**Official 2019 Orthodontic PASS/Interviews/Match/Non-Match**

[Babytoof]

Re-joined SDN to see if people are talking about 2019 PASS app cycle and did not run into a thread. Starting one officially now

Looking forward to sharing experiences with you all. Good luck!

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[predent2151]

Re-joined SDN to see if people are talking about 2019 PASS app cycle and did not run into a thread. Starting one officially now.

Graduated dental school 2011
Graduated pediatric dentistry residency 2014
Board certified pediatric dentist 2015

Looking forward to sharing experiences with you all. Good luck!

Just curious, what made you decide to switch from pediatrics to ortho?

 

[predent2151]

Aha, that makes more sense. Thanks for your answer!

 

[mariam1980]

Similar to Babytoof, just joined back to look for some other people in the same boat. I'll be applying for Orthodontic residency on this cycle.
Graduated in 2008, AEGD 2009, been in private practice since. Looking forward to meet some other applicants and share tips and ideas.

 

[Babytoof]

Similar to Babytoof, just joined back to look for some other people in the same boat. I'll be applying for Orthodontic residency on this cycle.
Graduated in 2008, AEGD 2009, been in private practice since. Looking forward to meet some other applicants and share tips and ideas.

good luck mariam.

 

[doctor201026]

Most of the Orthodontic residencies I knew accepts people who are willing to be slaves in their research laboratory labs. So it's not merely just a stellar resume and clinical experiences. They actually do not like people who are too experienced in the clinical practice because they think that they "cannot mold you" to fit into their program (remember, these program officials are power hungry, bottom feeders, ruthless manipulative people) so anything that is "too outstanding" in terms of clinical practice will make them insecure thus they will definitely not pick you as their candidate, unless you came from a powerful political background. Sorry to break the news but it's the reality.

 

[mariam1980]

That's the kind of feedback I've read before and I've heard. This is something I like to do, I think I would become a very good orthodontist. If it's not acceptable that way within the academic circle, I'll be ok with it. I have a great general practice and I won't lose sleep over it. At the position that I'm in, getting in a residency would allow me to bring my past experience in to my future orthodontic residency. What I have come across in general practice is that too many orthodontists have no regard for joint, muscles, teeth and all they see is that arches have to be straightened out as fast as possible and don't take the time to plan and diagnose. I see way too often bites that are left open, bites solely on molars and second molars that are treated as they don't exists. It's something that I will apply for one last time. I'm not looking to go in to a different line of work, I think my general practice would give me an advantage having seen possible unforseen outcomes of bad orthodontics. That's not what they might like to hear, it may not be a generality. It's just what I've come across in the area that I practice at.

 

[DDS2017]

That's the kind of feedback I've read before and I've heard. This is something I like to do, I think I would become a very good orthodontist. If it's not acceptable that way within the academic circle, I'll be ok with it. I have a great general practice and I won't lose sleep over it. At the position that I'm in, getting in a residency would allow me to bring my past experience in to my future orthodontic residency. What I have come across in general practice is that too many orthodontists have no regard for joint, muscles, teeth and all they see is that arches have to be straightened out as fast as possible and don't take the time to plan and diagnose. I see way too often bites that are left open, bites solely on molars and second molars that are treated as they don't exists. It's something that I will apply for one last time. I'm not looking to go in to a different line of work, I think my general practice would give me an advantage having seen possible unforseen outcomes of bad orthodontics. That's not what they might like to hear, it may not be a generality. It's just what I've come across in the area that I practice at.

Apply to those new programs. The CTOR one and Georgia School of Orthodontics.

 

[mariam1980]

Apply to those new programs. The CTOR one and Georgia School of Orthodontics.

what do you mean by CTOR one? explain for me please.

 

[mariam1980]

what do you mean by CTOR one? explain for me please.

Never mind. Google answered me!!

 

[mariam1980]

Never mind. Google answered me!!

Nope. That wasn't my answer.
still don't get that CTOR one thing.

 

[DDS2017]

Nope. That wasn't my answer.
still don't get that CTOR one thing.

CTOR Academy

It’s a new Orthodontics program.

