"Help Me Rank" IM 2020

[dorster]

Hi all!
This is my ROL so far. Need visa and looking to pursue a fellowship (leaning towards Hem/Onc but subject to change). Would you recommend any changes?

1. University of Oklahoma
2. Albany Medical Center
3. Westchester Medical Center
4. Zucker Staten Island
5. Rochester Unity Hospital
6. Carle Foundation
7. St. Mary's Waterbury, CT
8. Charleston Area Medical Center
9. Canton Medical Education Foundation

Goal being Hem/Onc (not highly competitive specialty) I would still look at the programs match rates and hem / onc programs. Just based on reputation and education I would probably rank somewhat like this, but also depends on your location preferences and if QOL is a factor.
1 vs 2) Either Staten Island or Westchester Medical Center
3 vs 4) Either Albany or University of Oklahoma
The rest I don't think order matters much, just go based on your feel during the interview day and if you have the fellowship match lists and based on location for you personally.

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[IM-residency-applicant]

Why is Baylor your #2? Is this an affiliated program?

H1b makes a huge difference, so if you prioritize this, your #2 doesn't make sense.

Otherwise Baylor is the biggest name.

Yes, this is a university affiliated community hospital.

 

[dorster]

Non US IMG, looking to do fellowship probably in GI.

Looking for reviews to decide bw Westchester NY and Cook County.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Is the cook county the primary care focused residency program? If so I would choose Westchester over Cook County.

 

[dorster]

Hi guys!!
I'm a non-US IMG. I need visa: J1 or H1b. I'm interested in a competitive fellowship like GI/ Cardio. I'd really appreciate your help with my ROL.

1. Pennsylvania Hospital, Philadelphia ((H1b, no fellowships, strong connections)
2. Baylor University Medical Center, Dallas (J1, in-house fellowships)
3. University of Pittsburgh Medical Center- Mercy (H1b) (no fellowships)
4. Northwell Staten Island (J1, inhouse fellowships)
5. University of Buffalo (J1, inhouse fellowships)
6. St. Vincent, Worceter (J1, inhouse cardio fellowship)
7. St. Joseph’s Univ. Medical Center, Paterson (J1, inhouse fellowships)
8. East Tennessee State University (J1, inhouse fellowships)
9. Mercy- Darby, PA
10. Steward Carney, Boston
11. AtlantiCare, Atlantic City
12. Prince George- Univ. Of Maryland
13. Hurley, Flint (med-peds)

I would rank Staten Island higher if you're interested in Cardio just based on the fact their in house cardio fellowship is not in the match and reserved for internal applicants. It gives you a big leg up for getting cardio.

 

[obiwan]

Why is Baylor your #2? Is this an affiliated program?
H1b makes a huge difference, so if you prioritize this, your #2 doesn't make sense.
Otherwise Baylor is the biggest name.

Yes, this is a university affiliated community hospital.

This has long been a source of confusion with the nomenclature and history of Baylor University Medical Center ...... it is not in any way affiliated with Baylor College of Medicine in Houston, TX (it was back in the early times like 1910 when these institutions were being established in Dallas). It has an affiliation with Texas A&M School of Medicine in Temple, TX where some 3rd and 4th year med students rotate through here but the actual residency programs are a standalone program through the hospital itself and not any medical school. I work at BUMC

 

[Dominus]

Okay put some thought into it and have a more focussed question: how is the PCCM training/fellowship at Wisconsin vs OHSU vs OSU? Those are the last three I'm deciding between and need a little help. I've heard rumors about lower resident autonomy at Wisconsin and OHSU but idk how true it is...

 

[rokshana]

Hi guys!!
I'm a non-US IMG. I need visa: J1 or H1b. I'm interested in a competitive fellowship like GI/ Cardio. I'd really appreciate your help with my ROL.

