FM Interviews 2006-07

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I would disagree with the idea that because they have OB and Peds on staff, they are particularly strong. My program's the same way - OB and Peds on staff that oversee those rotations - and I thought it was a strong part of the program.

After a few months on the ground, I've come to see this type of faculty as better than nothing, but certainly less strong than a Family Medicine doc who specializes in these fields. Example is the my #2-ranked program, Providence-Milwaukie in Portland, OR. Their OB faculty is a Family doc who's done over 700 C-sections. He's done his fellowship and is head of the OB department at the hospital. THAT is strong OB.

Didactics in my program are being parsed out to internists, OB's, Peds, and specialists. Whether implicit or not, this sends the message that the FM faculty have nothing to teach, or aren't as qualified to teach it. This is, I think, an enormous weakness in my program and is similar to most of the FM programs around the country. Fundamentally, I am unable to learn these topics from an FM perspective, which is a true loss in my opinion.

Something to think about on the Great Trail to training nirvana.

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I would disagree with the idea that because they have OB and Peds on staff, they are particularly strong. My program's the same way - OB and Peds on staff that oversee those rotations - and I thought it was a strong part of the program.

After a few months on the ground, I've come to see this type of faculty as better than nothing, but certainly less strong than a Family Medicine doc who specializes in these fields. Example is the my #2-ranked program, Providence-Milwaukie in Portland, OR. Their OB faculty is a Family doc who's done over 700 C-sections. He's done his fellowship and is head of the OB department at the hospital. THAT is strong OB.

Didactics in my program are being parsed out to internists, OB's, Peds, and specialists. Whether or implicit or not, this sends the message that the FM faculty have nothing to teach, or aren't as qualified to teach it. This is, I think, an enormous weakness in my program and is similar to most of the FM programs around the country. Fundamentally, I am unable to learn these topics from an FM perspective, which is a true loss in my opinion.

Something to think about on the Great Trail to training nirvana.

Interesting point of view and I lack the experience to disagree or agree with it. Thanks.
 
Hey Kent,

How about giving this thread a sticky and even making a stick interview experience thread?

Maybe get rid of the welcome to Family Medicine Forums thread? After all, we know that Radiologists are not welcome.
 
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How about giving this thread a sticky and even making a stick interview experience thread?

I'll sticky the interview thread, although it's done pretty well staying near the top of the list all by itself.

Wouldn't this thread also be the best place for people to share their interview experiences?
 
OK...here we go with interview #2, Austin Medical Education Program FP Residency:

Pros:
1. Busy county hospital downtown, with a fairly sick indigent population and excellent exposure to HIV-AIDS and many chronic illnesses.
2. Good rapport between residents.
3. Great city--very young, very hip, with beautiful lakes, rivers, and hills nearby.
4. Clinic is across the street from the hospital and is very busy.
5. Noon conference daily, the two I have attended have been very good.
6. Faculty are young (some could consider this a con) and seem to enjoy teaching.

Cons:
1. Wasn't terribly impressed with the medical decision-making I observed in morning report. Granted, I was there for 15 minutes, but in that time I already observed one fairly obvious disregard of an alarming trend on a lab value. The attending did address it, finally, but in a very superficial way. Perhaps they would address if further on bedside rounds...?

2. Opposed program: Peds, OB/Gyn, IM, and soon Surgery and Neurology. Being taken over by UTMB next year and will be part of a larger academic center in the future (some might consider this a pro). One resident actually suggested that they may try to "get around" the requirement for a surgery rotation in FM since everyone anticipated the FM residents would become scut monkeys once the surgery residency starts. Yikes.

3. Very little interest in rural medicine. One resident actually told me that most residents were "city people" and very few went into rural medicine. Apparently she hadn't seen my personal statement or CV, otherwise she might have at least tried to paint her reply in a more positive light.

4. No research requirement. Very little interest in research in general.

5. New children's hospital is about 15 minutes from main campus, so FM rounds will be disrupted by having to travel to another hospital. No one apparently has any idea how this will be dealt with, and were quite honest about it being up in the air.

6. FM residents used by OB/Gyn program to cover weekends. The schedule is a 24 hour shift on Fridays and Sundays, and 12 hour shifts T, W and Th. Most of their shifts are spent in a separate women's hospital within the main hospital (a very confusing and cumbersome situation, having to do with BTLs being done in a Catholic hospital), where volume is fairly low.

7. IM rotation is fairly weak.

There are a number of FMGs in the 2nd and 3rd year, but none in the intern class. My guess is that word is out about what a great city Austin is (and this is obvious by the city's growth rate and traffic problems), and that is what has driven many people's interest in the program.
 
Wouldn't this thread also be the best place for people to share their interview experiences?

That was the intent when I started the thread, but it hasn't really panned out too well, or lots of people haven't started interviewing yet.

I wonder if anonymity is a concern? One way around this might be to let a week or so pass before posting, so other interviews will have taken place in the interim and one's identity might be better protected.
 
OK...here we go with interview #2, Austin Medical Education Program FP Residency:
5. New children's hospital is about 15 minutes from main campus, so FM rounds will be disrupted by having to travel to another hospital. No one apparently has any idea how this will be dealt with, and were quite honest about it being up in the air.

Does this imply that they do not admit any children at the County hospital? I would think that your county hospital might have a small pediatrics ward and then transfer the more complex/critical cases to the Children's hospital. Will your FM (;) I'm learning Kent) attendings have privileges at the Children's Hospital? (Other Children's hospitals I've been involved with have been reluctant to grant full admitting privileges to FM). Or is the plan for the FM residents to spend a month or two rotating on service with the Peds residents at the Children's Hospital?
 
