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So, I'm interested in scheduling an elective in Sports Medicine and I nee some help

1) Does anyone here know of any good, high yield Sports medicine clerkships for medical students?

2) What are some good resources to learn sports medicine? For me Q&A or Case Files type books are ideal, but I'd also be interested in online lectures and maybe even a good reference textbook.

3) I know there are just about a thousand diferent certifications in nutrition, personal training, and sports medicine. Is there any one worth pursuing for a physician that had an interest in sports medicine but didn't feel like going quite so far as to pursue a fellowship? I'm going to have some down time fourth year and I wouldn't mind using it productively.

Thank you all in advance.

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So, I'm interested in scheduling an elective in Sports Medicine and I nee some help

1) Does anyone here know of any good, high yield Sports medicine clerkships for medical students?

2) What are some good resources to learn sports medicine? For me Q&A or Case Files type books are ideal, but I'd also be interested in online lectures and maybe even a good reference textbook.

3) I know there are just about a thousand diferent certifications in nutrition, personal training, and sports medicine. Is there any one worth pursuing for a physician that had an interest in sports medicine but didn't feel like going quite so far as to pursue a fellowship? I'm going to have some down time fourth year and I wouldn't mind using it productively.

Thank you all in advance.

I would love to see the answers to these also as I am HIGHLY interested in FP with fellowship training in sports med.

The one thing I can answer for you is number 3. If you are talking general certifications the industry standard is the NSCA CSCS (certified strength and conditioning specialist). There are others that are good, but that one is pretty much universally recognized. If you were going to pursue an extra certification in the field of sports med, that would be the one I would recommend.
 
I found the "Current Diagnoses and Treatment in Sports Medicine" book to be a handy little place to start. About the size of a case files book and a pretty quick read.
 
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Hoppenfeld's Physical examination of the spine and extremities was considered the Bible by my sports medicine faculty during my elective.

A couple of family med/sports med fellows I rotated with at 3 different sites all recommended Brukner & Kahn's Clinical Sports Medicine, Netter's Concise Ortho Anatomy, and Fracture Management for Primary Care
 
Agreed with most of the above, Clinical Sports medicine is excellent, great images, Fracture management for primary care, netters ortho, and lippincott handbook of fractures.

Also always good to have "Sports Medicine Advisor" handy for handouts to your patients!
 
So, I'm interested in scheduling an elective in Sports Medicine and I nee some help

1) Does anyone here know of any good, high yield Sports medicine clerkships for medical students?

2) What are some good resources to learn sports medicine? For me Q&A or Case Files type books are ideal, but I'd also be interested in online lectures and maybe even a good reference textbook.

3) I know there are just about a thousand diferent certifications in nutrition, personal training, and sports medicine. Is there any one worth pursuing for a physician that had an interest in sports medicine but didn't feel like going quite so far as to pursue a fellowship? I'm going to have some down time fourth year and I wouldn't mind using it productively.

Thank you all in advance.

1. Call up any fellowship program and almost all do medical student electives in primary care sports medicine. Some combine it with a family medicine elective, some do it as a stand alone.

2.
Aaron Gray has an awesome list: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=9502774&postcount=10
Q&A: Sports Medicine Board Review, Sports Medicine Secrets
Handbook: Oxford American Handbook of Sports Medicine
Text: ACSM's Primary Care Sports Medicine, Brukner & Kahn's Clinical Sports Medicine
Online: emedicine.com, wheelessortho.com

3. I agree with CSCS, but recommend the fellowship and CAQ. It's only a year.
 
So, I'm interested in scheduling an elective in Sports Medicine and I nee some help

1) Does anyone here know of any good, high yield Sports medicine clerkships for medical students?

2) What are some good resources to learn sports medicine? For me Q&A or Case Files type books are ideal, but I'd also be interested in online lectures and maybe even a good reference textbook.

