KU Med Class of 2009

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lilmo said:
That's what I thought about GI too, until I walked into the lab practical. Yikes! That was definitely my worst test by far :( I think Dr. Bast was out to get us for letting our intestines dry up or something.

Do you mind sharing what surprised you or made it so difficult? Thanks.

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Soup said:
Do you mind sharing what surprised you or made it so difficult? Thanks.

Ummmmmmmmm. I think there were a lot of secondary and tertiary questions. Not very many were straight up: What is this? I remember having a really hard time orientating myself as to which side was left, which side was R, what was ascending colon, what was descending colon due to how he draped the bodies. The material seemed very straight forward until I got into the lab practical (I don't remember the written part being as bad.) I'd recommend really studying foregut, midgut, hindgut because a lot of the test questions are based on that.

Good luck! :luck: :luck: :luck:
 
lilmo said:
Ummmmmmmmm. I think there were a lot of secondary and tertiary questions. Not very many were straight up: What is this? I remember having a really hard time orientating myself as to which side was left, which side was R, what was ascending colon, what was descending colon due to how he draped the bodies. The material seemed very straight forward until I got into the lab practical (I don't remember the written part being as bad.) I'd recommend really studying foregut, midgut, hindgut because a lot of the test questions are based on that.

Good luck! :luck: :luck: :luck:

Very Helpful as always. Thank You.
 
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lilmo said:
I'd recommend really studying foregut, midgut, hindgut because a lot of the test questions are based on that.

Definitely get those things down: ie foregut organs, their blood supply, innervation, etc etc. He hammers that in constantly, but it pays off, and its a great way to categorize all that crap in your head. I owened on my anatomy shelf b/c half of the questions were about blood supply to the abdomen and pelvis. Happy studying :horns:

ps---word on the street is that if you guys beat our CTB shelf average Klein's gonna wear cornrows! Better start studyin' now suckas, cuz you'll never touch our scores :smuggrin:
 
true story: i've been fighting a nasty GI bug the last few days (can't keep anything down, not even water). :barf: You would think that this would make studying for the GI block miserable. and it is. but at least now i'm somewhat interested in the material. for instance, i finally learned why i keep puking up a "coffee ground" substance. and why my stomach is so distended that i can't see my private parts. i feel better now though.

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I really think that Helmkamp might be the devil. He smiles the whole time he bends you over. :thumbdown:
 
Hey guys. Sorry to crash your thread like this (I'm a class of 2010 hopeful), but I just got an "on hold" letter today and had a question that I figured some of you might be able to answer. Are the March admittees typically people from the February interview pool, or did any of you that interviewed earlier on get put on hold and then accepted in March (as opposed to getting an alternate spot)? FYI, I am a January interviewee. Thanks for your help.
 
golfa said:
Hey guys. Sorry to crash your thread like this (I'm a class of 2010 hopeful), but I just got an "on hold" letter today and had a question that I figured some of you might be able to answer. Are the March admittees typically people from the February interview pool, or did any of you that interviewed earlier on get put on hold and then accepted in March (as opposed to getting an alternate spot)? FYI, I am a January interviewee. Thanks for your help.


Golfa,

KU accepts a tiny portion of applicants after they interview. For the most part, a majority of the class is not chosen until March. So, you, with the rest of us (I interviewed in late November) find out in March most likely.

Hope this helps,
 
absolutely, i was on hold from october until march! good luck :luck: :luck: :luck:
 
Thanks for the replies guys. That makes me feel a lot better knowing that.
 
