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Whats better- A DO or a MD from a caribbean school. I got accepted into Ross and waitlisted into SGU. But im also applying to DO schools. I have an interview next month but I cant decide what is better? Im really confused.
If anyone is in the same boat or can help with my situation. I would greatly appreciate it!
thank you

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do a search. This has been debated over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over (get the picture?)

easy answer = there is no answer
 
Whats better- A DO or a MD from a caribbean school. I got accepted into Ross and waitlisted into SGU. But im also applying to DO schools. I have an interview next month but I cant decide what is better? Im really confused.
If anyone is in the same boat or can help with my situation. I would greatly appreciate it!
thank you

get admitted to a DO school first...then you can ponder on that issue....
 
get admitted to a DO school first...then you can ponder on that issue....

You got waitlisted to SGU and an interview at a DO school, what is your stats? And the only reason you should go to a Carib School over a DO school is if you cant stand the DO title and have insecurity with the title. Every other aspect from easier loans to easier and more stable living conditions and academic comfort go DO if you had the choice. But like the previous poster wrote, get accepted first than ponder the choices...
 
Well I have been accepted to a DO school already. I just have another interview next month for a school I would really considering attending. I got waitlisted for the SGU Jan class bc I applied late (beg. of oct) but I am now considered for the AUG 07 class.
 
Well I have been accepted to a DO school already. I just have another interview next month for a school I would really considering attending. I got waitlisted for the SGU Jan class bc I applied late (beg. of oct) but I am now considered for the AUG 07 class.

Well in that case...your decision should be based on whether you want to enter primary care or not. If yes...go DO ...you will be very happy!
 
You got waitlisted to SGU and an interview at a DO school, what is your stats? And the only reason you should go to a Carib School over a DO school is if you cant stand the DO title and have insecurity with the title. Every other aspect from easier loans to easier and more stable living conditions and academic comfort go DO if you had the choice. But like the previous poster wrote, get accepted first than ponder the choices...

OH Boy not a good reason really, how about the Philosophy of DO verses MD, DO is different, they believe in different treatments at times, thats the turn off for me. You can treat the whole patient without OMM! Thats what I plan to do as an MD. Also what if you want to practice anywhere in the world (Excet California LOL) Then MD is the way to go Caribbean or not, really those are the good reasons. Boy!:cool:
 
Well in that case...your decision should be based on whether you want to enter primary care or not. If yes...go DO ...you will be very happy!
well....the only concrete thing I can say about this question is..... its gonna get ugly....

People have their personal biases and a lot invested in their choices.....so don't expect too many legit answers in this forum
 
OH Boy not a good reason really, how about the Philosophy of DO verses MD, DO is different, they believe in different treatments at times, thats the turn off for me. You can treat the whole patient without OMM! Thats what I plan to do as an MD. Also what if you want to practice anywhere in the world (Excet California LOL) Then MD is the way to go Caribbean or not, really those are the good reasons. Boy!:cool:

I was wondering how difficult it would be to practice medicine in other countries if you held a D.O. Looks like you answered my question.:thumbup:
 
here is the real list of practice rights:
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=107627
Remember that obtaining a permanent license in another country is not a simple task for a US (or carib) trained MD or DO if you were not trained in that country. Medical Missions will take either degree in every country....but a full license is often a case by case issue in many foreign countries. The issue is far from cut and dry based on degree alone.
 
here is the real list of practice rights:
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=107627
Remember that obtaining a permanent license in another country is not a simple task for a US (or carib) trained MD or DO if you were not trained in that country. Medical Missions will take either degree in every country....but a full license is often a case by case issue in many foreign countries. The issue is far from cut and dry based on degree alone.
WHile I agree with the general statement, the MD degree and the WHO listing is the most important things you need, as on that list ( which I looked at in total) There are still many countries that do not License DO or limited practice for a DO. So still for international medicine MD is better all around, BTW on this stage US and Caribbean are about equal LOL!
 
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I was wondering more about volunteer type work, thanks for that Taus.
 
WHile I agree with the general statement, the MD degree and the WHO listing is the most important things you need, as on that list ( which I looked at in total) There are still many countries that do not License DO or limited practice for a DO. So still for international medicine MD is better all around, BTW on this stage US and Caribbean are about equal LOL!
agreed....I was just trying to point out that it isn't so cut and dry
 
I was wondering more about volunteer type work, thanks for that Taus.
Do you mean as a Doc? DO's may still have some trouble but that is changing, Look I think the restrictions are silly really.
 
