***Official 2016 Orthodontic Interviews/Match/Non-Match Results

[Wax n Relax]

I just think its a matter of how much personal information people are willing to divulge on the internet. It's interesting that you still find this funny.

Heaven forbid you put your dental school or program on the internet!!! OH my that would be such an invasion of your personal bubble. The first rule of fight club is: you do not talk about fight club.

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[Kkae]

It would be helpful for ppl to put what school it is they matched to.

 

[mouthdoc911]

No one seems to be posting specifics for whatever reason but I'll go for it.

Name of School: Jacksonville University
Dental School Attended: Columbia University
Year Earned DMD/DDS: 2015
AEGD/GPR/Fellowship/Residency: Yes (GPR)
International Student (yes/no): No
NBDE Part I/II scores: Pass
GRE Score: None
Class Rank: Top 1/3rd (honors/pass/fail system)
Match/Non-Match: Non-Match
Externship(s)/where: None
Research: Undergrad research and research in GPR. None published.
Extracurriculars: Usual stuff and 1 year of service with AmeriCorps before dental school (if that even matters)
Programs Applied to/Interview Invites/Interviews attended/Programs Ranked: 3 Applied/2 Interviews/1 Attended)

 

[Dr. Anon]

No one seems to be posting specifics for whatever reason but I'll go for it.

Name of School: Jacksonville University
Dental School Attended: Columbia University
Year Earned DMD/DDS: 2015
AEGD/GPR/Fellowship/Residency: Yes (GPR)
International Student (yes/no): No
NBDE Part I/II scores: Pass
GRE Score: None
Class Rank: Top 1/3rd (honors/pass/fail system)
Match/Non-Match: Non-Match
Externship(s)/where: None
Research: Undergrad research and research in GPR. None published.
Extracurriculars: Usual stuff and 1 year of service with AmeriCorps before dental school (if that even matters)
Programs Applied to/Interview Invites/Interviews attended/Programs Ranked: 3 Applied/2 Interviews/1 Attended)

Thanks for being honest with your school specifics. I would agree that all of this "east coast" "west coast" stuff is not helpful at all. If that's all you are going to list, then you may as well just say "Graduated from dental school. Matched to orthodontic residency."

 

[cdd365]

Name of School: University of Colorado
Dental School Attended: University of Detroit Mercy
Year Earned DMD/DDS: 2014
AEGD/GPR/Fellowship/Residency: GPR, Private Practice, Clinical Faculty
International Student (yes/no): No
NBDE Part I/II scores: Pass
GRE Score: Verbal (146), Quantitative (156), Writing (3.5)
Class Rank: 7/94
Match/Non-Match: Non-Match
Externship(s)/where: None
Research: Undergrad research
Extracurriculars: A bunch, a lot of teaching related
Programs Applied to/Interview Invites/Interviews attended/Programs Ranked: 24 Applied/5 Interviews/3 Attended

 

[mouthdoc911]

Thanks for being honest with your school specifics. I would agree that all of this "east coast" "west coast" stuff is not helpful at all. If that's all you are going to list, then you may as well just say "Graduated from dental school. Matched to orthodontic residency."

I completely agree. Maybe I'm not remembering correctly but in previous years I didn't see so many vague responses, or at least not all at once. Hopefully the tide will change. I know it's much more helpful for prospective applicants looking back at this thread to see replies with more details. BTW congrats to everyone who matched!

 

[OrthoApp2016]

Thanks for being honest with your school specifics. I would agree that all of this "east coast" "west coast" stuff is not helpful at all. If that's all you are going to list, then you may as well just say "Graduated from dental school. Matched to orthodontic residency."

Class rank, GRE scores, Research, Extracurricular, Externship, GPR/AEGD/Fellowship, Letters of rec, and #of programs applied to don't help at all? I would consider these to be some of the most important aspects of an application. Please don't bash people who had the courage to reveal information.

 

[Wax n Relax]

No one seems to be posting specifics for whatever reason but I'll go for it.

