the single life...ugh

[C@lidoc]

Correct but it also shows it's value. Most people are 5/10 or so but it's a major challenge for guys since women can wear make up and tight clothing --> automatically bumped to a 7.

True, but most guys dress like ****, and don't know how to make themselves look better. Dress nice, good haircut, get your eyebrows done if you are a hairy bastard, hit the gym hard, eat well, smell good, and you go up a point or 2.

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[Hustler101]

Errrm. No. Literally no. What exactly is your definition of a gold digger? A girl who tries to hang around athletes + entertainers for quick money and trinkets??? Maybe there are different types of "Gold diggers" but in an area of the country where doctors are more local and accessible you're seriously just unlearned about female psychology if you think the future doctor doesn't excite someone looking for a nice lifestyle more than a future cubicle worker. Funny how guys like you think they know so much about female psychology. You literally know nothing. Nada. Zip.

lol... dude do you even know any legit gold diggers who have sugar daddies? Know any girls who are or have been in the sex industry? If not then you're clueless on the real world aspect of female psychology.
Legit gold diggers have multiple sugar daddies and date a young rich guy (parent's money, not his). Some may just go with the latter. But real world gold diggers (not ones you make up in your head) are after the dollar from day one. Do you even know how easy it is for a young girl to cake on the make up, dress in tight clothing and pursue rich guys of any age? Or set up an account on seekingarrangement? Or join an escort agency part time?
If you don't know girls like this personally then you have no idea how it really works with them. So next time you find a 20 year old chick driving a 60k car, think twice. No one who wants money will sit around for a decade waiting for a piece of a 250k income. That's ridiculous lol.

 

[karling]

I don't know WTF happened to this thread, but since OP is asking for short guy success stories, here you go:

OP, stop using your height as a crutch. You seem to mention it in every damn post. I'm 5'5" and pretty goofy looking. I've never been a chick magnet or anything, but I've also never had trouble getting dates. Part of the reason, I think, is I honestly don't give a damn about being short. It's interesting how when you stop caring, many others stop caring as well. When you feel self-conscious about your height, others will notice.

Also, don't think just because a woman is taller than you that she's off limits. I've dated a couple taller women, one who is 5'10" and absolutely stunning. We were good friends and I could always make her laugh, but I didn't even think she liked me (more than as a friend) for a long time because, well, why would she date someone 5 inches shorter than her? Then she started dating someone who was like 5'7". When they broke up, I made my move. It was a good lesson to learn: Height is only one piece of the puzzle, and depending on the person, isn't even that important. Humor and confidence mean a lot, however, to just about everyone.

Moral of the story: Stop complaining about your height. Focus on your other qualities besides being 5'4", because that's not going to help you. Find something that makes you stand out. For me, when I was on the dating scene, I played up my goofiness. I look goofy already and I have no shame, so that's the part of my personality I used to my advantage.

For what it's worth, I've been dating my girlfriend for over 7 years, and we're getting married this summer. Interestingly, I met her through a tall friend of hers who thought I was funny and flirted with me at a party. If I wasn't so short (and she wasn't so tall...she's like 6 foot), she would've probably dated me instead. But you know what? I convinced her that I was pretty awesome, so when we ran into each other by chance at a bar, she introduced me to her short friend who also, coincidentally, is pretty awesome. Voila.

I'm rambling, but here's the gist of it: Being short does limit your options. But being insecure about being short will limit them much, much more.

 

[DoctorofDelight]

More relationships are always good because you realize your self-worth and decide what and what not to compromise on. You don't feel as bad for breaking up or don't feel obligated to stay just because of the age factor. Also when you do get married, you have no real "what if?" moments or regrets because you met more than 1 person.

If you need to be in a relationship to realize your self-worth then I feel sorry for you, because then you have bigger problems than being single.

 

[wiggitywack12]

lol... dude do you even know any legit gold diggers who have sugar daddies? Know any girls who are or have been in the sex industry? If not then you're clueless on the real world aspect of female psychology.
Legit gold diggers have multiple sugar daddies and date a young rich guy (parent's money, not his). Some may just go with the latter. But real world gold diggers (not ones you make up in your head) are after the dollar from day one. Do you even know how easy it is for a young girl to cake on the make up, dress in tight clothing and pursue rich guys of any age? Or set up an account on seekingarrangement? Or join an escort agency part time?
If you don't know girls like this personally then you have no idea how it really works with them. So next time you find a 20 year old chick driving a 60k car, think twice. No one who wants money will sit around for a decade waiting for a piece of a 250k income. That's ridiculous lol.

Actually yes and yes. Not only that, I AM a female. Once again you've embarrassed yourself by being so adamantly ignorant.

