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MSTP Boulevard part 01
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•••quote:•••Originally posted by chgpwd:
•Hi, I'm new. I've been accepted at U Chicago, Penn, Case, and NYU. I'm still waiting on Yale and Stanford. Any comments/suggestions would be greatly appreciated.•••••Welcome and congrats chgpwd! I'll go with UPenn. I totally loved U Chicago. I think I loved it almost as much as I loved (love <img border="0" alt="[Lovey]" title="" src="graemlins/lovey.gif" /> ) Duke. The only reason why Duke is such a no brainer for me is the noticeable discrepancy in reputation. UChicago has a great reputation without a doubt, but Duke might be more well-known in some research areas I'm interested in. By the same reasoning, I'd go with Penn if I were you. Unfortunately rep does matter. I don't know much about Case and NYU except that they are great schools as well. Good luck with your tough choices; and good luck with Stanford and Yale as well.
•Hi, I'm new. I've been accepted at U Chicago, Penn, Case, and NYU. I'm still waiting on Yale and Stanford. Any comments/suggestions would be greatly appreciated.•••••Welcome and congrats chgpwd! I'll go with UPenn. I totally loved U Chicago. I think I loved it almost as much as I loved (love <img border="0" alt="[Lovey]" title="" src="graemlins/lovey.gif" /> ) Duke. The only reason why Duke is such a no brainer for me is the noticeable discrepancy in reputation. UChicago has a great reputation without a doubt, but Duke might be more well-known in some research areas I'm interested in. By the same reasoning, I'd go with Penn if I were you. Unfortunately rep does matter. I don't know much about Case and NYU except that they are great schools as well. Good luck with your tough choices; and good luck with Stanford and Yale as well.
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Hello All,
I'm new to SDN, kind of funny that I found this forum just as the whole application/interview time is wrapping up. I just wanted to say that I have been reading this thread for about the last half hour (while I should be thinking about writing my thesis) and congrats to everybody
for making it through this long process, as it seems in such good spirits.
For me I go into a couple of schools, and am going to jump on the bandwagon and say that I am pretty much on the verge of deciding to go to UMich. Is anybody going up their for a second visit? I was thinking about driving up there in the last week of March or first week in April, but I am wondering if it is even worth it. Anybody have any comments on this?
Well, things are finnally almost over! Now all there is left to do for me is to play outside, listen to Phish, and dream of skiing in the Swiss Alps.
Tchus!
I'm new to SDN, kind of funny that I found this forum just as the whole application/interview time is wrapping up. I just wanted to say that I have been reading this thread for about the last half hour (while I should be thinking about writing my thesis) and congrats to everybody
for making it through this long process, as it seems in such good spirits. For me I go into a couple of schools, and am going to jump on the bandwagon and say that I am pretty much on the verge of deciding to go to UMich. Is anybody going up their for a second visit? I was thinking about driving up there in the last week of March or first week in April, but I am wondering if it is even worth it. Anybody have any comments on this?
Well, things are finnally almost over! Now all there is left to do for me is to play outside, listen to Phish, and dream of skiing in the Swiss Alps.
Tchus!
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Hi Chwg --
I also got into NYU's MSTP. I'd say the other schools on your list are BY FAR better than NYU. I just didn't feel that NYU's MSTP was that strong. I know NIH reduced their program size this year do to the increased stipend (however Sinai too got that stipend increase) and GOT two more slots -- which shows there is a track record issue to be dealt with. I agree with Original in saying that Penn has a solid program among those you listed. Tough choice however...congratulations and good luck!
Hey folks ---
if you would all skip back a page I had asked a question in regards to my situation. I was wondering what you all thought -- please tell me what you think thanks.
I also got into NYU's MSTP. I'd say the other schools on your list are BY FAR better than NYU. I just didn't feel that NYU's MSTP was that strong. I know NIH reduced their program size this year do to the increased stipend (however Sinai too got that stipend increase) and GOT two more slots -- which shows there is a track record issue to be dealt with. I agree with Original in saying that Penn has a solid program among those you listed. Tough choice however...congratulations and good luck!
Hey folks ---
if you would all skip back a page I had asked a question in regards to my situation. I was wondering what you all thought -- please tell me what you think thanks.
Hey everyone-
I also just found out about this site. I've been accepted to the MSTP at Wash U, UCLA, UCSD, and Penn and I'm still waiting to hear from UCSF and Stanford...I think that I would like to attend either UCSD, UCSF, or Stanford. If anyone has any insight on any of these programs I'd love to hear it...thanks. Good luck to everyone still waiting on schools.
I also just found out about this site. I've been accepted to the MSTP at Wash U, UCLA, UCSD, and Penn and I'm still waiting to hear from UCSF and Stanford...I think that I would like to attend either UCSD, UCSF, or Stanford. If anyone has any insight on any of these programs I'd love to hear it...thanks. Good luck to everyone still waiting on schools.
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Welcome vmn2,
Congrats on all your acceptances. Those are all really good schools. Personally, I think that WashU has a great MD/PhD program. One of my mentors who is a physician scientist at UCSF highly recommended WashU's program. He said that even if I get into Harvard, I should still go to WashU. So, I am going to St. Louis on Thurs. for a second visit.
I also got into UCSD and I really liked the environment of that school. I will probably go for a second visit in April.
You mentioned that you got into UCLA's MD/PhD program, but from what I got out of your post, you are not considering UCLA. May I ask why? Did you not like their program?
Lastly, I think UCSF has a good MD/PhD program as well. So if you get it and if you're from CA, you should go there.
I hope this helped. You got into so many GREAT school, that no matter where you go, I don't think you can go wrong. Once again, congrats!
Congrats on all your acceptances. Those are all really good schools. Personally, I think that WashU has a great MD/PhD program. One of my mentors who is a physician scientist at UCSF highly recommended WashU's program. He said that even if I get into Harvard, I should still go to WashU. So, I am going to St. Louis on Thurs. for a second visit.
I also got into UCSD and I really liked the environment of that school. I will probably go for a second visit in April.
You mentioned that you got into UCLA's MD/PhD program, but from what I got out of your post, you are not considering UCLA. May I ask why? Did you not like their program?
Lastly, I think UCSF has a good MD/PhD program as well. So if you get it and if you're from CA, you should go there.
