Are W-2 physicians being suckered?

[BobLoblaw78]

You ever read Dune?

Read it a couple of times but I apparently missed what you are alluding to. Please explain softly.

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[MitchLevi]

Reading that 4% have pedophilic urges scares the crap out of me (admittedly less scary as I get older-lol). But it is really scary to see that pedophilia "urges" is seemingly being normalized w/ this post (unless I am missing the tone of your post, but I really did not want to click on that link and make some list)

It is probably not uncommon for some adults to harbor sexual feelings towards minors. The language here gets weird IMO...

It is probably normal in an evolutionary sense for an adult (keep in mind 18 yo is adult) to pursue sex with a minor (younger than 18).

This has been normal throughout the history of mankind. Men marrying teenagers is normal and without issue until modern society invented 18 yo as a cutoff.

If you're 18 and get caught with a 16 yo, you're a pedophile in the eyes of the law, and BTW that is a senior in HS sleeping with a junior...

Pedophile does not merely refer to a 57 yo creep and a 12 yo.

I'm not defending ANYONE. If you get busted in one of these egregious cases of kiddie porn and molestation you should go away forever IMO. Zero tolerance.

 

[Baron Samedi]

Read it a couple of times but I apparently missed what you are alluding to. Please explain softly.

Mentioned it a bit later on but to quote Herbert directly, "Beware of heroes. Much better rely on your own judgment, and your own mistakes."

As in, anyone expecting Musk to be some beacon of hope is likely going to be disappointed.

 

[BobLoblaw78]

It is probably not uncommon for some adults to harbor sexual feelings towards minors. The language here gets weird IMO...

It is probably normal in an evolutionary sense for an adult (keep in mind 18 yo is adult) to pursue sex with a minor (younger than 18).

This has been normal throughout the history of mankind. Men marrying teenagers is normal and without issue until modern society invented 18 yo as a cutoff.

If you're 18 and get caught with a 16 yo, you're a pedophile in the eyes of the law, and BTW that is a senior in HS sleeping with a junior...

Pedophile does not merely refer to a 57 yo creep and a 12 yo.

I'm not defending ANYONE. If you get busted in one of these egregious cases of kiddie porn and molestation you should go away forever IMO. Zero tolerance.

I get what you are saying and agree on the similar age, etc. But if you have an uncontrollable psychological condition that makes you prey on/pursue inappropriate relationships or media despite the consequences....you got some major issues.

 

[Baron Samedi]

It is probably not uncommon for some adults to harbor sexual feelings towards minors. The language here gets weird IMO...

It is probably normal in an evolutionary sense for an adult (keep in mind 18 yo is adult) to pursue sex with a minor (younger than 18).

This has been normal throughout the history of mankind. Men marrying teenagers is normal and without issue until modern society invented 18 yo as a cutoff.

If you're 18 and get caught with a 16 yo, you're a pedophile in the eyes of the law, and BTW that is a senior in HS sleeping with a junior...

Pedophile does not merely refer to a 57 yo creep and a 12 yo.

I'm not defending ANYONE. If you get busted in one of these egregious cases of kiddie porn and molestation you should go away forever IMO. Zero tolerance.

The term you are describing is ephebophilia -- attraction to adolescents. Pedophilia refers to attraction to preadolescents.

 

[MitchLevi]

I get what you are saying and agree on the similar age, etc. But if you have an uncontrollable psychological condition that makes you prey on/pursue inappropriate relationships or media despite the consequences....you got some major issues.

Agree 100% and you need counseling and prison forever if you act on it.

 

[MitchLevi]

The term you are describing is ephebophilia -- attraction to adolescents. Pedophilia refers to attraction to preadolescents.

???

How in the name of Zeus do you know that?

In that sense, if you act on a desire to have sex with a preadolescent you get prison forever.

 

[BobLoblaw78]

Mentioned it a bit later on but to quote Herbert directly, "Beware of heroes. Much better rely on your own judgment, and your own mistakes."

As in, anyone expecting Musk to be some beacon of hope is likely going to be disappointed.

Couldn't agree more.

It took a couple times of looking up to "idols" to only see them come crashing down to realize that all heroes are unfortunately human. I guess on the upside, we are all capable of great things

 

[Baron Samedi]

???

How in the name of Zeus do you know that?

In that sense, if you act on a desire to have sex with a preadolescent you get prison forever.

I'm married to a psychiatrist.

