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A fetus is NOT A HUMAN LIFE. Stating that an absolute fringe belief.

Can a proponent of "life" please explain what constitutes "life" exactly? Heartbeat? Time? Developmental features? Feelings, perhaps? I meant the way you're feeling about it...
 
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BidingMyTime said:
Completely wrong. It is completely WRONG to take a irrevocable final action to a temporary problem. The logical solution is to find a resolution to the temporary problem. The vast majority of people who have been stopped from suicide by some intervention, are extremely grateful once they get help to deal with the temporary problem that has led them to contemplate suicide. I totally understand that someone can feel so overwhelmed that they can not see any other solution but suicide....that is where we as caring family/friends/humankind can step in to help them find a solution to their temporary problem.



Seriously???? Whether someone wants to consider gay being right or wrong, that is no comparison to suicide. Suicide is FINAL.
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Just curious, are you religious? If so, what's your faith?
 
Not everything is due to religion

My pro life beliefs are simply from the fact I don't think you should kill.
 
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What the hell is it then if it's not human? The only fringe belief I see here is this phony assertion that a human embryo/fetus is not intrinsically human.
 
wagrxm2000 said:
I will gladly talk about the birds and bees with you but I think that's a conversation you should have with your parents.
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Well, I’m just curious if any birth control is also killing or just abortions? What about Onan’s sin?
 
Wow this thread had moved from the start
 
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ExpressMaiL said:
Until the fetus is physically outside the womb, it is not a life.
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"I'm sorry mam, the lifeless blob on the ultrasound is not moving, we don't pick up a heartbeat and it's neither growing nor reacting to stimulus. However, I do think when it physically finds itself about 8 inches south of where it is now it should be a living breathing screaming human being."

A fetus is a living human in the earliest stages of the life-cycle, that's just biological fact. Be pro-choice/pro-life all you want but let's not delve into "flat earth" territory here denying that fetuses are both human and alive.

To the story: I wonder if they are still actively even trying to locate the young man. I think at this point it's likely a safe guess to say he's no longer with us, as unfortunate as that is.
 
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Digsbe said:
"I'm sorry mam, the lifeless blob on the ultrasound is not moving, we don't pick up a heartbeat and it's neither growing nor reacting to stimulus. However, I do think when it physically finds itself about 8 inches south of where it is now it should be a living breathing screaming human being."

A fetus is a living human in the earliest stages of the life-cycle, that's just biological fact. Be pro-choice/pro-life all you want but let's not delve into "flat earth" territory here denying that fetuses are both human and alive.

To the story: I wonder if they are still actively even trying to locate the young man. I think at this point it's likely a safe guess to say he's no longer with us, as unfortunate as that is.
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If you're trying to equate the ideology of flat earth to the complexities of a fetus, you're awfully dense. The fetus is in the developmental stage until it is ready for birth (to become life) and cannot survive without a constant influx of nutrients from the mother. Yes, it has a heartbeat at X weeks and yes, it will react to stimuli. Does it move around and kick inside the mother? Absolutely. Do those reasons alone or together make the fetus a life just yet? Absolutely not.

By your logic, as soon as you plant a seed in the ground, it's already a tree right?
 
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Digsbe said:
Whether you are pro life or pro choice, stating a fetus isn't human is scientifically illiterate.
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I didn't say a fetus wasn't human. I said a fetus isn't A human. It's not viable on it's own. A fetus is often an embryo.

Tell me the exact time an embryo becomes a human if you are so anti-choice.
 
owlegrad said:
Well, I’m just curious if any birth control is also killing or just abortions? What about Onan’s sin?
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No, I don't care what happens to all that wasted sperm...ha
 
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Why do have we have to define what's life or what's human? These are just terms.

The simple fact is you are killing the fetus, a fetus that is your child.

What needs to be answered is why is it ok to kill what's unborn but not what's born? Why does that instance change everything?
 