I would disagree with the idea that because they have OB and Peds on staff, they are particularly strong. My program's the same way - OB and Peds on staff that oversee those rotations - and I thought it was a strong part of the program.

After a few months on the ground, I've come to see this type of faculty as better than nothing, but certainly less strong than a Family Medicine doc who specializes in these fields. Example is the my #2-ranked program, Providence-Milwaukie in Portland, OR. Their OB faculty is a Family doc who's done over 700 C-sections. He's done his fellowship and is head of the OB department at the hospital. THAT is strong OB.

Didactics in my program are being parsed out to internists, OB's, Peds, and specialists. Whether implicit or not, this sends the message that the FM faculty have nothing to teach, or aren't as qualified to teach it. This is, I think, an enormous weakness in my program and is similar to most of the FM programs around the country. Fundamentally, I am unable to learn these topics from an FM perspective, which is a true loss in my opinion.

Something to think about on the Great Trail to training nirvana.

Disclaimer in that I'm not FM-trained....One program I considered when I considered FP years ago, had their interns do two core months with the OB Faculty and one core peds month with Pediatrics faculty. I suppose these would be considered "off-service months" and then all subsequent training in these areas was provided by their faculty who were staffing wards. Some of their faculty did do pretty high volume routine OB but they at least seemed to have a good relationship with OB and the OBs did most of the high risk and c-sections. This might be an ideal situation.
 
Does this imply that they do not admit any children at the County hospital? I would think that your county hospital might have a small pediatrics ward and then transfer the more complex/critical cases to the Children's hospital. Will your FM (;) I'm learning Kent) attendings have privileges at the Children's Hospital? (Other Children's hospitals I've been involved with have been reluctant to grant full admitting privileges to FM). Or is the plan for the FM residents to spend a month or two rotating on service with the Peds residents at the Children's Hospital?

The childrens hospital is adjacent to the main adult hospital, and there are no pedi wards in the main building that are separate from Children's. FM residents both follow their continuity patients at Children's while on the FM inpatient service, and also spend 2 months on the pedi wards, with the same patient load and responsibility as the peds residents.

FM faculty have full privileges at Children's. No reluctance that I am aware of.

As far as I know, there will not be a pedi ward in the main county hospital once they make the move. The Pedi ER and all inpatient will move to the new facility, and it will function as the county peds hospital.

The problem is obviously, how do you round on kids on your FM inpatient service? They could do sit-down rounds along with the adults at the main campus, then just the residents with patients at Children's head over there afterwards along with the attending, but you can see how quickly that's going to get really complicated. How will residents have time to pre-round on the kids? And all the back-and-forth...ugh...

My guess is that they will eventually have to give up seeing kids on the FM inpatient service, and admit their clinic patients to the peds residents. This will be unfortunate, because the whole point of the FM inpatient service is continuity between clinic and hospital.

Yet another reason to go unopposed...
 
Some of their faculty did do pretty high volume routine OB but they at least seemed to have a good relationship with OB and the OBs did most of the high risk and c-sections. This might be an ideal situation.

I disagree that having the OBs do c-sections and high risk as an ideal situation for the FM residents. At the programs I am seriously looking at, FM residents get close to 100 sections over the three years. They see high risk, as well. How else are you going to learn? I'm not saying these folks won't refer some higher risk patients to their local OB once out in practice, but an FM doc who can't do sections better not be delivering babies at all.
 
The childrens hospital is adjacent to the main adult hospital, and there are no pedi wards in the main building that are separate from Children's. FM residents both follow their continuity patients at Children's while on the FM inpatient service, and also spend 2 months on the pedi wards, with the same patient load and responsibility as the peds residents.

FM faculty have full privileges at Children's. No reluctance that I am aware of.

As far as I know, there will not be a pedi ward in the main county hospital once they make the move. The Pedi ER and all inpatient will move to the new facility, and it will function as the county peds hospital.

The problem is obviously, how do you round on kids on your FM inpatient service? They could do sit-down rounds along with the adults at the main campus, then just the residents with patients at Children's head over there afterwards along with the attending, but you can see how quickly that's going to get really complicated. How will residents have time to pre-round on the kids? And all the back-and-forth...ugh...

My guess is that they will eventually have to give up seeing kids on the FM inpatient service, and admit their clinic patients to the peds residents. This will be unfortunate, because the whole point of the FM inpatient service is continuity between clinic and hospital.

Yet another reason to go unopposed...

It does sound like a bit of a logistical nightmare Sophie. I also think you may be right that the ultimate result will be that your inpatient service will not include children for logistical reasons. Out of curiosity where is OB in all of this? My residency training institution included a "stand alone" children's hospital (technically since we built a 300m enclosed bridge/walkway to the University Medical Center we are not stand alone) which was where the regional perinatal center was based so all babies were transferred in. It never became a delivery resuscitation experience issue for us because we rotated covering deliveries at our UMC, and our county hospital did a fair amount of high risk OB and had a level 2 NICU and we covered a community based tertiary care hospital that did high risk OB and had a level 3 NICU (we did pretty much everything except ECMO and we transferred CCHD babies to our children's hospital because the peds CV surgeons were all there).

I also tend to agree that unopposed programs are usually stronger. If you have strong IM, Peds, OB etc then there is a tendency for the majority of cases to go in their direction.
 
Fortunately, this was just an interview, and it's a program I'm not likely to rank.

OB is as I described in my original post about the program. It's a confusing arrangement, but at least FM sees and delivers their own continuity patients, and gets some deliveries when they are covering the lower risk patients on OB...again, not at all ideal....
 
I disagree that having the OBs do c-sections and high risk as an ideal situation for the FM residents. At the programs I am seriously looking at, FM residents get close to 100 sections over the three years. They see high risk, as well. How else are you going to learn? I'm not saying these folks won't refer some higher risk patients to their local OB once out in practice, but an FM doc who can't do sections better not be delivering babies at all.