1. Pennsylvania Hospital, Philadelphia ((H1b, no fellowships, strong connections)
2. Baylor University Medical Center, Dallas (J1, in-house fellowships)
3. University of Pittsburgh Medical Center- Mercy (H1b) (no fellowships)
4. Northwell Staten Island (J1, inhouse fellowships)
5. University of Buffalo (J1, inhouse fellowships)
6. St. Vincent, Worceter (J1, inhouse cardio fellowship)
7. St. Joseph’s Univ. Medical Center, Paterson (J1, inhouse fellowships)
8. East Tennessee State University (J1, inhouse fellowships)
9. Mercy- Darby, PA
10. Steward Carney, Boston
11. AtlantiCare, Atlantic City
12. Prince George- Univ. Of Maryland
13. Hurley, Flint (med-peds)

Why would you put programs that have no fellowships above those that do?
5-8 should be way higher

 

[rokshana]

Goal being Hem/Onc (not highly competitive specialty) I would still look at the programs match rates and hem / onc programs. Just based on reputation and education I would probably rank somewhat like this, but also depends on your location preferences and if QOL is a factor.
1 vs 2) Either Staten Island or Westchester Medical Center
3 vs 4) Either Albany or University of Oklahoma
The rest I don't think order matters much, just go based on your feel during the interview day and if you have the fellowship match lists and based on location for you personally.

Who told you hem/onc is not a competitive specialty? It’s there right behind gi/cards and =ish with pccm.

 

[rokshana]

Why is Baylor your #2? Is this an affiliated program?

H1b makes a huge difference, so if you prioritize this, your #2 doesn't make sense.

Otherwise Baylor is the biggest name.

Main Baylor is in Houston

 

[dorster]

Who told you hem/onc is not a competitive specialty? It’s there right behind gi/cards and =ish with pccm.

I never said its not a competitive specialty. If you see I said its not a "highly" competitive specialty. GI /Cards = highly competitive. Rheum, Pulm Crit / Hem-on = still somewhat competitive. I suggested they look at the residency programs fellowship match rates. Please see bolow:

GI match

rheum match

pulm-crit match

cards match

hem/onc match.


Data from 2019 NRMP Results pdf. As you can see the match rate for Hem onc was 74.8% which is the highest match rate. (GI>>> rheum >>> pulm-crit >> cards >> hem/onc). Although this data doesn't speak to the applicant pool. Obviously the lesser competitive specialties being nephrology, endo, geriatrics, etc.

 

[Kayra01]

US- IMG non Caribbean - Hey all, not looking for a competitive residency. Will most likely apply to endo in the future. I really prefer resident satisfaction and lifestyle.

1.) St. Vincent in Worcester, MA- loved the hospital and residents, reasonable lifestyle

2.) Baystate Medical Center- close to home. Enjoyed the residents. Have a bunch of in house fellowships.

3.) Abington Hospital
4.) Health Quest in Poughkeepsie, NY
5.) Berkshire Medical Center in MA
6.) capital health new jersey( Idk about this one but I really liked the PD)
7.) SUNY- scared of workload honestly and I didn’t like Brooklyn
8.) Raritan bag medical center/ jersey shore
9.) Hackensack palisades- nice hospital and area but the residents seemed so unhappy. Also pay sucks compared to the cost of living
10.) Mt Sinai elmhurst
12.) Cayuga Medical Center - likes upstate NY but did not enjoy how remote it was.


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[SandP]

Having trouble deciding between UTSW and NW. Want to go into GI. Want to become the best doc I can be and have the best shot at a good GI fellowship. Thoughts?

 

[Animalcules]

Having trouble deciding between UTSW and NW. Want to go into GI. Want to become the best doc I can be and have the best shot at a good GI fellowship. Thoughts?

If you can stomach Dallas, UTSW is a top program with superb PD. Nobody will question your autonomy.

 

[obiwan]

Having trouble deciding between UTSW and NW. Want to go into GI. Want to become the best doc I can be and have the best shot at a good GI fellowship. Thoughts?

If you can stomach Dallas, UTSW is a top program with superb PD. Nobody will question your autonomy.