WTF is a "legit" gold digger. You again don't know what you're talking about. 9/10 times a sugar daddy relationship requires sex. If a woman is sleeping with multiple "sugar daddies" then that would be simply called prostitution or escorting. There is a subtle difference between the two lifestyles, which you don't know because you're ignorant and inexperienced.

Also you mentioned a website LOL...that literally any peniless skeezer can join and call themselves a "sugar daddy" this proves again that you a) have no real world understanding of anything you're talking about and b) live on the internet way too much.

Young rich guys are more often than not with girls from a similar socioeconomic status and very very wealthy guys can hire all the beautiful women they want to hang out with if they want to. Again something you'd know if you got outside more.

To the rest of your post, just please shut up lol. Just stop typing. Get off tinder and talk to people from different walks of life (which you won't do) I really don't have time to give years and years of understanding for the basics of human motivations. No more words for you kid. Stay sheltered, stay ignorant.

 

[Hustler101]

I don't know WTF happened to this thread, but since OP is asking for short guy success stories, here you go:

OP, stop using your height as a crutch. You seem to mention it in every damn post. I'm 5'5" and pretty goofy looking. I've never been a chick magnet or anything, but I've also never had trouble getting dates. Part of the reason, I think, is I honestly don't give a damn about being short. It's interesting how when you stop caring, many others stop caring as well. When you feel self-conscious about your height, others will notice.

Also, don't think just because a woman is taller than you that she's off limits. I've dated a couple taller women, one who is 5'10" and absolutely stunning. We were good friends and I could always make her laugh, but I didn't even think she liked me (more than as a friend) for a long time because, well, why would she date someone 5 inches shorter than her? Then she started dating someone who was like 5'7". When they broke up, I made my move. It was a good lesson to learn: Height is only one piece of the puzzle, and depending on the person, isn't even that important. Humor and confidence mean a lot, however, to just about everyone.

Moral of the story: Stop complaining about your height. Focus on your other qualities besides being 5'4", because that's not going to help you. Find something that makes you stand out. For me, when I was on the dating scene, I played up my goofiness. I look goofy already and I have no shame, so that's the part of my personality I used to my advantage.

For what it's worth, I've been dating my girlfriend for over 7 years, and we're getting married this summer. Interestingly, I met her through a tall friend of hers who thought I was funny and flirted with me at a party. If I wasn't so short (and she wasn't so tall...she's like 6 foot), she would've probably dated me instead. But you know what? I convinced her that I was pretty awesome, so when we ran into each other by chance at a bar, she introduced me to her short friend who also, coincidentally, is pretty awesome. Voila.

I'm rambling, but here's the gist of it: Being short does limit your options. But being insecure about being short will limit them much, much more.

lol... OP make sure you wear lifts.

 

[Hustler101]

Actually yes and yes. Not only that, I AM a female. Once again you've embarrassed yourself by being so adamantly ignorant.

WTF is a "legit" gold digger. You again don't know what you're talking about. 9/10 times a sugar daddy relationship requires sex. If a woman is sleeping with multiple "sugar daddies" then that would be simply called prostitution or escorting. There is a subtle difference between the two lifestyles, which you don't know because you're ignorant and inexperienced.

Also you mentioned a website LOL...that literally any peniless skeezer can join and call themselves a "sugar daddy" this proves again that you a) have no real world understanding of anything you're talking about and b) live on the internet way too much.

Young rich guys are more often than not with girls from a similar socioeconomic status and very very wealthy guys can hire all the beautiful women they want to hang out with if they want to. Again something you'd know if you got outside more.

To the rest of your post, just please shut up lol. Just stop typing. Get off tinder and talk to people from different walks of life (which you won't do) I really don't have time to give years and years of understanding the basics of human motivations. No more words for you kid. Stay sheltered, stay ignorant.

The fact that I was arguing with a female about this very specific topic explains everything (and that is the ridiculousness of your posts).

 

[PL198]

I don't know WTF happened to this thread, but since OP is asking for short guy success stories, here you go:

OP, stop using your height as a crutch. You seem to mention it in every damn post. I'm 5'5" and pretty goofy looking. I've never been a chick magnet or anything, but I've also never had trouble getting dates. Part of the reason, I think, is I honestly don't give a damn about being short. It's interesting how when you stop caring, many others stop caring as well. When you feel self-conscious about your height, others will notice.

Also, don't think just because a woman is taller than you that she's off limits. I've dated a couple taller women, one who is 5'10" and absolutely stunning. We were good friends and I could always make her laugh, but I didn't even think she liked me (more than as a friend) for a long time because, well, why would she date someone 5 inches shorter than her? Then she started dating someone who was like 5'7". When they broke up, I made my move. It was a good lesson to learn: Height is only one piece of the puzzle, and depending on the person, isn't even that important. Humor and confidence mean a lot, however, to just about everyone.