 

[Doctodd]

So its "choosing not to buy" when its causes/views you don't support and "cancelling" when its causes/views you do?

Were country radio stations "choosing not to buy" the Dixie Chicks when they were mass blacklisted after their comments regarding the War in Iraq?

i dont think we are agreeing on the scale. Twitter and Facebook and liberal media reach tens of MILLIONS of people. Choosing not to buy is my personal choice....my freedom to choose. This isnt a new phenomenon.....it's just been mass produced recently.

As for Elon Musk, i dont think he will be micromanaging Twitter. If anything, the opposite.....with complete transparency of the algorithm.

Not sure why liberals are so afraid of free speech. I dont buy the "yelling fire in a movie theater" analogy. Sophistry.

 

[Agast]

Mentioned it a bit later on but to quote Herbert directly, "Beware of heroes. Much better rely on your own judgment, and your own mistakes."

As in, anyone expecting Musk to be some beacon of hope is likely going to be disappointed.

He can’t be all that bad. Amber never pooped his bed.

 

[Doctodd]

Couldn't agree more.

It took a couple times of looking up to "idols" to only see them come crashing down to realize that all heroes are unfortunately human. I guess on the upside, we are all capable of great things

Like so many celebrities......Michael Jackson?

 

[hyperalgesia]

Most of the social media platforms consider CNN to be a "trusted" news source. I think that says it all.

 

[Doctodd]

He can’t be all that bad. Amber never pooped his bed.

one is bat **** crazy. Seems like Johnny Depp is fighting the good fight against the media and wokeness....at great cost.

 

[SSdoc33]

Reading that 4% have pedophilic urges scares the crap out of me (admittedly less scary as I get older-lol). But it is really scary to see that pedophilia "urges" is seemingly being normalized w/ this post (unless I am missing the tone of your post, but I really did not want to click on that link and make some list)

there was no "tone"

just statistics

 

[Baron Samedi]

I think baron asked about Covid funds used for crt…..here is one story. It’s not a stretch.

Why was COVID relief cash spent on promoting CRT in schools?

“Over $46 billion of American Rescue Plan funds have been allocated to implement critical race theory into the school curriculum of 13 states,” a report by conservative PAC One Nation says.

nypost.com

Does not seem like something I would have asked about -- link please?

 

[lobelsteve]

Does not seem like something I would have asked about -- link please?

Maybe he meant Baron von Trump?

 

[SeniorWrangler]

i beg to differ.


there have been several pair ups between the 2 in Marvel Comics.

5 Best Daredevil/Spider-Man Team-Up Stories (& 5 Worst)

Daredevil and Spider-man have teamed up several times, to varying results. Here are their best and worst team-up stories.

www.cbr.com

Web-Head Meets Hornhead: The 7 Best Spider-Man/Daredevil Team-Ups

These two Marvel icons have spent a ton of time together.

collider.com

in this article, suggests that spidey and daredevil is the # 3 relationship that should be introduced to the MCU. (wolverine and Human Torch havent been introduced to the MCU yet, and who knows when mutants or Fantastic Four will be...)

10 Best Spider-Man Comic Relationships They Should Bring to the MCU

Spider-Man is famous for his close relationships with other heroes in the comics. Here are some friendships that would be great in the MCU.

screenrant.com

There’s a Matt Murdock cameo in the latest Spider-Man movie that was very cool, I’m hoping it leads to something more.

 

[clubdeac]

disney employs 80,000 in florida alone.

a list of pedophiles is hardly solid data.

to wit: "About 4 percent of the population is believed to have pedophilic urges. Psychologists now categorize it as a sexual orientation much like heterosexuality and homosexuality, in the sense that the sexual attraction to children appears to be involuntary and remains stable over time."

Pedophilia: A guide to the disorder

The sexual-abuse scandal at Penn State has raised awareness of pedophilia. How do these predators operate?

theweek.com

also, there's this:

The National Pulse - Bias and Credibility

QUESTIONABLE SOURCE A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no

mediabiasfactcheck.com

you could probably get a more hard-hitting story from the local middle-school newspaper

So is this your stance regarding pedophiles? That’s pretty disturbing. I take it you don’t have kids

 

[SSdoc33]

So is this your stance regarding pedophiles? That’s pretty disturbing. I take it you don’t have kids

get a life

 

[clubdeac]

get a life

Huh? You’re offended by that question? I’m honestly asking. why’d you post it then? You were obviously trying to make a point.