I hope this helped. You got into so many GREAT school, that no matter where you go, I don't think you can go wrong. Once again, congrats!
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•••quote:•••Originally posted by JJ4:
•Hey fellas -- how goes it? I was just curious...are there really any real drawbacks to non-MSTP MD/PhD progs? I've been accepted to a few MSTPs (NYU, Sinai and Case) as most of you know and the Mayo MD/PhD. For some reason, I think Mayo has a very strong program compared to some MSTPs that I've visited -- and contrary to some popular opinion the basic science areas are not "shallow" there either. Any thoughts or comments regarding choosing between programs (aside from the usual "go where you will be happy.")??? Well I guess the real question is, am I disadvantaging myself by not going to an MSTP?? I mean I liked the other schools too, but in the event that I was to choose Mayo I was just curious about the general consensus from my trusted colleagues. Thanks!•••••I doubt that there are any significant disadvantages in choosing a non-MSTP MD/PhD program. From the looks of things, you've evaluated all the programs and seem most pleased with what Mayo has to offer. It's a funded combined degree program; and that's all that really counts. The draw-backs to non-MSTP MD/PhD programs mainly center around issues of funding. Since you have that taken care of, things are looking good from here out. IMHO, I think Mayo will be an awesome choice despite it being a non-MSTP MD/PhD program. Good luck with the decision.
•Hey fellas -- how goes it? I was just curious...are there really any real drawbacks to non-MSTP MD/PhD progs? I've been accepted to a few MSTPs (NYU, Sinai and Case) as most of you know and the Mayo MD/PhD. For some reason, I think Mayo has a very strong program compared to some MSTPs that I've visited -- and contrary to some popular opinion the basic science areas are not "shallow" there either. Any thoughts or comments regarding choosing between programs (aside from the usual "go where you will be happy.")??? Well I guess the real question is, am I disadvantaging myself by not going to an MSTP?? I mean I liked the other schools too, but in the event that I was to choose Mayo I was just curious about the general consensus from my trusted colleagues. Thanks!•••••I doubt that there are any significant disadvantages in choosing a non-MSTP MD/PhD program. From the looks of things, you've evaluated all the programs and seem most pleased with what Mayo has to offer. It's a funded combined degree program; and that's all that really counts. The draw-backs to non-MSTP MD/PhD programs mainly center around issues of funding. Since you have that taken care of, things are looking good from here out. IMHO, I think Mayo will be an awesome choice despite it being a non-MSTP MD/PhD program. Good luck with the decision.
academic,
thanks for the quick reply. there were a couple of things that i didn't like about wash u.
1) i agree that the mstp there is run really well, but i don't like the extremely large size of the program. it seemed to me that mstp's at wash u were put up on a pedestal and treated very differently from the regular medical students. there were numerous times during my interview visit where i got the impression that the school cared about mstp's more than they did the md students...i know that most probably believe that this is a good thing but i'd rather be just another med student during my first two years.
2) while they have a lot of good scientists at wash u, they also have some that aren't so great whereas at a place like ucsf or stanford, everyone is a heavy hitter. you should be very careful in picking a good scientist to work with.
#2 is the same reason why i didn't like ucla, i got the feeling that the density of good scientists isn't as great as it is at ucsd, ucsf, or stanford. also while la is a big and diverse city, i just can't see myself living there for 7-8 years...i definitely would prefer living in san diego or the bay area.
vmn2
thanks for the quick reply. there were a couple of things that i didn't like about wash u.
1) i agree that the mstp there is run really well, but i don't like the extremely large size of the program. it seemed to me that mstp's at wash u were put up on a pedestal and treated very differently from the regular medical students. there were numerous times during my interview visit where i got the impression that the school cared about mstp's more than they did the md students...i know that most probably believe that this is a good thing but i'd rather be just another med student during my first two years.
2) while they have a lot of good scientists at wash u, they also have some that aren't so great whereas at a place like ucsf or stanford, everyone is a heavy hitter. you should be very careful in picking a good scientist to work with.
#2 is the same reason why i didn't like ucla, i got the feeling that the density of good scientists isn't as great as it is at ucsd, ucsf, or stanford. also while la is a big and diverse city, i just can't see myself living there for 7-8 years...i definitely would prefer living in san diego or the bay area.
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•••quote:•••Originally posted by vmn2:
•academic,
thanks for the quick reply. there were a couple of things that i didn't like about wash u.
1) i agree that the mstp there is run really well, but i don't like the extremely large size of the program. it seemed to me that mstp's at wash u were put up on a pedestal and treated very differently from the regular medical students. there were numerous times during my interview visit where i got the impression that the school cared about mstp's more than they did the md students...i know that most probably believe that this is a good thing but i'd rather be just another med student during my first two years.
2) while they have a lot of good scientists at wash u, they also have some that aren't so great whereas at a place like ucsf or stanford, everyone is a heavy hitter. you should be very careful in picking a good scientist to work with.
#2 is the same reason why i didn't like ucla, i got the feeling that the density of good scientists isn't as great as it is at ucsd, ucsf, or stanford. also while la is a big and diverse city, i just can't see myself living there for 7-8 years...i definitely would prefer living in san diego or the bay area.
vmn2•••••Hi academic and vmn2,
I'm a first year MSTP student at Wash U, and I agree with you to some extent that we are "on a pedestal." At least that's the impression I got from my interview; the MSTP people certainly made it sound like MST students are treated much better than regular MD students. That also turned me off initially, because I didn't want to go to a school that offered preferential treatment, or one in which a "clique" of MST students formed.
Thankfully, I found out the way it really is during my revisit. I've now been through most of my first year, and I have to say that I feel like any other med student. THere is really nothing that distinguishes me from other med students at all, and many people do not even know who is MST and who isn't. Perhaps we might get more support in terms of advising, but that's only because of the MST office. Administration does not treat us any differently, and other students certainly don't either.
Hope that helps. Academic: I look forward to seeing you at your revisit (I will be one of the people taking you guys guys out on Sat. night).
Good luck to all of you in making your decisions!
•academic,
thanks for the quick reply. there were a couple of things that i didn't like about wash u.