3) I know there are just about a thousand diferent certifications in nutrition, personal training, and sports medicine. Is there any one worth pursuing for a physician that had an interest in sports medicine but didn't feel like going quite so far as to pursue a fellowship? I'm going to have some down time fourth year and I wouldn't mind using it productively.

Thank you all in advance.

1. We have a sports medicine rotation here at UCLA but it is for visiting residents only. We don't have anything for students at this point. It's pretty competitive and you have to apply early but it's a good experience working with primary care sports medicine docs. You also get to work in the UCLA training room with the fellows and can shape the rotation to fit your interests.

When I was in med school I made my own sports medicine rotation by finding a sports med doc through theAmerican Medical Society for Sports Medicine website. They have a good find a doc feature and I just contacted some local docs and found one to agree to have me for a couple weeks.

2. lowbudget - glad you've found my website helpful.

I created www.bit.ly/sportsmedicine as an online collection of sports medicine and musculoskeletal articles and resources that can be helpful as a quick clinic resource and also for students and residents who want reliable information.
I also like the Primary Care Fracture Handbook by Eiff, Netter Sports Medicine by Madden, Netter Orthopedic Anatomy, the green Hoppenfeld for bible of physical examination.
A great book that's out of print and hard to find but great for primary care residents and students is 20 Common Problems in Sports Medicine by Puffer

3. I'm currently in my fellowship so I have to recommend if you are serious about improving your sports medicine knowledge and want to set yourself apart that a sports medicine fellowship and CAQ (certificate of added qualifications) is the way to go.
 
I just googled "sports medicine rotation student" and over a dozen rotations popped up from all over the country at well known programs. You could design your own rotation with a sports medicine physician off the AMSSM site, but there are few 100% sports medicine doctors out there. Most will either practice with an orthopedic group doing office orthopedics or will work in some capacity of their primary specialty. If you want to see how it works in real life, that's the way to go. If you want to see what fellowship is about, rotate through a fellowship.

That said, you don't have to do a sports medicine rotation to see what sports medicine as a field is about. Sports medicine is interdisciplinary and draws from patients in multiple settings. The CAQ tells you how diverse it is: FM, Pedi, IM, EM, and PM&R, not to mention Ortho, so you'll "get" sports medicine patients with sports medicine issues from all over. Personally, I think FM is the best way to train to get to primary care sports medicine because of that diversity and breadth, but that's just me.

Team Doc, keep up the good work. I know UCLA has a 1 year and 2 year program and don't know which one you're in, but you might want to present your website to the Fellow's Forum at AMSSM if you go this year.
 
How much training do you get during fellowship with respect to management of fractures? How often do FPs or sports med CAQ holders tx fx's in the office?

Also, while I understand that treatment for overuse injuries, sprains and strains are typically non-operative, what types of tx's are available and in what percentage? For example, in a typical day at the office, are you referring 50% of pts for PT, 30% get injections (or some other non-surgical procedure), 10% advised to rest and 10% sent for surgical evals? I made the numbers up as an example.

I have recently developed some interest in the field but had limited exposure in training. The impression I get in perusing the forums here is that people are doing injections, prescribing PT, maybe managing medical conditions that affect the athlete but not much else? The sports med organizations have focused on head injuries and clearing athletes for playing again as well. Is my impression far off?
 
How much training do you get during fellowship with respect to management of fractures? How often do FPs or sports med CAQ holders tx fx's in the office?

Also, while I understand that treatment for overuse injuries, sprains and strains are typically non-operative, what types of tx's are available and in what percentage? For example, in a typical day at the office, are you referring 50% of pts for PT, 30% get injections (or some other non-surgical procedure), 10% advised to rest and 10% sent for surgical evals? I made the numbers up as an example.

I have recently developed some interest in the field but had limited exposure in training. The impression I get in perusing the forums here is that people are doing injections, prescribing PT, maybe managing medical conditions that affect the athlete but not much else? The sports med organizations have focused on head injuries and clearing athletes for playing again as well. Is my impression far off?