So I know I put this question in the allopathic forum, but then I thought that I should've put it in here instead... I have the opportunity to choose between going to school at KU Med and KCUMB. Does any current students have information for me about their experiences with KU? What do you like, what are your gripes? I don't need any information concerning MD vs DO. I already know the general consensus on that flame. What I want to know is how conducive KU is to learning. I've heard that it is a somewhat impersonal environment and also somewhat difficult to learn because the professors primary interest is their research. I'm also concerned about the fact that their starting a new curriculum next year. What are your thoughts? Thank you SO much for your help.
 
noelleruckman said:
So I know I put this question in the allopathic forum, but then I thought that I should've put it in here instead... I have the opportunity to choose between going to school at KU Med and KCUMB. Does any current students have information for me about their experiences with KU? What do you like, what are your gripes? I don't need any information concerning MD vs DO. I already know the general consensus on that flame. What I want to know is how conducive KU is to learning. I've heard that it is a somewhat impersonal environment and also somewhat difficult to learn because the professors primary interest is their research. I'm also concerned about the fact that their starting a new curriculum next year. What are your thoughts? Thank you SO much for your help.

Sounds like you've had a "salesman" talking to you :cool: What I am going to tell you is truth. Because you posted here, you are someone who is on the cusp of a decent mcat score. You're a really "nice" person, have a great personality and would make a great doctor! And, you really, in your deepest darkest thoughts, want to go to KU, but...If that doesn't work out, KUMCB is a pretty good school too. And, you really like the people you've met over there. They are all interested in you and all the students you've met are really nice and cool. The administration really seems to "care". If you are a non-traditional, you know how the world works, you've been burnt a couple of times and you are skeptical, because you know its "All about the money $$!" And you would be right. It is ultimately, all about the money. They like you because you are a paycheck! learn to appreciate that fact and know the alternative motive of all people and organisms. Self preservation! Now...

You really need to evaluate yourself to know whether you are a person who needs a lot of support from administration or whether you like to chart your own path? Can you develop your own team? or Do you want to have a system in place that puts you within a group that is "conducive to learning"? Do you want to hear lectures from someone who is doing research on the topic/subject of your lecture or do you want a person who will be with you throughout the year? Are you 80% sure you are going to go into a primary care field or are you not sure? Do you want to get into a highly competetive residency?
Does KU support you? Yes, but they don't hold your hand. They have a department dedicated (and super nice) of docs and masters of psychology and learning specialists who will bend over backward to make sure you are doing well emotionally, physically and mentally. Then give you skill sets to succeed.
At KU you are assigned to groups to complete labs, clinical cases/skills and discussion groups, but if you want to put a study group together, you are going to have to open your mouth, b/c you aren't assigned those type of groups. Our class is great! I have walked into the cadaver lab on a weekend and just jumped in with a group of people who were going over structures. We all put together study tools (pwr points, word docs, quizzes, etc..) and send them out as mass emails to our comrades. But, most people study on their own and get together a few days before exam blocks to reinforce stuff (if time allows :laugh: ) Laugh you say...but you are doing very well to cover each lecture in detail & finish the objectives. Time is not on your side.
Here is the truth. If you are going to go into a primary care type field, either school will get you there. If you want to go into a more competitive field, KU gives you a better shot at getting there. Is that wrong. Probably. But, the truth is, there are 10x more MD's than DO's out there and people "in general" are more comfortable with what they know. What they know, is "DO = primary care". And many of our older population still see's a DO as someone who is a chiropractor or not a doctor at all. Wrong perception? yes. I would say, that approximately 70% of the general population couldn't tell you what the difference is between an MD and a DO, but if they went into a town that had two doctors, one and MD and one a DO. If they didn't know anyone and had never had any kind of experience with a DO, you and I know which one they would go to first. Is that wrong. Yes, but that's life. A DO will constantly carry a small chip, if they let that kind of thing get to them. They will constantly get the question...Why didn't you become a doctor?
"Are the prof's more interested in their research? or teaching?" That is the sales pitch you heard from KUMCB, right. Anyway, That is prof to prof. Some would much rather be stuck in a lab. But, they chose to pursue medical research at a public research and medical school, so they knew they would be teaching and most of them like to see the light come on and know they were responsible for hitting the switch. And, most prof's like the "stage". Honestly, most of them are so damn smart, when they are teaching the basics, its boring. Boring to them and boring to us, too! When they get to going on some of the cutting edge stuff, you can see their hair stand up :sleep: .
Now, if I haven't put you to sleep and... that was my intention, you should be worried about the new curriculum. I wouldn't want to be the 1st year to do it and there have been battle royals in departments over how much "teaching" time each department gets within each block of material. There are some fantastic profs that will not be teaching next year b/c another department thinks they could cover that in their lectures or...it could be covered in less time :laugh: or self-study is just as effecient for the student :eek: .