1) i agree that the mstp there is run really well, but i don't like the extremely large size of the program. it seemed to me that mstp's at wash u were put up on a pedestal and treated very differently from the regular medical students. there were numerous times during my interview visit where i got the impression that the school cared about mstp's more than they did the md students...i know that most probably believe that this is a good thing but i'd rather be just another med student during my first two years.
2) while they have a lot of good scientists at wash u, they also have some that aren't so great whereas at a place like ucsf or stanford, everyone is a heavy hitter. you should be very careful in picking a good scientist to work with.
#2 is the same reason why i didn't like ucla, i got the feeling that the density of good scientists isn't as great as it is at ucsd, ucsf, or stanford. also while la is a big and diverse city, i just can't see myself living there for 7-8 years...i definitely would prefer living in san diego or the bay area.
vmn2•••••Hi academic and vmn2,
I'm a first year MSTP student at Wash U, and I agree with you to some extent that we are "on a pedestal." At least that's the impression I got from my interview; the MSTP people certainly made it sound like MST students are treated much better than regular MD students. That also turned me off initially, because I didn't want to go to a school that offered preferential treatment, or one in which a "clique" of MST students formed.
Thankfully, I found out the way it really is during my revisit. I've now been through most of my first year, and I have to say that I feel like any other med student. THere is really nothing that distinguishes me from other med students at all, and many people do not even know who is MST and who isn't. Perhaps we might get more support in terms of advising, but that's only because of the MST office. Administration does not treat us any differently, and other students certainly don't either.
Hope that helps. Academic: I look forward to seeing you at your revisit (I will be one of the people taking you guys guys out on Sat. night).
Good luck to all of you in making your decisions!
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i just got an interview for the UIC MSTP. if anyone has interviewed there PLEASE send me a PM because i have a few questions for you.
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OK, so I just spent a day and a half reading this thread.
Sonic Hedgehog? From Stanford? From SRI LANKA? I think I know who you are. Congrats again on your acceptance to Hopkins.
Original and JJ4, thanks for your input. But shouldn't location be a major determining factor as well (according to Vader's site)? That's one reason why I'm not so eager to throw out NYU and especially the U of Chicago.
Sonic Hedgehog? From Stanford? From SRI LANKA? I think I know who you are. Congrats again on your acceptance to Hopkins.
Original and JJ4, thanks for your input. But shouldn't location be a major determining factor as well (according to Vader's site)? That's one reason why I'm not so eager to throw out NYU and especially the U of Chicago.
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Hi everybody!
I got the GOOD NEWS from Yale's MSTP today! I got in.... received a phone call from Jim Jamieson, the program director. He said revisit weekend for Yale would be towards the end of April, so I plan on going to that. I asked him about the others, and he said that everyone who got accepted will receive phone calls or emails... Good luck to everyone!
SoNiC
I got the GOOD NEWS from Yale's MSTP today! I got in.... received a phone call from Jim Jamieson, the program director. He said revisit weekend for Yale would be towards the end of April, so I plan on going to that. I asked him about the others, and he said that everyone who got accepted will receive phone calls or emails... Good luck to everyone!
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JJ4- Regarding non-MSTP schools I would second advice already given. It is all about funding. As I said before, I am at a non MSTP school and have never felt disadvantaged. Every MD/PhD student will have different lab experiences, training, and education based mostly on your PI and his/her lab. There are good and bad training programs for a PhD and this is definatley by dept, not school. I'm currently in one of the few PhD programs that gets a training grant from NIH. Is this better than MSTP? Who knows. Will MSTP versus training grant ever come up in my future? Who the heck knows, but probably not. I don't think it matters all else being equal. That said, if a program is non-MSTP because support for the students is lacking, or for other detrimental reasons, I think the answer is obvious.
One last thought on choosing your program. Again all else being equal, I would give serious weight to location. I know JJ4 is considering mid-west vs. east coast. Having done both I would say they are a world apart and should definately factor in to the decision making. 7 to 8 years is a long long time. I've had friends get married and have kids. This is your life, not just a few more years at college. It is a good life though - don't get me wrong.
One last thought on choosing your program. Again all else being equal, I would give serious weight to location. I know JJ4 is considering mid-west vs. east coast. Having done both I would say they are a world apart and should definately factor in to the decision making. 7 to 8 years is a long long time. I've had friends get married and have kids. This is your life, not just a few more years at college. It is a good life though - don't get me wrong.
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•••quote:•••Originally posted by vmn2:
•Hey everyone-
I also just found out about this site. I've been accepted to the MSTP at Wash U, UCLA, UCSD, and Penn and I'm still waiting to hear from UCSF and Stanford...I think that I would like to attend either UCSD, UCSF, or Stanford. If anyone has any insight on any of these programs I'd love to hear it...thanks. Good luck to everyone still waiting on schools.•••••Hey vmn2,
As you probably know, I'm an first-year MSTP student at UCSF. If there's anything specific you'd like to know, please feel free to ask. You can PM me if you like. Congratulations on the great choices and hope to see you this fall!
•Hey everyone-
I also just found out about this site. I've been accepted to the MSTP at Wash U, UCLA, UCSD, and Penn and I'm still waiting to hear from UCSF and Stanford...I think that I would like to attend either UCSD, UCSF, or Stanford. If anyone has any insight on any of these programs I'd love to hear it...thanks. Good luck to everyone still waiting on schools.•••••Hey vmn2,
As you probably know, I'm an first-year MSTP student at UCSF. If there's anything specific you'd like to know, please feel free to ask. You can PM me if you like. Congratulations on the great choices and hope to see you this fall!
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Thanks for the insight guys. Yeah it's a tough choice. Location wise...hmm....I mean I love NYC --- I spent my whole life here. With that said...sometimes I wonder if another place will be a totally new experience. I've found labs at both that I liked --- but am going to look even harder about lifestyle and all that. Yawn -- you said that having done both they were worlds apart. I totally understand that -- but did you mean that you really hated one over the other?? I haven't quite got into the whole marriage thinking yet but suppose it will come up at some point between lab and the wards -- I just don't know when and where and how that factors into anything at the moment but would be interested in your thoughts of training in the midwest. I have to admit though -- the clinical training at Mayo was quite astounding compared to most of the NYC schools I've seen but then again that was just on first glance.
