every other direct patient contact person has to wear scrubs or uniforms of some kind, beside us. Even food services who have very little direct pt. contact have to wear uniforms, but NOT US!! MUAHAHA! List your fave perks here!
Perks of being a doc: NO SCRUBS!!
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That is the worst "perk" ever.
Scrubs are a bonus; not a minus. I would wear scrubs all day, everyday, if I could get away with it.
Scrubs are a bonus; not a minus. I would wear scrubs all day, everyday, if I could get away with it.
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Seriously... that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard!!!! I hate dressing up. I have arranged my fourth year schedule so that I could have the most possible "scrubs only" rotations possible. So far, I took a month off, had a month of path, and I'm starting a month of emergency now and have another emergency rotation lined up for next month, followed by forensic path. That's five months in a row where I only have to dress up sparingly. I won't have to dress up regularly again until my Nov/Dec rotation in Peds Psych or when I start interviewing, whichever comes first.
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Really?
You can yell at your pts (I can't do that w/o repercussions)
You can move to a samll town, yell at the ancillary staff, and (poof) nothing happens...
You get free pastries and Starbuck's in your "break room" in said small town (I have the master key, so thank you for this perk, as you don't show up until 0900 to see your 15 pts...niiiiice; I get there at 0600 to get first pick)...
And you leave at 1600...Yea, I know - 15 pts in 7 hours (after the ED doc did all the work) is soooo hard...
Oh yea, you also get the hot nurses (beware...they are craaaaaaaaaaaaazy)
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I don't know about perks all I could find was this survey about physican's salary and the recruting incentives they were given.
http://www.merritthawkins.com/pdf/2007_Review_of_Physician_and_CRNA_Recruiting_Incentives.pdf
http://www.merritthawkins.com/pdf/2007_Review_of_Physician_and_CRNA_Recruiting_Incentives.pdf
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I don't see how yelling at people without repercussions is a perk... I think I'd be perfectly happy not yelling at other people. I dunno... maybe it's just me.
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Instead, she just yells at the doctors.
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What the? Yell at my patients without repercussions.... Sounds like you dont read the papers studies that show docs get sued more when then they are rude.
Nurses are crazy.. hot or not. Expected of them, it's a side effect of being in the medical field. It's contagious.. but at least it's only shift work for them.
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One of the reasons I went into surgery was for the scrubs... 
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No one questions me when I have blood on my shoes.
I can get the "professional discount" on cosmetic procedures.
I never again have to buy Band-aids, Ace wraps, Bacitracin or any number of other medical supplies.
I can wear a shower cap all day, talk to myself and have blood on my shoes and no one calls the police.
I can park closer to the hospital.
I can get the "professional discount" on cosmetic procedures.
I never again have to buy Band-aids, Ace wraps, Bacitracin or any number of other medical supplies.
I can wear a shower cap all day, talk to myself and have blood on my shoes and no one calls the police.
I can park closer to the hospital.
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ER docs scold patients, and sometimes get very cross with them (arguably their job, falling under "teaching")
I have seen many yell over the last 12 years, in many ERs...
From a nursing perspective, I will reprimand nursing for scolding patients, and yelling at them...
My post was mostly tongue in cheek, but docs are allowed waaay more latitude when it comes to this, that's all...
I have seen many yell over the last 12 years, in many ERs...
From a nursing perspective, I will reprimand nursing for scolding patients, and yelling at them...
My post was mostly tongue in cheek, but docs are allowed waaay more latitude when it comes to this, that's all...
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Is it a coincidence "blood on my shoes" came up twice in your list?
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Were you in my ED yesterday? Oh wait, nah, that was a drunken homeless guy with feet you could smell from 20 yards away. Don't know where he got the shower cap but it had flowers on it. And someone did call the police which is why I got to spend the afternoon with him. But sometimes it is hard to tell those guys from the surgeons
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Wearing scrubs anywhere outside the OR brings down your status. You become inseparable from all the commoners (techs, orderlies, high school volunteer students, etc) who also wear scrubs all over the hospital. One of the badassest attendings I know wears suits that cost more than the residents' monthly income anytime he's not in the OR. We're talking about direct-from-Italy-handmade-by-Vito-himself-top-of-the-line-suits. There's no mistaking he's the man in charge when he steps on the wards. And the fact that he wears clothes more expensive than their monthly income puts the residents even more in their place.
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We have a status board in our ED (well, every ED has one) upon which is written the patients initials, age, chief complaint, resident following, nurse and tentative plan (Home or Admit). I had a patient who came in for a chief complaint of "Out of my Blood Pressure Meds" who had a blood pressure of 220/110.
Written on the board was "Needs BP meds and lecture."