Will the new curriculum be good? They will be teaching you to the boards and national tests. Whatever that means. The truth behind ALL the integrated approaches is it allows for larger class sizes = more doc's produced = more dollars coming through the school. And the legislature is demanding more docs to come out of KU for KS. So, how do you do that? You do the "integrated approach". :idea: ..i.e. you put kids in groups and give them the basics through lecture, give them a bunch of objectives and let them hash through them and find the answers. And, you can do that. I've done that, many of my classmates miss class and do that.
Will it work. yeah. But, there will be a number of your classmates who are going to have a real hard time with it. And, I've heard they are going to "dumb" up the tests to accomadate students until they have their feet under them. As for us, they smashed us in the face with so much material the first week of class i thought my head was going to explode. And it kept coming and hasn't stopped. They wanted to make the last class to do the classical education suffer and see if they could drop our scores on their tests to justify the decision to make the move. Didn't work. We've done as well as any other class to come through. Your brain adjusts to the level of intensity required to do the job.

I've got great friends and have met some really great people at KU. Would I come here again? In a heart beat, no questions, no reservations! best decision I have ever made. Would I come back here next year, if I were in your shoes? Yep. More opportunity! Remember...self preservation rule. KU opens more doors and gives me more options. If you end up here, the only difference is you must take more control of your destiny. But, that's why they pay 20G more a year over there. :idea: :scared:
 
I admit, I have not read anything posted on this thread, so if I repeat something, I apologize...

Take KU and don't look back; simply because you don't know what you want to do for a career as far as specialty, and academic vs private. You may think you do, but so many people who have been sure they want to do FP end up in surgery, etc... My point is, and those of you who are angry reading this, it is possible to anything you want as a DO, if you are an all-star. But, it is easier to achieve the same goals coming from a state allopathic school than to fight for the same thing coming from an osteopathic school. And by easier, I don't mean easier classes/tests/etc... I mean easier to obtain the residency that you want. And your residency training is where the rubber meets the road, not medical school. So you should put yourself in the best possible position for obtaining the residency you desire and that means go to KU.
 
dr4ku said:
Sounds like you've had a "salesman" talking to you :cool: What I am going to tell you is truth. Because you posted here, you are someone who is on the cusp of a decent mcat score. You're a really "nice" person, have a great personality and would make a great doctor! And, you really, in your deepest darkest thoughts, want to go to KU, but...If that doesn't work out, KUMCB is a pretty good school too. And, you really like the people you've met over there. They are all interested in you and all the students you've met are really nice and cool. The administration really seems to "care". If you are a non-traditional, you know how the world works, you've been burnt a couple of times and you are skeptical, because you know its "All about the money $$!" And you would be right. It is ultimately, all about the money. They like you because you are a paycheck! learn to appreciate that fact and know the alternative motive of all people and organisms. Self preservation! Now...