Chwgd ----
I agree with you on the location part in choosing between the schools. However to go along with the Penn thing -- Philadelphia is actually not so bad. It's not quite NYC but it has it's fair share of cool things to do. Go back and check things out. Don't let me bias you on NYU. I mean I have a lot of friends in their program and hence was considering it VERY strongly. But in the end it just did not suit my research interests as much as Sinai did. I guess it's all just a matter of personal preference. In any case you've got a great list of schools dude.
Chwgd ----
I agree with you on the location part in choosing between the schools. However to go along with the Penn thing -- Philadelphia is actually not so bad. It's not quite NYC but it has it's fair share of cool things to do. Go back and check things out. Don't let me bias you on NYU. I mean I have a lot of friends in their program and hence was considering it VERY strongly. But in the end it just did not suit my research interests as much as Sinai did. I guess it's all just a matter of personal preference. In any case you've got a great list of schools dude.
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•••quote:•••Originally posted by vmn2:
•...I think that I would like to attend either UCSD, UCSF, or Stanford. If anyone has any insight on any of these programs I'd love to hear it...•••••Hey VMN2-
Welcome to the thread! UCSF and Stanford are also very high on my list. Are you from California?
With UCSD, I must admit that I wish I followed through the interview. I was just in La Jolla last week and the weather was beautiful. I met some UCSD students (both MSTP & MD) and they were really cool. So I had decided not to go through with the interview because (among other reasons) I had doubts about how well I'd like the curriculum. The amount of lecturing and studying made it sound difficult to pursue grad work during the 1st two years of med school. What are your thoughts?
With the Stanford program, I was impressed overall with the research opportunities and the administrative guidance. However, it was surprised to learn that their program does not involve lab rotations! Although it saves time, I'm not sure how comfortable I am with picking a thesis lab right after the first year without spending time in the lab to feel out the atmosphere. Any thoughts?
MapK
•...I think that I would like to attend either UCSD, UCSF, or Stanford. If anyone has any insight on any of these programs I'd love to hear it...•••••Hey VMN2-
Welcome to the thread! UCSF and Stanford are also very high on my list. Are you from California?
With UCSD, I must admit that I wish I followed through the interview. I was just in La Jolla last week and the weather was beautiful. I met some UCSD students (both MSTP & MD) and they were really cool. So I had decided not to go through with the interview because (among other reasons) I had doubts about how well I'd like the curriculum. The amount of lecturing and studying made it sound difficult to pursue grad work during the 1st two years of med school. What are your thoughts?
With the Stanford program, I was impressed overall with the research opportunities and the administrative guidance. However, it was surprised to learn that their program does not involve lab rotations! Although it saves time, I'm not sure how comfortable I am with picking a thesis lab right after the first year without spending time in the lab to feel out the atmosphere. Any thoughts?
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You don't generally pursue grad work while taking med school classes, do you? That seems a bit much. I thought the only grad work you did during the first two years was during the summer.
Hey MapK,
No actually I'm not from California, I'm from Indiana...I just really love California and really like the schools out there, so I'll be at one of those 3 schools next year (I'll know in a couple weeks WHICH one).
As for UCSD, I really loved the environment of the school and the research opportunities. For a while I questioned what kind of clinical training medical students there receive but I talked to a MD/PhD there who is a surgeon who trained on the east coast and he said the training is very good, you just have to put in the effort. I am not a lecture learner at all, so I was a little worried about all the lecture time, but lecture is not required so you can learn the material any way you want to. I'm not planning on doing any research during the medical school years (except for the summers of course) just because I know how much it sucks trying to balance coursework and research (I'm trying to do it now), so I'm not too worried about the loads of work I'd have at UCSD, it'll just help in getting good board scores.
i liked stanford too, but i definitely prefer ucsf and maybe even ucsd just because of location...i don't think i want to spend 7-8 years isolated in palo alto, i'd much rather be in a city like san francisco or san diego. i'm also not sure what i think about having no rotations...if i remember correctly though, you can go always go into a lab for a few weeks and if you discover that it doesn't fit you can switch to another, which serves essentially the same effect as doing a rotation. having no rotations required definitely helps getting through the program more quickly though.
vmn2
•••quote:•••Originally posted by MAPKinkster:
• •••quote:•••Originally posted by vmn2:
•...I think that I would like to attend either UCSD, UCSF, or Stanford. If anyone has any insight on any of these programs I'd love to hear it...•••••Hey VMN2-
Welcome to the thread! UCSF and Stanford are also very high on my list. Are you from California?
With UCSD, I must admit that I wish I followed through the interview. I was just in La Jolla last week and the weather was beautiful. I met some UCSD students (both MSTP & MD) and they were really cool. So I had decided not to go through with the interview because (among other reasons) I had doubts about how well I'd like the curriculum. The amount of lecturing and studying made it sound difficult to pursue grad work during the 1st two years of med school. What are your thoughts?
With the Stanford program, I was impressed overall with the research opportunities and the administrative guidance. However, it was surprised to learn that their program does not involve lab rotations! Although it saves time, I'm not sure how comfortable I am with picking a thesis lab right after the first year without spending time in the lab to feel out the atmosphere. Any thoughts?
MapK•••••
No actually I'm not from California, I'm from Indiana...I just really love California and really like the schools out there, so I'll be at one of those 3 schools next year (I'll know in a couple weeks WHICH one).
As for UCSD, I really loved the environment of the school and the research opportunities. For a while I questioned what kind of clinical training medical students there receive but I talked to a MD/PhD there who is a surgeon who trained on the east coast and he said the training is very good, you just have to put in the effort. I am not a lecture learner at all, so I was a little worried about all the lecture time, but lecture is not required so you can learn the material any way you want to. I'm not planning on doing any research during the medical school years (except for the summers of course) just because I know how much it sucks trying to balance coursework and research (I'm trying to do it now), so I'm not too worried about the loads of work I'd have at UCSD, it'll just help in getting good board scores.
i liked stanford too, but i definitely prefer ucsf and maybe even ucsd just because of location...i don't think i want to spend 7-8 years isolated in palo alto, i'd much rather be in a city like san francisco or san diego. i'm also not sure what i think about having no rotations...if i remember correctly though, you can go always go into a lab for a few weeks and if you discover that it doesn't fit you can switch to another, which serves essentially the same effect as doing a rotation. having no rotations required definitely helps getting through the program more quickly though.
vmn2
•••quote:•••Originally posted by MAPKinkster:
• •••quote:•••Originally posted by vmn2:
•...I think that I would like to attend either UCSD, UCSF, or Stanford. If anyone has any insight on any of these programs I'd love to hear it...•••••Hey VMN2-
Welcome to the thread! UCSF and Stanford are also very high on my list. Are you from California?