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Whoa. Your patients know you by your bearing, your command of language, your knowledge, and your skills. I wear nothing but scrubs, never wear my white coat, and no patient has ever addressed me as anything other than "Doctor," even patients who don't know me and even before I introduce myself.
Typically, the patient or a family member will be talking on their cell phone and when I walk in the room will say, "let me call you back, the doctor just walked in."
My attendings wear scrubs and there is no denying that they are in charge. Many of our patients wear expensive clothes and have all the accessories but they are still uneducated, working at low-skill jobs, and I never feel like they are putting me in my place.
You have issues, don't you?
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Lecturing usually falls on deaf ears, which is of course, job security, but it still makes us feel better
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excellent post...if the pt confuses you (doc, nurse, RT, tech) for the janitor, then you have failed...
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Are you crazy? Scrubs are the most comfortable clothing ever made and I feel privileged to be able to wear what are essentially pyjamas to work every day for the rest of my life.
I think you're talking about the scrubs with prints on them, you know, the flowered scrubs that every nurse except ED and ICU nurses seem to favor.
There is no way, no way, you have ever done a lick of real clinical work because anybody who has been on their feet for twenty hours with ten more to go (on call) appreciates mightily ditching the constrictive tie and button down shirt in favor of a comfortable pair of scrubs.
Professional attire: Clean scrubs, clean white coat. That's all you need.
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Uh...uhm...no, none other than both of my parents asked me about the stains on my old sneakers when we were out walking with the dogs.
I just told them that they didn't want to know!
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Personally, I care more about my own comfort than my "status" among "all the commoners" in the hospital. I believe that respect stems from knowledge and skill rather than on how expensive my clothes are.
I work more efficiently when I'm comfortable, and I think scrubs are more comfortable than Italian suits. I'm sure some people like to dress up at work, but I'm definitely not one of them. I am confident in my abilities and knowledge and don't need the affirmation of other people to feel important. If I get mistaken for a tech, big deal. It rarely ever happens and when it does, just a flash of the badge and an introduction and everything's fine. (I take it as a compliment when people say I look like I could be in college).
I also have noticed that some of the people who go out of their way to look like they're in charge simply don't have the self-confidence to pull it off otherwise... or they're pretentious losers who've spent their entire lives trying to gain popularity through a professional degree because they were made fun of in high school.
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Were you in my ED yesterday? Oh wait, nah, that was a drunken homeless guy with feet you could smell from 20 yards away. Don't know where he got the shower cap but it had flowers on it. And someone did call the police which is why I got to spend the afternoon with him. But sometimes it is hard to tell those guys from the surgeons
LOL! My point exactly. That, and it can be difficult to tell us apart from the great unwashed...given the stench after a long call day and night!
Someone needs to tell your drunken homeless guy that only female nurses and techs wear the flowered shower caps! I've got a couple of camo ones hed probably enjoy.
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...not that you'd need them.
There will come a day...there will come a day!
(actually gonna have a vascular friend do something about my spider veins in a few weeks)
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But you know, I had a breakthrough yesterday. Maybe behavior wasn't changed but I know I made the patient and her gaggle of relatives think. The patient told me she didn't go to the doctor for management of some routine health problems because she lost her insurance.
I pointed out that doctors do take cash and credit cards and that, wonderous to behold, you can call for an appointment and actually (sit down if you are standing up) pay for it with your own money. These people were middle class, and obviously had some disposable income judging from their clothes and accessories. A hundred bucks every few months would have been money well spent, as I pointed out, but the very idea of using their disposable income for something like medical care was so stunning to them that several of the family were speechless.
I guess they thought I was insensitive but **** 'em. People need to get their priorities straight.
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Your opinion in this matter is irrelevent as you're merely a future ER doc which automatically designates you low on the medical profession hierarchy due to your specialty choice. So wearing or not wearing scrubs won't make a difference for you.
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This alone makes the $200,000* of debt totally worth it!!
(*plus or minus several thousand depending on where you went to school)
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The funniest thing I have to do on a regular basis is show people, many of who are insured, how to use the phone book to look up primary care physicians.
Patient: How am I supposed to get an appointment with a doctor?
Me: You look in the phone book under "Family Practice" or "Internal Medicine," find doctors in your area of town, and call until you find someone accepting new patients. You then make an appointment for a certain time on a certain date which you will keep track of and at which time and date you will show up for your appointment. You may have to drive a ways because not every physician close to will be accepting new patients but that's life. The doctor will evaluate you, give you instructions, and maybe some prescriptions for inexpensive medications to manage what I believe are some currently minor and easily controlled medical problems.
Patient: Why can't you do that for me.
Me: Because this is an Emergnecy Department, not a clinic and you need to take some responsibility for your own health.
(Actual conversation.)