Setting dependent, referral dependent, and brand-recognition dependent; so you'll have to ask when you're on the interview trail.

Generally speaking, front line settings will get you the most fractures: orthopedic office, family med office, emergency department, and urgent cares. If your program has a sports medicine clinic that is the fellow's own, you want to know where those patients are coming from (usually family medicine and urgent care, but more and more programs are running it out of orthopedic offices, so you might be getting first stab as ortho shunts them to you for evaluation). It also depends on whether the community is aware of what sports medicine is and what the scope is for primary care physicians. If a patient has a broken bone, they usually think ortho and emergency med; but if your community has a good awareness of what sports medicine is, they might come to you first. I don't know much about PM&R settings, but my guess is that they don't get a lot of fracture management. As a fellow, you want to know what settings you will be working in, which settings are ones that you can call your "own", and have an understanding of the community ecology.

Distribution of cases and what you follow naturally will follow the setting you are in and types of patients you see. Urgent care vs primary care office vs orthopedic office vs emergency department. It will depend on what types of insurances you accept and what referral/ordering patterns those insurances dictate.

Yes people are doing MRI/ultrasound, injections including regenerative biology, rehab vs convservative vs surgerical treatment decisions and outcomes research, concussions and return to play, and medical conditions that affect athletes, obviously; but those are all for the sick and fallen. There's a whole expansive field for the well that focuses on performance, nutrition, training, and naturally doping. And then there's a third cluster of knowledge focused on injury and sudden death prevention.

With the more recent inclusion of PM&R into the field of primary care sports medicine, hopefully there will be an expansion and diffusion of knowledge regarding disabled athletes and prosthetics.
 
Thanks for the reply.

Also, I forgot to ask, why are the pediatric fellowships an extra year long? How much exposure to adult care do you get during these fellowships? A lot of the websites claim to prepare you for treating pts of all ages but I'm curious as to how realistic that really is.
 
Thanks for the reply.

Also, I forgot to ask, why are the pediatric fellowships an extra year long? How much exposure to adult care do you get during these fellowships? A lot of the websites claim to prepare you for treating pts of all ages but I'm curious as to how realistic that really is.

I wasn't aware that pediatric fellowships were 2 years. In looking in Frieda searching under Pediatric Sports Medicine, there're only a handful of programs and of those it looks like Akron, Cincinnatti, Vanderbilt, and Wisconsin are 2 years. All others are 1 year. A pediatrician doing a PCSM would only need 1 year to be eligible to sit for the CAQ boards. The 2nd year is almost always a research year and generally funded through a separate mechanism.

I don't know how much adult exposure you get when doing a Pedi SM fellowship but my guess is that it is less than FM/SM. If you want to consider 18-21 adults whom some pediatricians believe are within their scope of practice, then most Pedi SM fellowships will capture this age group. I think probably what happens is that most Pedi SM fellowships will arrange to work with a community PCSM or general/sports Ortho who see adults to get those fellows exposure to adults.

The opposite is true as well. Some programs don't get you any experience in Pedi because that's just how it is in that program , with those faculty, or that part of the country.

It remains to be said that a super-majority of the sports medicine programs out there are FAMILY MEDICINE, which means that it is designed by and tailored towards the family physician. While there are variations in practices and individual preferences, most programs are designed so that the scope of what you see as a PCSM fellow fall within the scope of your primary specialty. All programs have concerns whether or not a fellow can handle the breadth/depth of cases their prospective fellows are supposed to cover. Because of this, generally, non-FM residents applying to FM/SM programs will face a disadvantage. That being said, a poorly trained FM resident will be at a disadvantage when applying to a FM/SM fellowship also. Programs look at both aptitude and experience (not "or").

I think if you learn what the weakness are for each program, you can compensate for those weaknesses by seeking out supplemental educational opportunities on your own to fill those weaknesses. Much like anything else, there is no such thing as a perfect program.
 
Thank you again for your reply and information.
 
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