Ross U now has a White student association. oh, yea! shocking, huh.

[OzDDS]

why? just look at dominica, the local people already knew that vietnamese students are not real americans. those vietnamese students don't like to be called americans, because their club name doesn't have american in it.

ok.. now I'm starting to wonder if this is a troll poster or what. Is english your first language, cause I could barely read that. How can anyone be "not a real american" because of the race they are. This is bullsh(*.

Don't anyone respond to youngman anymore... he is just trying to start Sh(*. Can we please get back to a decent conversation? Don't let some troll get the thread closed.

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[Hornet871]

This is not addressed to Youngman; this is being said aloud to everyone else while Youngman is in the room and listens.

That Vietnamese poster was brilliant! Bring it on, dude. That was passionate, intelligent, fiercely argued stuff. Your comments about WV and hillbillies and incest were not offensive, because you were saying them in order to prove a point.

What this all boils down to, ultiamtely, is this (and I'm not concerned with how many people this offends, because it is true):

White people in America are angry because rather than dominate 100% of the US, we only dominate 97%. That's intolerable! We're used to ruling the world, as the English ("The sun never sets on the British Empire"), the French (Napoleon ransacking Egypt), Germans (Hitler and his boys run amok), and now the Americans (Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Iraq).

We simply cannot tolerate a world in which we're not allowed to go around kicking brown and yellow people's a$$es. That's why we're so pissed off that Asians (Indians, Vietnamese, Pakistanis, Chinese, and others) are succeeding in medicine. We believe it is our birthright not only to be doctors while they have lesser jobs, but also to invade their countries and murder and rape their defenseless civilian populations. That's why we can't take it when they dare oppose our invading Iraq, for example.

I will bet you my (white) left testicle that Youngman supported the illegal invasion of Iraq. "But that has nothing to do with what we're discussing." In fact, it has everything to do with what we're discussing, because people like Youngman, people who talk like him, with such fury and hostility against nonwhites, are exactly the sort who find it fun to murder brown-skinned Mozzlims, and cheer when it happens.

I will take any and all comers in this debate because as a white dude, I know how white people think, even the so-called "liberal" ones. I know how white people talk when "colored folk" aren't around.


the HORNET

 

[OzDDS]

"white" people don't think like that.. I think Youngman is a troll just trying to start an argument on this thread for no reason. So let's not all turn this into a sterotyping racist hate thread. k.. please

 

[MD Rapper]

This is not addressed to Youngman; this is being said aloud to everyone else while Youngman is in the room and listens.

That Vietnamese poster was brilliant! Bring it on, dude. That was passionate, intelligent, fiercely argued stuff. Your comments about WV and hillbillies and incest were not offensive, because you were saying them in order to prove a point.

What this all boils down to, ultiamtely, is this (and I'm not concerned with how many people this offends, because it is true):

White people in America are angry because rather than dominate 100% of the US, we only dominate 97%. That's intolerable! We're used to ruling the world, as the English ("The sun never sets on the British Empire"), the French (Napoleon ransacking Egypt), Germans (Hitler and his boys run amok), and now the Americans (Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Iraq).

We simply cannot tolerate a world in which we're not allowed to go around kicking brown and yellow people's a$$es. That's why we're so pissed off that Asians (Indians, Vietnamese, Pakistanis, Chinese, and others) are succeeding in medicine. We believe it is our birthright not only to be doctors while they have lesser jobs, but also to invade their countries and murder and rape their defenseless civilian populations. That's why we can't take it when they dare oppose our invading Iraq, for example.

I will bet you my (white) left testicle that Youngman supported the illegal invasion of Iraq. "But that has nothing to do with what we're discussing." In fact, it has everything to do with what we're discussing, because people like Youngman, people who talk like him, with such fury and hostility against nonwhites, are exactly the sort who find it fun to murder brown-skinned Mozzlims, and cheer when it happens.

I will take any and all comers in this debate because as a white dude, I know how white people think, even the so-called "liberal" ones. I know how white people talk when "colored folk" aren't around.


the HORNET

It's incredible for you to have that sort of insight being a White person.. much respect... you've truly listened to the world around you and become an informed citizen

 

[OzDDS]

This thread has truely turned into a steamy pile of crap.. as I'm sure everyone had envisioned it would eventually from the start.

 

[youngman]

for you vietnamese americans and others, white people can call themselves "all american guys/girls." how often do you call yourself "all american guy/girl?"

don't tell us that you are also an american, etc, etc. deep inside, you are not. even for those who were born in the US, i don't think that any of those will ever call themselves "all american," especially when they put on those t-shirts bearing a pre-viet cong flag.

