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I think that this thread has moved out of the scope of general residency issues, and should be moved to TIH.
HA! read it and weep!
Antibiotics Causing Sinus Infections
- There are two types of bacteria: good bacteria, which lives in the intestines helping to digest food and strengthening the body's immune system, and bad bacteria, which causes illness and infection. Antibiotics can't tell the difference between the two, so taking them before a bacterial infection has been determined causes more harm than good. According to the Annapolis Chronic Fatigue and Fibromyalgia Research Center, short-term sinus infections can be turned into chronic infections by the use of antibiotics. Yeast infections, long associated with antibiotic use in women, can travel to the sinuses. According to Dr. Marjorie Greenfield of the Case School of Medicine and University Hospitals of Cleveland, studies have shown that between 25 and 70 percent of female patients develop yeast infections following antibiotic treatments.
don't act like im the representation of these 15,000 residency spots, they will be much like yourselves, more versed and eloquent in the science of medicine. im just one of the outlier country bumpikin style docs that don't like to show off knowledge and like to talk to the patients at a level they can understand as well as to all people, so they can understand and not be way above their heads like most doctors like to sound. to me thats just not my style. but more power to you if you think thats the way all docs should be. but don't be prejudice and try to leave people like me entirely out of the whole system just because im not like the people of SDN.
HA! read it and weep!
Antibiotics Causing Sinus Infections
- There are two types of bacteria: good bacteria, which lives in the intestines helping to digest food and strengthening the body's immune system, and bad bacteria, which causes illness and infection. Antibiotics can't tell the difference between the two, so taking them before a bacterial infection has been determined causes more harm than good. According to the Annapolis Chronic Fatigue and Fibromyalgia Research Center, short-term sinus infections can be turned into chronic infections by the use of antibiotics. Yeast infections, long associated with antibiotic use in women, can travel to the sinuses. According to Dr. Marjorie Greenfield of the Case School of Medicine and University Hospitals of Cleveland, studies have shown that between 25 and 70 percent of female patients develop yeast infections following antibiotic treatments.
check your medscape mobile, look up uncomplicated cystitis in nonpregant women...it says tmp smx and nitrofurantoin are first line and cipro is second line. so you're saying medscape is wrong and you are absolutely right? says who?
ur not a family doctor, its not ur specialty, so you would NEVER know something like that. dont even tell me u know. ur so focused on the gut why would you know about common ailments that GP's take care of?
for your info, i posted this on facebook and got likes and nice comments. when i post here, i get derogatory remarks. i know what's real and whats fake.
docu, I AM a primary care doctor, who sees general practice patients. I'm board certified by the ABFM and completed an FM residency. And the way you took care of that patient was...not great.
Antibiotics are not the optimal way to treat most cases of sinusitis. And yes, sinusitis is a clinical diagnosis, but you missed a few other diagnostic criteria.
Since you clearly don't seem to understand the pathogenesis behind true bacterial sinusitis, it is a disruption in the muco-ciliary clearance of the sinuses. NOT from bacterial or yeast overgrowth. And trust me, if the Cipro caused a yeast infection that "traveled" to the sinuses, and the patient DID get a fungal sinusitis as a result....they would be pretty sick. Fungal sinusitis is rare. And Ampicillin wouldn't treat a fungal sinusitis anyway.
Which antibiotics are first line for UTIs varies highly by geography. Just because a patient had symptoms after completing Cipro does not mean that the UTI was fully treated - I have had a number of patients with Cipro-resistant UTIs. But you did not get a culture despite a treatment failure, so it's impossible to say whether or not the patient was adequately treated. Your description of your treatment plan and thought process behind it is below the level of what I would expect an FM PGY-2 to know. It's below what I think an FM intern should know.
Just because patients love you does not mean that you are a good doctor. And just because you're "better" than some doctors who push narcotics or an NP or a PA, doesn't mean that you're a good doctor, either.
you didn't give their research a chance so that makes you crazy to think you know something you've never in your life researched before or even looked up. so that mak es you just as bat dung crazy as you say i am. no need for insults unless you want to stoop to that level.Did you seriously just quote:
A. An ehow.com article?
B. The "Annapolis Chronic Fatigue, Fibromyalgia and Generally Just Bat**** Crazy Research Center"
...to support your assertions?
today i knew what a hemorrhoid looked like and got this lady some surgical intervention. lol..the nurse practitioner misdiagnosed it , didn't refer the patient to a surgeon, and treated her for UTI just cuz there was blood in her urine. which subsequently caused her a sinus infection. this is why the gov needs to make 15,000 residency spots to fill the doctor shortage instead of replace them with NP's and PAs.
We need more doctors!!! say no to the NP/PA take over.