Patient: How am I supposed to get an appointment with a doctor?
Me: You look in the phone book under "Family Practice" or "Internal Medicine," find doctors in your area of town, and call until you find someone accepting new patients. You then make an appointment for a certain time on a certain date which you will keep track of and at which time and date you will show up for your appointment. You may have to drive a ways because not every physician close to will be accepting new patients but that's life. The doctor will evaluate you, give you instructions, and maybe some prescriptions for inexpensive medications to manage what I believe are some currently minor and easily controlled medical problems.
Patient: Why can't you do that for me.
Me: Because this is an Emergnecy Department, not a clinic and you need to take some responsibility for your own health.
(Actual conversation.)
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Har har. You are, hands down, my favorite regular poster on SDN. Your posts are sceamingly funny, always interesting, and every now and then I am tempted to believe that you are being serious when I know, intellectually, that there is no way you can possibly be.
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That's just one (of the many) reasons doctors have lost their status. Many don't look the part. Scruffy, unshaved, scrubs, sneakers, etc. My dad showed me a picture of his residency class from the 70s and they were all tall, fit, well-dressed, total professional looking white men.
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Hospitals I've been at tend to stick medical staff in the parking lots five miles away where you need a GPS to find the hospital. They reserve the close lots for the patients and family, which I find irritating. Yes, I understand the patients are "the customer" but the patients/families don't have to come in before the sun rises.
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After reading your post about having to call in your own orders for tests, me thinks you are at the wrong hospital.
I have always had nice close parking as a resident/fellow and the attendings got to park even closer (and I've never been required to call in a test...although I have done it because I can do it faster and better).
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But they had that weird seventies hair, the moustaches, and the two-foot wide ties that ended six inches above the belt.
Dude, I remember the seventies. Trust me. "Well dressed" means nothing in the context of the seventies. Everything about that decade was creepy including the clothes.
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That's why they rock it in scrub tops and khakis down there. They don't fit in with any population.
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But since it's scientifically proven that tall, white men are naturally less intelligent than their shorter, ethnic counterparts, doesn't it seem counterintuitive that the shift in medicine since the 70s has decreased the status of physicians?
References: The highly cited wikipedia article on the topic:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence
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Stick to the topic, please. Discussions of race belong in the sociopolitical forum, not here. Thank you.
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Ironically, this also describes pictures on the boxes of 70's porno flicks . . .
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Sorry for getting off topic... I was simply trying to post something as unfunny and ignorant as the post to which I was replying.
To get back on topic... My favorite perks of being a doctor include:
-getting to save people's lives
-getting to teach and learn continuously
-getting to wear danskos despite how ugly they are
-free pens
Of course, I'm not actually a doctor yet, but 9 months isn't too far away.
To get back on topic... My favorite perks of being a doctor include:
-getting to save people's lives
-getting to teach and learn continuously
-getting to wear danskos despite how ugly they are
-free pens
Of course, I'm not actually a doctor yet, but 9 months isn't too far away.
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Now now, don't forget radiologists...they've been known to do that too.
Yes, but radiologists practice in dark rooms and have no patient contact. Whereas EM docs are in well-lit rooms.
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wow! priceless! Can't wait to educate like that one day soon in ob/gyn where there will ALWAYS be countless opportunities for this kind of education.
That is the worst look! There were even some of my fellow students that started doing it on the EM rotation.
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Ah, yes...The "ER mullet." I must confess to sporting that particular ensemble on a regular basis as a resident. I just hate drawstring-waist pants.
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Tell the folks at the Mayo Clinic that. Apparently you can't appreciate a well-dressed professional in the workplace.
Where I went to medical school the surgeons all wore shirt and tie on rounds with a clean white coat. Shirt and tie mandatory for the clinic. Scrubs were only for the OR. People see you as more professional when you look the part. I enjoyed being part of that culture and somewhat miss that now during residency where some attendings will round in jeans on the weekends.
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We still have that at our university hospital - not on rounds, because that would be tough, but we have to "dress up" on clinic days. Makes sense in my book. No one wants to see a sloppy surgeon in the office!
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These are the only people I will let take care of me or my family. Minorities, women, scruffy-looking people - forget about it...
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These are the only people I will let take care of me or my family. Minorities, women, scruffy-looking people - forget about it...
You know what I'm talking about. It's like if you ever need surgery you want a middle-aged white guy who graduated from a U.S. med school and residency and who's got a ton of experience to be doing it. You don't really want a female, or even worse a female FMG, doing it regardless of her experience even if you don't outright admit it. I know it's not P.C. but that's just the way it is. It's kind of like when you get on a plane and over the intercom a woman's voice announces she's the captain. Nobody says anything but you can bet everyone's hoping the co-pilot is a man.
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