ExpressMaiL said:
Just curious, are you religious? If so, what's your faith?
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I consider myself an eclectic Christian, I do not belong to any church. However, my religious beliefs while influencing my own personal life, are not influencing my stanch here. Rather, it is my pharmaceutical & medical knowledge, that people in the throes of acute mental illness or immense stress may not be capable of making decisions, and most certainly not life and death decisions. Proper counseling and/or medical treatment is what they need, and the vast majority of people will not want to kill themselves after receiving it.

This premise is "implied consent", if an ambulance is called for someone unconscious or perhaps in shock or confused from a head injury, the EMT's/paramedics are going to treat them and take them to the hospital, regardless of what they say, because it is clear they are not in their right mind and "implied consent" means that we know that most people in that situation would want to be treated, regardless of their ability or willingness to give proper consent. Same with someone attempting/contemplating suicide, we have "implied consent", because we know that most people in that situation would want to be treated, regardless of their ability or willingness to give proper consent.
 
Everyone who is debating pro-life v. pro-choice on here: I will personally go to all your funerals and give a speech on abortion in place of your eulogy. Someone freaking died. Have some god damned respect.
 
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We can go on for days discussing this. I respect the difference in opinions, just as I respect all religions/faiths/belief systems. Pro life and pro choice debates rarely go anywhere as both sides tend to have strong convictions. As zelman mentioned, someone did pass away and regardless of the reason, whether suicide or murder, it is a sad day for that individual and the family.
 
Come on people say it correctly, pro death. Stop making it sound ok.

There's a reason no one responds to what is the difference between that moment you give birth. Why is it ok to kill before but not after. There's no response, there's nothing you can say without creating different terms, saying well it's not a human yet
 
wagrxm2000 said:
Come on people say it correctly, pro death. Stop making it sound ok.

There's a reason no one responds to what is the difference between that moment you give birth. Why is it ok to kill before but not after. There's no response, there's nothing you can say without creating different terms, saying well it's not a human yet
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I can make the same argument for the diffeeence between fertilization and implantation. Why is preventing one ok but not the other?
 
zelman said:
Everyone who is debating pro-life v. pro-choice on here: I will personally go to all your funerals and give a speech on abortion in place of your eulogy. Someone freaking died. Have some god damned respect.
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This is an Internet forum, not his funeral. Nice soap box though.
 
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owlegrad said:
I can make the same argument for the diffeeence between fertilization and implantation. Why is preventing one ok but not the other?
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Because the world can't handle that many people?????
 
owlegrad said:
So it’s still killing but it is ok in the name of not overpopulating the earth? Ok I make the same arguement for birth vs pre-birth “killing”.
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You do realize how many people we'd have right?

So your argument is if we don't allow killing, I assume you are ok at all stages of pregnancy, then we should go to the extreme and not allow anyone to have sex without risking getting pregnant?

I guess I don't understand what exactly we are killing. Should all eggs be fertilized in your scenario?
 
*casually mentions the incredible difference in rates of abortions between the races and points out that the parties promoting it are practicing racial eugenics*
 
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Can that be a new thread? I like the bones of this thread and want to find out what happened to the pharmacist
 
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wagrxm2000 said:
Come on people say it correctly, pro death. Stop making it sound ok.

There's a reason no one responds to what is the difference between that moment you give birth. Why is it ok to kill before but not after. There's no response, there's nothing you can say without creating different terms, saying well it's not a human yet
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Stop saying pro-life. It’s pro-birth. You don’t care about the survival of people. Just that they get born.

Destitute, pregnant and can barely feed yourself? Best have that baby. Raped by your step-father and pregnant? Best have that baby (bonus: they’ll get raised by their step-dad and step-grandpa all at once). You can’t survive childbirth? We’re gonna put “Best Had That Baby” on your tombstone.

If you’re “pro-life” you had better also be anti-gun, anti-military and anti-death penalty. Otherwise you can take your “YoU ArE ReALlY PrO-DeAaAtH!!!” B.S. and cram it.
 
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TikiTorches said:
Can that be a new thread? I like the bones of this thread and want to find out what happened to the pharmacist
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I doubt anyone will ever knOw

zelman said:
Stop saying pro-life. It’s pro-birth. You don’t care about the survival of people. Just that they get born.