You can treat the whole patient without OMM! Thats what I plan to do as an MD. :cool:


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I think 95% of all DOs would say the same thing. There is no difference in the training, except that DOs take some extra classes in OMM.
 
Do you mean as a Doc? DO's may still have some trouble but that is changing, Look I think the restrictions are silly really.
As a DO there are 100% no problems w/ medical missions, medicine sans fronteirs and the other major organizations. The actual license is as I explained below. Different issues.
 
As a DO there are 100% no problems w/ medical missions, medicine sans fronteirs and the other major organizations. The actual license is as I explained below. Different issues.


Are you sure with this statement, 2 years ago I dug deep and found out that in some instances DO's can only be consultants not hands on.

One thought I have, the License to practice medicine must be held in order to practice in anyway as a Doctor in the USA and this includes disasters, so you are saying that if a DO goes on a mission to a country they are not recognized to practice in, then its fine to practice as long as they are with this group? Funny but it's not allowed in some countries in that capacity I know this for sure,

so please explain this. :confused:
 
http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/volunteer/field/faq.cfm

Does MSF consider Doctors of Osteopathy?
Yes, as long as applicants fulfill the other minimum requirements, i.e. completion of residency and appropriate licensure.

http://www.oucom.ohiou.edu/currents/archives/2002-2003/jan-feb/Doctors%20Without Borders.htm

Daniel F. Dickriede, D.O., a member of the Nobel Peace Prize-winning humanitarian relief organization, Doctors Without Borders, and a 1987 graduate of Ohio University College of Osteopathic Medicine, presented "International Medicine: On the Medical Frontlines" on Tuesday, Dec. 3, from 5:15 to 8 p.m. in Irvine 194. The presentation was sponsored by OU-COM's International Medicine Club, with help from the Dean's Office, Office of Alumni Affairs and the Centers for Osteopathic Research and Education.

Dickriede, an emergency room physician based in Cleveland, discussed what it's like to be a doctor performing medical relief work in the Third World.

"One of the reasons I went to medical school was to pursue international medicine," said Dickriede. He said he was inspired by his brother, who worked in the Peace Corps and is currently an African foreign affairs analyst for the U.S. State Department.

"Doctors Without Borders is one of the first relief organizations into war-torn or naturally devastated areas and one of the last ones out as well. We try to work with military precision, although often clashing with governments because of our commitment to neutrality. We've provided medical aid to more than 80 countries across the globe," he said. Doctors Without Borders is also well known as Médecins Sans Frontières or MSF. Dickriede joined the internationally known organization in 1992.

Founded in 1971, the French-based Doctors Without Borders specializes in providing emergency medical assistance to crisis spots in underdeveloped nations or areas. The organization has 18 offices worldwide and each year sends more than 2,500 volunteer professionals, including physicians, nurses and other health-care specialists, logistics experts, water and sanitation engineers, and administrators, to sites of disaster.

Dickriede made his first international relief trip in his fourth-year of medical school, traveling to Philippines with Direct Relief International. His international relief work continued when he signed up for a six-month commitment to Doctors Without Borders. That "six-month" commitment ended 2 years later.

Spending the bulk of the two-year stint in Africa, he worked in north Uganda, Rwanda, Zaire and Somalia. His work included treating refugees and setting up a health-care system that could serve thousands of refugees.

Dickriede found that the practice of international medicine has some inherent challenges as well, such as language barriers. A native English speaker with some fluency in French, he learned that creativity in communication was a crucial part of his treatment of Third World refugees.

"In one situation, we found that every tribe had its own dialect, and sometimes we would have to translate through a dialect that was several tribes removed from that of our patients," Dickriede said. "We had to try to find someone to translate or just use signs — but that was half the fun."

"I went on three exploratory missions to countries to assess the need for Doctors Without Borders assistance, including to Rwanda, during the genocidal conflict, and to Zaire, during a meningitis outbreak, and I've gone on a relief mission involving a cholera outbreak Afghanistan," he said.