 

[MD Rapper]

for you vietnamese americans and others, white people can call themselves "all american guys/girls." how often do you call yourself "all american guy/girl?"

don't tell us that you are also an american, etc, etc. deep inside, you are not. even for those who were born in the US, i don't think that any of those will ever call themselves "all american," especially when they put on those t-shirts bearing a pre-viet cong flag.

Maybe you should change your avatar to a confederate flag

 

[MD Rapper]

This thread has truely turned into a steamy pile of crap.. as I'm sure everyone had envisioned it would eventually from the start.

Agreed... I think it would be best to either discuss the issues properly or to just close the thread

 

[youngman]

md rapper. no need to give me big titles. confederate flag is not a racist flag.

second, i don't know if you were born in the usa or not. why don't ever want to call yourself "all american guy/girl?" if you think that you are so american, you should. what prevents you calling urself with such a name?

 

[Skip Intro]

This thread is completely asinine. Now do you guys feel better about yourselves? Seriously?

-Skip

 

[delchrys]

i like white people. they're the only ethnic group that i can associate with and GENERALLY not have any of them presume i'm racist because i'm white.

now, don't misread that as "white people are the only ethnic group that i can associate with," or "i only like white people," or "i like white people most." but, i did get a little fired up when rapperMD gave the verbal (and emoticon) thumbs up to Hornet871 for his diatribe. i'm sure hornet and rapper are both cool, honestly. at the same time, hornet went off on some self-loathing anti-white trip, and then rapper applauded his racism. i don't care if hornet is white or not, and i don't care if historically white people did xyz, or if white people tend to do xyz, WHEN YOU MAKE GENERALIZATIONS LIKE THAT, IT'S RACISM.

when will people learn? racism is bad. it is not "cool" or "in" to be racist towards whites, although it is somewhat the PC-popular thing recently. i get irritated because i didn't conquer a damned thing, nor did i oppress a single person in my life, yet i am lumped in with "white people" because it's acceptable to bash whites by virtue of their race?

blah.

 

[awdc]

sure, there is an american identity which is basically the white american identity. the rest of the world don't think that asians can be americans, everyone knows that americans = whites. why? just look at dominica, the local people already knew that vietnamese students are not real americans. those vietnamese students don't like to be called americans, because their club name doesn't have american in it. even the local dominica people know that americans are white people. the rest are not.

those asians are totally confused. they get offended if a white person doesn't think that they are americans. then they also the same people who don't call themselves americans.

Dude, did you even know that most of the officers in the Vietnamese Student Association aren't even Vietnamese? And when I look around the club, I bet about half of them aren't even Vietnamese. The Korean club similarly has non-Asians in its membership. And that last Filipino club dinner, there were so many non-Filipinos. So don't be blowing smoke at how these clubs are being separatist or dividing the student body. Obviously, you haven't cared enough to even attend a meeting.

"Those" Asians are most certainly not confused. They know ethnically what they are but they also know they are Americans by nationality.

 

[dtn3t]

As much as this is frustrating, this is beginning to be fun...
Let's see, where to start...

dtn3t, those viet cong haters are wearing a flag that has been banned in the native Viet Nam. and that is actually the case in most of the vietnam student associations at most colleges.
You're kidding me right? I dare you to go to a Vietnamese Student association meeting with a red flag with a yellow star in the middle. Please make sure your life insurance is good before doing this though.


"they love roots"??? they don't know what their roots are! because for one thing, the native vietnamese people are not using that flag any more."
As much as you don't want them to be, my roots are still as strong as ever. And the "native" vietnamese don't use that flag anymore because they aren't allowed. It's against the law. If they display it, they will be killed. In other words, die, expire, pass away, kick the bucket. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

" if you really want the roots, why don't you go back to viet nam , and find a local to marry?"
Huh? Do you really think that to know my roots I have to be in Vietnam? And what does marrying a local have to do with anything about know my roots? Does a redneck who moves to the city have to go back and marry a redneck to remember he's still a redneck?

asian students at ross can't even unify into one single club.
Do you expect the French, Spanish, English, and Polish to say, hey, we're all from Europe, let's merge and make a European club! Yippiiieeeee! No. They have their own languages, their own customs, their own cultures. They are all very different, just like the Japanese, Chinese, Koreans, and of course those damn Vietnamese.