 

[2TH MVR]

That's the kind of feedback I've read before and I've heard. This is something I like to do, I think I would become a very good orthodontist. If it's not acceptable that way within the academic circle, I'll be ok with it. I have a great general practice and I won't lose sleep over it. At the position that I'm in, getting in a residency would allow me to bring my past experience in to my future orthodontic residency. What I have come across in general practice is that too many orthodontists have no regard for joint, muscles, teeth and all they see is that arches have to be straightened out as fast as possible and don't take the time to plan and diagnose. I see way too often bites that are left open, bites solely on molars and second molars that are treated as they don't exists. It's something that I will apply for one last time. I'm not looking to go in to a different line of work, I think my general practice would give me an advantage having seen possible unforseen outcomes of bad orthodontics. That's not what they might like to hear, it may not be a generality. It's just what I've come across in the area that I practice at.

It goes both ways. I've seen just as many GPs that could care less about a debilitating deep OB patient. Just crown or veneer the front teeth to hide the malocclusion. I see many examples of restorative treatment that further reinforces the original malocclusion. Lets hope that if and when you become an ortho .... you will realize that there are some variables in ortho tx that cannot be controlled. Early deband due to $$$$$. Noncooperative patients with elastics and OH. Skeletal open bites that require orthognathics, but patient cannot afford. 2nd molars erupting years after ortho tx completed. Failure of the GP to refer patients for early phase 1 orthopedic treatment to help correct skeletal disharmony and avoid premolar extractions.

Goes both ways.

 

[mariam1980]

It goes both ways. I've seen just as many GPs that could care less about a debilitating deep OB patient. Just crown or veneer the front teeth to hide the malocclusion. I see many examples of restorative treatment that further reinforces the original malocclusion. Lets hope that if and when you become an ortho .... you will realize that there are some variables in ortho tx that cannot be controlled. Early deband due to $$$$$. Noncooperative patients with elastics and OH. Skeletal open bites that require orthognathics, but patient cannot afford. 2nd molars erupting years after ortho tx completed. Failure of the GP to refer patients for early phase 1 orthopedic treatment to help correct skeletal disharmony and avoid premolar extractions.

Goes both ways.

Oh I would totally agree. There is bad work everywhere. I certainly didn't mean to imply that it's all one way.
The deep bite example that you are talking about, it's in patient's best interest to do Ortho. Without it, doing crown and bridge work anteriorly only is a benefit to dentist's pocket and will soon fail. There are so many cases that would include orthodontics in the correct treatment of the patient that without having the right orthodontist in your team, you would fail to produce anything close to ideal. What I've had the most trouble in my area, has been finding an orthodontist who thinks similar to me and is willing to try a different way. That's the major reason why I would like to become the orthodontist who can do that for other general dentists.

 

[mariam1980]

so, looking thru Ortho programs, i came across Virginia Commonwealth that specifically says they would only give interviews to people who have only applied to all match programs. Are there other programs that you know of that do that?

 

[Big Time Hoosier]

so, looking thru Ortho programs, i came across Virginia Commonwealth that specifically says they would only give interviews to people who have only applied to all match programs. Are there other programs that you know of that do that?

There are many requiring this. I guess they are getting fed up with non-Match programs poaching top applicants before the Match results are released. You will need to check each program's website or the ADEA PASS program search.

Big Hoss

 

[OrthoSmile 2020]

Hi guys, this my first words in this website. I am also interested in applying to Orthodontic residency programs this year. I am an international dentis, got married to a U.S. citizen and came recently to the U.S. I have a Master in dental Medicin and I was enrolled in a Master in Orthodontics program in Eruope. Unfortunately, I had to discontinue the program. I have funished just the first year!

I am pretty lost and some people and friends here have frustrated me because they say it’s very hard to be accepted if you don’t have any experience in the U.S! And because I Graduated from a non-accredited Dental school!

What do you think guys? Is it right? Any information and tips could help me?

Another concern, some said that I can practice after finishing the residency program but in some “few” states? Do you have any idea what are these states?


Thank you for your consideration ()

 

[mariam1980]

Hi guys, this my first words in this website. I am also interested in applying to Orthodontic residency programs this year. I am an international dentis, got married to a U.S. citizen and came recently to the U.S. I have a Master in dental Medicin and I was enrolled in a Master in Orthodontics program in Eruope. Unfortunately, I had to discontinue the program. I have funished just the first year!

