Melee WW Game Thread-April 2024

[kaydubs]

WOWEE, that took longer than anticipated. Will explain at game end….

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[samac]

I don’t know how to be less village-y. It’s a blessing a curse.
Samac finds someone suspicious, hones in -> village tunneling samac
Samac is a breeze blowing wherever the wind takes her -> unsure village samac
How do I village less hard

Semi-Recent Games Samac and I played together

from oldest to newest

2022:
(technically in 2021) Casino- Samac misread me
Bowwling- Samac was a wolf
Supernatural- she correctly thought I was village until my role reveal at d1 yeet and we self-prezzed onto each other
Literarwwy- Samac correctly town read me and also caught onto the softs I was putting on thread about my role
10th anni- we were both village before becoming skeletons and samac read me correctly
Ass Class- samac read me correctly
Nwwmbers- samac read me correctly, then seemed to be a bit sus of me, but then she died N1 so not a ton of info

2023:
Stardeww 2- samac thought I was scum until mechanics cleared me

So overall Samac is typically good at reading me but it sometimes takes a few days or posts to figure it out. She did most recently misread me but the games right before that she read me correctly.

*I only searched the posts samac had that said 'alley' in them so I may have missed a few but I feel confident this is representative of her reads on me

i was a wolf in SPN.
But huh.
You do realize telling me I’m better at reading you than I thought makes me feel weird right?

 

[samac]

Current thoughts:

Wolf leans: Clem, Dy, Samac, and to a lesser extent Genny. Clem and Dy fit together best atm imo, and I’m not convinced Dya had any good reason to move to MsP other than to get off Clem. Samac concerns me. Seems non-committal other than Alley, no sure why I’m on her wolfy read at all, and just feels a bit off later on. Genny is coasting. Only person no one voted for but no reason other than ‘genny feels like genny’. She also feels like she did when she was previously gooey to me and I’ve forgotten she was playing several times and usually I’m overly aware of her posts. Maybe I’m reading into it too much, but doesn’t feel right atm.

I actually feel alright about Cyndia and Alley. Both didn’t do much early, but I can follow their thoughts and their later arguments seem village separately. Not sure if their interactions feel V/V though, so will review them more if I’m around tomorrow.

Santy is a question mark. Could fit with some in the wolf pile, but not jumping out too much there. Will continue with mild side eye. Similar feel for PSV. Some questions there but not strongly in the Pot right now.

MKG and Zenge seem fine to me. Minimal concerns here.

I’m in your wolf leans? All is right in the world

 

[samac]

Why do you feel good about Dy and Clem?



Why “Huh”?

I don’t know that I necessarily do. Just feel better than others.

You didn’t have a huh reaction to that flip?

 

[kaydubs]

Night 1

What a night!! Lots of action, lots of violence. Who is standing this morning? Great question. Some were more victorious than others, that’s for sure.

Who isn’t standing? A seemingly more pertinent question to answer.

Dead is @Clem J who was a Village Fighter.

It is now Day 2! Vote to remove someone. Vote/Yeet closes at 10pm Eastern/9pm Central/7pm Pacific, TOMORROW, Tuesday, 4/16/24.

10 players remain

Roster:
1. @samac
2. @Cyndia
4. @Santygrass
5. @dyachei
6. @genny
7. @alleycat03
(7)9. @Stagg737
10. @potentialsheltervet
11. @mkg323
12. @Zenge142

Dead:
8. @Ms Procrastinator - Village Fighter
3. @Clem J - Village Fighter
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[samac]

Alright who knocked me out and what did you get for it

 

[samac]

Also Clem is the weirdest kill target

 

[kaydubs]

Day 2 Vote Tally:

0/10
Missing: everyone

Vote closes at 10pm 4/16/24 (~37 hours).

 

[Stagg737]

Midwife’s not playing you don’t need to try and pocket her

This isn't about pockets. It's about Principles. And Fre(e) shavacado...

 

[samac]

What if it is actually Zenges
Oh no

 

[Zenge142]

Also Clem is the weirdest kill target

Is he? I mean I’d kill Clem.