and don't complain to the white people that they still think that you asians are foreigners, because you asked for it.
WE ASKED FOR IT? wow. Now, I know to you we are just people with black hair, slanty eyes, and we make funny sounds like ching chong all day long. Yes, we are foreigners in some respects. There's no way around it. But no one's complaining. Most of us go about our lives trying to work hard so that we can be somebody one day, not trying to complain to you that we're upset you think of us as foreigners.

if they don't take this opportunity to mingle with students of different cultures, how do they plan to actually deal with patients who are far more diverse.
I'm just wondering if you've actually done anything to try to intermingle with them? Or have you stood on the side glaring at them because they won't socialize with you? From some of the posts, it seems a lot of these clubs have become interracial. Where the hell have you been? Oh yeah, standing on the side complaining they don't socialize with other cultures.

yea, yea, the vietnam flag is not the one that you are wearing. quite frankly, the people who fought the bloody war against the americans liked it,
That's like saying the Confederate flag is ok because half the people fighting the Civil War liked it. Doesn't make it right buddy. Can't you understand the current Communist flag stands for no freedom? I hope you voted today, because the people of vietnam can't. Those students, and most of the "natives" in Vietnam as you put them, will always be for the flag of Democracy and Freedom, not for one that suppresses it.

you are all indeed clinging to a past that no one cares. by wearing a flag of the past, it only makes your more separated from the rest of the americans
No one cares? You really don't have a heart do you? You sit there and say these students aren't going to make good doctors because they don't want to talk to you, yet you make heartless comments like that? A lot of people care, I care, that's why I'm taking time out to respond. Look to yourself before you pass judgment. And how does it separate us? Do you really think someone's going to say, "man, that guy's not wearing the Communist flag of Vietnam, that must mean he's not American. I have to stay away from him..." You're an idiot. Sorry, I have to go back to name calling. I have to bring myself down to your level at least once.

they put vietnam before USA which is totally wrong, especially in Dominica.
If this is truly what's happening, I'm sorry to hear it, because you're right, that is totally wrong. But just because they are proud to show that they are Vietnamese does not mean they don't love the country that opened its doors up and gave them a better life. Just because they don't want to socialize with you doesn't mean that they hate America. We all love the American flag, and I salute it proudly every morning as it goes up, but we love the flag of freedom for Vietnam too. I don't see why you have so much hostility towards that flag and are so adament at accepting the Communist flag. I just don't understand.

That's all for now. Thanks to all those chiming in, no matter what side you're on. You're allowed that freedom. And to the poster that asked me not to stoop to a certain level, you're right. But i just couldn't help myself.

youngman, i await your response. Bring it!

Now on to the real drama, the election!

 

[dtn3t]

Just to show how much people still care, and how much people still hate that flag...Now granted, those protesters went a bit too far, but my goal is to show you how much that flag is hated.

New York Times
February 11, 1999
Passions of Vietnam War Revived in Little Saigon
By DON TERRY
WESTMINSTER, Calif. -- The passions, protests and restless ghosts of the Vietnam War came back to life Wednesday in a normally sleepy Orange County strip mall here, because a Vietnamese immigrant put up a poster of Ho Chi Minh in his electronics store and dared his fellow immigrants to take it down.
Those passions boiled over when the owner, Truong Van Tran, was knocked to the ground by an angry crowd that confronted him outside his store after a judge affirmed his right to display the poster.

The judge first had ordered him to take down the poster last month when demonstrators besieged his shop for five days. But Wednesday afternoon, as he returned to his shop to put it back up, his car was surrounded by protesters chanting "down with communism" and "go back to Vietnam."

Tran, 37, got out of his car and was confronted by a man who thrust a burning cigarette within an inch of his nose. Then another protester slapped Tran in the face with a hand covered with spit.

Tran fell to the pavement as his wife and two small children watched from a locked car. As Tran lay on the pavement, another man in the crowd draped the yellow, red-striped flag of South Vietnam over Tran and shouted, "Down with communism."

A woman in the crowd shouted, "I hope you die."

The police arrived about five minutes later and Tran was taken to a hospital by ambulance, complaining of chest pains.

Lt. Bill Lewis of the Westminster Police Department said police had asked Tran repeatedly to tell them if he was going to return to the shop so they could protect him. "But he just showed up," Lewis said.

The trouble began last month when Tran refused to take down the poster and a Vietnamese flag from his shop. The strip mall is in an area known as Little Saigon, which is home to about 300,000 Vietnamese immigrants.

For five days last month, as many as 400 immigrants rallied in front of Tran's small store, chanting "No to communism" and demanding that the display be removed.