Destitute, pregnant and can barely feed yourself? Best have that baby. Raped by your step-father and pregnant? Best have that baby (bonus: they’ll get raised by their step-dad and step-grandpa all at once). You can’t survive childbirth? We’re gonna put “Best Had That Baby” on your tombstone.

If you’re “pro-life” you had better also be anti-gun, anti-military and anti-death penalty. Otherwise you can take your “YoU ArE ReALlY PrO-DeAaAtH!!!” B.S. and cram it.
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You're using examples that account for <5% of all abortions.

A more accurate position would be

"Tired of all those brown and black people having so many kids?
Provide them with free eugenics so that they'll make up the vast, vast majority of abortions and don't actually do anything to help the parents out of the situation you're so courageously saving the fetus from.

Being born into a poor family?

Yuck.
I'm sure they'd rather be dead, right?"

Also,

> promoting democratic socialist policies while being anti-military

This theoretical individual might as well be anti-water and anti-dehydration at the same time.
 
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CetiAlphaFive said:
A more accurate position would be

"Tired of all those brown and black people having so many kids?
Provide them with free eugenics so that they'll make up the vast, vast majority of abortions and don't actually do anything to help the parents out of the situation you're so courageously saving the fetus from.
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Yes, it would make so much more sense to only allow white people to have abortions. Wait...no, that doesn't sound right either.
 
CetiAlphaFive said:
You're using examples that account for <5% of all abortions.
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Yeah. They’re the ones with the obvious choice that runs contrary to the pro-birth belief. Once they admit it isn’t a black and white issue wherein every birth should occur, they have become pro-choice.
 
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zelman said:
Stop saying pro-life. It’s pro-birth. You don’t care about the survival of people. Just that they get born.
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Ok pro-birth, sorry that I don't believe in killing people.

zelman said:
Destitute, pregnant and can barely feed yourself? Best have that baby. Raped by your step-father and pregnant? Best have that baby (bonus: they’ll get raised by their step-dad and step-grandpa all at once). You can’t survive childbirth? We’re gonna put “Best Had That Baby” on your tombstone.
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Depending on your source, rape only accounts for 1.5% of abortions. While an absolutely horrible thing that no one should have to live the rest of their life going through, the child would rather be alive then killed right?

Around 40% of abortions weren't the first time they had an abortion. Hmm I think people don't understand how contraception works.

Over 80% are unmarried. Why don't we take some responsibility for ourselves. Can you believe almost 1/4 of woman will have an abortion in their lifetime?

So why should the woman live over the child? I'm not saying you are wrong, I just want to know why the mothers life is worth more then the childs?

zelman said:
If you’re “pro-life” you had better also be anti-gun, anti-military and anti-death penalty. Otherwise you can take your “YoU ArE ReALlY PrO-DeAaAtH!!!” B.S. and cram it.
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Why would I be against guns? Guns protect us.

If anyone decides to respond to me please answer this one question: if that was you, would you want to be killed or would you rather be alive?
 
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owlegrad said:
Yes, it would make so much more sense to only allow white people to be shot by police. Wait...no, that doesn't sound right either.
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Fixed your post mon ami

zelman said:
Yeah. They’re the ones with the obvious choice that runs contrary to the pro-birth belief. Once they admit it isn’t a black and white issue wherein every birth should occur, they have become pro-choice.
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Nice one.
 
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wagrxm2000 said:
If anyone decides to respond to me please answer this one question: if that was you, would you want to be killed or would you rather be alive?
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CetiAlphaFive said:
How you gonna not even acknowledge the premium quality of that meme
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No I guess I'll give up since no one wants to give me a straight up answer.

All I want to know is a few things: why does the mothers life matter more then the child?

Why is it at that instance a child is born is it now considered murder?

If it was you would you rather be killed or be alive?

How hard is it to answer these simple questions?

I keep getting responses that don't answer any of these questions. I think there's a reason pro-death people won't answer.
 