What if it is actually Zenges
Oh no

Oh. Maybe it’s a bad time to bring this up. 😬

But serious question, why do you think Clem was a “weird choice”?

 

[samac]

Is he? I mean I’d kill Clem.

Oh. Maybe it’s a bad time to bring this up. 😬

But serious question, why do you think Clem was a “weird choice”?

Ahahahahahahahahahhahahaha
That did make me laugh.

while we had moved off of him it still felt like others were pushing a Clem is sketchy narrative.

 

[samac]

@alleycat03 what happened to you last night?

 

[Stagg737]

I don’t know that I necessarily do. Just feel better than others.

You didn’t have a huh reaction to that flip?

ETA: You said you felt "good about Dy and Clem irt at EoD". So do you feel good about Dy still or were you hedging?

To Ms P? No. It was null. Why did you have a "huh" reaction?

 

[Santygrass]

Hm

 

[Santygrass]

I think Clem is a odd choice to kill as well ngl. Assuming it came from mafia ofc cause I can also see it being villa violence

 

[Santygrass]

I don’t know how to be less village-y. It’s a blessing a curse.
Samac finds someone suspicious, hones in -> village tunneling samac
Samac is a breeze blowing wherever the wind takes her -> unsure village samac
How do I village less hard

i was a wolf in SPN.
But huh.
You do realize telling me I’m better at reading you than I thought makes me feel weird right?

And what do you think about the fact that alley made that research and work to make you hold accountable?

 

[samac]

And what do you think about the fact that alley made that research and work to make you hold accountable?

no idea tbh
Don’t know whether it’s a wolfy play to make me feel guilty or she’s legitimately bothered by me wolf reading her

 

[Santygrass]

Yeet Cyndia

 

[samac]

ETA: You said you felt "good about Dy and Clem irt at EoD". So do you feel good about Dy still or were you hedging?

To Ms P? No. It was null. Why did you have a "huh" reaction?

I don’t know that I said those words, but I think I said I felt better about Clem?
I think I mentioned dy feeling like she did in the weekday game.

If you weren’t surprised by MsP’s flip and that being the only info we had at the time I’m concerned

 

[samac]

Now really who knocked me out

 

[Santygrass]

no idea tbh
Don’t know whether it’s a wolfy play to make me feel guilty or she’s legitimately bothered by me wolf reading her

Well for me gth is towny but also depends how they follow-up with it

 

[samac]

Well for me gth is towny but also depends how they follow-up with it

I don’t feel strongly about it because I’ve done almost this exact **** as a wolf to dubz in pasta. I was reacting to her posts in old games so she knew I was really in it trying to compare her play there to wolf play. Easy distractor.

 

[genny]

Now really who knocked me out

Not me. Someone beat me up and knocked the cat off my lap

 

[samac]

Not me. Someone beat me up and knocked the cat off my lap

I had TWO people fight me.
Did you fight anyone?

 

[samac]

yeet stagg

 

[genny]

I had TWO people fight me.
Did you fight anyone?

No, I almost died. It was very serious.

 

[Santygrass]

Y'all getting knocked out just is proof that you have skill issue as fighters.

My fighting abilities are top notch

 

[genny]

Y'all getting knocked out just is proof that you have skill issue as fighters.

My fighting abilities are top notch

Oh so you killed Clem then?

 

[Santygrass]

Y'all getting knocked out just is proof that you have skill issue as fighters.

My fighting abilities are top notch

This is me last night:

Spoiler

 

[Santygrass]

Oh so you killed Clem then?

I wont talk about what I did or didnt do last night until its relevant

 

[Stagg737]

I don’t know that I said those words, but I think I said I felt better about Clem?
I think I mentioned dy feeling like she did in the weekday game.

Ope, for some reason I read your and Santy's quotes in the same block. That was a Santy quote and he has explained himself. Disregard that.