Tran refused, saying that the First Amendment of his new country gave him the right to put up any poster or flag he wanted. The tension and the passions grew hotter.

One day, as Tran left the store, Hi-Tek, someone struck him in the back of the head and he fell to the sidewalk. He was treated at a hospital and released.

The mall's landlord took Tran to court to remove the display, contending that he was violating his lease by creating a public nuisance. The protest, the landlord said, was disrupting the other businesses in the mall, which is dominated by the signs and sounds of Vietnam, from food to videos to travel agencies.

Judge Barbara Tam Nomoto Schumann of Orange County Superior Court issued a preliminary injunction last month ordering Tran to remove the display.

But Wednesday, as more than 200 Vietnamese immigrants lined the courthouse hallway, many wearing stickers reading "No Vietnam communist," the judge dissolved her order. Though the "display is undisputedly offensive," she said, the poster and flag are symbols of free speech, "accorded the highest degree of First Amendment protection."

Then a team of beefy court officers escorted Tran and his family away through a back door. "It's a ringing victory for free speech," said one of Tran's lawyers, Peter Eliasberg of the American Civil Liberties Union.

"I have a right to hang whatever picture I like in my store," Tran said in an interview Wednesday. "I know the law in this country."

Tran, who came to the United States in 1980, said he developed an appreciation for the former North Vietnamese president after visiting Ho Chi Minh City in November.

But a lawyer representing the protesters, Stuart Parker, said Tran's display was not protected because the flag and the poster were "fighting words" for a people still haunted by the memories of a country many of them fled when the war ended in 1975.

"I don't see it as a victory for free speech," Parker said. "I see it as a victory for inflaming free speech. It's a gray line."

Parker said many Vietnamese immigrants believed Tran was paid by the communists to provoke his countrymen. Tran has denied being a communist and the protesters at the courthouse Wednesday admitted that they had no proof that he was. But whether he is or he is not, does not matter when it comes to his freedom of speech, said Ronald Talmo, another lawyer for Tran.

Talmo said Tran was not trying to provoke but to communicate with his fellow immigrants, to help heal his and their wounds and hearts. Tran's motivation, Talmo said, "is the more exposure Ho Chi Minh and the Vietnamese flag have, the greater the chance of dialogue between the competing factions and the better the chance for understanding."

Understanding has sometimes been hard to come by in Little Saigon. The area is rabidly anti-communist and during the 1980s protests occasionally turned to violence and arson. Even those who dared speak in support normalized relations between the United States and Vietnam could be branded communists. But in recent years, the passions had cooled considerably.

Tran said his poster and flag had been up for months. For the most part, Talmo said, no one seemed to care. But a couple of months ago, someone complained to his nephew who was working in the store and Tran fired off a fax to an anti-communist group of Vietnamese immigrants, challenging them "to come over and clear me out."

Tran said he thought they would come to talk to him. Instead, he said, they came "to hit me."

Some of the protesters, he said, go to temple every day. "What does Buddha say?" Tran asked. "He says forgive."

 

[toxin]

Dont you people have better things to do?!!!

 

[Hornet871]

There is no self-loathing in my understanding of how many white people think. I don't hate myself for being white, nor do I blame all white people for the fact that a helluva lot of us cheer when innocent Iraqis and other dark-skinned people are murdered by our Nazi military machine.

But I know the truth. Just as it is my responsibility to speak to my own group (whitefolk) so that we can face our weaknesses, conquer them, and improve the human race, so do I hope that people of other groups (black, Latino, East Asian) speak honestly about their own groups in an effort to improve themselves.

It is not my place, however, to criticize those groups needlessly, as it will simply come across as brute racism, moreso because I belong to the ascendant group in this nation (and the world). I have the utmost confidence that my East Asian, black, and brown brothers will self-police and strive for greatness the way I know they are able.

Please understand that I did not come to these conclusions by sitting alone in my bedroom reading left-wing tracts. I have traveled extensively (47 countries at last count) and attended school on four different continents. I have spent considerable time in so-called "ethnic rivalry hotspots" in India, Israel/Palestine, and the former Yugoslavia.

I no more hate "my own kind" (white people) than I do Chinese, Arab, or Native American people. The only thing I have learned - really learned internally, and not just lip-synched in a PC fashion - is that people everywhere are exactly the same and all want the same things.


the HORNET

 

[delchrys]

i agree with everything you said in this most recent post, hornet.

now i must sleep...