Moral of the story: Stop complaining about your height. Focus on your other qualities besides being 5'4", because that's not going to help you. Find something that makes you stand out. For me, when I was on the dating scene, I played up my goofiness. I look goofy already and I have no shame, so that's the part of my personality I used to my advantage.

For what it's worth, I've been dating my girlfriend for over 7 years, and we're getting married this summer. Interestingly, I met her through a tall friend of hers who thought I was funny and flirted with me at a party. If I wasn't so short (and she wasn't so tall...she's like 6 foot), she would've probably dated me instead. But you know what? I convinced her that I was pretty awesome, so when we ran into each other by chance at a bar, she introduced me to her short friend who also, coincidentally, is pretty awesome. Voila.

I'm rambling, but here's the gist of it: Being short does limit your options. But being insecure about being short will limit them much, much more.

literally the bold is the most HY fact for OP's life

stop feeling sorry for yourself and just go do it

 

[2019mdtobe]

I don't know WTF happened to this thread, but since OP is asking for short guy success stories, here you go:

OP, stop using your height as a crutch. You seem to mention it in every damn post. I'm 5'5" and pretty goofy looking. I've never been a chick magnet or anything, but I've also never had trouble getting dates. Part of the reason, I think, is I honestly don't give a damn about being short. It's interesting how when you stop caring, many others stop caring as well. When you feel self-conscious about your height, others will notice.

Also, don't think just because a woman is taller than you that she's off limits. I've dated a couple taller women, one who is 5'10" and absolutely stunning. We were good friends and I could always make her laugh, but I didn't even think she liked me (more than as a friend) for a long time because, well, why would she date someone 5 inches shorter than her? Then she started dating someone who was like 5'7". When they broke up, I made my move. It was a good lesson to learn: Height is only one piece of the puzzle, and depending on the person, isn't even that important. Humor and confidence mean a lot, however, to just about everyone.

Moral of the story: Stop complaining about your height. Focus on your other qualities besides being 5'4", because that's not going to help you. Find something that makes you stand out. For me, when I was on the dating scene, I played up my goofiness. I look goofy already and I have no shame, so that's the part of my personality I used to my advantage.

For what it's worth, I've been dating my girlfriend for over 7 years, and we're getting married this summer. Interestingly, I met her through a tall friend of hers who thought I was funny and flirted with me at a party. If I wasn't so short (and she wasn't so tall...she's like 6 foot), she would've probably dated me instead. But you know what? I convinced her that I was pretty awesome, so when we ran into each other by chance at a bar, she introduced me to her short friend who also, coincidentally, is pretty awesome. Voila.

I'm rambling, but here's the gist of it: Being short does limit your options. But being insecure about being short will limit them much, much more.

Point taken

 

[wiggitywack12]

The fact that I was arguing with a female about this very specific topic explains everything (and that is the ridiculousness of your posts).

No kid. The fact that you're trying to argue with a woman about how women view these situations is laughable. This is exactly why you resort to "40+ hookups on Tinder" lol ok. You don't realize how counterproductive that is, but its common of young or immature guys who are incompetent when it comes to relationships with women. They build networks with other incompetent men, build these bizarre theories and just circle jerk themselves into oblivion. Keep thinking you know more than you do though. It will take you far.

 

[Hustler101]

No kid. The fact that you're trying to argue with a woman about how women view these situations is laughable. This is exactly why you resort to "40+ hookups on Tinder" lol ok. You don't realize how counterproductive that is, but its common of young or immature guys who are incompetent when it comes to relationships with women. They build networks with other incompetent men, build these bizarre theories and just circle jerk themselves into oblivion. Keep thinking you know more than you do though. It will take you far.

Men who take advice from women on dating always go downhill 100% of the time. Women cannot relate to male dating issues... They are used to having dozens of options at all times. Simple as that. Don't believe me? Make an account on any site using an overweight girls pics and see how many messages you get.
You're overcomplicating this and no one in this thread has agreed with you.
Also just how old are you? The constant age reference makes you come off as a much younger person posing as a 35 year old chick.

 

[touchpause13]

 

[wiggitywack12]

Men who take advice from women on dating always go downhill 100% of the time. Women cannot relate to male dating issues... They are used to having dozens of options at all times. Simple as that. Don't believe me? Make an account on any site using an overweight girls pics and see how many messages you get.
You're overcomplicating this and no one in this thread has agreed with you.
Also just how old are you? The constant age reference makes you come off as a much younger person posing as a 35 year old chick.