Dickriede also worked above the Arctic Circle, accompanied by his wife, in Alaska for 6 months, serving 15 Eskimo villages in an area the size of Indiana.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=107627

Uganda is a country that has denied pracatice rights to US DOs.
 
so you are saying that if a DO goes on a mission to a country they are not recognized to practice in, then its fine to practice as long as they are with this group?

so please explain this. :confused:

thats exactly right...as far as I've ever heard or read....I'm not an expert on the subject
 
Ok I see that, it is one organization so, would this be it? I dunno?


To the other poster I meant what I said, you choose DO you choose a philosophy too, so you are telling me you go into DO thinking that philosophy is crap and that they should teach and you will practice like an MD? Seems very deceptive to me.( But who cares because this was second choice anyway right??? I do not think DO schools like that students think that way) :cool:
 
Another advantage for choosing D.O. is that you'd be able to apply to D.O. residency programs and this could increase your chances for matching at competitive specialties (Ortho, Neurosurgery, etc.). Though, if you are set on primary-care specialties (IM, Peds, etc.), this may not be a big deal to you. Also, attending a D.O school would mean staying in the US! Not having to deal with the island living condition is, at least for me, a very important thing to consider. In addition, by going to a US school, you might have an easier time getting all the loans you need (though I am not quite sure about this one). All in all, D.O. does have some advantages over Caribbean. Having said that, I do not think that I would apply to D.O. schools. This is simply because I am certain that I'll end up practicing medicine overseas (probably in some country in SE Asia) and from what I have gathered (talking to local physicians and other professionals) D.O.'s are still relatively unknown. Even worse, some view D.O.'s as chiropractors. I guess I cannot blam them for not knowing what D.O. is because even (some) people in the states are still ignorant about this profession. In my opinion, as a D.O., you might encounter some problems in countries where every physician is a M.D. It'd be difficult to explain what your degree is.
 
I would recommend getting both. That way you have all of your bases covered
 
Also, attending a D.O school would mean staying in the US! Not having to deal with the island living condition is, at least for me, a very important thing to consider.

A lot of people list that as a reason not to go, but for me it was the opposite when considering carib vs DO. I found the idea of experiencing a different environment exciting, and honestly, I had some of the best experiences of my life down there (everyone at SGU should go waterfall jumping at seven sisters falls!). Sure, the living conditions aren't luxurious, but they're not the horror that a lot of people tend to imagine and I think they're pretty comparable to some of the places I've lived in the US. And now I can tell people that I studied medicine in an underdeveloped country rather than I studied medicine in Stratford, NJ. Not that there's anything wrong with NJ, it's just not as interesting ;)

Anyways, I guess that all just goes along with the "there is no right answer" and "the right decision varies from person to person" themes.
 
Another advantage for choosing D.O. is that you'd be able to apply to D.O. residency programs and this could increase your chances for matching at competitive specialties (Ortho, Neurosurgery, etc.). Though, if you are set on primary-care specialties (IM, Peds, etc.), this may not be a big deal to you. Also, attending a D.O school would mean staying in the US! Not having to deal with the island living condition is, at least for me, a very important thing to consider. In addition, by going to a US school, you might have an easier time getting all the loans you need (though I am not quite sure about this one). All in all, D.O. does have some advantages over Caribbean. Having said that, I do not think that I would apply to D.O. schools. This is simply because I am certain that I'll end up practicing medicine overseas (probably in some country in SE Asia) and from what I have gathered (talking to local physicians and other professionals) D.O.'s are still relatively unknown. Even worse, some view D.O.'s as chiropractors. I guess I cannot blam them for not knowing what D.O. is because even (some) people in the states are still ignorant about this profession. In my opinion, as a D.O., you might encounter some problems in countries where every physician is a M.D. It'd be difficult to explain what your degree is.