 

[youngman]

i don't like to attend those ethnic, religion based club events. so i don't know about if what you wrote is true or not.

however, if there are many non-vietnames, non-philipino, non-koreans joining those ethic name based clubs, then why they feel the need to use those names. it is certainly misleading, and second if they can't even represent the name that suggests, why do they continue to use them?

people judge by the appearance. don't go back to the states, then complain that white people don't consider you as americans. 'cause you did it upon yourself.

and some of their club activity ADs will specially put "you can join even if you are not a philpino/vietnamese, etc. "

So what is the purpose of naming a club in the ethic name when you want all others to join. is this some kind of culture hegemony? you won't to dominiate your culture?

Dude, did you even know that most of the officers in the Vietnamese Student Association aren't even Vietnamese? And when I look around the club, I bet about half of them aren't even Vietnamese. The Korean club similarly has non-Asians in its membership. And that last Filipino club dinner, there were so many non-Filipinos. So don't be blowing smoke at how these clubs are being separatist or dividing the student body. Obviously, you haven't cared enough to even attend a meeting.

"Those" Asians are most certainly not confused. They know ethnically what they are but they also know they are Americans by nationality.

 

[MD Rapper]

Seriously I thought this thread was done... youngman, why are you beating a dead horse?

We know your opinions... just realize that you will keep getting responses since your views are unorthodox.

 

[awdc]

So what is the purpose of naming a club in the ethic name when you want all others to join. is this some kind of culture hegemony? you wont to dominiate your culture?

Okay, since you asked, it's so that people of differing ethnicities can learn/share/partake something from another culture... duh!

 

[ssman]

sad to see doctors so ignorant about ethnic issues. go read some US ethnic studies books. (then it won't be simply amusing, but a more serious matter, especially for those affected: "I find it amusing that it's socially acceptable to have a black student association or an asian student association... but a white student association.. automatically they must be a racist group.")

 

[DrFitness2009]

sad to see doctors so ignorant about ethnic issues. go read some US ethnic studies books. (then it won't be simply amusing, but a more serious matter, especially for those affected: "I find it amusing that it's socially acceptable to have a black student association or an asian student association... but a white student association.. automatically they must be a racist group.")

These are doctors?

First of all, I wasn't going to get involved, then I had to when I saw the last statement. When I read,

"I find it amusing that it's socially acceptable to have a black student association or an asian student association... but a white student association.. automatically they must be a racist group."

.....when people have gone through oppression in the US for almost 400 years (and maybe still in some ways), let them have their groups. If they made it through that, they probably have earned it. I just hope that these organizations or groups will be about spreading love and peace. To allow that to fight their battles. Dont fight hate with hate.

Please understand that racism is evil, and leads to some of the worst crimes this planet has ever seen.

There were 'groups' in the 50s & 60s...and they allowed people in who were not of their race, but showed love. So there is nothing wrong with groups. Its the underlying group objective that eventually will show its face, whether good or evil.

 

[OzDDS]

Please understand that racism is evil.

Its the underlying group objective that eventually will show its face, whether good or evil.

Pretty True, but you also can't hold double standards. Remember their are racists of every color! Racists don't only come in "white".

How could you say that an indian club or an asian club would be any less exclusive? Either allow everyone to have their clubs and groups or ablolish all of them. But whatever your decision.. you can't single out one group and tell them they aren't allowed. That sort of thinking is what started these problems in the first place.

 

[rocker]

"I find it amusing that it's socially acceptable to have a black student association or an asian student association... but a white student association.. automatically they must be a racist group."

Black Student Association? I've never heard of such a thing. Have you? I know of legitimate African-American Associations, but I've never heard of a Black Students Association. Maybe the White Students Club needs to be renamed to European Anglos or something like that.

 

[ssman]

oh really, you haven't genius? go read some books and figure out what the issue is before you try to act like you have some insight

 

[ssman]

"let them have their groups. If they made it through that, they probably have earned it."

we have another genius

 

[youngman]

Okay, since you asked, it's so that people of differing ethnicities can learn/share/partake something from another culture... duh!

no. not really. last time, chinese student association held a bingo night. is that really a chinese culture? not really. And this time, the philipino one on campus is planning a party with techno music, etc. is it philipino? no.

and the vietnamese students held a halloween party. is it a viet tradition? no.

so in a way, all those asian clubs on campus don't really know a clue about their own cultures at all. they are just abusing those names. it is like i will have a club called cooking club, but when all we do in the club is smoking and drinking.

for others, there is nothing wrong with a white student club on campus at Dominica. because whites are the real minorities at dominica, and on campus. they come to dominica with culture shocks, etc, so it is perfectly normal.