Ugh kid, last post to you then you need to go call your mom and have her school you on reality. You're clearly listening to other guys who suck at relationships and life in general and its draining your fund of knowledge...your balance is like negative right now. Also most of the BS you regurgitate is straight off of dumb websites populated by people who don't actually know what they're talking about.

Everything you said was a false inference and every defense you referenced was an INTERNET SITE...please for the sake of your sanity stop trying to relate the internet to reality, this is why you're so ignorant in the first place. Just stop.

As for your dating web site example has nothing to do with healthy, long term relationships which is the topic of this thread, not which gender can get more hook ups off of Tinder while being overweight. Could it also be said that those men who are messaging those women are looking for quick sexual encounters with someone they view as desperate and beneath them?

You don't have to take my advice because I'm not offering advice, I was telling you how a portion of women view med students. They don't view med students as poor guys with no benefit, its just the opposite actually they see them as guys with good career prospects, that's literally all I was trying to get across. .

You need more than dating advice, you need experience and understanding. We can agree to disagree but no one with any real world experience says the dumb crap you've posted in this thread. To add to that, you've proved you have no real experience because you keep referencing WEB SITES.....this is your problem. Get off the internet, get off of hook up apps because you really don't know what you're talking about.

 

[2019mdtobe]

Jesus. What did I do lol

 

[touchpause13]

Jesus. What did I do lol

You started a dating thread on SDN.

 

[bumblebee611]

Jesus. What did I do lol

Hey OP I can tell you about 3 short guy success stories in my immediate social circle. One guy who's probably about your height who met his very petite wife when they were in graduate school (different departments). The other is my short brother in law, who is funny, brilliant, and successful, and married to my tall, funny, brilliant, successful sister who is about 4 inches taller than he is. And finally my husband, while taller than I am, is not tall by any standard (about 5' 7"), and while I could have chosen to date plenty of men taller than he is, I preferred him.

 

[fancymylotus]

You started a dating thread on SDN.

This is the Student Dating Network, after all.

 

[2019mdtobe]

Hey OP I can tell you about 3 short guy success stories in my immediate social circle. One guy who's probably about your height who met his very petite wife when they were in graduate school (different departments). The other is my short brother in law, who is funny, brilliant, and successful, and married to my tall, funny, brilliant, successful sister who is about 4 inches taller than he is. And finally my husband, while taller than I am, is not tall by any standard (about 5' 7"), and while I could have chosen to date plenty of men taller than he is, I preferred him.

@bumblebee611
How petite we talking? About his height? How shorts your brother in law?

Either way thanks for giving me some hope.

 

[Dullhead]

Point taken

@bumblebee611
How petite we talking? About his height? How shorts your brother in law?

Man, you really need to stop. Between last night and now, you've probably mentioned height 5-10 times. Yes, you're at a disadvantage but take Karling's advice - really, take the point. You're so deeply fixated on one aspect of your being that you most likely don't present the rest of yourself (personality, sense of humor, etc) in social interactions with new acquaintances despite what you think. For a brief while, I was thinking that you would really benefit from PUA bootcamp (not reading it online, but the in-person variety with a coach). Not to turn you into a douchey PUA, but to completely break down your current approach to social interactions and build it up from scratch.

Maybe, instead, what you need to do is to commit to yourself to spending 5 minutes each day on social skydiving. Or if that's too much, start with 1 interaction per day. Men and women both. And maybe repeat in your head "focus on the other person, focus on the other person" because as long as you're fixated on what the other person is thinking of your height, you're likely not able to focus on them.

 

[wiggitywack12]

@Hustler101 I can't believe you seriously came in here and posted a cartoon. I am dying of laughter right now. This conversation is just useless at this point lol.

However, I will say that women should listen to men and men should listen to women, but it would take a level of maturity you don't yet have to understand why this is. Have fun with your websites and cartoons kid. Good luck.

 

[lazyindy]

@Hustler101 I can't believe you seriously came in here and posted a cartoon. I am dying of laughter right now. This conversation is just useless at this point lol.

However, I will say that women should listen to men and men should listen to women, but it would take a level of maturity you don't yet have to understand why this is. Have fun with your websites and cartoons kid. Good luck.

why do you have to resort to petty personal insults as a defense mechanism and ignore the basis of the argument? Yet again we see the classic case of a male vs female debate in which the male backs up his stance with facts and the female loses her **** and resorts to childish antics.

most of @Hustler101 points are actually exemplified in social situations I've experienced with my own eyes. Some of my friends are in med school and we all usually hang out with my cousin who is an NYU stern graduate and a financial risk adviser/consultant at a top firm and earns 110-130k. Usually my cousin's extended social circle has much more success with scoring dates and hooking up at high end clubs/ hotel rooftops because they already earn 100-200k per year. My med student friends are lucky if they can even sustain a conversation longer than 3 mins on a typical night out because the girls usually lose interest after they find out that they're just students and not making bank.