Name of School: Jacksonville University
Dental School Attended: Columbia University
Year Earned DMD/DDS: 2015
AEGD/GPR/Fellowship/Residency: Yes (GPR)
International Student (yes/no): No
NBDE Part I/II scores: Pass
GRE Score: None
Class Rank: Top 1/3rd (honors/pass/fail system)
Match/Non-Match: Non-Match
Externship(s)/where: None
Research: Undergrad research and research in GPR. None published.
Extracurriculars: Usual stuff and 1 year of service with AmeriCorps before dental school (if that even matters)
Programs Applied to/Interview Invites/Interviews attended/Programs Ranked: 3 Applied/2 Interviews/1 Attended)

Name of School: University of Colorado
Dental School Attended: University of Detroit Mercy
Year Earned DMD/DDS: 2014
AEGD/GPR/Fellowship/Residency: GPR, Private Practice, Clinical Faculty
International Student (yes/no): No
NBDE Part I/II scores: Pass
GRE Score: Verbal (146), Quantitative (156), Writing (3.5)
Class Rank: 7/94
Match/Non-Match: Non-Match
Externship(s)/where: None
Research: Undergrad research
Extracurriculars: A bunch, a lot of teaching related
Programs Applied to/Interview Invites/Interviews attended/Programs Ranked: 24 Applied/5 Interviews/3 Attended

I cant believe you would divulge such PERSONAL information!!! Ha seriously. You guys that didnt list your programs need to grow up. People use these message boards to help them gauge if a specific program would be worth applying to and if they have a decent chance at matching at these places. Also, by listing the place you match, you can open lines of communication about specific programs. You future orthos are going to need to divulge even more personal information when you are schmoozing for referrals, so you better start now.

 

[Wax n Relax]

Class rank, GRE scores, Research, Extracurricular, Externship, GPR/AEGD/Fellowship, Letters of rec, and #of programs applied to don't help at all? I would consider these to be some of the most important aspects of an application. Please don't bash people who had the courage to reveal information.

Had the COURAGE??? Ohhhhh my. You matched, what on earth could you be afraid of. When I matched I was so pumped I would have probably given out my bank account. Courage. Give me a break.

 

[Tooth]

You would be surprised to know how many people are scared to post on SDN at all. Many lurk for years. It's a personality thing.

 

[klm1234]

The sense of entitlement around here is astounding. If someone wants to name names, great. If not, that's fine. Nobody owes you anything.

 

[Firm]

The sense of entitlement around here is astounding. If someone wants to name names, great. If not, that's fine. Nobody owes you anything.

That will all go away once they get out of school and realize there is no place to work.

 

[predental 24]

Name of School: University of Colorado
Dental School Attended: Loma Linda University
Year Earned DMD/DDS: 2014
AEGD/GPR/Fellowship/Residency: Masters, GPR, Private Practice
International Student (yes/no): No
NBDE Part I/II scores: Pass
GRE Score: Verbal (155), Quantitative (159), Writing (3.5)
Class Rank: 8/106
Match/Non-Match: Non-Match
Externship(s)/where: None
Research: Orthodontic Research
Extracurriculars: Dental School Association officer, community service
Programs Applied to/Interview Invites/Interviews attended/Programs Ranked: 10 Applied/5 Interviews/4 Attended

 

[Miley Cyrus.]

Are you guys concerned about the current gloomy state of ortho? Or you think Ortho still has a bright future?

Thanks!

 

[Theillestill]

Are you guys concerned about the current gloomy state of ortho? Or you think Ortho still has a bright future?

Thanks!

http://www.gaorthodontics.org

This is a new 18 resident a year non-match orthodontic program starting pretty soon. Nothing to stop more to come.


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[Miley Cyrus.]

http://www.gaorthodontics.org

This is a new 18 resident a year non-match orthodontic program starting pretty soon. Nothing to stop more to come.


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ROFL. I will go to GA to practice as a GP, and then hire all these ortho grads from this stupid program with lots of debt to come work for me. I will pay them peanuts and make them work like slaves. Thanks for the heads up. I really appreciate it

 

[Miley Cyrus.]

http://www.gaorthodontics.org

This is a new 18 resident a year non-match orthodontic program starting pretty soon. Nothing to stop more to come.


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Looks like there is $60k tuition with 12k stipend. So that is $48k that they are in the hole. 3 year program (are there any 2 yr ortho programs left lol?) so 48 times 3, means they are $144k in the hole. Wonderful. Add this to the debt from their dental school, and I can get away with paying them minimum wage lol.

 

[Tooth]

http://www.gaorthodontics.org

This is a new 18 resident a year non-match orthodontic program starting pretty soon. Nothing to stop more to come.