Please note that I didn't actually do post-graduate training at this institution but did do a rotation with their DME and PD at a time when I was still considering FP as a post-grad option. The residents obviously had some c-section exposure and did manage their higher risk patients with supervision from OB attendings rather than their FP attendings. When care was transferred the FP attendings seemed to still follow at least socially. At the time I was there we had a few of those patients laterally transferred and my mentor explained to me that it was just as important to know and be able to admit that you aren't the best person to do something and to get the patient where they needed to go as to be the one "who saved the day". At the end of the day the patient is a lot more important than our ego. Had I ended up doing FP I would have strongly thought about ranking this program #1 because there seemed to be a realistic approach to understanding where limits fell. The reality is we all have them.

As far as FPs doing deliveries and c-sections I'm a big believer that volume is very important. I'm not sure that you can justify having c-sections done by someone who has done 100 if you have OBs handy who have done 200 or more. This was the scenario at the program I mentioned (although I'm not sure that their attendings had done 100 during their residencies). It all depends on where you practice if you are delivering at a hospital with 24 hour OB coverage then you are unlikely to need to do c-sections (and you may find it difficult to get privileges to do c-sections if you want to). Even in rural areas I would favor a model of building a joint OB/FP department. Not all OBs refuse to go to rural areas.
 
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So, I thought I'd get it going.

Where are you interviewing? And afterwards, what did you think? The more specific we are, the more we can help each other and future applicants by sharing info.

I'll start off with my interview offers so far:

1. John Peter Smith (Ft. Worth, TX)
2. Christus Santa Rosa (San Antonio, TX)

My ERAS application is complete except for LORs and Dean's letter.

I've only applied to ten programs--all in So Cal. I've scheduled nine interviews.

So far, I've interviewed at two: USC--San Gabriel Valley (not to be mistaken with USC-California Hospital) and Glendale Adventist.

I was pleasantly surprised at how much I liked the USC-San Gabriel Valley program. The residents seemed very happy, perhaps because they have an excellent call schedule: 6 months in the first year, 4 months in the second year and 1 month in the third year. Contrary to what I had heard, they only do four weeks at County hospital (Pediatics). They do 6 weeks of OB at California hospital, without call (12 hours shifts only!). They get a full four weeks of vacation first year. No call for surgery rotation. Not bad.

All in all, I really liked the people I met. Even the interns I met seemed happy. San Gabriel Valley hospital is a community hospital where the Fam Med residents are totally unopposed.

On the other hand, Glendale didn't impress me as much. The residents kept evading the question of how much call they took first year. By the end of the day, I concluded they took q4/q5 call for 11 months. When I asked about the 80 hr work week, the resident responded by pointing out that it's an 80 hour average over four weeks. Not a good sign.

Also, their main staff on family medicine inpatient is an internal medicine doc, who didn't seem too friendly.

I have interviews coming up at Presbyterian in Whittier, Kaiser L.A., UCLA Harbor and UCLA Santa Monica, White Memorial, Northridge, and Pomona. I'll post updates as I progress through those interviews. Hope this is helpful to somebody out there. And please, please if you interview at any of these programs, let me know what you think as well!!
 
You go Sophie Jane. Continue keeping us updated. I have a feeling that my interviews next year are going to be very similar. I want to stay in Texas as well.

Choco, you and me both!! Maybe we'll see each other on the Texas interview trail next year!
:D
 
OK...here we go with interview #2, Austin Medical Education Program FP Residency

Austin really is a nice medium/large town and David Wright is a Texas legend. I think he was Physician of the Year one time and is known for his devotion to taking care of underserved HIV/AIDS and Hep C patients. I think those two reasons would be reasons I would go to Austin. I think Austin has an up-and-coming program, and I think they are a good program if you are interested in working in suburb/city.

I ended up not picking their program, despite those two reasons. I never understood the rationale for having an opposed FM program at a community hospital. FM residents weren't too happy when they rotated through Pedi from what I remembered. Maybe because pedi inpatient services were very busy, I don't know. A red flag went up when a FM resident told me not to pick their program. I'm surprised that the UTMB OB service hasn't picked up, it's been a couple of years. Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't they work in 3 hospitals, St. David's, Brackenridge, and Children's? Different programs for different residents, but for me maybe because of my attitude or what I wanted, it was a red flag for me when I asked residents why they picked the program, and they all answered for the city of Austin. All I wanted to hear was one resident say they picked it because the training was good, but it just wasn't the first words they said. I'm sure it's a good program; it just wasn't for me which is a shame too because I really liked Austin and would loved to be trained by Dr. Wright.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't they work in 3 hospitals, St. David's, Brackenridge, and Children's?

No more St. David's, which I'd have to put in the pro column as well.

And I neglected Dr.Wright. He is a legend, and probably one of the program's best assets. Unfortunately, Dr. Thomas (a DO who headed the program for a number of years) has moved on, and I think he is missed by many.

I agree with everything you said, lowbudget. It actually makes me feel better about my decision to rank them lower, hearing your impressions that were so much like mine.

I do think they are "up and coming", but they won't be up enough by the time I do my training, and I have to be selfish on this one.
 
INterview: Quite "Iserson's-like", with lots of weird, prepared questions. YOu do review two cases with them, and do a diff off the top of your head. ZVery hospitable and glad you're there though, there is a dinner the night before, they deliver chocolates to your room, and everyone greets you and seems happy to take a minute to meet you, even if they are busy.