If you weren’t surprised by MsP’s flip and that being the only info we had at the time I’m concerned

Why? It's D1 and she had very little activity. Why would anyone be surprised about that being a village flip? You still haven't told me why your response was "huh" and I'm getting more concerned with your responses.

 

[samac]

Y'all getting knocked out just is proof that you have skill issue as fighters.

My fighting abilities are top notch

I won my first one.
It was the ones that followed.

 

[samac]

Ope, for some reason I read your and Santy's quotes in the same block. That was a Santy quote and he has explained himself. Disregard that.


Why? It's D1 and she had very little activity. Why would anyone be surprised about that being a village flip? You still haven't told me why your response was "huh" and I'm getting more concerned with your responses.

The fact that you didn’t understand the huh makes me concerned about you.

 

[Stagg737]

The fact that you didn’t understand the huh makes me concerned about you.

I feel like you're being intentionally deceptive and your reasoning doesn't add up.

Vote Samac

To me a "huh" reaction to a flip means it's interesting, like you were expecting it not to be a village flip. That's why I question the reaction. I don't think we gained anything out of Ms P's flip at this time since she was barely around. Maybe some VCA, but it's still early for that. Unless you're claiming that you somehow already gained interesting VCA information or knew something else that we didn't, which I'm not going to entertain at this time.

 

[samac]

I feel like you're being intentionally deceptive and your reasoning doesn't add up.

Vote Samac

To me a "huh" reaction to a flip means it's interesting, like you were expecting it not to be a village flip. That's why I question the reaction. I don't think we gained anything out of Ms P's flip at this time since she was barely around. Maybe some VCA, but it's still early for that. Unless you're claiming that you somehow already gained interesting VCA information or knew something else that we didn't, which I'm not going to entertain at this time.

Okay dad.

Anyone else surprised by my huh reaction to the flip? Especially now that we have a second flip?

 

[Santygrass]

I feel like you're being intentionally deceptive and your reasoning doesn't add up.

Vote Samac

To me a "huh" reaction to a flip means it's interesting, like you were expecting it not to be a village flip. That's why I question the reaction. I don't think we gained anything out of Ms P's flip at this time since she was barely around. Maybe some VCA, but it's still early for that. Unless you're claiming that you somehow already gained interesting VCA information or knew something else that we didn't, which I'm not going to entertain at this time.

I interpret the "huh" as an "hmmm okay" and not a much shocked or surprised reaction. And I dont think no one would be surprised if it was either village or wolf flip. But myself personally wasnt "expecting" it to be a village flip

 

[Santygrass]

@Zenge142 what are your thought about EoD?

 

[dyachei]

i wasn't really expecting that kill

 

[Santygrass]

i wasn't really expecting that kill

Welcome to the club

 

[Stagg737]

I interpret the "huh" as an "hmmm okay" and not a much shocked or surprised reaction. And I dont think no one would be surprised if it was either village or wolf flip. But myself personally wasnt "expecting" it to be a village flip

I don't see a reason to write "huh" unless one is legit surprised (at least a little) or just trying to post for presence (which I feel is more often scummy than village). Whether that's directly due to being surprised about the flip or that the flip changes their PoE doesn't matter, I just don't see how the Ms P flip is surprising considering she had 3 posts total. Anyone arguing that they had a legit read or even moderate "feelz" on Ms P here is sus to me.

 

[Santygrass]

I don't see a reason to write "huh" unless one is legit surprised (at least a little) or just trying to post for presence (which I feel is more often scummy than village). Whether that's directly due to being surprised about the flip or that the flip changes their PoE doesn't matter, I just don't see how the Ms P flip is surprising considering she had 3 posts total. Anyone arguing that they had a legit read or even moderate "feelz" on Ms P here is sus to me.

I think tonally is quite clear that samac didnt express much surprise and you are taking inly one word in a vaccum to elaborate such a read, which I dont think is a good approach.

Like, a bit of surprise is reasonable? As I said, I dont think the village flip was "expected" and was moreso that it could go either way.

Also I think MKG had a fair-ish~ argument that I was okay with . In the sense that Ms P felt disjointed of thread.

