts
UNC
UPENN
USC

Congrads to those with acceptances!
 
I think UPenn is over - I interviewed on Jan 24-25 - and they had two more interview dates and I believe they were on consecutive thurs-fridays.
But I might be wrong.
Good luck on everything!
 
I think Northwestern may still be interviewing. I only got my invite a couple weeks ago, and I haven't gone yet. They said they were going to have at least one more interview date.

Good luck,

Adam
 
Hey guys, I have an important question that some of you may be able to answer regarding financial issues.

In particular, I am a bit concerned whether I'll be able to live off the stipend alone(if I get married, etc). I am clueless about the types of additional funding resources available (I even don't know what FAFSA stands for or how it is run!). It'd be great if people share their ideas of how you're planning to live during the next 7-8 yrs.

My main q's are:
1. Can we apply for additional grants, fellowships, etc to supplement our stipend? (or does it matter if we win $100,000 grant b/c NIH will only pay my stipend no matter what my grant money is )

2. Are there merit based scholarships available to MSTPs?

3. If I were to take a loan for living expenses, what are my options? What's the max I can loan out? Can someone provide some details?

That's it for now. Thanks for help!
 
Chef:

If your wife works as well, then you guys can definitely manage financially; but if she's in school full-time and not working (which from another thread I think might be the case with you) then it will probably be difficult. WashU MSTP has this little book that talks about stuff like that to some extent. Otherwise ask current MSTP students how their married classmates cope. I think it's very doable but I don't know exactly how. Good luck.
 
chef,

I have also thought about some of those issues. My wife will be working full time, so once she gets a job in whatever city we move to we should be doing great financially.

Until she finds a job, however, its going to be very tight financially.

I know that the NIH DOES give out merit based scholarships, but the only ones I'm aware of are for minorities.

You could try getting some loans, I know that at Yale they specifically advise you to try to get loans becauuse the living stipend at Yale (believe its around 16k) may not be enough for New Haven.

Your best bet would probably be for a loan or a small scholarship from somewhere other than the NIH. Most of the NIH awards are pretty big (similar to MSTP size) so I doubt they would give you an MSTP grant and THEN on top of that give you another merit scholarship which comes close to the amount of the MSTP. Perhaps they do have some smaller schoarships you can apply for that I'm not aware of.

Of course, for public loans using the FAFSA, they might not give you very much money, since I think they will require you to divulge that you have been awarded an MSTP grant and they will calculate that against you in your financial need profile. So you might have to go to a private bank and get a loan at a somewhat higher interest rate.

For some locations, I think living within the MSTP stipend is entirely possible. At WashU for example, I think you can easily find apartments for only 500-600 a month. WashU is going to have a $20,500 living stipend starting this year, so that should be good enough to cover it. At other schools, however, perhaps like UCSF, the cost of living makes it very tough to live within the stipend. My point is that location matters a lot.
 
Definitely consider Iowa! Even lower cost of living than WashU and has the full MSTP grant, plus some additional funding.
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by none:
•Definitely consider Iowa! Even lower cost of living than WashU and has the full MSTP grant, plus some additional funding.•••••Hey none, what did you think of Iowa? I was very impressed by their program.

Adam
 
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hi-

does anyone know if mt. sinai is still interviewing mstp candidates? thanks!
 
Puja19:

I'm not sure what the deal is as all schools are having weird interview schedules. When I was at Sinai back in January they said they'd have one or two more interview days and should be down by the mid-Feb. But I dunno if that still holds.

DID ANYONE GET A LETTER FROM HARVARD'S MD/PHD OFFICE SAYING THAT YOUR APPLICATION WILL BE CONSIDERED IN THE COMING MONTH AND YOU WILL BE NOTIFIED IF AN INTERVIEW IS INDICATED??? I THOUGHT THEY STOPPED ON FEB.22nd. THE LETTER WAS DATED FEB. 14th.
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by JJ4:
•DID ANYONE GET A LETTER FROM HARVARD'S MD/PHD OFFICE SAYING THAT YOUR APPLICATION WILL BE CONSIDERED IN THE COMING MONTH AND YOU WILL BE NOTIFIED IF AN INTERVIEW IS INDICATED??? I THOUGHT THEY STOPPED ON FEB.22nd. THE LETTER WAS DATED FEB. 14th.•••••I got one about a month ago. Of course, I haven't heard anything from them. Who knows what's up with them. Who really cares, anyhow? I applied there because I thought it'd be fun to say no to an interview at Harvard. But, I guess my plan backfired :wink:

Good luck,

Adam
 
I just wanted to post here :) I guess I can say Bumpity bumpidy doo doo dah!
 