With UCSD, I must admit that I wish I followed through the interview. I was just in La Jolla last week and the weather was beautiful. I met some UCSD students (both MSTP & MD) and they were really cool. So I had decided not to go through with the interview because (among other reasons) I had doubts about how well I'd like the curriculum. The amount of lecturing and studying made it sound difficult to pursue grad work during the 1st two years of med school. What are your thoughts?
With the Stanford program, I was impressed overall with the research opportunities and the administrative guidance. However, it was surprised to learn that their program does not involve lab rotations! Although it saves time, I'm not sure how comfortable I am with picking a thesis lab right after the first year without spending time in the lab to feel out the atmosphere. Any thoughts?
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First of all, MAPK, that post was one of the most comprehensive sources of the future of funding for MSTP and MD/PhD in the broad sense that I have ever seen.
Second of all, for those who remember, I only applied to two MD/PhD programs: UIC and PSU. got rejected by UIC, got a letter from PSU saying I am in the "Hold for possible interview list" but the interviews end in March. Anywho things aren't looking good for me, but I refuse to let the f*ckers at AMCAS get in the way of me becoming an MD/PhD.
I am now looking at two options:
1. A PhD at WashU. (then apply to MD programs)
2. A Masters at Boston U. (then reapply to MSTP programs)
The dilemna is, what do I do? I want to be an MD/PhD, but which is my better route? Do I just get a PhD then reapply to MD programs once the PhD is done? Should I go for the Masters (which has an obscenely high success rate for MD and BU's MD/PhD program)
I know you guys are all deciding between Yale and UCSF and other rediculously good programs, but I really am stumped. I can find positives and drawbacks to both options. I am hoping maybe you guys who have toured and interviewed and really learned all about MSTP programs might have more insight into the drawbacks or benefits from my two options. I currently live in Boston and work at a Harvard teaching hospital doing genetics research. The program director of the Master's program at BU said I could do the research thesis here, in my present lab with my PI, who would get a temporary one year appointment to BU.
Another thing to consider is that I truly do enjoy basic sciences and would rather not go into a MD/PhD program at, no offense, Finch or other school with an, ahem, sub-par science reputation.
Like I said, I know you are all deciding between programs and may not care what I do, but any help would be appreciated.
I'll start a new post called "Candiria's Dilemna" I'll set up a voting column if you don't have any comments but want to give a yay or nay to a certain program.
Thanks for reading, good luck to you all.
Jesse
Second of all, for those who remember, I only applied to two MD/PhD programs: UIC and PSU. got rejected by UIC, got a letter from PSU saying I am in the "Hold for possible interview list" but the interviews end in March. Anywho things aren't looking good for me, but I refuse to let the f*ckers at AMCAS get in the way of me becoming an MD/PhD.
I am now looking at two options:
1. A PhD at WashU. (then apply to MD programs)
2. A Masters at Boston U. (then reapply to MSTP programs)
The dilemna is, what do I do? I want to be an MD/PhD, but which is my better route? Do I just get a PhD then reapply to MD programs once the PhD is done? Should I go for the Masters (which has an obscenely high success rate for MD and BU's MD/PhD program)
I know you guys are all deciding between Yale and UCSF and other rediculously good programs, but I really am stumped. I can find positives and drawbacks to both options. I am hoping maybe you guys who have toured and interviewed and really learned all about MSTP programs might have more insight into the drawbacks or benefits from my two options. I currently live in Boston and work at a Harvard teaching hospital doing genetics research. The program director of the Master's program at BU said I could do the research thesis here, in my present lab with my PI, who would get a temporary one year appointment to BU.
Another thing to consider is that I truly do enjoy basic sciences and would rather not go into a MD/PhD program at, no offense, Finch or other school with an, ahem, sub-par science reputation.
Like I said, I know you are all deciding between programs and may not care what I do, but any help would be appreciated.
I'll start a new post called "Candiria's Dilemna" I'll set up a voting column if you don't have any comments but want to give a yay or nay to a certain program.
Thanks for reading, good luck to you all.
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sonic, congrats on your acceptance. Did you get an email AND a phone call or just a phone call? I'm assuming all the decisions have been sent out. I havent been able to check my snail mail yet, but I checked the online status check at Penn and it says i'm waitlisted tier 2. So now for me it looks like WashU for sure unless Hopkins suddenly comes thru with funding.
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MacGyver -
Apparently Yale DOES provide full-funding for international students. At least that's what their program director said and I reminded him of my status just to refresh his memory in case it was a mistake.
Baylor21 -
I didn't receive the email. I only received a phone call from Dr. Jamieson. He said that the letter was in the mail and I should be getting it.
Also, don't give up on HOPKINS so fast. When I spoke to Thommie to schedule my revisit she was telling me that students with funding have until April 15th to make up their minds. If they do not send a commitment to matriculate letter by April 15th, then their funding offers will be extended to other students. My guess is that your funding status will be determined then. I don't think it would hurt to let Dr. Siliciano know that you would like to go there, if you're serious about it.
Apparently Yale DOES provide full-funding for international students. At least that's what their program director said and I reminded him of my status just to refresh his memory in case it was a mistake.
Baylor21 -
I didn't receive the email. I only received a phone call from Dr. Jamieson. He said that the letter was in the mail and I should be getting it.
Also, don't give up on HOPKINS so fast. When I spoke to Thommie to schedule my revisit she was telling me that students with funding have until April 15th to make up their minds. If they do not send a commitment to matriculate letter by April 15th, then their funding offers will be extended to other students. My guess is that your funding status will be determined then. I don't think it would hurt to let Dr. Siliciano know that you would like to go there, if you're serious about it.
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Candiria,
A third option would be to apply to the NIH post-bac IRTA program. You can get info at <a href="http://www.nih.gov." target="_blank">www.nih.gov.</a> I'm not sure how much time the Master's route would take, but the pre-IRTA program is only one year, and it's completely flexible. I'm doing that now, and it's specifically geared toward those who are applying to graduate schools.