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Thank you for the link. I've been waiting for this. I was told that Lazzara is behind this, just like the OEC programs, but cannot confirm it. JU was approached with expanding to Orlando but we fought it vigorously. They just took their money elsewhere. I had heard it was going to be 20 residents per class.

 

[Miley Cyrus.]

Thank you for the link. I've been waiting for this. Lazarra is behind this, just like the OEC programs. JU was approached with expanding to Orlando but we fought it vigorously. They just took their money elsewhere. I had heard it was going to be 20 residents per class.

lol if you click on the link, it is broken now. lol

 

[Bernie Sanders]

Never mind

 

[madboardie]

First time applying and no match for me this year. Any suggestions on how to improve applications for next cycle?

 

[kha67]

First time applying and no match for me this year. Any suggestions on how to improve applications for next cycle?

Yes, same please!

 

[horseteeth]

Why bother with orthodontics?
This product is the future! Lol

http://www.toothgap.com

 

[Munks]

I hope this helps provide hope to those in future years who do not have typical ortho stats! Keep up the hard work try to formulate a unique set of credentials that will help separate from the pack. I made it a goal to try and get published in a major ortho journal. Even so, my interview/applied ratio was quite low, suggesting that it is smart to apply very broadly if orthodontics is really what you would like to be doing! I got invites at places that I did not anticipate. I did notice that at most of my interviews, non-traditional applicants (practice/residency experience) got a little more representation compared to other programs, where it seems most people are straight out of school with stellar stats. Realize that your fellow applicants are all strong applicants and that you never know what an admissions committee might like in your application and not to take a non-invite personally. Good luck to everyone tomorrow!

Can you expand on which residencies you felt had more non-trad interviewees? Not that I would focus solely on those, but it's worth knowing being in the same position

 

[Tooth]

Why bother with orthodontics?
This product is the future! Lol

http://www.toothgap.com

I certainly hope you're not serious. I really hope this company wasn't actually formed by a dental health professional. It's just a rubber band. And case reports have shown people try this in the past. What happens is the rubber band rolls apically past the CEJ, into the gums, and eventually down the PDL space resulting in no gap for awhile, but eventually loss of the teeth as the rubber band becomes irretrievable and severe localized chronic periodontitis ensues.

 

[leewayspace]

Can you expand on which residencies you felt had more non-trad interviewees? Not that I would focus solely on those, but it's worth knowing being in the same position

These might not be trends that persist every year, but Indiana and hospital programs such as those in NY did have a fair number. A good number of people in general practice or pediatric dental practice.

 

[Theillestill]

Thank you for the link. I've been waiting for this. Lazzara is behind this, just like the OEC programs. JU was approached with expanding to Orlando but we fought it vigorously. They just took their money elsewhere. I had heard it was going to be 20 residents per class.

Here I was thinking 5 residents a year were already a lot. I wonder how many cases they plan to start/finish.


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[InspiredDDS]

These patients they are showing in the b/a have gotten veneers!

I feel bad for people who order this product and expect results like they are advertising.

 

[ywcywc]

May I ask what the GRE test is? Is it same with "Graduate Record Examination"?

 

[Tooth]

May I ask what the GRE test is? Is it same with "Graduate Record Examination"?

Yes.

 

[army2484]

I hope this helps provide hope to those in future years who do not have typical ortho stats! Keep up the hard work try to formulate a unique set of credentials that will help separate from the pack. I made it a goal to try and get published in a major ortho journal. Even so, my interview/applied ratio was quite low, suggesting that it is smart to apply very broadly if orthodontics is really what you would like to be doing! I got invites at places that I did not anticipate. I did notice that at most of my interviews, non-traditional applicants (practice/residency experience) got a little more representation compared to other programs, where it seems most people are straight out of school with stellar stats. Realize that your fellow applicants are all strong applicants and that you never know what an admissions committee might like in your application and not to take a non-invite personally. Good luck to everyone tomorrow!

Name of School: a program in the northeast
Dental School Attended: michigan
Year Earned DMD/DDS: 2013
AEGD/GPR/Fellowship/Residency: yes, another specialty
International Student (yes/no): No
NBDE Part I/II scores: 89/Pass
GRE Score: 161-verbal/ 163-math / 4.5-writing
Class Rank: 59/109, ~3.5 gpa
Match/Non-Match: Non-Match
Externship(s)/where: none
Research: 4 publications including 1 in AJODO, 1 textbook chapter
Extracurriculars: not many besides research and publications
Programs Applied to/Interview Invites/Interviews attended/Programs Ranked: 41/6/6/0 Took a pre-match offer.