Oh Boy not to burst any bubbles here but DO may really not increase Residency possibilities a lot, there are MD residencies that will not take DO grads and they are the Competitive ones mostly. Getting loans, Prey tell how it makes it easier since gov loans are not credit based and the other companies like Sallie Mae ( my school has) is strictly your credit score? You mean ( even though credit score is the only way to get the loan) "Magic" is done and you will get the loan? These companies do not care if you go to school on a cruise ship if it is a school the lend money for, its your credit score baby!!!!:smuggrin: ( I still say US schools are not "all that" in reality")
 
Oh Boy not to burst any bubbles here but DO may really not increase Residency possibilities a lot, there are MD residencies that will not take DO grads and they are the Competitive ones mostly. Getting loans, Prey tell how it makes it easier since gov loans are not credit based and the other companies like Sallie Mae ( my school has) is strictly your credit score? You mean ( even though credit score is the only way to get the loan) "Magic" is done and you will get the loan? These companies do not care if you go to school on a cruise ship if it is a school the lend money for, its your credit score baby!!!!:smuggrin: ( I still say US schools are not "all that" in reality")
I don't want to engage in a debate here but I think most people are referring to the option of residencies that are open to DO's only. Here is the list of residencies that are run by my DO school: http://www.pcom.edu/Graduate_Medical_Education/Residency_Programs/Residency_Programs.html and hVere are all of the DO programs in the country:
http://opportunities.aoa-net.org/search/search.cfm?searchType=1&CFID=819002&CFTOKEN=94542214

We can argue all day long about who has better odds in competative allo programs....and we will get nowhere b/c its regional, hospital specific and everyone knows someone who knows someone who got into Derm at Harvard or wherever.... But you can't discount the ability of having the DO programs to match into
 
Oh Boy not to burst any bubbles here but DO may really not increase Residency possibilities a lot, there are MD residencies that will not take DO grads and they are the Competitive ones mostly. Getting loans, Prey tell how it makes it easier since gov loans are not credit based and the other companies like Sallie Mae ( my school has) is strictly your credit score? You mean ( even though credit score is the only way to get the loan) "Magic" is done and you will get the loan? These companies do not care if you go to school on a cruise ship if it is a school the lend money for, its your credit score baby!!!!:smuggrin: ( I still say US schools are not "all that" in reality")

Dude, did you read the following part about the loan? I said "though I am not quite sure about this one"! Stop blindly arguing with anyone who does not share your obsession with Caribb med schools! It is great that you LOVE your school and being a Caribb grad and all, but there is no need to go around blindly quoting other posts just to make going to Caribb school look more credible. About D.O. residencies, at least they have an OPTION to enter their own match. That is something that people who are not dead-set on primary care (like yourself) should consider. By the way, please drop that "US schools are not all that" stuff because that is just simply a false statement. If they are "not all that", then why would pre-meds go through all the torture just to get a chance to interview at these "not-all-that" US schools? I do not personally think that anyone in their right state of mind would set out on pre-med journey thinking that Caribb schools are the first choice! You can deny that all you want but deep down you know that it's true. I am not a cheerleader for D.O. schools. In fact, I would not apply to one and would probably go to Carrib if all else fails. But I just do not understand why some people just cannot accept the fact that there are good things about D.O. too. Just to borrow your catch phrase, Caribb schools are "not all that" too.
 
there are MD residencies that will not take DO grads and they are the Competitive ones mostly.

same could be said of carib grads, so in a carib MD vs DO debate, it's kind of a pointless comment.


and about the loans, i'm pretty sure you get more federal loans going to a US school than foreign. i know i only got 18,500 going to sgu, and checking the pcom site, it says they can get 40,500. sure, you'd still have to get private loans if you need to cover everything, but you don't have to get as much, hence it could be considered "easier."
 
Oh Boy not to burst any bubbles here but DO may really not increase Residency possibilities a lot, there are MD residencies that will not take DO grads and they are the Competitive ones mostly. Getting loans, Prey tell how it makes it easier since gov loans are not credit based and the other companies like Sallie Mae ( my school has) is strictly your credit score? You mean ( even though credit score is the only way to get the loan) "Magic" is done and you will get the loan? These companies do not care if you go to school on a cruise ship if it is a school the lend money for, its your credit score baby!!!!:smuggrin: ( I still say US schools are not "all that" in reality")

Now that is comedy
 
Now that is comedy

Glad you find humor in Facts that matter...........................I find funny that DO's are always defending themselves......................
 
same could be said of carib grads, so in a carib MD vs DO debate, it's kind of a pointless comment.


and about the loans, i'm pretty sure you get more federal loans going to a US school than foreign. i know i only got 18,500 going to sgu, and checking the pcom site, it says they can get 40,500. sure, you'd still have to get private loans if you need to cover everything, but you don't have to get as much, hence it could be considered "easier."