You really need to evaluate yourself to know whether you are a person who needs a lot of support from administration or whether you like to chart your own path? Can you develop your own team? or Do you want to have a system in place that puts you within a group that is "conducive to learning"? Do you want to hear lectures from someone who is doing research on the topic/subject of your lecture or do you want a person who will be with you throughout the year? Are you 80% sure you are going to go into a primary care field or are you not sure? Do you want to get into a highly competetive residency?
Does KU support you? Yes, but they don't hold your hand. They have a department dedicated (and super nice) of docs and masters of psychology and learning specialists who will bend over backward to make sure you are doing well emotionally, physically and mentally. Then give you skill sets to succeed.
At KU you are assigned to groups to complete labs, clinical cases/skills and discussion groups, but if you want to put a study group together, you are going to have to open your mouth, b/c you aren't assigned those type of groups. Our class is great! I have walked into the cadaver lab on a weekend and just jumped in with a group of people who were going over structures. We all put together study tools (pwr points, word docs, quizzes, etc..) and send them out as mass emails to our comrades. But, most people study on their own and get together a few days before exam blocks to reinforce stuff (if time allows :laugh: ) Laugh you say...but you are doing very well to cover each lecture in detail & finish the objectives. Time is not on your side.
Here is the truth. If you are going to go into a primary care type field, either school will get you there. If you want to go into a more competitive field, KU gives you a better shot at getting there. Is that wrong. Probably. But, the truth is, there are 10x more MD's than DO's out there and people "in general" are more comfortable with what they know. What they know, is "DO = primary care". And many of our older population still see's a DO as someone who is a chiropractor or not a doctor at all. Wrong perception? yes. I would say, that approximately 70% of the general population couldn't tell you what the difference is between an MD and a DO, but if they went into a town that had two doctors, one and MD and one a DO. If they didn't know anyone and had never had any kind of experience with a DO, you and I know which one they would go to first. Is that wrong. Yes, but that's life. A DO will constantly carry a small chip, if they let that kind of thing get to them. They will constantly get the question...Why didn't you become a doctor?
"Are the prof's more interested in their research? or teaching?" That is the sales pitch you heard from KUMCB, right. Anyway, That is prof to prof. Some would much rather be stuck in a lab. But, they chose to pursue medical research at a public research and medical school, so they knew they would be teaching and most of them like to see the light come on and know they were responsible for hitting the switch. And, most prof's like the "stage". Honestly, most of them are so damn smart, when they are teaching the basics, its boring. Boring to them and boring to us, too! When they get to going on some of the cutting edge stuff, you can see their hair stand up :sleep: .
Now, if I haven't put you to sleep and... that was my intention, you should be worried about the new curriculum. I wouldn't want to be the 1st year to do it and there have been battle royals in departments over how much "teaching" time each department gets within each block of material. There are some fantastic profs that will not be teaching next year b/c another department thinks they could cover that in their lectures or...it could be covered in less time :laugh: or self-study is just as effecient for the student :eek: .

Will the new curriculum be good? They will be teaching you to the boards and national tests. Whatever that means. The truth behind ALL the integrated approaches is it allows for larger class sizes = more doc's produced = more dollars coming through the school. And the legislature is demanding more docs to come out of KU for KS. So, how do you do that? You do the "integrated approach". :idea: ..i.e. you put kids in groups and give them the basics through lecture, give them a bunch of objectives and let them hash through them and find the answers. And, you can do that. I've done that, many of my classmates miss class and do that.
Will it work. yeah. But, there will be a number of your classmates who are going to have a real hard time with it. And, I've heard they are going to "dumb" up the tests to accomadate students until they have their feet under them. As for us, they smashed us in the face with so much material the first week of class i thought my head was going to explode. And it kept coming and hasn't stopped. They wanted to make the last class to do the classical education suffer and see if they could drop our scores on their tests to justify the decision to make the move. Didn't work. We've done as well as any other class to come through. Your brain adjusts to the level of intensity required to do the job.

I've got great friends and have met some really great people at KU. Would I come here again? In a heart beat, no questions, no reservations! best decision I have ever made. Would I come back here next year, if I were in your shoes? Yep. More opportunity! Remember...self preservation rule. KU opens more doors and gives me more options. If you end up here, the only difference is you must take more control of your destiny. But, that's why they pay 20G more a year over there. :idea: :scared:


Interesting. I've looked into both..and am to speak with a current MD/PhD at KU soon about the school.
 
noelleruckman said:
So I know I put this question in the allopathic forum, but then I thought that I should've put it in here instead... I have the opportunity to choose between going to school at KU Med and KCUMB. Does any current students have information for me about their experiences with KU? What do you like, what are your gripes? I don't need any information concerning MD vs DO. I already know the general consensus on that flame. What I want to know is how conducive KU is to learning. I've heard that it is a somewhat impersonal environment and also somewhat difficult to learn because the professors primary interest is their research. I'm also concerned about the fact that their starting a new curriculum next year. What are your thoughts? Thank you SO much for your help.

yo -

Obviously in-state tution at KUMC is a HUGE advantage. We're talking 15 grand a year in tution. If you're in-state, it'd be hard to justify going to KCUMB unless you are just completely in love with the school or something.

