Feeling conflicted about podiatry

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I posted a thread last month about applying to dentistry and getting referred to podiatry at AZCPM. I ended up getting accepted at AZCPM and was thrilled about this opportunity after shadowing a podiatrist and learning more about it. I feel like it is a career I will enjoy as I decided to work as an assistant at a podiatry clinic to gain more exposure before I start school in fall of 2023. However, after scrolling through this forum, I can not find a single positive thing being said about podiatry and this is really discouraging, as literally everyone suggests to just apply DO. I feel like it will definitely be harder for me as I am a non-american citizen, so finding jobs in the states will be much harder. I am from Canada, and in Canada, in some provinces podiatrists are not even considered doctors. I am not sure what to do at this point. Is it possible to even defer my acceptance to fall 2024? I am still researching more and planning to learn more first-hand from the podiatrist I'll shadow. They're a couple and the husband does surgeries at a hospital in the states 2 days a week and other days works in their private practice. He used to be the president of Ontario podiatry association so maybe he could help me land jobs in the future. My biggest concern is the job market and the ROI.
Hi! So for ROI, the income numbers are skewed for private practice. I worked at a bank for a few years and they get two "different" incomes for tax purposes. Most businesses follow a model like that, businesses in healthcare, construction, restaurants, etc. So as a business owner they receive a larger salary than they do for being a physician. This only applies to the physicians owning the practice however. As for job market, it varies by state, but there is always going to be a demand for podiatrists as the population in need of foot care is growing rapidly.

Remember!! People usually comment on SDN or reddit when they're upset or angry. Most pod students and podiatrists are happy and content with their studies and work. I'd recommend shadowing like 5 podiatrists, and talking to the students and residents that are there. I spoke to at least 1 student from 5 different podiatry schools, and spoke to residents from 4 different schools before making my decision. I have only heard good things about AZCPM, congrats on getting in!!!

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Hi! So for ROI, the income numbers are skewed for private practice. I worked at a bank for a few years and they get two "different" incomes for tax purposes. Most businesses follow a model like that, businesses in healthcare, construction, restaurants, etc. So as a business owner they receive a larger salary than they do for being a physician. This only applies to the physicians owning the practice however. As for job market, it varies by state, but there is always going to be a demand for podiatrists as the population in need of foot care is growing rapidly.

Remember!! People usually comment on SDN or reddit when they're upset or angry. Most pod students and podiatrists are happy and content with their studies and work. I'd recommend shadowing like 5 podiatrists, and talking to the students and residents that are there. I spoke to at least 1 student from 5 different podiatry schools, and spoke to residents from 4 different schools before making my decision. I have only heard good things about AZCPM, congrats on getting in!!!
A major message on here is there is no guarantee of a good ROI outside of hospital jobs. ROI varies so much from person to person in podiatry versus other professions where you almost know for sure how much you will be paid based on which setting you choose to practice in. For podiatry the most common setting is private practice, and as an associate initially .....please ask around when you shadow and report back. Most will tell you that you need to be an owner or employed by a large organization to do well in this profession.

Did you plan on opening your own office when you enrolled in podiatry school or did you want a job with a good salary, good benefits and lots of vacation and matching of 401K? If you would rather be a small business owner with lots of risk but potentially lots of reward and the one making all the decisions, then perhaps you are a bit more of an entrepreneur and podiatry might work out for you.

Yes there are self employed podiatrists that are doing very well. Those will often keep their "salary" low to avoid payroll taxes on much of their income they receive as distributions. There is no perfect salary survey, but If you think this is the reason it appears so many podiatrists are not doing well, you are wrong.

In podiatry you very often have to create you own opportunities...this is just the way it is. In many other healthcare professions you don't need to create your own opportunity. You already created your opportunity by all the training you completed and will be compensated highly with no worries at all about finding a job and usually finding a job about wherever you want.

RRA by ABFAS with a few years of experience, maybe add a fellowship and being geographically open is close to a guarantee you will get a very good organizational job with a very nice salary and very good benefits in podiatry. Now go figure out the percentage this applies to in our profession and remember you still might have to be geographically open.

You CAN do very well in podiatry in private practice also. It usually requires being an owner and that in turn requires a buy in or opening your own office. Many places do not offer partnership at all or at a fair price if they do. Plenty with average training have done very well in private practice. There are also plenty not doing well. There are also plenty that it took a long time to do well which works against ROI. If you have only a dog and no kids you want to put through college in the future that delay to make a good salary might be OK. Benefits are usually bad to mediocre in private practice which also works against ROI.