A third option would be to apply to the NIH post-bac IRTA program. You can get info at <a href="http://www.nih.gov." target="_blank">www.nih.gov.</a> I'm not sure how much time the Master's route would take, but the pre-IRTA program is only one year, and it's completely flexible. I'm doing that now, and it's specifically geared toward those who are applying to graduate schools.
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Yes Candiria -- I second chwpgd's advice. The NIH IRTA program is a great post-bac program before graduate school. The other side of the coin is this -- if you stay with your current PI your publication opportunities could be higher.
However, if you go into a PhD program find out what your chances are to get into the MD/PhD track in the next cycle. Other than that doing a PhD and then an MD is not the best approach in my opinion in that sometimes it may not work to your favor. However check with the different programs and see what's up. Good Luck!
However, if you go into a PhD program find out what your chances are to get into the MD/PhD track in the next cycle. Other than that doing a PhD and then an MD is not the best approach in my opinion in that sometimes it may not work to your favor. However check with the different programs and see what's up. Good Luck!
hi all,
congrats to all of you! those are some amazing acceptances. i intend to apply to MD/PhD programs in the upcoming application cycle, and i have a few questions. say you applied to a really competitive MD/PhD program and were denied a MD/PhD interview, did the adcom still offer you a MD interview? And post-MD/PhD interview, if the adcom decided not to offer acceptance to the dual program, would they still consider you for the MD program?
thanks...
congrats to all of you! those are some amazing acceptances. i intend to apply to MD/PhD programs in the upcoming application cycle, and i have a few questions. say you applied to a really competitive MD/PhD program and were denied a MD/PhD interview, did the adcom still offer you a MD interview? And post-MD/PhD interview, if the adcom decided not to offer acceptance to the dual program, would they still consider you for the MD program?
thanks...
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Thanks for the advice. The NI IRTA program is quite interesting, except that I believe my research is one of my strengths. If anything, what kept me out of MD/PhD programs were my grades. Therefore, whatever I do necessitates that I undertake more class work. My girlfriend yells at me for surfing this site. MSTP Boulevard is what makes it all worthwhile.
Peace
Jesse
Thanks for the advice. The NI IRTA program is quite interesting, except that I believe my research is one of my strengths. If anything, what kept me out of MD/PhD programs were my grades. Therefore, whatever I do necessitates that I undertake more class work. My girlfriend yells at me for surfing this site. MSTP Boulevard is what makes it all worthwhile.
Peace
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•••quote:•••Originally posted by momoco:
•hi all,
congrats to all of you! those are some amazing acceptances. i intend to apply to MD/PhD programs in the upcoming application cycle, and i have a few questions. say you applied to a really competitive MD/PhD program and were denied a MD/PhD interview, did the adcom still offer you a MD interview? And post-MD/PhD interview, if the adcom decided not to offer acceptance to the dual program, would they still consider you for the MD program?
thanks...•••••The answer to both of your questions is a resounding yes. I think it is becoming fairly common now for most schools to consider you first for MD/PhD and then if you dont get in, they will also consider you for MD only.
I was rejected MD/PhD at Harvard but got an MD interview (which I did not attend). The same thing also happened at Northwestern.
I know that Johns Hopkins will also consider you for MD only if they reject you for MD/PhD, as well as Yale and WashU. I'm sure theres a lot more out there that do so as well.
•hi all,
congrats to all of you! those are some amazing acceptances. i intend to apply to MD/PhD programs in the upcoming application cycle, and i have a few questions. say you applied to a really competitive MD/PhD program and were denied a MD/PhD interview, did the adcom still offer you a MD interview? And post-MD/PhD interview, if the adcom decided not to offer acceptance to the dual program, would they still consider you for the MD program?
thanks...•••••The answer to both of your questions is a resounding yes. I think it is becoming fairly common now for most schools to consider you first for MD/PhD and then if you dont get in, they will also consider you for MD only.
I was rejected MD/PhD at Harvard but got an MD interview (which I did not attend). The same thing also happened at Northwestern.
I know that Johns Hopkins will also consider you for MD only if they reject you for MD/PhD, as well as Yale and WashU. I'm sure theres a lot more out there that do so as well.
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Hi All,
It's been additive reading this thread and exciting to find out multiple acceptances into competitive programs. As of now I am also planning to apply to MSTP program but specifically I am looking into PhD in Public Health or Epidemiology and there are not a lot of programs that have that. I have done some searches but am wondering which places would have those programs. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
Good luck to all still waiting.
Z.
It's been additive reading this thread and exciting to find out multiple acceptances into competitive programs. As of now I am also planning to apply to MSTP program but specifically I am looking into PhD in Public Health or Epidemiology and there are not a lot of programs that have that. I have done some searches but am wondering which places would have those programs. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
Good luck to all still waiting.
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Yes momoco --
I think every school considers MSTP applicants for the MD track if they are not offered an interview through MSTP. I got an MD interview from Yale and I DID attend and DID get in. But considering my options I will be attending the MST programs I got into. Good Luck.
I think every school considers MSTP applicants for the MD track if they are not offered an interview through MSTP. I got an MD interview from Yale and I DID attend and DID get in. But considering my options I will be attending the MST programs I got into. Good Luck.
UCSD has a joint Epidemiology PhD program with San Diego State University...I know that there is currently at least one MSTP student at UCSD who is doing this.
vmn2
•••quote:•••Originally posted by zephyr_97:
•Hi All,
It's been additive reading this thread and exciting to find out multiple acceptances into competitive programs. As of now I am also planning to apply to MSTP program but specifically I am looking into PhD in Public Health or Epidemiology and there are not a lot of programs that have that. I have done some searches but am wondering which places would have those programs. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
Good luck to all still waiting.
Z.•••••
vmn2
•••quote:•••Originally posted by zephyr_97:
•Hi All,
It's been additive reading this thread and exciting to find out multiple acceptances into competitive programs. As of now I am also planning to apply to MSTP program but specifically I am looking into PhD in Public Health or Epidemiology and there are not a lot of programs that have that. I have done some searches but am wondering which places would have those programs. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
Good luck to all still waiting.