Residents: Very friendly, funny, and knowledgeable - I could tell that they like to learn and don't "slack" at improper times. Most, and I mean MOST were FMGs, which was kind of weird for a university affiliated program - you'd think some of their residents would be from the med school that rotates there. Prior to two years ago, most of their residents were US grads, then all of a sudden, ALL FMGs. I trained with many FMGs during rotations and they were awesome, so I'm not putting that down, rather, I am wondering what happened to suddenly change the demographics of the program. I did not figure this out while I was there.

Osteopathic training: No DO residents yet. One DME, no other DO faculty. I did not meet the DME - which as a DO applicant, I was kind of surprised. The MD PD said that they would just have to "bring in the resources" if I were to go there.

OB: Good relationship with most OBs in town. ~60-70 deliveries avg total over three years. Possibility of more if more aggressive (anyone else sick of hearing that), c-section training possible.

Peds: Lowish volume, but excellent didactics, good volume in clinic.

IM: Best part, seems very evidence based, lots of discussion on diffs, attending is part of team and does nothing else on his rotation with the team, so is totally available for teaching.

Clinic: Nice, clean, well-equipped.

Faculty: Friendly, smart, progressive, many projects particularly a big one working on revolutionizing the way that the paperwork flow is handled in an office.

Town: Not bad, has "everything you need", cost of living is super cheap, can get an awesome house on the lake or nice suburb house easily on residents salary.

Overall, I thought they were a good program, but not for me as I want more OB and OMM.
 
Pros:
1. Unopposed community program in a busy urban/suburban (who can tell in Houston?!) hospital.

2. Dedicated, enthusiastic faculty in OB (an FP who did an OB fellowship), pediatrics, and medicine.

3. Nice hospital and clinic facilities.

4. EMR

Cons:
1. Relatively weak-appearing inpatient experience (only 8 weeks total), with somewhat low volume due to the fact that residents only see patients admitted who do not already have a doctor, and of course their continuity patients from the clinic. Most patients are apparently seen by private docs.

2. Many subspecialty rotations (do you really need 4 weeks of CT surgery and 4 weeks of anaesthesia to do FM??), and apparently the teaching on these rotations is hit-and-miss, with residents scutted out on some services.

3. Weak OB onsite, though there is a stronger intern year OB experience at another hospital--downside is that it's about 30 minutes from the program's main hospital.

4. This is the big one: the clinic is moving 30 minutes away from the hospital next year. Nice facility is planned, but that's at least 60 minutes a day, 2-4 x/week that you could be sleeping, relaxing, or with your family. (This is in addition to your normal commute--the neighborhood around the hospital isn't great and most people live 20-30 minutes away, downtown or in a nearby suburb).You are still expected back on the main campus for noon didactics.

5. Houston (sorry Houston fans). It's a hot, humid concrete jungle, with a few bright spots, mostly inside the loop or downtown (the hospital is in a southwestern suburb).

All in all, I just couldn't justify spending that much time in the car, something I detest already, especially when my time is about to become my most precious and scarcest commodity.
 
Nice write up. I understand these were your impressions, but I just wanted to address a couple of points to clarify so people aren't misled. I couldn't resist...

Cons:
1. Relatively weak-appearing inpatient experience (only 8 weeks total), with somewhat low volume due to the fact that residents only see patients admitted who do not already have a doctor, and of course their continuity patients from the clinic. Most patients are apparently seen by private docs..

"8 weeks of Inpatient IM with low-volume": Deceiving and in fact, very false.

1. The number of uninsured is actually quite large, and it's gotten even larger since Katrina. Add to that we see county patients who refuse to go to county because, as they say, it's nicer here. It's a very busy, high volume, high turnover service with some very sick patients.

2. Our inpatient IM service (GIM & ICU) admits every day (q1), which is different from other programs. I would say we average 5-10 patients per night (the record is 30 admits in a night). With 2 interns on service, that makes it 2-5 new patients a day in addition to your own census. By numbers our ER is the 2nd busiest in Houston only to county (Ben Taub). Additionally, we are the medicine consult service for specialists/surgeons who have uninsured on their service.

3. At other programs, you do 4-5 months of inpatient IM, but that's GIM. We split our inpatient IM months with cardiology, pulmonary, etc., where you work 1:1 with the attending which is a great scenario. In total, it is equal if not more than other services. On these specialty months, you do the attendings' clinic, inpatient consults, and inpatient service which may or may not include the ICU which is a lot.

4. You take GIM/ICU/Pedi/OB/GYN call through out the entire year, which is different than other programs where you take call when you're on their service and then you're done for the year. This was a huge plus for me because you maintain your skills throughout the year (like it or not).

5. We are first responders to all emergencies (true ones or not) for the entire hospital at night, regardless of who the attending is (private or otherwise). That includes all House Officer calls (most common ones are CP and SOB). That includes stroke codes (we are the in-house stroke team). That includes all in-house CPR (we run them, we intubate, we do the lines). I think this is standard for completely unopposed programs, but I have interviewed at some where the ER attending runs upstairs to run the code which I think is lame.

Most patients are apparently seen by private docs..

6. False. Most patients in the hospital belong to a private attending (many of whom are on our volunteer faculty list and we do see them either on their service or by request at night when they are crashing). However most patients coming through the ER are NOT admitted to private attendings. In fact, the numbers are EQUAL (1:1) in terms of insured vs. uninsured admits to General Medicine On-Call (insured patients) and us (I know, a nationwide problem). We provide a huge service to the hospital by taking their no-doc-no-pay patients that they can't exist without us and we can't without them. Administration is trying to take our model and replicate it across the entire hospital system.

Despite what you said, the residents actually think the IM component is very strong.