I could also post up statistics backing this up but you'll just ridicule it as evidence from a "website".

 

[wiggitywack12]

why do you have to resort to petty personal insults as a defense mechanism and ignore the basis of the argument? Yet again we see the classic case of a male vs female debate in which the male backs up his stance with facts and the female loses her **** and resorts to childish antics.

most of @Hustler101 points are actually exemplified in social situations I've experienced with my own eyes. Some of my friends are in med school and we all usually hang out with my cousin who is an NYU stern graduate and a financial risk adviser/consultant at a top firm and earns 110-130k. Usually my cousin's extended social circle has much more success with scoring dates and hooking up at high end clubs/ hotel rooftops because they already earn 100-200k per year. My med student friends are lucky if they can even sustain a conversation longer than 3 mins on a typical night out because the girls usually lose interest after they find out that they're just students and not making bank.

I could also post up statistics backing this up but you'll just ridicule it as evidence from a "website".

He literally said that because I was a woman I couldn't know what women feel. That is the dumbest thing I've ever read ever. I realized it wasn't worth it with him. No one cares about the fact that your finance friends get girls easier. That isn't even the point of this thread or what I was saying.

Please show me where the "male brought the facts" you're just being biased at this point. He listed a bunch of BS and posted a cartoon and that is "facts"....okay.

It always boils down to this dumb stuff with guys like this. They would rather listen to other bitter unsuccessful guys stir up stupid theories of how women think and feel than actually listen to a woman try and explain a bit about how they think and feel. That's what's hilarious. They call women emotional but these are the most butthurt, insufferable people to ever walk the face of this earth. Their rotten emotional wounds stink like unchanged baby diapers. Its unbearable.

These guys always have defects too, its always a guy who's balding early, really short, incurably ugly (sorry), has never had a girlfriend, got reamed in a divorce or got played really badly by a girl...its always some BS and all these bitter, jaded people just group together to just simmer in their ignorance all while insulting actual women trying to explain reality to them.

I don't care what you experienced. You clearly missed what my post is about and you're clearly biased. Carry on.

 

[NontradCA]

I feel as long as you're confident you will have sex with people. That's all there is to it.

 

[Tired]

I keep checking in on this thread to see if anyone has had the good sense to close it yet, but nope, still going...

 

[lazyindy]

I feel as long as you're confident you will have sex with people. That's all there is to it.

I'm a good looking guy (no e-brag) before anyone accuses me of 'being bitter because he's ugly,etc.' but this sentence is extremely naive. so you're telling me if an unattractive short,bald and fat guy tries to exude confidence he will be rewarded with sex? lol ok then...

 

[NontradCA]

I'm a good looking guy (no e-brag) before anyone accuses me of 'being bitter because he's ugly,etc.' but this sentence is extremely naive. so you're telling me if an unattractive short,bald and fat guy tries to exude confidence he will be rewarded with sex? lol ok then...

I see short bald dudes with women all the time. Are you kidding me? You're describing half of the guys in America.

 

[C@lidoc]

I'm a good looking guy (no e-brag) before anyone accuses me of 'being bitter because he's ugly,etc.' but this sentence is extremely naive. so you're telling me if an unattractive short,bald and fat guy tries to exude confidence he will be rewarded with sex? lol ok then...

Ugly people get laid all the time. Now, with who, that's another topic.

 

[lazyindy]

I see short bald dudes with women all the time. Are you kidding me? You're describing half of the guys in America.

your original sentence 'long as you're confident you will have sex with people' made it seem like those short and bald guys are slaying at bars and clubs or any social setting for that matter. Generally you see them with women of the same attractiveness or even uglier than them. If an ugly guy is with a hottie, I can bet my life that money is definitely involved in the picture.

btw off topic: what's the name of the painting in your picture? really like it.

 

[NontradCA]

your original sentence 'long as you're confident you will have sex with people' made it seem like those short and bald guys are slaying at bars and clubs or any social setting for that matter. Generally you see them with women of the same attractiveness or even uglier than them. If an ugly guy is with a hottie, I can bet my life that money is definitely involved in the picture.

btw off topic: what's the name of the painting in your picture? really like it.

I've actually noticed quite the opposite, with women being with a guy that's not as attractive. I thought this was a common cultural occurrence stemming from patriarchy, and the general objectification of women by our scummy society. But we can agree to disagree.

I'm not sure, but I like it as well . Prolly from some fat bald dude getting massive amounts of ass for his artistic ability.