I am pretty lost and some people and friends here have frustrated me because they say it’s very hard to be accepted if you don’t have any experience in the U.S! And because I Graduated from a non-accredited Dental school!

What do you think guys? Is it right? Any information and tips could help me?

Another concern, some said that I can practice after finishing the residency program but in some “few” states? Do you have any idea what are these states?


Thank you for your consideration ()

From what I understand, it really has to do with where exactly you had your degreen. All that probably has to be evaluated. There are programs who accept international graduated but only a few. If I'm thinking right, your actual dental degree might not be accepted in the US so it might be difficult to start a residency application. However, i'm by no means an expert at all. I think Minnesota is one of the states that allow foreign trained dentist do governmental types of dentistry jobs, (some sort of clinics) and get a license there which practicing. I remember hearing something like that. I hope it helps. Good luck.

 

[JayS2]

Does anyone know about uploading 2x2 photos to PASS? I contacted a couple of schools that had discrepancies about what is needed outside of PASS and I was told by some programs that our photo needs to be uploaded through PASS directly but I'm not really sure where that would be.

 

[PG-Larry]

Does anyone know about uploading 2x2 photos to PASS? I contacted a couple of schools that had discrepancies about what is needed outside of PASS and I was told by some programs that our photo needs to be uploaded through PASS directly but I'm not really sure where that would be.

Hey JayS2, I tried to message you but Student Doctor wouldn't allow me to. Do you mind if I ask you a few questions about applying to Orthodontics programs?

 

[Babytoof]

Does anyone know about uploading 2x2 photos to PASS? I contacted a couple of schools that had discrepancies about what is needed outside of PASS and I was told by some programs that our photo needs to be uploaded through PASS directly but I'm not really sure where that would be.

I ended up creating a PDF with my 2x2 headshot and uploaded allgside my CV. Two separate files. Just make sure the file size is less than 1MB.

 

[mariam1980]

Hey JayS2, I tried to message you but Student Doctor wouldn't allow me to. Do you mind if I ask you a few questions about applying to Orthodontics programs?

Can I ask which school requires photo to be uploaded to PASS? Most of my schools have emails to send them too. Just want to make sure i'm not missing anything.

 

[Babytoof]

Can I ask which school requires photo to be uploaded to PASS? Most of my schools have emails to send them too. Just want to make sure i'm not missing anything.

I recommend just uploading the 2x2 photo to your file under CV. They'll have everything in your file that way.

 

[catdentist]

Does anyone know about uploading 2x2 photos to PASS? I contacted a couple of schools that had discrepancies about what is needed outside of PASS and I was told by some programs that our photo needs to be uploaded through PASS directly but I'm not really sure where that would be.

Does the PASS application require a photo?

 

[Babytoof]

Does the PASS application require a photo?

Many of the programs require a 2x2. I converted my headshot into a 2x2 jpeg, then converted the jpeg into a PDF and uploaded alongside my CV in the CV section.

 

[JayS2]

Does the PASS application require a photo?

The PASS application itself doesn't require a photo. I actually recently on the website that it recommends not uploading a photo to PASS directly but when I called some programs they said to upload directly to PASS. I'm not sure what to go with.

 

[JayS2]

Many of the programs require a 2x2. I converted my headshot into a 2x2 jpeg, then converted the jpeg into a PDF and uploaded alongside my CV in the CV section.

I was thinking of doing that but PASS instruction recommend not to upload any photos

 

[OrthoSmile 2020]

From what I understand, it really has to do with where exactly you had your degreen. All that probably has to be evaluated. There are programs who accept international graduated but only a few. If I'm thinking right, your actual dental degree might not be accepted in the US so it might be difficult to start a residency application. However, i'm by no means an expert at all. I think Minnesota is one of the states that allow foreign trained dentist do governmental types of dentistry jobs, (some sort of clinics) and get a license there which practicing. I remember hearing something like that. I hope it helps. Good luck.