Hey leewayspace, what other kind specialist were you before Ortho ?

 

[leewayspace]

Oral & maxillofacial radiology. Secret is out for those of you who met me on the interview trail haha. Not many of us out there. Regarding strengthening the ortho application, I think the main benefit from doing radiology was that a) it provided at least some bit of a knowledge base that would help when training in orthodontics (all things CBCT, anatomy, more exposure to developmental anomalies and so forth, understanding responsible use of imaging in orthodontics), and b) programs might have perceived more potential to collaborate with me on imaging-based clinical or research initiatives otherwise taking place at their institutions.

 

[SweetWater54]

I know Tooth may have touched on this topic, but how do you make your decision on whether or not to accept a non-match program offer. I feel like it would be hard to turn down a seat, but what if there are a couple of programs you would prefer to go to that participate in match. Do you accept the non-match offer even though it's not your first choice? or risk it and wait to see if you match? How did you guys make this difficult decision if you were faced with it? Thanks for the insight!

 

[km2929]

Name of School: Boston University
Dental School Attended: UConn
Year Earned DMD/DDS: 2014
AEGD/GPR/Fellowship/Residency: GPR, private practice (first time applying to ortho though)
International Student (yes/no): No
NBDE Part I/II scores: P/P
GRE Score: 167 verbal, 162 QR, 4.5 writing
Class Rank: N/A (pass/fail)
Match/Non-Match: Match
Externship(s)/where: None
Research: 2 years of undergrad research, 2 years of neuroscience research between college and dental school, summer research after 1st year
Extracurriculars: peer tutor, service trip to South America
Programs Applied to/Interview Invites/Interviews attended/Programs Ranked: 20/5/4 (2 were on the same day so had to choose)/4

Just to give people from P/F schools with P/F boards some hope! I think strong letters of recommendation and an honest, interesting personal statement that doesn't just reiterate what's in your PASS application is really important if you don't have numbers. I don't know how much impact my GRE score had, if any.

 

[Kittenz]

Name of School: Boston University
Dental School Attended: UConn
Year Earned DMD/DDS: 2014
AEGD/GPR/Fellowship/Residency: GPR, private practice
International Student (yes/no): No
NBDE Part I/II scores: P/P
GRE Score: 167 verbal, 162 QR, 4.5 writing
Class Rank: N/A (pass/fail)
Match/Non-Match: Match
Externship(s)/where: None
Research: 2 years of undergrad research, 2 years of neuroscience research between college and dental school, summer research after 1st year
Extracurriculars: peer tutor, service trip to South America
Programs Applied to/Interview Invites/Interviews attended/Programs Ranked: 20/5/4 (2 were on the same day so had to choose)/4

Just to give people from P/F schools with P/F boards some hope! I think strong letters of recommendation and an honest, interesting personal statement that doesn't just reiterate what's in your PASS application is really important if you don't have numbers. I don't know how much impact my GRE score had, if any.

May I ask why you chose to enter a GPR first or why there was a change in interest towards orthodontics later on?

 

[km2929]

May I ask why you chose to enter a GPR first or why there was a change in interest towards orthodontics later on?

My ultimate plan was always ortho, but my fiancé matched for medical residency in a city where there was only one ortho program (and not one I was terribly interested in). So rather than putting all of my eggs in one basket and hoping to match at that program, I decided to do general dentistry for a few years until he was done with residency and we could change locations. I did a GPR rather than jumping right into private practice because I knew I wasn't prepared for real world dentistry (UConn is not very clinical in the grand scheme of things), plus I figured I'd get at least some ortho exposure in residency.

 

[GPS12]

For those reapplying to UCLA be careful of this troublesome program.

 

[ortlurker]

For those reapplying to UCLA be careful of this troublesome program.

Why? I thought it was a solid program. Yes the residents do have to work long hours and put a lot of effort to it. But you get paid. Pros outweigh cons imho. I visited the program but i am going elsewhere.

 

[alanpark]

Since the next few months will go probably fly by...how about we start this now so everyone can post once they hear back for an interview offer.

School name/Date of contact (phone/email)/ Interview Date

University of Connecticut (UConn)-
Do NOT select this program. I am a resident at UConn and I think choosing this program was the worst decision I made in my whole life. The clinic is new but there is no didactics. The residents are supposed to teach themselves. So we need to do numerous presentations and faculty member assigned to each session just sit in as a blind observer.