On a separate note, the same thing applies to Pedi, except for Pedi, we take all kids admitted through the ER (q1). Our attending is the only privileged pediatrician, so the service takes all insured and uninsured kids from the community. We have 8 of our own beds for sick kids (which is more than any other programs I interviewed at. A lot of programs send residents to a children's hospital to work under a pedi residency program. We retain our own control). We're uncapped in the nursery, which can be a lot of kids considering the number of drop-ins. We also take all kids whose moms who may have insurance, but don't have a pediatrician picked out yet. Volume is seasonal. Kids get on insurance (Medicaid, if that's insurance) easily, and so we see a lot of kids we deliver in our clinics. The downside is that, while we do have NICU, we don't have a PICU. So a lot of unstable kids get stabilized in the ER and transferred to 1 of the 2 children's hospital in town.

At night, we have a House Officer who works in the ER, an admitting intern who does GIM, Pedi, and newborn admits, a ICU resident who runs the stroke code and takes clinic calls, a OB/Gyn resident, and a senior resident who supervises everyone. That's 5 people in-house at all times. All, but the OB/Gyn resident, make up the CPR code team.

2. Many subspecialty rotations (do you really need 4 weeks of CT surgery and 4 weeks of anaesthesia to do FM??), and apparently the teaching on these rotations is hit-and-miss, with residents scutted out on some services.

I think the subspecialty rotations are actually a strength because they're all so nice (yes, even the CV surgeons), and you learn straight from the specialist who may be more up to date on literature. You also build a relationship with the attending which is a huge plus now and after you graduate and have your own practice. Do you need 4 weeks of CT Surgery? Yes and no. Interns learn how to intubate patients in the OR under controlled environment with supervision before doing it on an unstable patient as an experiment. Airway management is a basic skill that all doctors need to know how to do. In fact, private attendings call on us to come intubate their patients. Anesthesia serve as our back up, so they LOVE to teach us how to intubate so that they don't get called (despite getting paid to take call). The surgeons are the ones who teach you how to do lines and suture, again, basic doctor skills. On surgical rotations, you do both clinic, floor, OR and ICU. You're right, teaching is attending-dependent. Some surgical attending only want to see you in the OR to learn how to intubate, start lines, and suture. Others want you to do see new patients (i.e. consults). When you're in our surgical attending's office, they'll let you do office procedures (excisions) which you then do in your own clinic.

As far as scut work, well, whatever. Seeing new patients is the way we learn at our program, so we do the H&P, come up with a DDx and plan, present to the attending, get taught, and we dictate. If that's scut, fine. You know, this IS residency. I will say there are a handful who will ask you to dictate patients you've never seen. That's scut. We know who those attendings are... and we tend to avoid them.

3. Weak OB onsite, though there is a stronger intern year OB experience at another hospital--downside is that it's about 30 minutes from the program's main hospital.

The OB onsite and the intern year OB are different. Intern year OB is at county where you work under a OB residency. We do it for PURE volume. Your job is to work triage, deliver SVDs, round on postpartums. It's pretty brainless once you get the hang of it, if you ask me. We hit our RRC requirement (30 for 3 years) in that month. On that rotation, you don't manage labor which is actually the interesting part because you're making decisions. At our hospital, you manage everything starting from triage, to labor, to delivery, and to postpartum. That's where the challenge is at because you are the one who works up a third-trimester bleeder, the vag repairs, the baby who's head or shoulder is stuck. OB call here can be scary, but luckily we have 24h in-house OB attending. We take all drop-ins and no docs, many have no prenatal care because they're poor, so you don't know what's coming out of there. And during call, you take ER Gyn call and work up those patients (vag bleed, ab pain). The expectation is that all doctors need to know how to manage low risk OB. So if you're interested in high risk OB and being primary surgeon on C Sections, you need to step up and speak up.

4. This is the big one: the clinic is moving 30 minutes away from the hospital next year. Nice facility is planned, but that's at least 60 minutes a day, 2-4 x/week that you could be sleeping, relaxing, or with your family. (This is in addition to your normal commute--the neighborhood around the hospital isn't great and most people live 20-30 minutes away, downtown or in a nearby suburb).You are still expected back on the main campus for noon didactics.

We currently have 3 clinics, so 2/3 of our residents commute to the hospital anyways. We're hospital heavy during the 1st year, 50/50 during 2nd year, and less so during the 3rd year, so the amount of commuting to and from the hospital isn't as much as you would think. I don't know if you saw, but our clinics are both wired and wireless and we all have laptops with tablet features. The new clinic will be the same way. Consolidated clinic will be interesting because that entire building will be ours. The first floor will be our own radiology and daytime occupational medicine and after-hours urgent care where faculty/residents can moonlight. 2nd floor our clinics, and 3rd floor administration and education. They're talking about doing video conferencing so that you don't have to commute between the hospital and the clinic just to catch conference. Then again, this is Houston. You have to drive everywhere anyways. You're right, the neighborhoods around the hospitals aren't Beverly Hills. But if y'all are interested in the program, we can talk more about where to live on a resident's salary. It all depends on if you are a hipster urbanite wanting to be near the single's scene or a soccer mom wanting the best public school system or el cheapo looking to save a buck or two. You have all these options here in Houston.

5. Houston (sorry Houston fans). It's a hot, humid concrete jungle, with a few bright spots, mostly inside the loop or downtown (the hospital is in a southwestern suburb).

All in all, I just couldn't justify spending that much time in the car, something I detest already, especially when my time is about to become my most precious and scarcest commodity.

Yes, it's hot, humid during the summer and it is very concrete. But I don't think you can compare a city versus a small town, because those are two different things. For a city, though, I think Houston's great and people are really friendly... the snob factor just ain't there. It's diverse, it's fun, it's convenient.