Not Pointless cause the propaganda that DO is "Better" is not true it depends on each case, there is no general rule. Someone must post reality here!;)
 
Dude, did you read the following part about the loan? I said "though I am not quite sure about this one"! Stop blindly arguing with anyone who does not share your obsession with Caribb med schools! It is great that you LOVE your school and being a Caribb grad and all, but there is no need to go around blindly quoting other posts just to make going to Caribb school look more credible. About D.O. residencies, at least they have an OPTION to enter their own match. That is something that people who are not dead-set on primary care (like yourself) should consider. By the way, please drop that "US schools are not all that" stuff because that is just simply a false statement. If they are "not all that", then why would pre-meds go through all the torture just to get a chance to interview at these "not-all-that" US schools? I do not personally think that anyone in their right state of mind would set out on pre-med journey thinking that Caribb schools are the first choice! You can deny that all you want but deep down you know that it's true. I am not a cheerleader for D.O. schools. In fact, I would not apply to one and would probably go to Carrib if all else fails. But I just do not understand why some people just cannot accept the fact that there are good things about D.O. too. Just to borrow your catch phrase, Caribb schools are "not all that" too.

DUDE? Wow that will get you far...........I like facts, I'm a MSII at a Caribbean school not a premed. SO yeah I have spent years researching the facts about all these schools and living it. There are so many MYTHS about Caribbean, DO and US schools that it boggels the mind.

I post facts as I know them and no I'm not always right, but when someone posts a negative that is not true shouldn't the truth be posted for the other premeds? Or should we just "Let it Go" to keep the truth from everyone?

Oh I never Posted that Caribbean schools are a first choice! I know I didn't stop making things up!
 
I don't want to engage in a debate here but I think most people are referring to the option of residencies that are open to DO's only. Here is the list of residencies that are run by my DO school: http://www.pcom.edu/Graduate_Medical_Education/Residency_Programs/Residency_Programs.html and hVere are all of the DO programs in the country:
http://opportunities.aoa-net.org/search/search.cfm?searchType=1&CFID=819002&CFTOKEN=94542214

We can argue all day long about who has better odds in competative allo programs....and we will get nowhere b/c its regional, hospital specific and everyone knows someone who knows someone who got into Derm at Harvard or wherever.... But you can't discount the ability of having the DO programs to match into

Nope not arguing just posting from a Caribbean school (MSII) and giving perspective. I agree that DO has it's advantages but disagree that it's "better " then lets say going to SGU, Ross, AUC or SABA. These 4 Caribbean schools give you a good shot at a good MD career. SO it may be equal at the current time or Caribbean may be a choice over DO if the individual wants an MD.
 
Glad you find humor in Facts that matter...........................I find funny that DO's are always defending themselves......................
so I should just sit back and watch people pass on wrong information?

getting upset and offended about it is one thing... I don't think providing accurate information is being defensive
 
Nope not arguing just posting from a Caribbean school (MSII) and giving perspective. I agree that DO has it's advantages but disagree that it's "better " then lets say going to SGU, Ross, AUC or SABA. These 4 Caribbean schools give you a good shot at a good MD career. SO it may be equal at the current time or Caribbean may be a choice over DO if the individual wants an MD.
for the record I never said it was "better"....just pointed out some advantages that I deem important.....just as you pointed out the advantages that you perceive as important to you....hug:)?
 
so I should just sit back and watch people pass on wrong information?

getting upset and offended about it is one thing... I don't think providing accurate information is being defensive

No I have a lot of respect for you and have read a lot of your posts, I do not think you post anything but facts, I think you do a good job I can only hope to as well........................................................:thumbup:
 
for the record I never said it was "better"....just pointed out some advantages that I deem important.....just as you pointed out the advantages that you perceive as important to you....hug:)?

Yeah I agree you do know way more about DO than I do, thats good! :thumbup:

I do not think this is a bad topic just a hard topic to discuss cause there are many "MYTHS" on both of these and some of these have been put to rest here on both sides:thumbup:

BTW the research I did was not to post it here or other places it was for myself because I did not want to borrow up to 200k and not be able to practice found out its GOOD! I will in the end!
 
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