They treat the residents like slaves. The program director was a dentist in the Colombian army, before he came to USA. So he runs the residency program as military dictator. Please find here the contract we need sign each year. Some of the highlights of this bizarre job contract are

• ·Residents are barred from even going to the library or the main campus. This contract stipulates that “All residents must be in attendance every day in the Outpatient Pavilion Center for Orthodontic Care, unless they are on vacation/ leave or at an approved meeting. During clinic hours, all residents are expected to be in the clinic, regardless of patient appointments”. So we have to loiter round the clinic, even when we don't have patients instead of doing some productive work. BTW, we get very few patients when compared to other residency programs.
  
• We have only 6 days of vacation leave per year. According to the 2nd clause of this contract, If a resident wants to apply for sick leave, he/she needs to email all 5 people mentioned in this document and get permission. Also the sick person needs to find another resident to cover his/her duties.
  
• Now we need to fill a sign an in-out sheet even when we need to use the toilet and text the Chief Resident indicating our specific location/stall in the restroom (Clause No.4). I know this may sound like a joke but this is real.

So my advice is NEVER APPLY TO THIS HELLHOLE

 

[GPS12]

Never apply to UCLA either! It's by far worse than UCONN. I think residents there literally have suicidal thoughts. It's a big No! UCLA orthodontics program should be shut down.

 

[BaylorSailor2]

University of Connecticut (UConn)-
Do NOT select this program. I am a resident at UConn and I think choosing this program was the worst decision I made in my whole life. The clinic is new but there is no didactics. The residents are supposed to teach themselves. So we need to do numerous presentations and faculty member assigned to each session just sit in as a blind observer.

They treat the residents like slaves. The program director was a dentist in the Colombian army, before he came to USA. So he runs the residency program as military dictator. Please find here the contract we need sign each year. Some of the highlights of this bizarre job contract are

• ·Residents are barred from even going to the library or the main campus. This contract stipulates that “All residents must be in attendance every day in the Outpatient Pavilion Center for Orthodontic Care, unless they are on vacation/ leave or at an approved meeting. During clinic hours, all residents are expected to be in the clinic, regardless of patient appointments”. So we have to loiter round the clinic, even when we don't have patients instead of doing some productive work. BTW, we get very few patients when compared to other residency programs.
  
• We have only 6 days of vacation leave per year. According to the 2nd clause of this contract, If a resident wants to apply for sick leave, he/she needs to email all 5 people mentioned in this document and get permission. Also the sick person needs to find another resident to cover his/her duties.
  
• Now we need to fill a sign an in-out sheet even when we need to use the toilet and text the Chief Resident indicating our specific location/stall in the restroom (Clause No.4). I know this may sound like a joke but this is real.

So my advice is NEVER APPLY TO THIS HELLHOLE

You should be thankful you are even in an orthodontic program.

Considering your complaining, I can tell you are not one of the Saudi/Indian residents.

People who went to Uconn had no chance any where else, so you should be more than thankful.

You went there so you could be on Nanda's balls anyway. Don't lie.

 

[BaylorSailor2]

Never apply to UCLA either! It's by far worse than UCONN. I think residents there literally have suicidal thoughts. It's a big No! UCLA orthodontics program should be shut down.

If you are not from Harvard DMD, just know that UCLA didn't want you either in the first place, and only gave you a spot because all of the Harvard DMD that are applying to ortho declined the offer.
UCLA only cares about pumping out papers. Yes, us other programs know this, and we know this when our colleague's hire people. We know you wouldn't have gotten into anywhere else. So hush.

 

[Tooth]

Many non-orthos call orthos crybabies. Sometimes, I think they're right. I had a great time at JU, but I don't think everyone felt the same. I encourage everyone to embrace their inner Buddha and learn to be happy with that which you have. Non-Buddhist here. Just saying. It's a good principle in life to help you be happy.

 

[BaylorSailor2]

Many non-orthos call orthos crybabies. Sometimes, I think they're right. I had a great time at JU, but I don't think everyone felt the same. I encourage everyone to embrace their inner Buddha and learn to be happy with that which you have. Non-Buddhist here. Just saying. It's a good principle in life to help you be happy.

Tooth you would have been welcomed and done well at any program. It's unfortunate we could not have had the pleasure of having you in our program.