So like today this one doctor in this one city saw this one patient. I know what early onset Alzheimers looks like and instead of getting this patient (an attending himself might I add) the proper medical care, the other doctor misdiagnosed it.. didn't provide the OP.. err... I mean the patient with the proper care and treated him for erectile dysfunction instead which subsequently caused aneurysms in people trying to decipher an online post by the said patient. This is why the govt needs to make 15,000 new NP/PA spots to fill the doctor shortage instead of replace them with residents and attendings.
O and the usual SDN trademark at the end.. n=1.
Spoken by a pharmacist who's entire life and living primarily depends on a doctor's signature. the more doctors there are, the more business you will get. but i guess you can't see that, ur an ungrateful pharmacist for God's sake. u want more NP's and PA's, well less doctor signatures for you i guess.
Nah, its the attitude of certain professions (including my own) that seem to suffer from narcissism and can't come to terms with the fact that there are many tasks that can be delegated to other professions. Like for example, take a vending machine and put pills in the said machine and voila! You have essentially replaced 70% of retail pharmacists.
Also, I couldn't care less about my business. I am more interested in best care for the patient. If costs can be kept down with mid-level help and the patient gets similar quality of care provided by a PCP, why not implement such measures and broaden access in a time when the healthcare system is in dire need of PCP's?
Off topic, but one of my former medical assistants used to think I should get tested for Alzheimer's. She's like maybe you should see a neurologist and be on Alzheimer's medications. People are stupid and don't know anything.
you didn't give their research a chance so that makes you crazy to think you know something you've never in your life researched before or even looked up. so that mak es you just as bat dung crazy as you say i am. no need for insults unless you want to stoop to that level.
A doctor is the best PCP you can get. why do you want a lesser version of a doctor if you care so much about the best care for your patient looks like you care more about cutting down costs in someone else's office that isn't even yours. that is not caring about care, that is caring about being a cheapo. I dont mean to insult anyone but NP and PA help out in the office but they can't really take charge or fully own up to things like a doctor can, espeically liability issues. you'll see a doctor correct themselves so much faster and better. They can work for docs and run the office while the doc just signs everything, but other than that, that is all they really can do to the highest capacity. not to be egotistical, but i find this true. NP and PA do not have the same extensive training as a doctor and they are not put to the test like a doctor is, so the care is mediocre to less. I have noticed this. they don't even have to do residency like a doctor. they just go straight out of school to their job. they have never jumped through the hoops a doctor has had to.
I work with a PA and he does bulk of the work, but I still have to see the patient myself in addition to him and sign things and do the prescribing and ordering, that is like doubling up on work, so maybe in fact, it is costing more, but it just makes the docs life easier. I mean this PA is doing the work of a nurse that would cost even less. But maybe because it is a hospital they want him to work as such. i dont get it but thats how it is where i work.
sorry docu, but the midlevels I work with are very good, and seem to provide at the very least equivalent care to you. In addition, they come to me if there's anything complex or worrisome, and if I correct their plan, they don't become upset and defensive, something you don't seem to be capable of doing..
Just for your own edification, you are not supposed to treat uncomplicated sinus infections with antibiotics. Take a look at any of the recent sinusitis articles in the last few years. Appropriate therapy is conservative and based around actually draining the sinuses. Cipro, macrobid, bactrim, keflex are all appropriate drugs for UTI's. Your local resistance patterns, allergies, and urine cultures dictate what's appropriate. For instance, where I am, cipro and bactrim are not that great, macrobid and keflex are much more effective.
I will say I've never seen a sinus infection ever caused by an antibiotic in all honesty. The pathophys of sinus infxn's precludes it. Rather, I have seen yeast infections, BV, and C Diff caused by antibiotic use.
I dont think anyone has seen sinus infection caused by an antibiotic or at least has documented it. abx acutally cure it, but who's to say that too much can cause another infection. i looked all over the web and pubmed. the weather has just started to get cold here, so i suspect it must be most likely viral in retrospect since it happened acutely. but who knows, what if it is something new or long existing that needs to be looked into. people sometimes know their bodies very well. the one who suggested the sinusitis came from her cipro was the patient herself lol..she was on 3 extra days than she should have been so she may have developed resistance with that somehow...i never knew it could, but it could be a yet undiscovered possibility. my mind was boggled when she told that to me, i couldn't rule it out. o well. maybe, maybe not. who knows.
Maybe she was just worried about the voices in your head.
And now you're waffling on the issue.
Before you said "this dumb NP gave my patient cipro for a UTI, then she got a sinus infection that was caused by the cipro."
Now you're saying, "well, she took more cipro than she needed (a valid point...I grant you that...but you'll ignore this, guaranteed), and got sinusitis at the same time which was probably viral but might possibly have been a never before described cipro-resistant, super virulent bacterial sinusitis that I cured with my mighty powers of prescribing a different antibiotic...or maybe it was just viral and got better on its own...who knows. Que sera sera."