I know of no other healthcare profession other than podiatry that requires this cost and length of training and has a poor job market.

The need for podiatry is NOT growing rapidly......this has been falsely promoted for decades and proven false so many times. We are replacing retiring podiatrists with a couple percent growth at best. That is why keeping numbers low in this profession is important. The aging and increasing diabetics are NOT causing unmeet demand for podiatrists. I really wish podiatry was in such demand that everyone was guaranteed a great job.
 
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Private practice owning podiatrists do have some strategies to try reduce taxes, but any sort of idea that this is what produces the stigma that podiatry has low income is laughable. For one thing - none of those strategies are available to the most vulnerable population of podiatrists which is non-owning private practices associates ie. employees. The ROI is low because the income for most people is low and the expenses of school, ownership/partnership etc are too high. Most owners are not secretly rich and masking their wealth for tax avoidance.
 
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I posted a thread last month about applying to dentistry and getting referred to podiatry at AZCPM. I ended up getting accepted at AZCPM and was thrilled about this opportunity after shadowing a podiatrist and learning more about it. I feel like it is a career I will enjoy as I decided to work as an assistant at a podiatry clinic to gain more exposure before I start school in fall of 2023. However, after scrolling through this forum, I can not find a single positive thing being said about podiatry and this is really discouraging, as literally everyone suggests to just apply DO. I feel like it will definitely be harder for me as I am a non-american citizen, so finding jobs in the states will be much harder. I am from Canada, and in Canada, in some provinces podiatrists are not even considered doctors. I am not sure what to do at this point. Is it possible to even defer my acceptance to fall 2024? I am still researching more and planning to learn more first-hand from the podiatrist I'll shadow. They're a couple and the husband does surgeries at a hospital in the states 2 days a week and other days works in their private practice. He used to be the president of Ontario podiatry association so maybe he could help me land jobs in the future. My biggest concern is the job market and the ROI.

I posted a thread last month about applying to dentistry and getting referred to podiatry at AZCPM. I ended up getting accepted at AZCPM and was thrilled about this opportunity after shadowing a podiatrist and learning more about it. I feel like it is a career I will enjoy as I decided to work as an assistant at a podiatry clinic to gain more exposure before I start school in fall of 2023. However, after scrolling through this forum, I can not find a single positive thing being said about podiatry and this is really discouraging, as literally everyone suggests to just apply DO. I feel like it will definitely be harder for me as I am a non-american citizen, so finding jobs in the states will be much harder. I am from Canada, and in Canada, in some provinces podiatrists are not even considered doctors. I am not sure what to do at this point. Is it possible to even defer my acceptance to fall 2024? I am still researching more and planning to learn more first-hand from the podiatrist I'll shadow. They're a couple and the husband does surgeries at a hospital in the states 2 days a week and other days works in their private practice. He used to be the president of Ontario podiatry association so maybe he could help me land jobs in the future. My biggest concern is the job market and the ROI.
I am a first year DPM student, and also considered other professions before deciding on podiatry. Ultimately, you should choose the profession that is the most intriguing to you and the one you see yourself being the most successful in. DO, dentistry, and podiatry are all very different and would give you very different work experiences in the future, so take time to shadow each to determine which is the best for you personally.

To give you some positives about podiatry, here are some of the personal reasons I chose this path.
  1. Strong patient-provider relationship because patient’s often return for regular care or have long-term conditions that require regular visits.
  2. Ability to tailor your practice to what interests you most.
  3. While podiatry focuses on only the foot/ankle, we get to treat all aspects including orthopedic, derm, vascular, etc.
  4. Leave school with a more comprehensive knowledge/understanding of your speciality because most classes tailor directly too podiatry.
Like others have said, take everything you read here with a grain of salt as there are pros/cons to any profession you may chose. Hope this helps!
 
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I am a first year DPM student, and also considered other professions before deciding on podiatry. Ultimately, you should choose the profession that is the most intriguing to you and the one you see yourself being the most successful in. DO, dentistry, and podiatry are all very different and would give you very different work experiences in the future, so take time to shadow each to determine which is the best for you personally.