By name alone, you won't be limiting yourself to any fellowship programs at either place. I'll just say with a N=1 that the 1st year GI fellow who had done residency at NW was pretty bad at running the GI consult service team when I was doing my elective during 3rd year at Parkland

LOL, you make it seem like dallas is that terrible of a city to live in

 

[Greyhame]

Goal being Hem/Onc (not highly competitive specialty) I would still look at the programs match rates and hem / onc programs. Just based on reputation and education I would probably rank somewhat like this, but also depends on your location preferences and if QOL is a factor.
1 vs 2) Either Staten Island or Westchester Medical Center
3 vs 4) Either Albany or University of Oklahoma
The rest I don't think order matters much, just go based on your feel during the interview day and if you have the fellowship match lists and based on location for you personally.

thanks a lot for your feedback!

 

[Icantbebothered]

Hey I know my list in not very impressive, but if someone could help me out here it would be very helpful. I dont have any fellowship interests.
1. York Hospital
2. Nassau University Medical Center
3. St Joseph Mercy Ann Arbor
4. Jacobi Medical Center
5. UIC Peoria
6. Ascension St John Hospital, Detroit
7. St Agnes Baltimore
8. Lincoln Medical Center
9. St Mary, Langhorne

 

[Kayra01]

US- IMG non Caribbean - Hey all, not looking for a competitive residency. Will most likely apply to endo in the future. I really prefer resident satisfaction and lifestyle.

1.) St. Vincent in Worcester, MA- loved the hospital and residents, reasonable lifestyle

2.) Baystate Medical Center- close to home. Enjoyed the residents. Have a bunch of in house fellowships.

3.) Abington Hospital
4.) Health Quest in Poughkeepsie, NY
5.) Berkshire Medical Center in MA
6.) capital health new jersey( Idk about this one but I really liked the PD)
7.) SUNY- scared of workload honestly and I didn’t like Brooklyn
8.) Raritan bag medical center/ jersey shore
9.) Hackensack palisades- nice hospital and area but the residents seemed so unhappy. Also pay sucks compared to the cost of living
10.) Mt Sinai elmhurst
12.) Cayuga Medical Center - likes upstate NY but did not enjoy how remote it was.


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[Fewa Fibroblast]

Overall I would say good. My one critique would be to move Piedmont farther down the list in my opinion. My my brother did his Sub-I there recently (from the area) and said the residents were constantly overworked past hours and quit miserable behind closed doors. Also, very little faculty leadership even though they are quite friendly.

Thank you very much for that information. Do you have any idea about these programs? All of them are very similar to me.
1. UPMC McKeesport
2. UPMC pinnacle
3. St. Agnes Baltimore

 

[Fewa Fibroblast]

Hey I know my list in not very impressive, but if someone could help me out here it would be very helpful. I dont have any fellowship interests.
1. York Hospital
2. Nassau University Medical Center
3. St Joseph Mercy Ann Arbor
4. Jacobi Medical Center
5. UIC Peoria
6. Ascension St John Hospital, Detroit
7. St Agnes Baltimore
8. Lincoln Medical Center
9. St Mary, Langhorne

What did you think of St Agnes. Does it have in house fellowships?

 

[KarenGhazi]

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I don’t understand how St Vincent is no.1 on your list, the city is practically dead, living costs are pretty high for such lifestyle, workload is still very high because a resident practically is in charge of almost everything else because they only have inhouse cardio (as far as i remember), and also they’re not affiliated to a uni (also as far as i remember)

 

[KarenGhazi]

Hi guys!!
I'm a non-US IMG. I need visa: J1 or H1b. I'm interested in a competitive fellowship like GI/ Cardio. I'd really appreciate your help with my ROL.

1. Pennsylvania Hospital, Philadelphia ((H1b, no fellowships, strong connections)
2. Baylor University Medical Center, Dallas (J1, in-house fellowships)
3. University of Pittsburgh Medical Center- Mercy (H1b) (no fellowships)
4. Northwell Staten Island (J1, inhouse fellowships)
5. University of Buffalo (J1, inhouse fellowships)
6. St. Vincent, Worceter (J1, inhouse cardio fellowship)
7. St. Joseph’s Univ. Medical Center, Paterson (J1, inhouse fellowships)
8. East Tennessee State University (J1, inhouse fellowships)
9. Mercy- Darby, PA
10. Steward Carney, Boston
11. AtlantiCare, Atlantic City
12. Prince George- Univ. Of Maryland
13. Hurley, Flint (med-peds)

Hi, do you mind saying please why uni of buffalo is below staten island?