Hey, I'm livin great on the stipend that UCSF gives me ($21k). It will get bumped up further in the graduate years (going rate ~$23k). How far any stipend goes will greatly depend on your particular lifestyle (i.e. eating out every night versus home-cooked meals). At most places (yes, even UCSF!), the stipend should be enough to live comfortably. The difficult thing is that you're really not supposed to have any additional sources of income (i.e. odd jobs). The idea is that you're there primarily to learn, not to rake in the dough. Unless you get audited, getting an occasional job (i.e. teaching Kaplan, TPR, Berkeley review, etc) shouldn't be a problem. :wink:
 
Hi Vader and others,
Are we expected to pay taxes on our stipend? I've heard very mixed things on interviews.
Thanks
 
I believe taxes do need to be paid. I know I've had to pay them on my research stipends in the past. The real question is...does it matter? $20,000 isn't a whole lot to tax.
 
I believe taxes do need to be paid. I know I've had to pay them on my research stipends in the past.
 
Vader,

I thought living in San Francisco was incredibly expensive. How much is the average apartment in that area?
 
Interesting. After all this time, UC Irvine has finally decided to offer me an MSTP interview. It looks like they're in the begining of their interview season as well, since they have at least three more interview dates (3/7, 3/21 and 4/4 for anyone interested). I still haven't decided whether or not I'll go. It is a six hour drive for me, so that's not too bad.

Oh well...things could definitely be worse :)

Adam
 
arrowsmith,
The MSTPs are notoriously silent or give mixed signals on the issue of taxes. Technically, you are supposed to pay taxes on the stipend because it is considered taxable income. You'll likely be in the lowest income bracket though, so it isn't a huge hit (though it is a couple of grand per year). The problem is that they don't withhold anything, so you are on your own in terms of budgeting properly and paying on time. I know of some people who have been audited by the IRS and have had to pay fines. In the long run, it probably isn't worth trying to save a couple of grand each year (though what poor student couldn't use the extra cash?). Hope this helps clear things up. :D
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by MacGyver:
•Vader,

I thought living in San Francisco was incredibly expensive. How much is the average apartment in that area?•••••You can get a nice two-bedroom apt for between $1600 and $2000 per month. A one-bedroom probably in the $1000-1500 range, depending on where you go. You should check for more recent prices (I haven't looked for a while) on sfgate.com or another web site. Yes, it's expensive, but then again you get what you pay for--living in a beautiful city near Golden Gate Park, Presidio, Ocean Beach, etc. :D
 
For those of you who've interviewed at Northwestern, USC, Mt. Sinai, or Penn State, do you know if they have stopped interviewing? How did you receive your interview invitation? Thanks
 
Sinai -- email notification.
I would try calling their office they're pretty cool about that.
 
To my fellow mudphuds:

Does the research that you do in any way impact on your residency/post-doc options? Of course my goal in the PhD is to learn a lot in terms of experimental design, techniques, and publish. For instance, I know that for the PhD-only people their PhD thesis is usually not a reflection of their post-doc, whereas their post-doc is indeed a reflection on their final focus.

How do MD/PhDs figure into this?? For instance, sometimes it's more likely to learn great technique and experimentation in a cell/cycle lab or a sig/trans lab as opposed to a group that studies anatomical changes following injury or something like that. My logic may be completely wrong but I was just curious what you all thought. My research in the past primarily concentrated on cellular and molecular biology in the CNS. But I was thinking about doing my training in something like immunology for the sake of expanding my horizons and applications base. But I think I would like to come back to the neurosciences after graduation.
 
Although I was just in a phd program...we had to technically pay taxes but with the lifetime learning credit you get them all back so it works out basically you file taxes but don't pay any (stipend that was $18,000)
 
Hey sonic and others,

Do you know when Hopkins stops interviewing for MSTP and/or when all funding decisions are made?

I guess I'm going to write them a letter explaining that I'm going to withdraw my acceptance unless they give me full funding.

Do you think I should write this letter now? or wait until after Penn/Yale/Harvard send out acceptances so that perhaps some people with full funding will drop Hopkins for one of those places?