Thank you for answering dr.Mariam

 

[Stern]

Hi Guys, I have completed the application process during the cycle 2017-2018. I have matched at Tufts Ortho, which was my #1 choice, and I am starting this oncoming july! I have collected a lot of valuable information and I thought I would share my experience and knowledge. I have compiled a series of videos, which I have posted on my professional instagram account @sarahnaondmd to help you with the post-graduate application, check it out. Hope you take advantage of it and fill free to reach out. I will keep on posting videos.

 

[mariam1980]

Trying to send in my application as soon as I can and just waiting for Dean's letter from my school. They have been working on it almost a month now and they are basically telling me that since they are so busy, they will only get it to me before my first deadline which is August 1. So I don't know how this process is however it seems crazy that they would need almost 2 months to send in a letter which is not even a personal recommendation. I graduated 10 years ago so this should be just a letter with GPA and rank stats for the most part. Slightly frustrated, would like to get in my application soon. Just venting!

 

[Babytoof]

Trying to send in my application as soon as I can and just waiting for Dean's letter from my school. They have been working on it almost a month now and they are basically telling me that since they are so busy, they will only get it to me before my first deadline which is August 1. So I don't know how this process is however it seems crazy that they would need almost 2 months to send in a letter which is not even a personal recommendation. I graduated 10 years ago so this should be just a letter with GPA and rank stats for the most part. Slightly frustrated, would like to get in my application soon. Just venting!

That's not very nice. I graduated seven years ago and my dental school had my Dean's letter submitted to PASS within a week of my request.

 

[deleted659902]

Trying to send in my application as soon as I can and just waiting for Dean's letter from my school. They have been working on it almost a month now and they are basically telling me that since they are so busy, they will only get it to me before my first deadline which is August 1. So I don't know how this process is however it seems crazy that they would need almost 2 months to send in a letter which is not even a personal recommendation. I graduated 10 years ago so this should be just a letter with GPA and rank stats for the most part. Slightly frustrated, would like to get in my application soon. Just venting!

What's your donation history like to the school and the alumni association?

 

[mstanley614]

Hi Guys, I have completed the application process during the cycle 2017-2018. I have matched at Tufts Ortho, which was my #1 choice, and I am starting this oncoming july! I have collected a lot of valuable information and I thought I would share my experience and knowledge. I have compiled a series of videos, which I have posted on my professional instagram account @sarahnaondmd to help you with the post-graduate application, check it out. Hope you take advantage of it and fill free to reach out. I will keep on posting videos.

You said you "posted" your videos to instagram. I'm wondering if you meant to or just haven't gotten around to it. Let us in on the secret

 

[livefastdieyoung]

I understand having research is a big plus on applications for ortho (and most specialities for that matter). I did research in college and before dental school - neither of which were dental related, but were in genetics and molecular biology. How important is it that the research be focused in orthodontics? Or is any dental-related research seen positively? Any suggestions on the best time to pursue research while in dental school? Thank you all!

 

[DrTooth19]

Hey everyone! How long are your supplemental essays when they ask why you are choosing a particular school? I have a lot of interests and there are aspects of schools that appeal to me but I don't know what to say besides "I am excited to do this at ____ school"....I can get to maybe a couple paragraphs and that's it. :/

 

[Tooth Talk]

Oklahoma- July 20 (phone)/ Interview October 26 or Nov 2 with social the night before.

*Sounded like they were only calling half of the group that day. Good luck everyone!

 

[tribe]

Does anyone have recommendations on how to get in contact with Tufts ortho admission department? I received an email last week saying that they haven't received my GRE scores that I sent a month and a half ago. The scores were sent electronically and when I called ETS to resend them they told me they wouldn't unless they heard from Tufts admissions department. I sent an emails and voicemails to Tufts but haven't heard anything back. Anyone have advice?

 

[Babytoof]

Does anyone have recommendations on how to get in contact with Tufts ortho admission department? I received an email last week saying that they haven't received my GRE scores that I sent a month and a half ago. The scores were sent electronically and when I called ETS to resend them they told me they wouldn't unless they heard from Tufts admissions department. I sent an emails and voicemails to Tufts but haven't heard anything back. Anyone have advice?