Gonad up and own your decision-making or just stop...you're making the NP look better with every post you make.
i remember the days u were just a wee little fellow. now ur all big attending on campus like i am LOL
There was still no need to treat it with antibiotics, that's the wrong medication to use. Affrin for 3 days and then 1 wk f/u with sudafed would've been a more appropriate regimen.
Your attitude, though, is pretty lousy and probably what is keeping you from going as far as you want in this world..
Are you f***ing kidding me? I'm not hiding behind a title. I'm standing with my training and education. There's no LOL here. You seriously need to get a grip on reality if you have any hope of ever being taken seriously by anybody other than your FB friends.
point being made that we need to push for 15,000 residency spots, so we can't have NP's that don't know how things are done, even moreso than even I don't know. You think I dont know anything? what about them??? an NP gave this poor lady 7 days of cipro....instead of 3 days like epocrates says. the lady said it made her feel sick! and cipro has a high side effect profile. its something you want to minimize taking. the NP told the lady she had to get a colonoscopy for hemorrhoids....when its a sigmoidoscopy...i just felt sorry for this poor woman. she knew she wasn't being treated properly by a nurse practitioner and was happy to see a doctor to set her straight. i sent her to see a gen surgeon asap the same day to get her hemorrhoid removed. i looked at it and it was external, not internal like the NP stated. it could just be banded and removed. this poor lady was in severe pain. not to mention she was going to be in a horse show thie next day and had to ride a horse on a saddle!! ouuuuch! well i might be wrong, im not a surgeon. i know the thrombosed hemorrhoid could be diminished nonsurgically in 1-2 weeks with sitz baths and pain meds, but this lady didn't have that kind of time. i was thinking she could get it removed.
we dont need no stinkin nurse practitionerz!
if im not mistaken, you may be a troll for all anyone knows. whats with all these nonsensical posts of yours?
oh yeah me and my voices are as real as it gets.
ok thats what i always used to use. flonase and pseudoephedrine 12 hour otc and , if it gets worse with green sputum in 7 or so days then amoxicillin 500 bid #14.... forgot. its been a while since i ran into a cold. that was last year...
i dont know what you mean by my attitude.
Since people seem to be responding to you as if you are a legitimate poster, I would also like to point out that a colonoscopy is often indicated in patients with hemorrhoids. If the patient with hemorrhoids has blood in the stool, they need a colonoscopy to rule out other causes of GI bleed. Cannot be attributed to hemorrhoids without confirmation.
Not flonase, affrin. Flonase is good for rhinitis though. I never prescribe it as an EP, though. I swear it causes colds, lol. I leave that to the the primaries.
That's the problem that you don't know what I mean by your attitude, you're snarky, and at the same time defensive, thinking you know more than everyone else, don't take criticism well, and instead of correcting behavior, get into further conflict. Doesn't make any educator happy, and makes you very hard to teach. I doubt you even realize you do this fully, or that you realize how much it can impede your career. But I'm sure it already has.
if u think im so bad, then let me get into residency so i and people like me can finish and improve. call for 15,000 residency spots.
if u think im so bad, then let me get into residency so i and people like me can finish and improve. call for 15,000 residency spots.
I don't think you're teachable at present because of your attitude.
You already had your chance. Based on what another poster said, you may have had TWO chances. Why do you deserve another? Why take away that spot from someone else?
You're an attending, and you don't know how to use oral antidiabetic agents or calculate insulin dosages, or what drugs are first-line for hypertension? Really...?
That's because it isn't simple and straightforward.
I suggest you get some CME. There's no way anyone's going to be able to tell you what you need to know in an SDN post. In the meantime, consider referring all of your diabetics to endocrinology so you don't kill anyone.
Well, there you go. AMF, YOYO.
Not an insult. Kinda like saying, "Goodbye, and good luck."
i just saw this guy today....wow...he was flushing..he was turning so red...it was scary...i think he has some sort of endocrine tumor like a pheo or thyroid cancer...thank God i found out how to work it up in Uptodate. medscape disappointed me on that one. i was ordering all kinds of tests and referred to endocrinology. now can an NP do stuff like that? if so i would be impressed.
Yes, the NP can easily do that. They can also tell the person to stop taking niacin.
if u think im so bad, then let me get into residency so i and people like me can finish and improve. call for 15,000 residency spots.
First, you had a shot at residency.
Second, and more realistically, there are literally hundreds of open IM and family medicine slots available today and roughly a thousand right after the match. I don't think that you would be well served by another 15,000 slots if a program would rather have an open slot than take you. There arent enough people to fill those extra 15,000 slots anyway except TWKs.