I think I'm going to tell them to either give me funding by the first of April, or I'm withdrawing. I'd like to wait around, but I really need to make a decision because I want to start in a lab during the summer. Of course I will write it in a nice and professional way, emphasizing that Hopkins is my top choice and I really want to go there. Do you think this would hurt my chances for funding or what?
 
Is this thread the longest one in SDN history yet or what?

If not, how many more posts does it need?

Just curious
 
Hey JJ4:

I've thought about this question you've posed concerning the focus of one's PhD thesis vs. postdoc training, and how it plays into what becomes someone's ultimate niche.

I think I'm just going to find a lab/PI where I get along with everyone, the research is very interesting (even if it is not what I can see myself ultimately doing), and the lab is successful. I also agree that learning how to conduct research is the primary goal of a PhD and not necessarily serving as a "springboard" into that particular field.
I think there are too many factors that can happen in the next 8?9?10? years that can affect what one wants to pursue (type of research, specialty). Also, my breadth of knowledge is very limited right now as an undergrad. I'm sure I'll realize sometime during my PhD what I ultimately want to do (especially after being exposed to medical school). So, I'm looking forward trying out different labs during rotations (like neuro or immuno) to branch out.

MapK

P.S. On another note...anyone else getting jealous of friends who are applying to PhD programs? They get everything paid for at every school, spend 3-4 days at each program, and find out quickily after the interview! Waiting sucks...
 
oh, my, god, this morning i found out i got into duke mstp!!!!!!!!!!!! not because they sent letters out, but because after emailing pat last night to ask when we could expect to hear, she emailed back saying that i was supposed to be notified in JANUARY. ok, i am absolutely in shock.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

original, we might be classmates :) !

-s
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by sar520:
•oh, my, god, this morning i found out i got into duke mstp!!!!!!!!!!!! not because they sent letters out, but because after emailing pat last night to ask when we could expect to hear, she emailed back saying that i was supposed to be notified in JANUARY. ok, i am absolutely in shock.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

original, we might be classmates :) !

-s•••••Told ya! I can see these things.
 
Hey sar520! congrats! I'll try my best to recruit you to Duke. I've actually already began my recruitment efforts. I put a smiley face next to your name on the acceptances thread. I hope you don't mind; if you do, feel free to remove it :D
 
i don't mind whatsoever :) even though i feel like i should see what happens with penn as well. i am absolutely thrilled though! ahh! pat called me today with lots of apologies, because apparently i was supposed to have gotten the email she sent me today in january!

i keep thinking, if i had gotten that email, i wouldn't have gone to the emory interview, and i wouldn't have driven to the airport on feb 13 and crashed my brandnew car causing $4500 worth of damage. but you know what? all's well that ends well. i'm happy!

-s
 
That's funny! Pat told me earlier this month that 3 people including myself had been notified of MSTP acceptances. I guess that was me, you, and someone else. Sorry about the car. Definitely forget Penn. I'd choose Duke over Penn anyday of the week :wink: <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" /> I need to work on my PR skills.
 
yeah she said 3 to me, too!

my arguments towards penn mostly include the fact that i'm FROM philly (and like it) and it would make my family happy, and that it is more of a city, and that neuroscience and the med school (i think) is as strong there as at duke.

but either is FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINE by me!

=D

s
 
to those who have attended second visit weekends/events:

Were you ever pressured at these events to attend that school? If you were not sure about attending that school (maybe b/c you are still waiting to hear from your favorite), is it still a good idea to attend these second visits? Are these totally stress-free, wine-and-dine events?
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by chef:
•to those who have attended second visit weekends/events:

Were you ever pressured at these events to attend that school? If you were not sure about attending that school (maybe b/c you are still waiting to hear from your favorite), is it still a good idea to attend these second visits? Are these totally stress-free, wine-and-dine events?•••••I was wandering about the exact same thing. I think it's best to be up-front and let them know what the likelyhood of your matriculating there is. Just tell them "hey, I appreciate your recruitment efforts and all, but I'm just here for the food". But then they might beat you up or poison your food. It's tough! Good luck.
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by doraemon:
•For those of you who've interviewed at Northwestern, USC, Mt. Sinai, or Penn State, do you know if they have stopped interviewing? How did you receive your interview invitation? Thanks•••••I will be interviewing at Northwestern in two weeks. I think it's the final interview date for MSTP. They invited me via email.