 

[C@lidoc]

your original sentence 'long as you're confident you will have sex with people' made it seem like those short and bald guys are slaying at bars and clubs or any social setting for that matter. Generally you see them with women of the same attractiveness or even uglier than them. If an ugly guy is with a hottie, I can bet my life that money is definitely involved in the picture.

btw off topic: what's the name of the painting in your picture? really like it.

http://calabigallery.com/artists/jan-stussy/

You are welcome

 

[wiggitywack12]

your original sentence 'long as you're confident you will have sex with people' made it seem like those short and bald guys are slaying at bars and clubs or any social setting for that matter. Generally you see them with women of the same attractiveness or even uglier than them. If an ugly guy is with a hottie, I can bet my life that money is definitely involved in the picture.

btw off topic: what's the name of the painting in your picture? really like it.

Oh...but wait....weren't you in here to defend the "male who brought the facts" who said that women who are fat and 4/10 in looks can have dozens of attractive males each week in western society??? Oh and sugar daddies to give them free monies???

Cause a 4/10 overweight chick can sleep with a dozen attractive guys every single week for the rest of her life in western society. She can also receive free money from sugar daddies. And she'll wait years for a comfortable lifestyle? lolololol.

Please, you're a male ....we need you to bring the facts...only you can bring the facts!

 

[itsogre]

Just out of curiosity, how would you even know a man is inexperienced? I mean I imagine it would be awkward to ask about somebody's previous relationships before going on a date with them.

uh nah maybe not immediately, but when things start to happen it's easy to figure out that the man is inexperienced, either by his change in demeanor and confidence, lack of intuition about what to do physically and what to say (like inexperienced guys can't even verbalise what they want), how to behave appropriately and match partner's level of seriousness/energy in conversation, etc.

and while it may be gauche to talk about past relationships on 1st/2nd/nth date, sooner or later some ppl tend to share stories about their exes.

 

[NeedToStudy]

uh nah maybe not immediately, but when things start to happen it's easy to figure out that the man is inexperienced, either by his change in demeanor and confidence, lack of intuition about what to do physically and what to say (like inexperienced guys can't even verbalise what they want), how to behave appropriately and match partner's level of seriousness/energy in conversation, etc.

and while it may be gauche to talk about past relationships on 1st/2nd/nth date, sooner or later some ppl tend to share stories about their exes.

I'm assuming by the time it comes up they'll have enough of a connection that his inexperience will no longer matter.

 

[2019mdtobe]

Well thanks for the reality check. We will see if I can make things happen come fall. Gonna be tough but gotta start somewhere. Like all people I get despondent or annoyed at times about facets of myself, including yes my height. Particularly since its immutable. But nothing I can do except press forward.

Again my Kevin Hart quote:

This is it. This is what I was given. This is my playing cards. If we were playing poker, I've got to make this hand work. This is it for me. And this is what I'm going to ride out. So how do you not embrace it? You get one life. One. You get one life. I'm going to embrace mine

 

[NeedToStudy]

Well thanks for the reality check. We will see if I can make things happen come fall. Gonna be tough but gotta start somewhere. Like all people I get despondent or annoyed at times about facets of myself, including yes my height. Particularly since its immutable. But nothing I can do except press forward.

Again my Kevin Hart quote:

This is it. This is what I was given. This is my playing cards. If we were playing poker, I've got to make this hand work. This is it for me. And this is what I'm going to ride out. So how do you not embrace it? You get one life. One. You get one life. I'm going to embrace mine

Honestly I don't think it will be such a big issue. There was actually a similar discussion in the Spouses and Partners forum. Though some were against dating virgins, many woman were pretty open to it. Just find a woman you connect with, be honest with her, and it should be ok.

At least I hope it will. I'm in your same situation except I'm a bit older so I'm trying to be optimistic as well.

 

[wiggitywack12]

Well thanks for the reality check. We will see if I can make things happen come fall. Gonna be tough but gotta start somewhere. Like all people I get despondent or annoyed at times about facets of myself, including yes my height. Particularly since its immutable. But nothing I can do except press forward.

Again my Kevin Hart quote:

This is it. This is what I was given. This is my playing cards. If we were playing poker, I've got to make this hand work. This is it for me. And this is what I'm going to ride out. So how do you not embrace it? You get one life. One. You get one life. I'm going to embrace mine

Exactly OP, that's a good quote! And look at Kevin Hart, he's shorter and has all the things you think you can't have because of your height. He's successful, in a relationship and has great kids...if he can do it why can't you?

