Looks like someone is on OB-Gyn or Surgery.
Thanks for your very insightful and well-reasoned comments that contribute to the thread. You clearly are an intellectual, what with you providing nothing but an ad hominem. Oh wait, that's what a pseudointellectual would do, wouldn't he?
Thanks, I never saw this before. I will take a look at your older posts. I appreciate the lack of personal attacks and discussion, even though we disagree. People spend too much time on their egos and not enough on ideas and thoughts.
No one is attacking you. You whined and complained how UCLA SOM's admission committee got it wrong. So Southern IM and I asked you several times what would you do to change it. You have yet to delineate ANYTHING as far as what med schools should look at to weed out the type of person that stole the patient's iPad. You have bloviated however about not getting paid, yada yada, and so many things extraneous, but you have yet to say what metric or what you would look at differently that would be get a better batch than what those oh so stupid admission committees would get now. It seems like you're spending more time on your ego, than on actual ideas and thoughts.
Dude, let it go already. You haven't answered the "what is the solution to an unconscious patient" because you are afraid of the truth of "it depends." Yes, the answer is "it depends." How many times do I need to say it to get it through your dense, whiny questions? IT DEPENDS. IT DEPENDS. Do you understand yet? If not, answer my hypothetical.
It's bc your analogy doesn't make sense. Even then, a user above used your analogy as far as talking about what you're doing. If your only response is "it depends" then all you're doing is whining and you have no more clue as to how to filter out people like the UCLA student than the admissions committee. I'll put my faith into people who have been doing the admission committee game for decades (and don't get paid for it, contrary to what you believe) over you.
As long as they meet the bare minimums of competency, why does it matter if they don't work "hard enough?"
Thank you. Nobody not even medical school admins themselves have ever said the medical admissions process is perfect. Even that is evolving hence no longer traditional interviews with some schools doing the MMI. Even then, it's not perfect as there are resources on how to game the MMI. You're evaluating human beings by fellow human beings, by that very nature the process will be imperfect.
MMIs are a step in the wrong direction. This student presumably went through dozens of rounds of successful standardized patient interactions before she reached her clinical years, and MMIs are just a variation on standardized patient interactions.
Like I said, it's not perfect at filtering out people like the above student at UCLA. There is no metric that is 100% accurate.
Please do, I don't want anyone to follow me blindly. I recommend you think for yourself, but I'm not going to stop your faith either way.
So if one doesn't have experience inside an admissions committee means one should not be able to comment on it? If so, why are you allowed to and I'm not? And why, if I don't know what I'm talking about, do we have the same view, as you demonstrated here:
So you're allowed to say it's imperfect without articulating ways to improve it? Would you say this is hypocritical?
Ha, I laughed. Top-to-bottom, a perfect direction how this thread as gone. Seriously, people need to lighten up. If you have 1,728 or more posts on an online forum, how do you still resort to name calling? You're clearly just as smart as me if you're spending your time and energy in the same place, lol.
I'm not saying because she was an awesome person, I'm saying, if they looked at the disconnect of her personal accounts vs her accomplishments, it should have been a flag, not an outright "this person will steal" accusation. I never said this should be the job of adcoms to do, but rather, admissions needs to be fixed. Do you know how small and short the initial MMI study everyone seems focused on was? Why is there such resistance to change? Why are schools not working together? There's a treasure-trove of information medical schools are unwilling to look through. Sure, hire someone to do it if adcoms are busy. I have no beef with that. But to keep the status quo (while ironically showing research of the data can yield changes ala MMI) is careless.
No one has personally attacked you. No it's not hypocritical to say something is imperfect and not have alternative solutions bc I'm not directly criticizing UCLA's admissions committee like you did. Admissions committees all across the country, in medicine and outside medicine have said that it is an imperfect process. There is no one with actual credential or gravitas who believes the process is perfect, and I don't know anyone in Pre-Allo who has said that.
On a clerkship?
I think you're confusing my statements with that of my attackers. I never said to make changes to admissions based on one person; if you think I did, please quote me. Otherwise, we're both saying the same thing but trying to disagree with each other. What I put in bold, I never said otherwise and agree with 100%; if you thought otherwise, please find a quote where I say so. This confusion comes from the ramblings/poor interpretations of people who found my mockery of the current admissions system offensive. I did say, and will continue to say, that just because a system cannot be perfect doesn't mean we should not strive for perfection.
That's a very contrived rule you have created, but even if we were to amuse it, I never did attack UCLA's admission directly. So, it appears, it was your misunderstanding of my general comment about admissions that you construed as a direct assault on UCLA. While I'm not sure why this would matter - or how your rule of mocking a single admissions is not okay but overall okay makes sense, it really doesn't matter because I never did so. So, right now, you're still being hypocritical unless you can contort another strange rule.
Again, I bashed the imperfect medical school admission system for letting people like this through, not UCLA specifically. Her being at UCLA vs NYU wouldn't have mattered, I would have said the same things. You're free to interpret my statements as otherwise, but you'd be wrong. I think your failures to comprehend my repeated responses to your panhandling for a solution also stems from the same issue.
They probably automatically deleted when she reset the iPad.
"In 2012, prior to this case, Nguyen had been notified she faced dismissal from the medical school, according to documents provided to NBC4."
Here's one clue to it in the comments:
I don't know how NBC Los Angeles was able to find out about her possible dismissal yet when it comes to even finding out whether she's a student - UCLA cites privacy rights and declined to comment on any disciplinary action of whether she is still a student.
Except her academic records would be protected by FERPA.
Here's one clue to it in the comments:
Justin Opatkiewicz · Lecturer with Potential for Security of Employment at University of California, San Diego
Do you own a phone? Or an iPad? They are passcode protected. You can't see anything in the device until you put in your code. If your code mysteriously doesn't work, you don't think it's the wrong iPad or iPhone - you think there's a problem with YOUR iPad or YOUR iPhone. And the only way past the passcode is to delete all memory. You don't know any of the facts - just the bullsh*t that NBC chooses to report. Believe it or not, she's innocent until proven guilty. And if you actually look at all the facts - she's only guilty of making a stupid (though tragic) mistake. Can you claim you've never made a dumb mistake? Perhaps you're the terrible human building for judging people based on half truths and outright lies. Judge not lest ye be judged.
Justin Opatkiewicz · Lecturer with Potential for Security of Employment at University of California, San Diego
Diana Salazar Yeah, not everyone password protects it, but some do! Like medical doctors and medical students who have a work iPad, or patients who are in a hospital with strangers. It's not a lot of extra effort - it takes 20 seconds to do. And unless you know the code, you can't get through it. I bring it up, because that is the exact explanation as to why the ownership gets changed. I'm so f*cking defensive about this because I know Virginia personally and know exactly what happened. NBC doesn't give you anywhere near all the facts, knowing full well they are painting her as some monster, and you all just eat it up. Shame on all of you for instantly jumping to the worst conclusions without even bothering to actually think how ludicrous most the accusations are. I mean, jesus, the sunglasses claim is only brought out NOW - not months ago when this all started. It's all B.S.
How is he not helping? He's telling a plausible explanation for what happened.
Or even worse, called to testify.