Anyways, that's enough for now. Do I think this place is the best in the country? No. Because I don't think one exist. But personally, I think it's pretty good. If you ask around (faculty, alumni, doctors around Houston), Memorial Hermann's definitely the best one in Houston, and one of the better ones in Texas and the US. We've been lucky, have a really good reputation, and do very well in recruiting every year, and want to keep it that way. I'd be happy to answer questions if anyone's got any.
 
Thanks for clarifying, lowbudget. I guess it goes to show how little you actually learn about a program on an interview.

I interviewed at Memorial because of its strong reputation, and I'm only interviewing at a few programs, so this says a lot for me, actually.

This whole process is very much like finding a house (some call it "mating season", but I think there's actually more at stake than ending up in a bad relationship--that you can just walk away from!)...there are things you just have to have that might be very different from others' priorities. Similarly, there are things you overlook or put up with because you feel the good stuff is worth it.

Didn't intend any misinformation, just sharing what I came away with, and of course highly subjective opinion based on comparisons to what I've seen at other programs.

It's all so very individual, and I think most programs will give you a solid foundation. The devil is in the details. ;)
 
No no. It's not misinformation. Maybe we didn't do a good job explaining how our program works, because it is a lot different from other programs. I think q1 admitting throws people off because they're used to teams of 4 doing q4 call for admissions and taking hand-offs only when the other services cap. We have 1 medicine team, 1 OB/Gyn team, and 1 Pedi team, so you end up admitting every day... throughout the day. Some admits are good and interesting, others are BS. There are good nights and bad nights. The other thing that throws people off is that you take call for Med, or OB, or Pedi throughout the year. So if you're on Surgery or Derm or Rheum, you don't take Surgery or Derm or Rheum call... you take Med, OB, or Pedi call throughout the year (q7). That's also different because at some programs, you take call for their service, may be q4, and then have call-free months. We spread it out throughout the year. During 3rd year, you'll have call-free months. During 2nd year, you may or may not depending on if you do away rotations or not.
 
I think q1 admitting throws people off because they're used to teams of 4 doing q4 call for admissions and taking hand-offs only when the other services cap.

It's not that unusual for an unopposed program--at least at the programs I've visited so far. I just finished a rotation at a program with inpatient service that admits everything and follows everyone, from newborns to peds to ICU patients. They have 16 weeks of inpatient service in 1st year, 8 weeks in 2nd and 8 weeks in 3rd (plus 4 weeks of night float each year), which is more than I've seen at any other program I've looked at. It's intense, but you really get to see it all and learn to manage it all. The only patients they don't follow on inpatient service are private patients, OB/gyn, and kids who are admitted to the pedi service. Fortunately, night float means that you only stay until 9 pm on call days. Gotta love night float! :)

Like I've said before, it's whatever works best for each person's learning style. We are lucky to have so many good programs in Texas.
 
1. St Anthony Hospital, Oklahoma City
2. University of Oklahoma, Oklahoma City
3. Great Plains Family Medicine, Oklahoma City
 
nabeya did you already interview at OKC-OU
 
Hey all, I am only applying to AOA FM residencies and I haven't seen any discussion on this thread about exclusive DO programs. If there is another thread on SDN with this info, then please direct me over there.

Here are the programs I have applied to and interviewed at (in the order I interviewed):

Florida Hospital East Orlando - interviewed in August
Tulsa Regional Medical Center - interviewed in August
Grandview in Dayton, Ohio - interviewed in October
Metro in Grand Rapids, Michigan - interviewed in November
Firelands Regional Medical Center in Sandusky, Ohio - this week
Doctors Hospital in Columbus, Ohio - this week

I was given an interview by Ingham Regional in Lansing, Michigan, but I withdrew my application.

Fortunately for me, I will be done with my interview trail after my interview at Doctors this week.

If anyone has info on any of these programs or would like to know more about them, then feel free to respond or private message me.
 
Re: DO only residencies: I did an EM rotation at Pikeville, KY and got to work with the FM Director there and some of the residents as well. All were very knowledgeable and very friendly. It's an unopposed program so I bet they get great experience. Good bunch of people to work with in my experience.
 
nabeya did you already interview at OKC-OU
Yeah, I interviewed there on 11/15. Nice program, big hospitals, nice clinic, nice residents and faculty. Definitely would be a top choice for family medicine.
 
hey what about great plains..i have heard about this program..have you interviewed there..how does it compare to OU...and what is your top choice out of those three would you say?
 
Hey all, I'm finally off my medicine sub-I so it's off to interviews! Hope the trail is going well for all of you thus far!

This is where I'll be...

4 Boston University
6 U of Tennessee – Knoxville
8 AmMed – Anderson SC
11 Carolinas
13 Moses Cone
15 Palmetto/U of South Carolina
19 South Bend St Josephs
20 Resurrection
21 Advocate Lutheran
22 Macneal

Maybe will see some of you on the trail! Look for the short goofy kid... :oops:
 
Hope to see you on the 6th, slim. Who are your interviews with and who is your resident host? Maybe I can offer some helpful hints.
 
did you get that last question from above?
 
did you get that last question from above?

Newbie,

If you click on a person's screen-name a list of options will appear. The second one on the list is "send a private message to ...". This will enable you to ask someone a question directly and make sure they see it, it's kinda like an SDN email. Try that :thumbup:
 
Pros:
1. unopposed program in a **very** busy community hospital with a good variety of pathology

2. young, enthusiastic faculty (some may see young faculty as a con)

3. new program director is a DO :)

4. very nice benefits package

5. low cost of living, big city nearby

6. inpatient-heavy curriculum (again, some may see this as a con, but I believe the best way to learn outpatient is to do a lot of inpatient)

7. very nice new clinic with EMR that is federally funded by a grant to serve the underserved in the county.