Most university based programs have a centralized admissions. Maybe try to get in touch with any admissions officer/counselor/rep and see if they can pull you up in the system? That would be my next attempt IMO

 

[mariam1980]

Does anyone have recommendations on how to get in contact with Tufts ortho admission department? I received an email last week saying that they haven't received my GRE scores that I sent a month and a half ago. The scores were sent electronically and when I called ETS to resend them they told me they wouldn't unless they heard from Tufts admissions department. I sent an emails and voicemails to Tufts but haven't heard anything back. Anyone have advice?

I would try to email the school and attach a copy of your screen shot of GRE page where it says that it was sent to them. I received an email from Tufts that goes in to a lot of explanation saying you should not call the school and they don’t accept calls about missing materials. Do you by any chance have a different name previously that they might have to figure out? In my case, my maiden name made everything hard to match.

 

[tribe]

I would try to email the school and attach a copy of your screen shot of GRE page where it says that it was sent to them. I received an email from Tufts that goes in to a lot of explanation saying you should not call the school and they don’t accept calls about missing materials. Do you by any chance have a different name previously that they might have to figure out? In my case, my maiden name made everything hard to match.

Thanks for the advice! I did send a screen shot of my receipt that says it was sent to them and a screen shot of my unofficial scores, hopefully they will be able to look back in their records and find it! I also have a maiden name that complicates everything! But the received my NBDE scores that were in my maiden name.. I guess all I can do is cross my fingers!

 

[Teeth4freeUNC]

Anyone applying to Chicago (UIC) know if they need official scores sent for NBDE, DAT, and GRE or if copies of those documents will suffice? I haven't been able to get in contact with anyone at the school.

 

[deleted617296]

Anyone applying to Chicago (UIC) know if they need official scores sent for NBDE, DAT, and GRE or if copies of those documents will suffice? I haven't been able to get in contact with anyone at the school.

I ran into the same question when I was getting ready to submit my supplemental materials. I initially emailed them at [email protected] and they then forwarded my message to someone who requested I have them sent directly to them. I would suggest doing the same. Their school code is 1851 for the GRE score submissions.

 

[thisisfun]

After having gone through this process, I think if they have any ambiguity about the official scores/transcripts, just send them the official. I think it's better than having to do a stressful last minute crunch to get stuff in!

 

[Letsbendit]

Hello
Did anyone hear from any of the programs regarding invitations for interview or is it too early to hear from them now?

 

[Tooth Talk]

Hello
Did anyone hear from any of the programs regarding invitations for interview or is it too early to hear from them now?

Oklahoma is the only school I’m aware of that’s offered interviews. From last years thread it seems like a couple more schools offer interviews the end of August with things really starting to roll the first week of September.

 

[princessjasmine99]

Anyone applying to Chicago (UIC) know if they need official scores sent for NBDE, DAT, and GRE or if copies of those documents will suffice? I haven't been able to get in contact with anyone at the school.

UIC has been so unresponsive to my emails! good to hear they responded to you, though!

 

[ortho123456789]

Would anyone be willing to comment on how many days or clinic sessions your school permits you to miss to attend interviews? Also what school are you attending? I am attending a newer school and they just changed our interview policy. We are allowed to miss a total of 14 days of clinic or 28 clinical sessions for interviews. That would limit us to approximately 7 interviews.

 

[sleeeslee]

Does anyone know if Oklahoma has given out all interviews?

 

[deleted617296]

Would anyone be willing to comment on how many days or clinic sessions your school permits you to miss to attend interviews? Also what school are you attending? I am attending a newer school and they just changed our interview policy. We are allowed to miss a total of 14 days of clinic or 28 clinical sessions for interviews. That would limit us to approximately 7 interviews.

My school doesn’t necessarily give you a certain amount of days you can take off for interviews, because they don’t have a minimum number of clinic days you have to attend. We have to do our own scheduling and if we don’t get the number of CEUs (clinical education units) we need to graduate, then we don’t graduate.

 

[Tooth Talk]

Would anyone be willing to comment on how many days or clinic sessions your school permits you to miss to attend interviews? Also what school are you attending? I am attending a newer school and they just changed our interview policy. We are allowed to miss a total of 14 days of clinic or 28 clinical sessions for interviews. That would limit us to approximately 7 interviews.

We can take off as many days as we need. Same as above we just need to meet certain requirements to graduate so it just puts more pressure on us when we are out of clinic.