As a woman I can tell you that height is not the death sentence you seem to think it is. No it doesn't fit into the mold of "conventionally attractive" but guess what, most of us don't! That's why you can't get too deep in this internet BS, people are coming from all different vantage points and most are flawed in some way. I'm so sick of internet anecdotes but I do have a friend in MS1 I used to do lab work with, he's not Indian but Egyptian and he's about your height. He's very outgoing and likable and he doesn't struggle with girls at all. When we worked in lab together he was actually talking to two girls at the same time. That said, yeah some girls prefer height and would totally rule a guy out for it but not as many as you think. There are a lot of beautiful, tall women who would be open to a shorter guy who is otherwise cool. Just be positive, take care of yourself and most importantly focus on school. You're there to become a doctor primarily. I tend to think that if you keep first things first, other things will take their natural course!

A lot of people are hypnotized by televisions and cultural ideals of there being "someone for everyone" ....but what if there isn't? Does your life suddenly not have value? Are you going to shrivel up and not enjoy your life? No. There are other things that make you happy. There are other things that are beautiful about life and much of the pain you associate with being single is only because you torture yourself about it mentally. Open your eyes, realize that you are single right now and you are actually okay. Only when you judge yourself for being single do you feel miserable.

The best part of my time in ER was working with the other volunteers who were usually older. Their spouses had pretty much all passed and they were on their own, but still living and still laughing. There's more to life than a S/O...nothing wrong with wanting one, but just keep perspective.

 

[Hustler101]

He literally said that because I was a woman I couldn't know what women feel. That is the dumbest thing I've ever read ever. I realized it wasn't worth it with him. No one cares about the fact that your finance friends get girls easier. That isn't even the point of this thread or what I was saying.

Please show me where the "male brought the facts" you're just being biased at this point. He listed a bunch of BS and posted a cartoon and that is "facts"....okay.

It always boils down to this dumb stuff with guys like this. They would rather listen to other bitter unsuccessful guys stir up stupid theories of how women think and feel than actually listen to a woman try and explain a bit about how they think and feel. That's what's hilarious. They call women emotional but these are the most butthurt, insufferable people to ever walk the face of this earth. Their rotten emotional wounds stink like unchanged baby diapers. Its unbearable.

These guys always have defects too, its always a guy who's balding early, really short, incurably ugly (sorry), has never had a girlfriend, got reamed in a divorce or got played really badly by a girl...its always some BS and all these bitter, jaded people just group together to just simmer in their ignorance all while insulting actual women trying to explain reality to them.

I don't care what you experienced. You clearly missed what my post is about and you're clearly biased. Carry on.

No one cares about your irrelevant nonsense that does nothing to actually help men. Instead of talking about rare cases to support your argument why don't you talk about what 90% of guys experience?

I'm just tired of hearing the same girls who "ew" at guys telling them to just be confident and be themselves. It's nonsense and speaks highly of the dating advise women give. (and no.. im 6'1, compete in bodybuilding and have a 7/10 face with no signs of balding. Nothing special but pretty decent)

Ugly people get laid all the time. Now, with who, that's another topic.

Bingo! Men can only get laid with women of similar attractive unless money is involved OR if she's mentally unstable.

Well thanks for the reality check. We will see if I can make things happen come fall. Gonna be tough but gotta start somewhere. Like all people I get despondent or annoyed at times about facets of myself, including yes my height. Particularly since its immutable. But nothing I can do except press forward.

Again my Kevin Hart quote:

This is it. This is what I was given. This is my playing cards. If we were playing poker, I've got to make this hand work. This is it for me. And this is what I'm going to ride out. So how do you not embrace it? You get one life. One. You get one life. I'm going to embrace mine

The only 5'4-5'6 guys I've seen succeed with girls are those with great faces and top end personalities. I know like 3... and I know tons of short guys. I highly suggest you start by wearing lifts.

Oh...but wait....weren't you in here to defend the "male who brought the facts" who said that women who are fat and 4/10 in looks can have dozens of attractive males each week in western society??? Oh and sugar daddies to give them free monies???



Please, you're a male ....we need you to bring the facts...only you can bring the facts!

Are you actually trying to say that's false !?? Are you that unaware on the topic? Go make a tinder or pof or okc account using a 4/10 overweight woman's pics. Report back in 1 hour with the results.
An attractive dude on online dating platforms will message almost everyone. First of all there are not many attractive girls using online dating, ones who do (pretty much just tinder) do so to get compliments/more instagram followers etc. This means most of the female population actually looking for sex is a little above average at best. Many will be below average. An attractive guy will meet up and hook up with a large number of girls which can and will include some below average women. And no he will never text her again but it doesn't change the fact that a 4/10 chick can get laid on demand with an 8/10 guy whereas a 4/10 guy can pretty much never do the same with a hot girl without directly paying $$. Understand?

Exactly OP, that's a good quote! And look at Kevin Hart, he's shorter and has all the things you think you can't have because of your height. He's successful, in a relationship and has great kids...if he can do it why can't you?