Z.•••••
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•••quote:•••Originally posted by zephyr_97:
•Hi All,
It's been additive reading this thread and exciting to find out multiple acceptances into competitive programs. As of now I am also planning to apply to MSTP program but specifically I am looking into PhD in Public Health or Epidemiology and there are not a lot of programs that have that. I have done some searches but am wondering which places would have those programs. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
Good luck to all still waiting.
Z.•••••I'd recommend you look into Johns Hopkins. Their public health school is one of the best in the country, and they offer the MD/PhD program to people wanting to go into that discipline.
•Hi All,
It's been additive reading this thread and exciting to find out multiple acceptances into competitive programs. As of now I am also planning to apply to MSTP program but specifically I am looking into PhD in Public Health or Epidemiology and there are not a lot of programs that have that. I have done some searches but am wondering which places would have those programs. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
Good luck to all still waiting.
Z.•••••I'd recommend you look into Johns Hopkins. Their public health school is one of the best in the country, and they offer the MD/PhD program to people wanting to go into that discipline.
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Has anybody else gotten into Yale besides sonic?
did you guys get the official letter from them yet?
Also, has anybody gotten MSTP funding at Hopkins yet? (I know that sonic got the Merck corporate funding) I heard they were supposed to decide pretty soon, but I dont know when for sure.
did you guys get the official letter from them yet?
Also, has anybody gotten MSTP funding at Hopkins yet? (I know that sonic got the Merck corporate funding) I heard they were supposed to decide pretty soon, but I dont know when for sure.
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•••quote:•••Originally posted by chef:
•did anyone here apply to USC? I got into USC MD/PhD today, 50% tuition remission first 2 yrs, then full funding & stipend the rest. Funny thing is they want me to reply within 1 week.•••••Hey CHEF!
Congrats on the USC admit! Your right...the 1 week deadline does sound funny. I thought the deadline set by AAMC for picking a program (and dropping multiple acceptances) was May 15th for med schools and April 15th for MD/PhDs that start in the summer.
MapK
•did anyone here apply to USC? I got into USC MD/PhD today, 50% tuition remission first 2 yrs, then full funding & stipend the rest. Funny thing is they want me to reply within 1 week.•••••Hey CHEF!
Congrats on the USC admit! Your right...the 1 week deadline does sound funny. I thought the deadline set by AAMC for picking a program (and dropping multiple acceptances) was May 15th for med schools and April 15th for MD/PhDs that start in the summer.
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Hey Sonic,
Have you gotten any information about the WashU revisit? I'm currently in Nigeria and will only come back a few days before the 2nd look. Please let me know.
Have you gotten any information about the WashU revisit? I'm currently in Nigeria and will only come back a few days before the 2nd look. Please let me know.
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Today is supposed to be the day UCLA mails out those MSTP letters......... so I've heard anyway. If anybody gets the happy call today let me know! I am still unclear whether they're calling people or not but I'm pretty sure that Dr. Korenmann is supposed to work the phones anytime now. Or did anyone get calls earlier this week?
R
RNAgirl
I just got back from vacation, and I didn't get any e-mails or phone calls from Yale.
Congratulations Sonic! Is Yale still a consideration for you? Maybe you'll give up your spot for one of us? Last question: Did they tell you when the letters were mailed?
Congratulations Sonic! Is Yale still a consideration for you? Maybe you'll give up your spot for one of us?
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Hey RNAgirl,
Yale is probably within my top three choices, but since I'm handing in my letter of matriculation to Hopkins when I visit there on Monday, I'll tell Yale that I won't be coming.
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I emailed Brian and he sent me an email sometime later saying that I'm set for April 12-14, but he said that I will receive documentation soon. I haven't received anything from them. I also haven't heard back from Duke, but I'm going to call Pat and withdraw my application (I don't want to waste their time because I'm not going to go there).
I'm looking forward to meeting the other SDN'ers at Wash.U.
SoNiC
Yale is probably within my top three choices, but since I'm handing in my letter of matriculation to Hopkins when I visit there on Monday, I'll tell Yale that I won't be coming.
Original -
I emailed Brian and he sent me an email sometime later saying that I'm set for April 12-14, but he said that I will receive documentation soon. I haven't received anything from them. I also haven't heard back from Duke, but I'm going to call Pat and withdraw my application (I don't want to waste their time because I'm not going to go there).
I'm looking forward to meeting the other SDN'ers at Wash.U.
SoNiC
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I got a letter from WashU today offering another $2000 a year on top of the $20,500 living stipend for 5 years so that was a nice thing to find in my mailbox.
For some reason I STILL havent gotten my Penn waitlist letter, the status check says i'm in tier 2 so I might as well withdraw from there since I have basically zero chance of getting in.
How many of you are starting lab rotations this summer? I need to figure out where I'm going to end up pronto so I can get my apartment/housing situation lined up. I was planning on using the 2nd look trips as a chance to look at (and possibly sign a lease) for apartments, but since I wont have decided for sure yet on which school (Hopkins/WashU) then it doesnt make much sense to worry about it yet. Guess I'll have to pay to travel out there again to get housing straightened out.
sonic, are you planning on getting an apartment at Hopkins or what? I think they have some student housing, but I'm married now so I dont know if they let married people live there.
For some reason I STILL havent gotten my Penn waitlist letter, the status check says i'm in tier 2 so I might as well withdraw from there since I have basically zero chance of getting in.
How many of you are starting lab rotations this summer? I need to figure out where I'm going to end up pronto so I can get my apartment/housing situation lined up. I was planning on using the 2nd look trips as a chance to look at (and possibly sign a lease) for apartments, but since I wont have decided for sure yet on which school (Hopkins/WashU) then it doesnt make much sense to worry about it yet. Guess I'll have to pay to travel out there again to get housing straightened out.
sonic, are you planning on getting an apartment at Hopkins or what? I think they have some student housing, but I'm married now so I dont know if they let married people live there.
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Woohoo! I just got a rejection from Northwestern today. I think it's pretty funny, considering that my impression of the place was that they had a really weak program. I guess my lack of interest was apparent at the interview...either that or I forgot to shower...