 

[youngman]

my response to dtn3t:

You're kidding me right? I dare you to go to a Vietnamese Student association meeting with a red flag with a yellow star in the middle. Please make sure your life insurance is good before doing this though.

exactly. so you are just saying that those viet students who have US passports, who still don't know how to love USA first. by making those clubs existing, they only help to make those viet students more separated from the rest of the US people.

and how many of those students lived in that error of the time in viet nam. none. what heck do they know about that time, the rulers, etc. none. they are really just pretending to like something that they know nothing about.

As much as you don't want them to be, my roots are still as strong as ever. And the "native" vietnamese don't use that flag anymore because they aren't allowed. It's against the law. If they display it, they will be killed.

same thing happened to one viet guy in southern california, he was displaying the real viet nam flag, and the same non-american viet people living in USA tried to use force to forbid him to display his viet nam flag. talking about demcocracy. you think that viet congs are bad, look at those viets at southern california, they are just as bad as the viet congs.

oh, yea, your roots. like i wrote before, you don't know the "roots." by displaying a flag, eatting something in viet style, that doesn't help you to know ur roots. you will know your roots when you actually think and talk like one of those viet people in viet nam which will never happen.

Huh? Do you really think that to know my roots I have to be in Vietnam? And what does marrying a local have to do with anything about know my roots?

yes, i do. just because some white people may like chinese food, watch chinese movies, that won't make them real chinese. you are not a viet, because you don't know how to think like one. and there is no way to pretend it in any way of form. and if you really know your roots, you should find the real viet people are far more attractive than those viet people in the USA. if you won't never go find a real viet people to marry, it is simply because you know deep in your heart, you think totally different than those people. therefore, you can't find common languages among those people. therefore, we know that you are just all pretending to be a viet.

Do you expect the French, Spanish, English, and Polish to say, hey, we're all from Europe, let's merge and make a European club!

do you think that mexicans, chilians, purto ricans are really the same even though they speak the same language? well, of course, no. however, they are able to form one club here at Ross, and is doing pretty good. And white students certainly are different in their origins, they can form a club. so don't make excuses for why koreans, viets, chinese can't form one club at ross. like the christianity sort of culture washed the entire europe land, chinese philosophy and way of life influenced deeply in korea, viet, japan, etc.
even you can be different from your own twin. separation is not the way to go.

WE ASKED FOR IT? wow. Now, I know to you we are just people with black hair, slanty eyes, and we make funny sounds like ching chong all day long. Yes, we are foreigners in some respects. There's no way around it.

no, if you have a US passport, you are not a foreigner. i never said that white culture is the only "american" culture. are you having an identity problem? i think that it is one of the reason why some asians think that they need to have their "asian pride," and they need to find their "roots." because they can't identify themselves with white people, therefore, they think that they are not 'americans."

of course, just like those viet people in sothern cal. got upset for another viet man displaying a viet nam flag. what do you think how the white people will think? those viet people are just foreigners, 'cause they were getting emotional over a non-US flag. i doubt that any viet people in the US will get upset if another viet person displaying a confederate flag. so in conclusion, viet people are not "americans," cause they really don't care about being an american.

From some of the posts, it seems a lot of these clubs have become interracial. Where the hell have you been? Oh yeah, standing on the side complaining they don't socialize with other cultures.

by joining any of those ethnic name based clubs, i will only make them lasting longer. therefore, i always chose not to join any of their activity, because i do not believe in their principles.

and why do they want to call themselves this student association, and that student association. from the name which suggests, those clubs are only for one particular ethnic group. they should change the name to culture club, then i will consider about it.

Can't you understand the current Communist flag stands for no freedom? I hope you voted today, because the people of vietnam can't. Those students, and most of the "natives" in Vietnam as you put them, will always be for the flag of Democracy and Freedom, not for one that suppresses it.

are you saying that yellow disregarded flag is for "democracy and freedom?" most of the viet people who were able to escape at that time are just like thoe cuban exciles. they are rich people, they are not some poor working class people. they have real gold bars, that is why they were able to buy boats to escape. so that flag really just stands for the rich viet people at that time.

all the poor working class people are still living in viet nam, because they had no choice whether they like the new viet cong government or not. frankly, they had more freedom under the yellow flag. that is obvious. many of the working class people are now officers in the new viet conggovernment, to them, they are freer than ever.