 

[SSdoc33]

Huh? You’re offended by that question? I’m honestly asking. why’d you post it then? You were obviously trying to make a point.

and you obviously missed it.

the point is that your "article" is clearly misleading. of course i dont support pedophilia. i dont really even love the Disney corporation in general, but when you employ 80K people, just by sheer numbers alone, you will be able to pick out some bad apples

 

[drusso]

and you obviously missed it.

the point is that your "article" is clearly misleading. of course i dont support pedophilia. i dont really even love the Disney corporation in general, but when you employ 80K people, just by sheer numbers alone, you will be able to pick out some bad apples

...but do you think W-2 physicians are being suckered?

 

[SSdoc33]

...but do you think W-2 physicians are being suckered?

actually, yes.

 

[buddababa]

...but do you think W-2 physicians are being suckered?

For sure. Very much so.

 

[callmeanesthesia]

For sure. Very much so.

I’m a partner in private practice but the group is a corporation and I get paid on a W2. The model is straight eat what you kill - no profit sharing, the corporation has no net profit to tax, and I draw all excess profits in my provider account as additional W2 income. Am I being suckered too?
It kinda feels like I am, when half of every dollar I make goes to overhead, and half of what’s left goes to taxes.

 

[jsaul]

You should rejoice at a 50 percent overhead for multispeciality group

 

[drusso]

I’m a partner in private practice but the group is a corporation and I get paid on a W2. The model is straight eat what you kill - no profit sharing, the corporation has no net profit to tax, and I draw all excess profits in my provider account as additional W2 income. Am I being suckered too?
It kinda feels like I am, when half of every dollar I make goes to overhead, and half of what’s left goes to taxes.

You're being sucked dry.

 

[callmeanesthesia]

You're being sucked dry.

Care to elaborate? Ideas to improve tax efficiency? I know you’re in a small private practice and from your comments about working 5 to 9, I take it you do a lot more of the admin work yourself, so I hope your overhead is a lot lower. The trade off for me is I have an office manager to say “we need another scheduler - hire me one,” a business manager who makes sure my credentialing and licensing stays up to date and the hospitals and surgery centers get their copies of my TB test and flu shot every year.

 

[drusso]

Care to elaborate? Ideas to improve tax efficiency? I know you’re in a small private practice and from your comments about working 5 to 9, I take it you do a lot more of the admin work yourself, so I hope your overhead is a lot lower. The trade off for me is I have an office manager to say “we need another scheduler - hire me one,” a business manager who makes sure my credentialing and licensing stays up to date and the hospitals and surgery centers get their copies of my TB test and flu shot every year.

Do you own any real estate? Make YOURSELF your own overhead: Buy and rent stuff to yourself.

 

[callmeanesthesia]

Do you own any real estate? Make YOURSELF your own overhead: Buy and rent stuff to yourself.

The practice’s building was owned by a subset of the shareholders. I hadn’t accumulated enough capital to buy in, and they just sold it to an investment group. There was an “opportunity” to buy in to that investment but the structure was piggybacked on their previous real estate partnership, and had no contractual mechanism to get the money back out, just a way for the senior partners to demand more money to invest at any time. Not how I was verbally told it would work, but I’m not a believer in handshake verbal agreements. So instead I’m buying a vacation home. Not much of a cash ROI, but something my family and I can enjoy all summer. Eventual plans to buy a couple rentals in that area, wife to manage them, get real estate professional status, and reap the tax benefits.

 

[drusso]

The practice’s building was owned by a subset of the shareholders. I hadn’t accumulated enough capital to buy in, and they just sold it to an investment group. There was an “opportunity” to buy in to that investment but the structure was piggybacked on their previous real estate partnership, and had no contractual mechanism to get the money back out, just a way for the senior partners to demand more money to invest at any time. Not how I was verbally told it would work, but I’m not a believer in handshake verbal agreements. So instead I’m buying a vacation home. Not much of a cash ROI, but something my family and I can enjoy all summer. Eventual plans to buy a couple rentals in that area, wife to manage them, get real estate professional status, and reap the tax benefits.

Can you buy and rent yourself equipment?