Good luck,

Adam
 
Has anybody here thought about trying to buy a house?

I think it would work out better for MD/PhD than for regular MD since we'll be locked in for at least 8 years instead of 4.

My wife and I might look into it after she gets a job at our new location. But I still have undergrad loans to pay off (about 20k) so that might rule me out for a mortgage.
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by JJ4:
•To my fellow mudphuds:

Does the research that you do in any way impact on your residency/post-doc options?
•••••I don't really think so. It may have some effect...as you may become very interested in whatever field you do your PhD in and decide to stay within it. But, I think it'll always be up to you to decide what you want to do later. I think the best idea is to just pick a lab based upon the quality of hte projects and environment. It'd be horrible to spend 3-5 years in a lab where you hated it, even if it was a field you think you might want to work in later.

That's just my opinion though.

Good luck,

Adam
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by JJ4:
•To my fellow mudphuds:

Does the research that you do in any way impact on your residency/post-doc options? •••••What you suggest JJ4, is a totally reasonable approach. I think you'll get a sense of what lab you would like to work in based on your laboratory rotations. You may decide to rotate through a particular lab to learn techniques that you could bring into a different lab to tackle a question of interest in a novel way. I think the others gave good advice in choosing a lab--look for an environment where you'll fit, and a PI with whom you can interact and develop a good relationship. The particular field in which you do your thesis work is less important than the quality of the work and your ability to conduct independent research. The downside to doing a thesis in a field outside your main area of interest:
1) After a few years you may have found it difficult to keep up with the research simultaneously in two different fields.
2) You may not make the same professional connections/collaborations, nor have interactions with as many people in the field of your main interest
3) Your insight into the important questions in your main field may be limited by delving into a different one.
4) If you have research in your field to bring to the table during residency interviews, this could be advantageous. If you had done research in another field, then it would not necessarily be directly applicable.
5) You may find that you wish to carry projects from your thesis lab into postdoctoral fellowship or even in your own lab later on.
6) The thesis research you do may influence which medical specialty you apply for (if you go that route). It may be easier to combine research and clinical medicine in certain fields as compared to others.

For these reasons and others, I think it is best to decide early on what you are interested in. You will have time during your first two years to test the waters. Try to find a question that excites you and develop methods for answering it in a lab which will facilitate that goal. A good PI will guide you in developing your own goals and should be flexible enough to let you explore your interests. While this approach as a student requires a certain degree of independence, I think it is probably the best way to ensure that you'll become an independent investigator and make it through the program in a reasonable number of years. :D
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by chef:
•to those who have attended second visit weekends/events:

Were you ever pressured at these events to attend that school? If you were not sure about attending that school (maybe b/c you are still waiting to hear from your favorite), is it still a good idea to attend these second visits? Are these totally stress-free, wine-and-dine events?•••••Not quite pressured, but definitely asked about where things were at in terms of my decisions. The weekends are a great chance to get to meet future classmates, get fed well, see the school and facilities again, and to meet with any faculty you didn't get to during interviews. The best part is that it's ALL EXPENSES PAID!! :D
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by chef:
•to those who have attended second visit weekends/events:

Were you ever pressured at these events to attend that school? If you were not sure about attending that school (maybe b/c you are still waiting to hear from your favorite), is it still a good idea to attend these second visits? Are these totally stress-free, wine-and-dine events?•••••I agree with Vader. I went to 3 revisits, and the only pressure I got was in the form of "how strongly are you considering us?" kind of questions. I recommend going to them; as most top programs are choosing amongst the same group of students, I met a lot of my future classmates on several different revisits. I even met some people who went to the same 3 revisits as me, and became roommates with one of them! So enjoy the wine and dine experience while you can!
 
Hrm. I just got my first MSTP rejection, without interview, from University of Chicago, Pritzker. I'll never understand this process. But, I guess it's that time of year...when either the rejections or acceptances start pouring in :)

Good luck all,

Adam
 
Adam,
Sorry about the rejection. Most schools are random in the selection process, but I think UChicago certainly takes the randomness to another level. The fact that you got interviewed by almost every school you applied to highlights this randomness even more. Oh well.

Baylor21, Sonic, academic, ?, ?:
Which of the WashU 2nd looks are you guys planning to attend?
 
So I just decided to decline NYU so now it's down to Sinai and Mayo. I will be going to second look at both. By when do we have to make a final decision??
 
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