To give you some positives about podiatry, here are some of the personal reasons I chose this path.
  1. Strong patient-provider relationship because patient’s often return for regular care or have long-term conditions that require regular visits.
  2. Ability to tailor your practice to what interests you most.
  3. While podiatry focuses on only the foot/ankle, we get to treat all aspects including orthopedic, derm, vascular, etc.
  4. Leave school with a more comprehensive knowledge/understanding of your speciality because most classes tailor directly too podiatry.
Like others have said, take everything you read here with a grain of salt as there are pros/cons to any profession you may chose. Hope this helps!
1. Dude you clip their toenails. You are not managing their blood pressure or their diabetes letting them live another decade to enjoy seeing their grandkids grow up. If you are doing MSK it is not different than ortho. Solve the problem then buh bye.
2. No, local politics/trends/competition/LUCK will dictate what type of practice you have.
3. Yeah but so what
4. You leave school & RESIDENCY with more understanding of your speciality with LESS understanding of the rest of medicine. EDIT and this does not make you a better physician. It makes you a specialist with a handicap.

We are not the admission committee here, quit trying to blow smoke.
 
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I am a first year DPM student

I don't blame you for thinking this way- I did too. No matter what school it is I believe this quote is applicable: "believe nothing you hear and only half of what you see"-Edgar Allen Poe. Maybe even believe only a quarter of what you see.

Do well in school and be cautious of things your school says- most of the time they're just trying to keep you happy and blind you from reality. It makes their job easier. The school's agendas are not in your best interest, which includes taking as much money as possible for the minimal amount of training. Our school told us it didn't matter what our grades were, if you passed the boards the first time, everyone gets good training and does what they want in terms of their practice. This couldn't be further from the truth.

Real-world podiatry is different, but that doesn't mean you can't have good practice with good grades, good residency training, people skills, and some luck like airbud was saying. It certainly isn't as simple as MD, DO, and DMD where they can just open up shop anywhere, especially with OP being from Canada. Too many hoops to jump through for 110k a year.
 
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I am a first year DPM student, and also considered other professions before deciding on podiatry. Ultimately, you should choose the profession that is the most intriguing to you and the one you see yourself being the most successful in. DO, dentistry, and podiatry are all very different and would give you very different work experiences in the future, so take time to shadow each to determine which is the best for you personally.

To give you some positives about podiatry, here are some of the personal reasons I chose this path.
  1. Strong patient-provider relationship because patient’s often return for regular care or have long-term conditions that require regular visits.
  2. Ability to tailor your practice to what interests you most.
  3. While podiatry focuses on only the foot/ankle, we get to treat all aspects including orthopedic, derm, vascular, etc.
  4. Leave school with a more comprehensive knowledge/understanding of your speciality because most classes tailor directly too podiatry.
Like others have said, take everything you read here with a grain of salt as there are pros/cons to any profession you may chose. Hope this helps!
I was like this until my preceptor double booked patients recently cause instead of pretending to be dumb and clueless to get out of being a nail monkey, I worked hard and now he suddenly felt he can maximize more debridement cause now he's getting income from the school, and the fact that I help him cut nails cause according to him, "I can now focus on other stuff while I have students here to do nails and calluses".

Stay tune for more Podiatry related FML moments.
 
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Hello. I am a residency director, and one of our past residents is Canadian. He completed a fellowship in diabetic limb salvage and now works in North Carolina. I know Dr. James Hill very well from your post. He is an excellent resource; I can arrange that for you if you would like to connect with him. The residents graduating from our program in Indy find outstanding employment opportunities throughout the country. The profession has exceeded my expectations. I truly love what I do and am thankful for the many opportunities podiatry has provided me. I am happy to chat anytime you would like if you want some more information.
 
I would love to see how long these new posters are going to hang around. I'm guessing some of them will be recruitment committee/program coordinators

We’ll continue to have new posters popping up here saying how it’s okay to be a Canadian applicant

Why not try to hook in a whole new batch of applicants from across the border when total applicant #s are dwindling?
 
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Hello. I am a residency director, and one of our past residents is Canadian. He completed a fellowship in diabetic limb salvage and now works in North Carolina. I know Dr. James Hill very well from your post. He is an excellent resource; I can arrange that for you if you would like to connect with him. The residents graduating from our program in Indy find outstanding employment opportunities throughout the country. The profession has exceeded my expectations. I truly love what I do and am thankful for the many opportunities podiatry has provided me. I am happy to chat anytime you would like if you want some more information.
Thank you Dr. DeHeer for your reply. I started working in Dr. James Hill's office and his wife Dr. Millicent Vorkapich-Hill and I've loved their hospitality and enjoyed my experience there as they suggested I work with them to get some experience prior to school. So far, all Canadians I've spoken with have been loving their podiatry experience, especially when they work in podiatry-recognized provinces like Alberta and British Columbia so I am very confident in my decision on pursuing podiatry. It's reassuring to see you accept some Canadian residents in your program, so I will definitely take a shot and apply when the time comes.
 
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