I think it's pretty funny, considering that my impression of the place was that they had a really weak program. I guess my lack of interest was apparent at the interview...either that or I forgot to shower... - Joined
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Baylor21 -
I've been told to look for housing outside East Baltimore, in Charle's Village (near Homewood). But I hear Homewood is a worse neighborhood than East baltimore. A friend of mine lives in Ellicott city and Columbia (suburbs of maryland) and drive. But I'm not considering that option until after I move in. I think I'm going to live in the "dungeon" (Reed Hall) for my first year, and then slowly move out.
Hmmm... looks like WashU *really* wants you.. With 22.5K at WashU!! Wow! that's an amazing stipend. You'll probably be the richest MSTP! Hopkins stipend is pretty meager, I think the lowest of all the schools perhaps - just 16.5 for the first year, and then 20K each year after.
I got my official Yale acceptance letter today, and that says that their stipends are 19K first year, and 23K after that! That's actually comparable to what the NY schools are giving so it's pretty great.
I look forward to seeing you at WashU secondlook.
I've been told to look for housing outside East Baltimore, in Charle's Village (near Homewood). But I hear Homewood is a worse neighborhood than East baltimore. A friend of mine lives in Ellicott city and Columbia (suburbs of maryland) and drive. But I'm not considering that option until after I move in. I think I'm going to live in the "dungeon" (Reed Hall) for my first year, and then slowly move out.
Hmmm... looks like WashU *really* wants you.. With 22.5K at WashU!! Wow! that's an amazing stipend. You'll probably be the richest MSTP! Hopkins stipend is pretty meager, I think the lowest of all the schools perhaps - just 16.5 for the first year, and then 20K each year after.
I got my official Yale acceptance letter today, and that says that their stipends are 19K first year, and 23K after that! That's actually comparable to what the NY schools are giving so it's pretty great.
I look forward to seeing you at WashU secondlook.
R
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Hey Sonic! So, you'll be over in my area tomorrow (I live about 40 minutes west of Baltimore)? Are you going to Hopkins to arrange a summer lab rotation and check out housing? There are some really nice apartments near Ellicott City, and they are probably only a 15 minute drive, IF you don't get stuck in traffic. Living in university housing the first year and finding a place to move into second year sounds like a good idea. Feel free to ask me any questions you have about living in Maryland, although I admit I know little about the City of Baltimore itself. Have fun tomorrow!!! :wink:
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Q for Vader:
Vader, on 2001 UCSF's matchlist I saw most impressive ophthalmology matches (1 to Harvard Eye&ear, 1 to Wilmer, 1 to Bascom Palmer, 2 others UCIrvine & WashU). Do you know if these folks were MD or MD/PhD? Were they "Superstars" of their class?
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Vader, on 2001 UCSF's matchlist I saw most impressive ophthalmology matches (1 to Harvard Eye&ear, 1 to Wilmer, 1 to Bascom Palmer, 2 others UCIrvine & WashU). Do you know if these folks were MD or MD/PhD? Were they "Superstars" of their class?
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Hey VADER-
Just building off of CHEF's above post...do you happen to know how the graduating MD/PhD class at UCSF did on the last match?
-MapK
Just building off of CHEF's above post...do you happen to know how the graduating MD/PhD class at UCSF did on the last match?
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Hi all,
Thanks for your replies to my questions earlier, especially ocelot, ucsd, and baylor21. :wink: Wondering if any of you are applying to get a PhD in Public Health or Epidemiology concurrently with a MD in the coming year. Also, are there other funded programs for MD/PhD besides Hopkins, UCSD and Columbia. Thanks for any input!
Take care,
Z
Thanks for your replies to my questions earlier, especially ocelot, ucsd, and baylor21. :wink: Wondering if any of you are applying to get a PhD in Public Health or Epidemiology concurrently with a MD in the coming year. Also, are there other funded programs for MD/PhD besides Hopkins, UCSD and Columbia. Thanks for any input!
Take care,
Z
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ok MudPhuds - I need your help:
1) Has anyone who applied to Penn's MD/PhD program been accepted only for the MD program?
2) Has this happened to anyone - irrespective of school, and if so, can you say which schools?
Here's my beed: when applying we are told "if you have a strong interest blah blah blah" and "even if you're not accepted, you're still in the running for an MD admission."
But I havent found that to be the case. Actually thats not true. WashU's MD/PhD rejected me outright, but then the MD program wanted to interview me. Which in and of itself might be telling because that school was the one school which two COMPLETELY independent admissions processes - i.e. we had to send duplicate applications to two different offices.
Is this the great white lie of MD/PhD programs? My bottom line is to get into med school - MD/PhD would be nice, but I'm not going to throw in the towel if I dont get it - so what gives? Can anyone else confirm my suspicions? or better yet allay them?
Thanks all!!
1) Has anyone who applied to Penn's MD/PhD program been accepted only for the MD program?
2) Has this happened to anyone - irrespective of school, and if so, can you say which schools?
Here's my beed: when applying we are told "if you have a strong interest blah blah blah" and "even if you're not accepted, you're still in the running for an MD admission."
But I havent found that to be the case. Actually thats not true. WashU's MD/PhD rejected me outright, but then the MD program wanted to interview me. Which in and of itself might be telling because that school was the one school which two COMPLETELY independent admissions processes - i.e. we had to send duplicate applications to two different offices.
Is this the great white lie of MD/PhD programs? My bottom line is to get into med school - MD/PhD would be nice, but I'm not going to throw in the towel if I dont get it - so what gives? Can anyone else confirm my suspicions? or better yet allay them?
Thanks all!!
darkchild,
i was accepted to the md program at duke, but got put on the high priority waitlist for the md/phd (i.e. not accepted). i also got rejected from the harvard md/phd but got an hst interview, which i declined. on the other hand, i got rejected from the cornell and michigan md/phd programs, and then proceeded to not even get a med school interview with either one. so in my case, at least, it seems that it is possible to get into the md program and not the md/phd. hope this helps.
vmn2
i was accepted to the md program at duke, but got put on the high priority waitlist for the md/phd (i.e. not accepted). i also got rejected from the harvard md/phd but got an hst interview, which i declined. on the other hand, i got rejected from the cornell and michigan md/phd programs, and then proceeded to not even get a med school interview with either one. so in my case, at least, it seems that it is possible to get into the md program and not the md/phd. hope this helps.
vmn2
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