 

[Kayra01]

I don’t understand how St Vincent is no.1 on your list, the city is practically dead, living costs are pretty high for such lifestyle, workload is still very high because a resident practically is in charge of almost everything else because they only have inhouse cardio (as far as i remember), and also they’re not affiliated to a uni (also as far as i remember)

I agree with you about the city, but I have an established home there so I’d like to be close to family. I believe they’re affiliated with UMass.
Thanks so much for your insight, tho, I’ll keep it in mind.

Objectively, what would you put number one from my list? Lifestyle wise and not interested in competitive fellowship


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[rokshana]

I agree with you about the city, but I have an established home there so I’d like to be close to family. I believe they’re affiliated with UMass.
Thanks so much for your insight, tho, I’ll keep it in mind.

Objectively, what would you put number one from my list? Lifestyle wise and not interested in competitive fellowship


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Unless it’s new, St Vincent is not affiliated with umass.

Bay state does have the umass affiliation

If you are looking to do endocrine fellowship, would put the places that have an endocrine fellowship in house.

Don’t understand why you would put downstate so low...it’s probably the best program on your list ...you really dont want to do the work to get good training? As an img you need all the help
you can get and picking a community program over a uni program is not that wise...I mean if the community program is ccf or Mayo that’s a different story, but that’s not the case here.

 

[KarenGhazi]

Agree with Rokshana, Also I second that st vincent is not affiliated with umass

Unless it’s new, St Vincent is not affiliated with umass.

Bay state does have the umass affiliation

If you are looking to do endocrine fellowship, would put the places that have an endocrine fellowship in house.

Don’t understand why you would put downstate so low...it’s probably the best program on your list ...you really dont want to do the work to get good training? As an img you need all the help
you can get and picking a community program over a uni program is not that wise...I mean if the community program is ccf or Mayo that’s a different story, but that’s not the case here.

I agree with you about the city, but I have an established home there so I’d like to be close to family. I believe they’re affiliated with UMass.
Thanks so much for your insight, tho, I’ll keep it in mind.

Objectively, what would you put number one from my list? Lifestyle wise and not interested in competitive fellowship


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[GreyKoala]

Help me rank these SoCal Programs. I am kind of interested in cards but also hospital medicine or primary care. Here's what I am thinking so far:

1) Cedars
2) USC
3) Scripps Green
4) UCI
5) UCLA Harbor
6) Scripps Mercy

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

Having done a subI at several of these places and eventually trained at Scripps Mercy, I can give you my opinion.

Scripps Mercy is really underrated. The training is second to none, lots of autonomy. Because we don't have fellowships of our own, we essentially are treated like fellows. We manage vents as early as first day as an intern. We are comfortable with any lines, procedures. If you're interested in cards, you can ask to help cath, or bronch for pulm.

The faculty here LOVES teaching and they are so nice. Our didactics are mostly taught by subspecialists of internal medicine .

As residents, we are happy and have really good work life balance, leaving the hospital by 430 most days. When we're working we see the sickest patients due to the county population.

The only cons of the program is you have to match into fellowships outside of the program but we have no trouble matching into anything. Some years people are just more interested in some fellowships more than others. Also you have to be okay with working with the county population.

Out fellowship match : this year all the pgy3 matched into #1 specialty and location https://www.scripps.org/sparkle-ass...rcy-internal-medicine-postresidency-plans.pdf

Personally, I also liked harbor ucla when I did a subI there but the hours were much more rough. Training is about equivalent and residents seemed happy.

UCI.... Ill just say... do a subI there to know. (I know it's too late at this time)

Scripps green - there are options for in house fellowships which is cool, clinically you don't get to do as much because there are fellows. Less autonomy.

 

[DrSocrates]

VCU vs Boston University for eventual GI fellowship match.

 

[whoknows2012]

VCU vs Boston University for eventual GI fellowship match.

I would say BU no matter what the reason-it’s a very good program

 

[rokshana]

VCU vs Boston University for eventual GI fellowship match.

VCU...has one of the best GI programs out there.

 

[Icantbebothered]

What did you think of St Agnes. Does it have in house fellowships?