ValeUC said:
Too bad most places you'd be fired if they found out you were carrying. I love being a sitting duck in the back corner of the building with no exits.
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I'd fire him for carrying obsolete ammo from the 90s.

Lol
 
wagrxm2000 said:
Ok pro-birth, sorry that I don't believe in killing people.
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Apology accepted.
Depending on your source, rape only accounts for 1.5% of abortions.
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So what?
While an absolutely horrible thing that no one should have to live the rest of their life going through, the child would rather be alive then killed right?
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I imagine that depends on how much your mother thinks you're a blessing vs. a reminder of trauma and whether or not she has left the abuser. If you're destined to be unloved by mom and raped by her rapist, I'd say death is better.

Around 40% of abortions weren't the first time they had an abortion. Hmm I think people don't understand how contraception works.
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If you believe the cause for so many abortions is that people are uneducated, why not push harder for education so we can find out if that's true?

Over 80% are unmarried. Why don't we take some responsibility for ourselves. Can you believe almost 1/4 of woman will have an abortion in their lifetime?
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Leaving a baby in a dumpster is not taking responsibility. Getting an abortion is a painful experience that is somewhat more responsible.

So why should the woman live over the child? I'm not saying you are wrong, I just want to know why the mothers life is worth more then the childs?
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Maybe she shouldn't. I think she should have the CHOICE to continue the pregnancy and take the risk.


Why would I be against guns? Guns protect us.
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Guns protect us by killing people, or threatening by having the potential to do so. You don't want anyone's life taken, so you are against guns.

If anyone decides to respond to me please answer this one question: if that was you, would you want to be killed or would you rather be alive?
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If the world was all people like you, I'd rather be dead.
 
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zelman said:
If the world was all people like you, I'd rather be dead.
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Thank you I have the answer I already knew I had.

It's interesting how I'm the bad person but you are the one that is ok with killing. Seems backwards. Oh well I guess this is the only time you can murder someone without repercussions.

The difference between you and me is I'm not going to hold your incorrect beliefs against you. I'll accept you but know you are wrong.

You seem to think everytime there's an abortion it's for a "good reason". Do you really think if you didn't allow abortions, they'd all end in a dumpster? Oh wait a second that's bad because the child was born and now their life matters.

You keep saying choice, why doesn't the child get a choice?

Now please answer my question, why is it murder only after the child is born? You don't actually have to answer since I already got it from your previous response.

I'll end this rant with this, if there was no way it will be abused and the only abortions that were allowed were for the babies that would end up dead shortly after then I would accept it. I would want the outcome that gives the least amount of suffering for the child. The problem is this would be abused.
 
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WTF is going on?
 
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zelman said:
So you're just killing the discussion?
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That gave me a good laugh

I might as well stop since no one wants to answer my questions. I'll gladly respond to any questions why I believe we shouldn't kill but I'd also like people to answer my questions too.
 
wagrxm2000 said:
Thank you I have the answer I already knew I had.

It's interesting how I'm the bad person but you are the one that is ok with killing. Seems backwards. Oh well I guess this is the only time you can murder someone without repercussions.

The difference between you and me is I'm not going to hold your incorrect beliefs against you. I'll accept you but know you are wrong.

You seem to think everytime there's an abortion it's for a "good reason". Do you really think if you didn't allow abortions, they'd all end in a dumpster? Oh wait a second that's bad because the child was born and now their life matters.

You keep saying choice, why doesn't the child get a choice?

Now please answer my question, why is it murder only after the child is born? You don't actually have to answer since I already got it from your previous response.

I'll end this rant with this, if there was no way it will be abused and the only abortions that were allowed were for the babies that would end up dead shortly after then I would accept it. I would want the outcome that gives the least amount of suffering for the child. The problem is this would be abused.
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At what point in development do you think "suffering" can occur? I imagine a somewhat developed central nervous system would be required, right?
 
wagrxm2000 said:
That gave me a good laugh

I might as well stop since no one wants to answer my questions. I'll gladly respond to any questions why I believe we shouldn't kill but I'd also like people to answer my questions too.
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You still didn't answer how you can be pro-death causing device (guns) but anti-death.
 
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