There's nothing wrong with conservatives, it's just part of the picture. It's kind of like how working the night shift and being a woman over 35 doesn't mean you have breast cancer, but if you work the nights shift and you're a woman over 35, you will be more likely to have breast cancer. Now this guy was clearly suffering from some form of internet-induced, anal-related malady, but without all the pieces, I couldn't determine whether it was butthurt, analrage, or any of the other common afflictions plaguing internet communities nowadays. But once you know he's white, male, conservative, has it out for feminists, thinks women aren't equal candidates for med school admissions, and is talking **** on the internet? Well, that can only be one thing:
Man, the arrogance in your stance is appalling. As is your ability to count, n=2? Seriously did you even read that thread? And calling pharmacists 'terrible' who are overworked and burned out from a career that isn't anything like what their school told them it would be is disingenuous, and a douche move.
I know many nurses who have found happiness through this route. And not just marrying doctors either. Not having to earn money while living comfortably is definitely low stress. Even tho many of those nurses still work, its on their terms. PRN, 2 days a week, must get out early every shift. I have seen repeatedly that when you no longer need the money, work does indeed seem to become better, no matter what the field.
Just curious why does it cost that much? How much does it cost for new-hire MD?
I've only been out of school for about two weeks now, so things are still up in the air. I had an opportunity to go right into a Masters program in immunology/infectious disease but that felt intuitively incorrect as well... I am taking time now to explore options totally outside of medicine, including teaching and public health... Will definitely pursue a different degree in the next year or so, but my mind is open
I've only been out of school for about two weeks now, so things are still up in the air. I had an opportunity to go right into a Masters program in immunology/infectious disease but that felt intuitively incorrect as well... I am taking time now to explore options totally outside of medicine, including teaching and public health... Will definitely pursue a different degree in the next year or so, but my mind is open
That was brave of you. Thanks for posting that OP.
That said, there is no way on this planet I could have done dental school five years ago, or even now. I don't know how non trad people do it, my energy levels are so different now than they were when I started out of college, and I would 100% be unsuccessful if I tried starting now. So. You guys are way smarter and stronger than I am.
Well she does keep getting PMs from people...
In the Northeast, 100k is actually a pretty reasonable number. Our precepting nurses generally make roughly 80k and graduate nurses start at 60k. Benefits account for an additional 25% for each of them, so that boost it up to 75k and 100k. Throw in an additional 25k to pay for our recruitment, HR, employee health screenings, employee training center, and divide by two, and you come out with roughly 100k. In Florida and at less overhead-heavy hospitals, it's probably closer to 75k, if you include benefits, recruiting, and administrative and training overhead.So a hospital admin told you it cost 100k to train a nurse and you think that is a reliable source? Do you goto Madoff for investment advice also? Please come into healthcare we need more of you! Especially in administration!
That 100k is a baldfaced lie. Even for an ICU nurse, it is maybe half that much at most in a crazy high wage state like NY or Cali. I will break it down for you tho with Fl numbers (cause they make the same claim here about 100k) for the most expensive nurse to train in ICU, a GN (Graduate Nurse) :
42k for a GN, 60k for experience preceptor divided by 2 since its only 6 months of precepting for ICU at most before your on your own. That equals 51k. Now remember that during this time the nurses will be doing at least 1 nurses worth of work, and at the end they are really doing 1.5 nurses work. So call it half by rounding up, since you paid 2 nurses to do 1 nurses job. Using that (actual numbers) 25.5k is the max expenditure/loss on training. Number might go higher if you are in a state like Cali, but no where near 100k. Furthermore, almost all hospital make the GN's sign contracts for usually at least 2 years (the going rate at my hospital is a 14.5k buyout that starts prorating after the 2nd year starts). Leaving is not a realistic option for a new grad with lots of debt already with a huge buyout (for their wage) on the table.
That 100k number is BS the hospital wants GN's to believe, so that the buyouts that they put on the contracts they make them sign seem more reasonable.
I love when medical students tell attendings that have actually recently fielded job offers post-fellowship what the employment market is like.
Staff will take you aside to discuss your behavior ("we like to foster a cooperative environment"). Other students will also actively shun you, which has serious implications, as we work together on things like clinical placement sites, study guides, etc. If you're gunning, and you get cut out of that loop, it can make your life miserable in a lot of ways. I heard what happened to student a couple years ahead of me that ran afoul of the rest of their class that ended up stuck with the worst ratations ever, far away from home and family, largely because no one was willing to trade with them because they'd made enemies of everyone by gunning. Usually such a case would get heard out, and we'd work together to find arrangements to move some things around. But not for a gunner...
It's not really an official policy. More of an unwritten code of conduct. Do not gun lest ye be gunned.