And how does it separate us? Do you really think someone's going to say, "man, that guy's not wearing the Communist flag of Vietnam, that must mean he's not American. I have to stay away from him..."

you think that they are all "americans" even though they like to wear t-shirts bearing a viet flag? ask those people to wear the same t-shirt to any other countries, would those native people think that those viet people are "americans"?

of course, by wearing a flag of another nation t-shirt, those students are declaring that they are not americans. and here at dominica, they are "educating" the local dominica people the same way.

But just because they are proud to show that they are Vietnamese does not mean they don't love the country that opened its doors up and gave them a better life.

so they want to be some proud foreigners rather than americans. that is exactly my point. of course, most white people in the usa are quite open about it. to them, you people are just foreigners. go get upset for a viet cong flag in southern cal, 'cause it is not an american business.

we love the flag of freedom for Vietnam too.
oh, please. if the people of viet nam really liked that flag, they wouldn't have formed a viet cong party, and then formed a strong kick ass army which not only overthrew the southern viet government, but also the american troops which were much well equipped.

why would the people of viet nam fight for a bloody war if they already had the freedom. you are obviously brainwashed by all those rich viet people who escaped from viet nam.

besides, r u an american or not? do most americans like you, love the flag of "freedom of vietnam?" no, not really. therefore, you are obviously not a real 100% "all american."

oh, that brings my other point, if you think that you are american, how many of you dare to claim that you are an "all american" guy/girl? no.

I don't see why you have so much hostility towards that flag and are so adament at accepting the Communist flag. I just don't understand.

i don't hate about anyone wearing the flag, etc. i just think that if you people want to be real americans, you should stop wearing the flag. that only makes you separated from the rest.

 

[ssman]

Here we have a white boy, natural born, he "know how to think like one".

Go with some humility to one of the diversity clubs and not your imperialistic thought process defining the world and all it's people, WE KNOW THAT's IMPLIED AT YOUR WHITE CLUB, as you are a representation of it.

you are not a viet, because you don't know how to think like one. and there is no way to pretend it in any way of form.

It's not so simple

 

[OzDDS]

Ok. either we need to have some people dropped from this thread, or the thread closed. This has become a very ignorant conversation.

 

[nabeya]

It's funny seeing Preppystud up to his immature games. He just does it to get a kick out of peoples responses. It's funny seeing this guy post the most ridiculous comments because everybody that knows who he is at Ross knows that he wouldn't say half of the ******ed things he does in real life, he can only do it under "supposed" anonymity. He insults asians but yet he is of Chinese descent himself. Just take everything Preppystud says with a grain of salt, because he's one of those people that lives his life on the internet and in real life he has that anti social personality; no friends, does everything alone. Yes, everybody knows who the Preppystud is, but he'll just keep denying it, while he's typing a response from the very back of the computer lab.
Whats the point of this thread?? It's just to tell you guys that this poster is an idiot and just says things to try and piss people off. He wouldn't dare say any of this BS to somebody's face. You know who you are YOUNGMAN, and quit looking at gay frat boy porn in the Ross library, save that when you are at home alone and everybody that sits next to you doesn't have to see it too.

You guys wanna see who Preppystud really is?

Edited by Leorl: In the interest of privacy, please do not post links to personal sites without the user's permission.

 

[MD Rapper]

It's funny seeing Preppystud up to his immature games. He just does it to get a kick out of peoples responses. It's funny seeing this guy post the most ridiculous comments because everybody that knows him IN PERSON knows that he wouldn't say half of the ******ed things he does in real life, he can only do it under "supposed" anonymity. He insults asians but yet he is of Chinese descent himself. Just take everything Preppystud says with a grain of salt, because he's one of those people that lives his life on the internet and in real life he has that anti social personality; no friends, does everything alone. Yes, I know this guy personally so I can tell you alot about him and his weird ways.

Whats the point of this thread?? It's just to tell you guys that this poster is an idiot and just says things to try and piss people off. He wouldn't dare say any of this BS to somebody's face. You know who you are YOUNGMAN, and quit looking at gay frat boy porn in the Ross library, save that when you are at home alone and everybody that sits next to you doesn't have to see it too.

You guys wanna see who Preppystud really is? Click here and read for yourself.

If you're for real, (and you're probably telling the truth because I don't know anyone who would go to such great lengths to argue this issue), then youngman is definitely a TROLL!

It's funny... I know the youngman type.. I had a friend like that back in high school... he was a loser and he still is one... Lies out of his ass and is miserably unhappy with his life... all he had to do was to stop being fake... always hiddenly trying to prove something.