It wasnt a strong reason? Yeah I concur. But we didnt have many strong arguments to yeet any slot so it just how the ball went

 

[dyachei]

stagg kind of seems villa to me. Idk, he's out here not making any friends

 

[Stagg737]

For transparency, I fought Clem last night and was victorious. Idk if that means I killed him, but seems like there could have been other people attacking as well seeing as at least 2 other people (Samac and genny) are claiming to be attacked by at least 2 people and are still alive. Also intrigued reading between the lines about some claims regarding last night, but will hold off on assumptions for now.

I was between Clem and Dy because I thought those flips would give most info about some of my other PoE, but chose Clem because he felt similar to Hannibal 2 when he was a serial killer. Also because I haven't played with Dy a ton and felt guilty about killing them when they felt like I was tunneling them a bunch last game. Clem flip makes me feel a little better about Santy and Dy (though in retrospect Dy flip probably would have helped my view of Clem more). Also want to look back at vote progression yesterday knowing the 2 leading wagons for most of the day both flipped village.

 

[dyachei]

idk i get the feeling that stagg solves by thinking everyone's a wolf and working backwards. i try to solve by finding villagers. might explain why we butt heads in these games

 

[Stagg737]

I think tonally is quite clear that samac didnt express much surprise and you are taking inly one word in a vaccum to elaborate such a read, which I dont think is a good approach.

Like, a bit of surprise is reasonable? As I said, I dont think the village flip was "expected" and was moreso that it could go either way.

Also I think MKG had a fair-ish~ argument that I was okay with . In the sense that Ms P felt disjointed of thread.

It wasnt a strong reason? Yeah I concur. But we didnt have many strong arguments to yeet any slot so it just how the ball went

I'm not taking tone from a 1-word post. But reasoning for posting that is more what feels off to me.

I was "expecting" her to flip village more than wolf. The chances of us catching an incredibly low-posting wolf on D1 without anyone trying to create another wagon seems pretty much non-existent. Unless that wolf tells pack to let them die D1, which also seems extremely unlikely. The fact that the wagon moved off of Clem to Ms P with Clem flipping village just ties up that loose end.

I missed that argument from MKG, but that's actually mildly concerning to me if that's a narrative that people used to vote. Below are Ms P's only posts:

Vote Samac

How's she a traitor?

Why sheep samac?

Yes, they seem disjointed because it's 3 posts total. Seems like someone who just legit wasn't here and was checking in, making this an even weirder D1 push (even if push was super weak). I'm all for trying to force activity or getting rid of low posters relatively early, but D1 is super early and again anyone attributing deeper reasoning to justify voting there concerns me a bit.

Edited to add a comma, because it was bothering me to a degree that is unreasonable for a comma to distress me...

 

[Stagg737]

idk i get the feeling that stagg solves by thinking everyone's a wolf and working backwards. i try to solve by finding villagers. might explain why we butt heads in these games

What do you mean. Everyone is a wolf. All the time. Some of us just happen to get labeled as villagers some games. Quite unfortunate, but necessary for most of these games to work...

 

[kaydubs]

Day 2 Vote Tally:

Cyndia (1) - Santy
Stagg (1) - samac
samac (1) - Stagg

3/10
Missing: not quite everyone

Vote closes at 10pm 4/16/24 (~35 hours).

 

[Santygrass]

Yes, they seem disjointed because it's 3 posts total. Seems like someone who just legit wasn't here and was checking in making this an even weirder D1 push (even if push was super weak). I'm all for trying to force activity or getting rid of low posters relatively early, but D1 is super early and again anyone attributing deeper reasoning to justify voting there concerns me a bit.

That's something you can only know after the flip tbh. There was'nt anything in Ms P favor tbh. And like I said, there werent any strong arguments. Clem was the other wagon near EoD to yeet and just him being a nothingburger until that point there wasnt nothing else. So /shrug

Today we get better, trust the process and all that stuff

 

[Santygrass]

Mkg has been fairly villagey as well.

I think Samac+MKG are the slots Im seeing more as villa rn