 

[vit8bsm]

The practice’s building was owned by a subset of the shareholders. I hadn’t accumulated enough capital to buy in, and they just sold it to an investment group. There was an “opportunity” to buy in to that investment but the structure was piggybacked on their previous real estate partnership, and had no contractual mechanism to get the money back out, just a way for the senior partners to demand more money to invest at any time. Not how I was verbally told it would work, but I’m not a believer in handshake verbal agreements. So instead I’m buying a vacation home. Not much of a cash ROI, but something my family and I can enjoy all summer. Eventual plans to buy a couple rentals in that area, wife to manage them, get real estate professional status, and reap the tax benefits.

Are you gonna have your wife as the REPS?

heard it's impossible to qualify as one yourself as a full time doc since half your time has to be spent managing real estate

 

[callmeanesthesia]

Are you gonna have your wife as the REPS?

heard it's impossible to qualify as one yourself as a full time doc since half your time has to be spent managing real estate

Yeah, we’ve talked about it anyway. Not sure how feasible it is since she also homeschools our kids, and it requires 750 hours a year spent on real estate, as well as a bunch of other somewhat complicated rules to quality each property as active rather than passive income.

 

[callmeanesthesia]

Can you buy and rent yourself equipment?

Not currently in need of anything big but could potentially do it with a c-arm when one needs replacing. So, form an LLC, buy the equipment (would have to be my own post-tax dollars, I assume). Then rent it to myself for fair market value, deduct depreciation, and pay myself as much dividend as possible from the LLC, thus avoiding payroll taxes on that portion of my income? Looks like C-arm rental could easily be $5,000 a month.
Is that the overall idea you’re alluding to?

 

[drusso]

Not currently in need of anything big but could potentially do it with a c-arm when one needs replacing. So, form an LLC, buy the equipment (would have to be my own post-tax dollars, I assume). Then rent it to myself for fair market value, deduct depreciation, and pay myself as much dividend as possible from the LLC, thus avoiding payroll taxes on that portion of my income? Looks like C-arm rental could easily be $5,000 a month.
Is that the overall idea you’re alluding to?

More or less. It's better if your partners pay the rent too. All for one and one for all.

 

[DrSpine]

Once I went 1099 and left W2, I'll never go back. Being employed is the absolute worst and feels like handcuffs. You're also "owned." Also, I notice when you're 1099 and you're a group of Physicians as a whole who are signed with another health group, they really bend over backward for you and treat you better because they are dependent on you. The power of balance rests on you, or at least, is somewhat equal at worst. When you're employed, the entire power balance is tilted in favor of the employer. You're treated like a scut monkey or hamster on the wheel.

 

[drusso]

Once I went 1099 and left W2, I'll never go back. Being employed is the absolute worst and feels like handcuffs. You're also "owned." Also, I notice when you're 1099 and you're a group of Physicians as a whole who are signed with another health group, they really bend over backward for you and treat you better because they are dependent on you. The power of balance rests on you, or at least, is somewhat equal at worst. When you're employed, the entire power balance is tilted in favor of the employer. You're treated like a scut monkey or hamster on the wheel.

Everything you say is true.

 

[DrSpine]

Everything you say is true.

Wish most people could figure that out as well. Unfortunately, I've heard every excuse in the world from the other side. If all Physicians grabbed the brass ring and stood their ground, believe me, things would change quick nationally. The last place I worked at claimed they could find my replacement. Okay cool, it's been 2 years, the Department has collapsed and is dead. Pretty sure all those Admins were later fired, actually, I heard many were given the boot. These guys all love to talk and act like they can dictate things, sorry bud, we are the gatekeepers, not you. Without us, the party is over and the music is cut off. So enjoy dancing with yourself, but believe me, it won't be anywhere near as entertaining as Billy Idol's song.

 

[hyperalgesia]

i dont think we are agreeing on the scale. Twitter and Facebook and liberal media reach tens of MILLIONS of people. Choosing not to buy is my personal choice....my freedom to choose. This isnt a new phenomenon.....it's just been mass produced recently.

As for Elon Musk, i dont think he will be micromanaging Twitter. If anything, the opposite.....with complete transparency of the algorithm.

Not sure why liberals are so afraid of free speech. I dont buy the "yelling fire in a movie theater" analogy. Sophistry.

It just occurred to me that roughly the same mechanism used to determine income tax is also used to calculate child support.

So Elon Musk probably is required to pay next to nothing in child support...

 

[Baron Samedi]

SpaceX fires at least five over letter critical of Elon Musk

The employees urged executives to make the firm's culture more inclusive.

www.reuters.com

 

[hyperalgesia]

+

SpaceX fires at least five over letter critical of Elon Musk

The employees urged executives to make the firm's culture more inclusive.

www.reuters.com

Nothing wrong with this from what I can see.