As a woman I can tell you that height is not the death sentence you seem to think it is. No it doesn't fit into the mold of "conventionally attractive" but guess what, most of us don't! That's why you can't get too deep in this internet BS, people are coming from all different vantage points and most are flawed in some way. I'm so sick of internet anecdotes but I do have a friend in MS1 I used to do lab work with, he's not Indian but Egyptian and he's about your height. He's very outgoing and likable and he doesn't struggle with girls at all. When we worked in lab together he was actually talking to two girls at the same time. That said, yeah some girls prefer height and would totally rule a guy out for it but not as many as you think. There are a lot of beautiful, tall women who would be open to a shorter guy who is otherwise cool. Just be positive, take care of yourself and most importantly focus on school. You're there to become a doctor primarily. I tend to think that if you keep first things first, other things will take their natural course!

A lot of people are hypnotized by televisions and cultural ideals of there being "someone for everyone" ....but what if there isn't? Does your life suddenly not have value? Are you going to shrivel up and not enjoy your life? No. There are other things that make you happy. There are other things that are beautiful about life and much of the pain you associate with being single is only because you torture yourself about it mentally. Open your eyes, realize that you are single right now and you are actually okay. Only when you judge yourself for being single do you feel miserable.

The best part of my time in ER was working with the other volunteers who were usually older. Their spouses had pretty much all passed and they were on their own, but still living and still laughing. There's more to life than a S/O...nothing wrong with wanting one, but just keep perspective.

talking to girls =/= banging or dating them. People never understand this. I know half a dozen dudes who A+ social skills with women but have been with 1-2 girls tops.

Height matters a bit but it's all about face and some personality/luck.

Your point about older people still laughing on is irrelevant. Life is temporary and it ends. The best part of it is one's prime years (under 22) followed by their mid 20s and then late 20s at the most. Then it gets crappier once someone ages, gets uglier, and stuff gets serious.
The OP wants affection/sex during his prime years before it ends. Why? Because those are the greatest feelings that life has to offer. Literally you need to be on drugs or achieving some next level world class achievement to experience better feelings. So maybe encourage him to fix his issue rather than avoid it.

 

[Kaustikos]

Perhaps I am the exception.

Yet you guys act like romantic relationships evolve in a bubble shielded from real life.
I personally see them as little more than improved friendships; I look for exactly the same qualities in SOs as I do in friends - plus physical attractiveness and sexual compatibility. I'm extremely introverted and quite busy, so I don't have the energy or the will to just make mistakes over and over again with my friendships. And if you do pick your friends wisely, you learn a whole lot from them. Same about family.

You DO learn when to get out of a ****ty/destructive relationship, to take notice of toxic behavior, to speak your mind freely, to admit when you're both simply not compatible, etc. And you act in consequence.

Sure, it's not completely like having a boyfriend/girlfriend. You're more head over heels generally, and it can be harder to see the big picture and let go, etc. There are criteria - like an emphasis on personal responsibility, at least for me- which you may not have applied to your friends, or to a lesser degree. There's a lot of unknown.

But you guys make it sound like a romantic relationship is the same as walking into Mordor or something.
It really isn't. If you've been leading a productive life on the personal plan, at least (I'm not saying that you haven't if your first relationship has failed, even spectacularly like fancy. **** happens!).

Ofc if you have your first relationship at 15-16 y/o or whatever like most people, you haven't time for personal growth yet. What do you expect, then? Of course your relationship will likely fail. How many people are you still friends with/can still smell from high school? Not many, I'd guess.

And try to genuinely reflect on the people around you. Have they really learned from their relationship mistakes? In my experience most don't - they keep dating these "badboy" guys who treat them like ****, or they always rush into another relationship after the previous one crashed and burn, never taking time to reflect, etc; and those that do learn have seen that spurt of maturity in most areas of their life, not simply romance. But that's just my experience, I guess.

And @Kaustikos: casual dating for me was the biggest waste of time. Still is.
Sure, a first date to see if you're both compatible at first regard is important. But dates after dates for the sake of it? Jesus. I don't see what anyone could glean from that... except becoming "better" at dates I guess?

Nope, not to get better. It's just fun meeting new people. It builds character, helps you become better socially and introduce you to new people.
Not all "attractions" are relationship material. Just because I like talking to a girl, doesn't mean I expect her in my bed in the next hour. But I'm more extroverted than most. And being in medical school, I've found that being around people outside of medicine is such a breath of fresh air. Not having a conversation about hospital ****.
Also, you're saying you knew what you wanted from the get go, which the OP isn't saying. So I don't think your advice pulls much weight

 

[Winged Scapula]

Since this is sufficiently off topic, the OP has gotten good advice (and some terrible stuff straight out of TRP), closing.