8. protected time for didactics one afternoon a week--the lectures I attended were all well done and very relevant.

9. good subspecialty rotations and apparently good working relationships with local private subspecialists.

Cons:
1. A number of residents don't appear to be very enthusiastic about the program. Maybe they are just tired. But when you are leading a hospital tour, and you keep yawning and don't make even the slightest attempt at small talk, and are acutally condescending on several occasions to the interviewees....well, you know what they say about first impressions.

2. Conroe. It's a bland, crowded suburb. Traffic on the main artery through town is heavy and often congested. There are nice tall trees everywhere (this is Conroe's best feature, actually), and most of the residents live in the Woodlands, the next suburb south, which also has a forest-y feel. I found the Woodlands to be a bizarre sort of plastic "master planned community"...and this is just personal, but I can't stand those types of communities. There is every chain store and restaurant imaginable, but no cool little funky neighborhoods or quality ethnic restaurants, no real downtown. While it's attractive to look at, clean, and convenient, it doesn't appear to have a soul. ;)

3. Conroe is home to the current leader of the KKK. This is not likely to be in their chamber of commerce brochures. There are a LOT of rednecks.

4. Interns don't do admits. I find this sort of bizarre, and it appears to be more of a housekeeping thing than anything, because there is so much work to do on the floor, it's faster for upper levels to do admits. I think there is a lot to learn by admitting patients and doing the initial H&P, but that's just me....

All in all, it once again comes down to location. I guess I suspected this would be the case when ranking programs, but I'm starting to understand how very true this is.
 
hey after the interviews you have been on so far..what do you consider your top choices now?
 
Anybody interviewing in Kansas or Missouri?
 
hey after the interviews you have been on so far..what do you consider your top choices now?

That's top secret info. :) I am so in :love: with my #1 that I don't want to tell anyone about it! Isn't that selfish of me??

I'll tell all after my list is certified in January....
 
That's top secret info. :) I am so in :love: with my #1 that I don't want to tell anyone about it! Isn't that selfish of me??

I'll tell all after my list is certified in January....

:smuggrin:
 
Hope to see you on the 6th, slim. Who are your interviews with and who is your resident host? Maybe I can offer some helpful hints.

Sorry, I hadn't checked the site to get your message! Actually there's no resident host listed on my interview itinerary... I just have a letter stating I will be contacted by phone prior to the interview.

I'm not sure how many of these are interviews and how many are us being talked to about the program... I assume they're interviews... Dr. Stevens, Dr. Spalding, Dr. Blake, and Kelly McDaniel in addition to two resident interviews..

I'll be getting in early afternoon Tuesday and staying through thursday morning. My name is Shane. If you see me, say hi! See you then!
 
Hey, slim, since I knew you were interested in Sports Med I stopped by Nancy's office today to let her know it would be a good idea to let you talk to Dr. Bielak while you are here. He is our Sports Med Fellowship director. He is an awesome doc that loves to teach. He has put his heart and soul into completely revamping that program, and his efforts are starting to show dividends. Add to that the fact that he is a genuinely nice guy. For example, he recently bought an XBOX 360 for the resident's lounge in our clinic. He's just a classy guy all around. I hope you don't mind me intervening like that. I figured since you were a pretty darn good candidate, it would make sense for those people most likely to have an influence on your decision to come here be the ones getting to talk to you at least at some point in the interview day.

Anyway, the rest of your interviews will all be great as well. Dr. Stevens is a very procedure oriented faculty member with a big interest in OB. She is also one of the ones who do colonoscopies here at our hospital. Should be a laid back interview. Dr. Spalding is the director of our Behavioral Medicine Fellowship. He is boarded in Psych, Child and Adolescent Psych, and Family Medicine. Definitely one of my favorite faculty members. Dr. Blake is the program director and he is a great leader and really looks out for the residents best interest. Kelly is a pretty cool girl too. She is one of the office workers, I'm not sure of her exact title. But, she holds an MPH or some medically related degree at any rate. And all the resident interviews are laid back. Really the point of the interviews at our program is to see if you are compatible personality wise. If we invite you for an interview we are already adequately convinced you can cut it academically, so they tend to be low stress laid back interviews as a result.

I hope you enjoy your stay, and I know you will be impressed with our program. My name is Kyle and I hope to meet you on the 6th. Good luck.
 
Anybody interviewing in Kansas or Missouri?

Just finished one in KC at Research. I have UMKC Friday and KUMC on the 22nd. I had invites to Wichita and Columbia but my fiance and I didn't want to interview there....couple's match. Just didn't want to live in either after hearing some people say "they're great programs but not much fun to live there" about both. Research was actually a nice program, unopposed, big hospital.

I also interviewed at St. John's Mercy in St. Louis. Again, really nice program but the future Mrs. wasn't sold on SLU for her interview.
 
I am officially done with all of my interviews! I have interviewed at all 6 programs I applied to, and I definitely know what my #1 program is. I wish the best of luck to all of you on your quest to find your perfect program!
 
Hey, slim, since I knew you were interested in Sports Med I stopped by Nancy's office today to let her know it would be a good idea to let you talk to Dr. Bielak while you are here. He is our Sports Med Fellowship director. He is an awesome doc that loves to teach. He has put his heart and soul into completely revamping that program, and his efforts are starting to show dividends. Add to that the fact that he is a genuinely nice guy. For example, he recently bought an XBOX 360 for the resident's lounge in our clinic. He's just a classy guy all around. I hope you don't mind me intervening like that. I figured since you were a pretty darn good candidate, it would make sense for those people most likely to have an influence on your decision to come here be the ones getting to talk to you at least at some point in the interview day.