 

[Baron Samedi]

Nothing wrong with this from what I can see.

Me neither. Words have consequences.

But Musk claims to be a "free speech absolutist", whatever that means. It looks more and more like the Twitter thing was a hoax or maybe just downright fraud, but the idea that he would turn it into some free speech haven is laughable. I mentioned earlier that if he did takeover Twitter, that he almost certainly wouldn't allow his own employees to criticize him, discuss their own labor issues, etc and was met with the response that he wouldn't micromanage the platform. He absolutely would.

 

[Baron Samedi]

No one ever said anyone has to "be cool" with everything posted on Twitter. Will he tolerate it, yes, absolutely. That's the difference. Lefties do NOT tolerate it. They use whatever means available to stifle and shut it down. Musk will NOT do this.

Oh wait, it was you lol.

 

[Ducttape]

Oh wait, it was you lol.

as a private entity, he has the right to do so. no argument there.

but it shows the hypocrisy of musk.

he is not tolerating speech regarding his company. when he owns twitter, he wont tolerate free speech from those who he doesnt believe in.

and the Left doesnt tolerate it?

 

[BobLoblaw78]

Me neither. Words have consequences.

But Musk claims to be a "free speech absolutist", whatever that means. It looks more and more like the Twitter thing was a hoax or maybe just downright fraud, but the idea that he would turn it into some free speech haven is laughable. I mentioned earlier that if he did takeover Twitter, that he almost certainly wouldn't allow his own employees to criticize him, discuss their own labor issues, etc and was met with the response that he wouldn't micromanage the platform. He absolutely would.

I think you are mistaking free speech with misuse of company time. Without knowing the full story at this time, I will guess that the employees were using company resources and company email while on the clock to stir up controversy and discord with other employees that didn't want to be part of it. Let's not act like this was a couple employees on twitter or a weekend BBQ saying they thought their CEO was a buffoon. Companies are stronger when everyone is working together to produce the company's product. Companies also do better when they care about their employees welfare.

Try sending out mass emails to coworkers using your hospital email to criticize and undermine your hospital CEO. Let me know how it goes.

I don't want to work at a company that is pushing conservative OR liberal ideals. Just take care of patients or whatever your job is and leave that stuff for your personal life. I can guarantee most people wouldn't like working with these agitators. They tend to cause issues with others in all aspects of their life.

 

[hyperalgesia]

Oh wait, it was you lol.

Yep, context is important. "free speech absolutist" doesn't apply to coddling your employees as they undermine your company.

Just to add, I don't THINK musk would micromanage USERS of Twitter as they voice different opinions, including those critical of him. I mean who knows? But we know opinions are being stifled now so he'd probably be an improvement.

 

[MitchLevi]

Free speech =/= bad mouthing your boss.

 

[Baron Samedi]

I think you are mistaking free speech with misuse of company time. Without knowing the full story at this time, I will guess that the employees were using company resources and company email while on the clock to stir up controversy and discord with other employees that didn't want to be part of it. Let's not act like this was a couple employees on twitter or a weekend BBQ saying they thought their CEO was a buffoon. Companies are stronger when everyone is working together to produce the company's product. Companies also do better when they care about their employees welfare.

Try sending out mass emails to coworkers using your hospital email to criticize and undermine your hospital CEO. Let me know how it goes.

I don't want to work at a company that is pushing conservative OR liberal ideals. Just take care of patients or whatever your job is and leave that stuff for your personal life. I can guarantee most people wouldn't like working with these agitators. They tend to cause issues with others in all aspects of their life.

Quite a stretch. They were fired for the context of their letter(criticizing their CEO), NOT for "misuse of company time". If they sent out an email saying Musk is great let's throw him a surprise party, they'd still have their jobs. If you read the actual text of the letter, they were advocating for employee welfare.

I would never send out an email like that because I would fully expect to be fired. My boss also does not claim to be some sort of "free speech absolutist" like Musk does. We all understand that there are consequences to what you say, something that Musk doesn't seem to get.

Would you want to work at a company where your boss goes on Twitter daily and pushes conservative or liberal ideas? Because that's what SpaceX employees deal with every day.

 

[Baron Samedi]

Free speech =/= bad mouthing your boss.

Free speech also =/= ability to say whatever you want on a private platform without consequences.