Youngman... I deeply despise you and its sad to see people like you become doctors... (probably doing it for whatever money is left in the career). It's because of people like you that our malpractice insurance premiums will remain high and that doctors will continue to get a bad wrap. You might be a very intelligent guy but you're a serious loser... I feel bad for all the people's time you have wasted on this thread.

This time, I'm not hating on you for your views, I'm hating on you for the type of person you are.. I wish you luck in life.. you'll need it.

 

[youngman]

md rapper, a person's maturity can be decided by his arguments. you have just gone so low, now you can't disapprove my arguments, you are trying to attack me personally. that only shows that you have ran out of reasons to have a mature discussion.

calling me a loser, or anything won't make you become better. don't use big words such as "despise", write out and tell us why you despise me.

talking about malpractice, i think that you will less likely get sued if you are less different.

are you a shallow person? how can you judge me as a "person" when you have not even talked to me in person.

I
Youngman... I deeply despise you and its sad to see people like you become doctors... (probably doing it for whatever money is left in the career). It's because of people like you that our malpractice insurance premiums will remain high .....

This time, I'm not hating on you for your views, I'm hating on you for the type of person you are.. I wish you luck in life.. you'll need it.

 

[MD Rapper]

md rapper, a person's maturity can be decided by his arguments. you have just gone so low, now you can't disapprove my arguments, you are trying to attack me personally. that only shows that you have ran out of reasons to have a mature discussion.

calling me a loser, or anything won't make you become better. don't use big words such as "despise", write out and tell us why you despise me.

talking about malpractice, i think that you will less likely get sued if you are less different.

are you a shallow person? how can you judge me as a "person" when you have not even talked to me in person.

Do I really even need to respond? I think your "friend" did all the work for me.

 

[leorl]

This thread has turned into a personal bash-fest. If the issue is not discussed further in a positive and productive manner, this thread will be closed.

 

[ssman]

Would you like me to reference you to a psychotherapist. As future caretakers, I am sure all of us encourage you to go see a therapist and I am sure everyone here will be supportive of your decision to seek psychotherapy.

 

[dtn3t]

Ok. either we need to have some people dropped from this thread, or the thread closed. This has become a very ignorant conversation.

Agreed.

 

[MD Rapper]

Might as well just close it.. nothing constructive is coming out of this...

 

[GaryM]

?Pride comes from a term, which literally means, "to be swollen." In other words, Pride is a failure of sight ? a failure of sight, which makes us see ourselves in a distorted way: as bigger than we are ? more important, more deserving.
When we cling to this distorted view of ourselves bad things happen. When we come to believe we are better than we really are, then everyone around us is a threat. They are a threat because they might be able to see us a little clearly than we do ourselves. And when they do ? and when we know it ? we strike out at them, because the truth hurts.

A parent lashes out at his child for pointing out something he did wrong but doesn?t want to admit. A boss passes over an employee who has questioned her judgement. A political leader steadfastly refuses to acknowledge unpleasant truths that have been brought to light, but instead strikes out at the people who revealed them. Government bureaucrats ruin a whistle-blower?s career. It happens. Maybe even to you and me. Maybe even by you and me. None of us are immune. Not even nations. Not even the Church. Nations have broken treaties and fought wars over pride. And to defend Pride churches have fought crusades, excommunicated, and shunned.

The people and organizations and leaders and nations afflicted with it can do so much harm, so quickly. And the more powerful are those afflicted with Pride, the more extensive and quick is the damage they can do.

But if Pride is the result of distorted vision, then it must have a flip side. The other side of Pride is Shame. Shame is also the result of distorted vision, but in the opposite direction. Shame is to believe that you are less than you are, lower than you are, not good enough.
We can just as easily cling to Shame as we do to Pride, and when we do cling to this opposite distortion, bad things happen. We do violence to ourselves, running ourselves down, trapping and hurting ourselves with self-defeating behavior and self-fulfilling prophecies.

Humility is very different. Humility is an openness to seeing yourself, having a realistic opinion of your strengths and weaknesses, but always asking for less than you think you are entitled to (and giving more that we believe we owe).

Freeing us to recognize the distortions in the way we see ourselves and each other, and enabling us to look past those distortions to see ourselves and each other the way we really are ? not swollen or deflated ? but as we are. And to love each other and ourselves without condition.
And there is an added bonus. Once we see and accept the way we are, then we can see far enough ahead to see ourselves and each other.?


-Anonymous