Anyway, the rest of your interviews will all be great as well. Dr. Stevens is a very procedure oriented faculty member with a big interest in OB. She is also one of the ones who do colonoscopies here at our hospital. Should be a laid back interview. Dr. Spalding is the director of our Behavioral Medicine Fellowship. He is boarded in Psych, Child and Adolescent Psych, and Family Medicine. Definitely one of my favorite faculty members. Dr. Blake is the program director and he is a great leader and really looks out for the residents best interest. Kelly is a pretty cool girl too. She is one of the office workers, I'm not sure of her exact title. But, she holds an MPH or some medically related degree at any rate. And all the resident interviews are laid back. Really the point of the interviews at our program is to see if you are compatible personality wise. If we invite you for an interview we are already adequately convinced you can cut it academically, so they tend to be low stress laid back interviews as a result.

I hope you enjoy your stay, and I know you will be impressed with our program. My name is Kyle and I hope to meet you on the 6th. Good luck.

No, I don't mind at all! Actually, I really appreciate you doing that. I was hoping to get in touch with him at some point during the day but you never know what certain facultys' schedules are like when you come to interview. So thanks! And thanks for the kind comments!

Tomorrow morning I leave fairly early for my flight into knoxville, don't know if i'll have internet access to read another message from ya but I hope you'll be around for lunch or something.

I emailed nancy since I hadn't heard from any residents yet. Hopefully I can grab dinner with some of you tomorrow.

As you know this is pretty early in the residency trail for me but it's good to hear the process will be laid back. I know it's all about fit both for you guys and for us. See you wednesday!
 
hey what about great plains..i have heard about this program..have you interviewed there..how does it compare to OU...and what is your top choice out of those three would you say?

Great Plains has a really hectic call schedule during intern year, but what makes up for it is the fact that there are no calls at all during 2nd and 3rd year. You could do a lot of moonlighting in that time.

I liked OU too, just a bigger program with alot of residencies in the hospitals. Big facilities.

I have my last interviews next week, Great Plains and OU-Tulsa.
 
Just finished one in KC at Research. I have UMKC Friday and KUMC on the 22nd. I had invites to Wichita and Columbia but my fiance and I didn't want to interview there....couple's match. Just didn't want to live in either after hearing some people say "they're great programs but not much fun to live there" about both. Research was actually a nice program, unopposed, big hospital.

I also interviewed at St. John's Mercy in St. Louis. Again, really nice program but the future Mrs. wasn't sold on SLU for her interview.

I've heard a lot of positive things about research. I've heard good things about UMKC too, but they only filled half their spots last year in the match, seems weird. Haven't really heard anything about KUMC, but their match record is poor too. Columbia is a great program and so is the town. Wichita is a great rural program (that and the junction city program), but you couldn't pay me enough to go to either place.
 
Hey Kyle,

We tried to get ahold of ya yesterday but I hear you were pretty busy. Everyone was great! Thanks for giving me the heads up about your program! We'll see how things go.. still have 8 more interviews (yikes that's a lot...)

Shane
 
Yeah, slim, I'm on night float for OB this week. So, I am always gone by 8 or 9 am. Night float is kinda tough, but our OB rotations here are not bad overall. Heck, from the 22nd of this month through the 1st of January, I only work one 24 hour shift and that is it for that entire time span. So, all in all it's not a bad rotation. And I like OB so that helps.

I am glad you liked everyone. Did you get to talk to Dr. Bielak? I sure hope so. He is a great guy. If you have any further questions about the program or other random things, please feel free to holler at me on here or on private messages or whatever. I should be available to answer questions at any time from here on out. I have already completed all my really hard intern year rotations, so it's all downhill from here for me, thank goodness.

And don't forget to post your insights/evals of our program on here for everyone else. Hopefully it will be good, but it's most important to be honest so that it will be more helpful to everyone that reads it. And it will give me an opportunity to address any percieved weaknesses you saw. Anyway, I look forward to hearing more about your experience here.
 
I've heard a lot of positive things about research. I've heard good things about UMKC too, but they only filled half their spots last year in the match, seems weird. Haven't really heard anything about KUMC, but their match record is poor too.

UMKC was a really nice program. The PD was very active in making good changes to the program. Has a good mix of rural and urban feeling to it. It's not as close to the programs downtown, which comes into play for me with housing and such since the future Mrs. would be based closer to downtown. But it's a really cool looking hospital. I got there at the right time in the morning and the sun was bouncing off all the windows and it looked like a castle on a hill...ha....sounds cheesy but I was impressed. Kind of in the middle of nowhere and then BAM.....giant hospital. Part of the reason they might not have matched completely is they have 12-14 spots a year......which is pretty big and are interviewing about 60 people this year. Research had even better odds......something like 12 spots for upper 30s interviews. I love FP. Both good programs....I'll have a hard time choosing between the two when we rank.
 
UMKC was a really nice program. The PD was very active in making good changes to the program. Has a good mix of rural and urban feeling to it. It's not as close to the programs downtown, which comes into play for me with housing and such since the future Mrs. would be based closer to downtown. But it's a really cool looking hospital. I got there at the right time in the morning and the sun was bouncing off all the windows and it looked like a castle on a hill...ha....sounds cheesy but I was impressed. Kind of in the middle of nowhere and then BAM.....giant hospital. Part of the reason they might not have matched completely is they have 12-14 spots a year......which is pretty big and are interviewing about 60 people this year. Research had even better odds......something like 12 spots for upper 30s interviews. I love FP. Both good programs....I'll have a hard time choosing between the two when we rank.

Holy cow, those odds for Research are great! Would you say the chances for matching at one of those two places would be pretty good for someone who ranks them one and two (obviously scores, grades, blah, blah, all play a role...but generally, how competetive are these two programs).
 
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