If you're an out of state student, then it's a little bit more difficult of a decision. Obviously the first place most people would go is the MD/DO thing in getting residency spots. You know yourself, are you the type of person who is ultra-competative and is going to be gunning for the top residency spots in the more competative fields? Some people really are cut out for (and seem drawn to) that type of pressure as much as the speciality. If so, then you're better off going MD.

That said, there are a lot of good things about KCUMB. I've got serveral friends there, my fiancee goes there, and several of the doc's I grew up shadowing went there. Probably the two biggest gripes I hear are the attendance policy and the dress code (dress up or scrubs). Annoying indeed, we don't have those at KU. BUT it's not really that big of a deal. I looked into going to KCUMB and at that time (a couple years ago), there students were matching a good mix of residencies, both in terms of speciality and MD/DO. The 3rd year roations sites can be iffy from what i've heard; they can also be really good - it depends on where you get sent. In my mind the biggest disadvantage of most DO schools (KCUMB included) is the lack of a hospital. As such clinicals for KCUMB students can be all over the place. At KUMC you'll either be in KC or Wichita for the 3rd year.

I should say that so far I've enjoyed KUMC. The administration is very supportive of the students and has made a lot of resources available to us. I've been surprised by how much I like my classmates; you always hear how competative and cut-throat it is in med school - my class really isn't like that. The basic science faculty is, I would say, about average. You've got some really good prof's, some pretty bad ones, and a lot who are just average. I would definately choose to come here if given the choice to do over... as long as I would still be coming in as a student in the c/o 2009

I have to tell you that I am concerned about the curriculum switch next year. As you know, KUMC is switching to a system/problem based curriculum. They will be completely revamping the curriculum; professors who have directed courses for 30 years (literally) will be forced to change into a completely different system. And it's not secret that most of the professors are not happy about this. I honestly believe their concern goes beyond resenting the extra work developing a new curriculum will take; there are some serious questions about several aspects of the new system that have yet to be resolved. There is a lack of faculty to facilitate the small group learning. More than that, there will be a shift in the emphasis of lectures/small group stuff - more clinically based. Not an entirely bad thing; BUT (and it's a big one) they are still going to be requiring students to learn the same basic science information, but much more on their own. For some people, this isn't a problem (like me, for instance - i don't go to class). But some faculuty (faculuty that I really respect and who really care about the students) are very concerned that a large chunck of the class may get left behind w/o the basic science lecturing. There is also concern that the emphasis on topics is being skewed towards the essoterric away from the actually important - this is largely due to concern with one of the faculty members who is heavily involved in designing the new curriculum and happens to think that his particular field of interest is more important that other. Basically, they are cutting back all lecture time slots, but anatomy and physiology are getting cut way way more than biochemistry - the concern is (for both me, many fellow students, and professors) that clinically, the anatomy and physiology are way way more relavent that the biochem.

Anyway, it scares me that not all the faculty are on-board with the curriculum change. As much as the administration is trying, they just don't have everyone convinced that this is the right change at the right time. Now I know the professors will all be working hard to help students succeed, but I really am concerned that next year is going to be a total train-wreck both in terms of organization and future board scores.

So that's my viewpoint on the issue. I can't say what I'd do if I were you - I really don't know. I do love KUMC and trust that they will get things figured out with the curriculum - i just don't think that next year is going to go especially smoothly.

Good luck!
dave
 
As a person applying to be a part of the class of '11, I really, really appreciate your non-biased opinion on this. The curriculum change is something I will pay close attention to, as I'm already a huge fan of the KCUMB curriculum, and as a married non-trad, I will be looking to stay close to KC for my Medical School experience.
 
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