Not the greatest impression tbh, they don't have any in house fellowships, and from the interview day itself I got the idea that they weren't too supportive of residents with fellowship interests.

 

[whoknows2012]

VCU...has one of the best GI programs out there.

That might be true-but what is their GI match look like? BU has it publicly on their website and it’s pretty solid (as is their overall match).

 

[rokshana]

That might be true-but what is their GI match look like? BU has it publicly on their website and it’s pretty solid (as is their overall match).

BU is great training...you will work hard and given the pt population(it’s the de facto charity hospital) you will see amazing breath of pathology. And of course there will be good research there. Just saying that goal is GI, VCU probably has a better rep GI wise.

 

[renebaebae]

Hey guys, this is my tentative ROL. any input is welcomed. I'm not super sure yet but I'm leaning towards a heme/onc fellowship. The only reason the NY program is that low is because I don't think I will like living in NY

1. Case western Metrohealth
2. Uconn
3. Allegheny General
4. Medstar Washington
5. UPMC Mercy
6. Icahn SOM St. Luke's
7. Overlook Hospital
8. U of New Mexico
9. Rutgers/Trinitas
10. NYMC ST Micheals in NJ
11. Creighton's Univ St. Joseph's
12. Anne Arundel

Let me know what you think, thanks

 

[Fewa Fibroblast]

Any idea about these programs? All of them are very similar to me.
1. UPMC McKeesport
2. UPMC pinnacle
3. St. Agnes Baltimore

 

[LESBLEUE]

help me rank, Oncology fellowship; academic career


CCF H1 visa
UNC J1

 

[rokshana]

help me rank, Oncology fellowship; academic career


CCF H1 visa
UNC J1

UNC
CCF

 

[DrJackRyan]

Can someone help me rank these two: I'm currently struggling at deciding between the two. I'm interested in either pulm/cc or cards.

1) Baylor Scott and White - Temple
2) UTMB

 

[LESBLEUE]

UNC
CCF

Thank you so much for you comment, would you think that even with the visa difference ? it would be fair to choose UNC

 

[dizzylizzy]

Hey everyone, could I get some help with ranking BU vs Emory? I'm interested in Cards/GI but honestly not dead set on either. Any input would be appreciated.

 

[obiwan]

Can someone help me rank these two: I'm currently struggling at deciding between the two. I'm interested in either pulm/cc or cards.

1) Baylor Scott and White - Temple
2) UTMB

Would give the slight edge to S&W if talking about the programs in isolation but that being said, living in central Texas vs Houston metro area is another matter

 

[rokshana]

Thank you so much for you comment, would you think that even with the visa difference ? it would be fair to choose UNC

I didn’t take the visa into consideration.

 

[Hordeolum]

Hey everyone! Would appreciate people's feedback on my rank list. I'm considering fellowship in cardiology vs. critical care. In terms of location: NYC > Boston > New Haven = Baltimore. I'm especially curious about Bayview vs. Tufts. Tufts in in a better location for me, but nothing stood out on interview day, whereas the residents at Bayview seemed to be doing incredible things with their access to Hopkins resources (but I'm wondering if my impression of there being such a great difference is correct). Thanks!

1. Cornell
2. BIDMC
3. Yale
4. Montefiore
5. Mount Sinai (hated interview day)
6. Hopkins Bayview
7. Tufts
8. NSLIJ
9. Downstate
10. Stony Brook
11. Rutger-RWJ (hated interview day)
12. Jacobi

 

[whoknows2012]

Hey everyone! Would appreciate people's feedback on my rank list. I'm considering fellowship in cardiology vs. critical care. In terms of location: NYC > Boston > New Haven = Baltimore. I'm especially curious about Bayview vs. Tufts. Tufts in in a better location for me, but nothing stood out on interview day, whereas the residents at Bayview seemed to be doing incredible things with their access to Hopkins resources (but I'm wondering if my impression of there being such a great difference is correct). Thanks!

1. Cornell
2. BIDMC
3. Yale
4. Montefiore
5. Mount Sinai (hated interview day)
6. Hopkins Bayview
7. Tufts
8. NSLIJ
9. Downstate
10. Stony Brook
11. Rutger-RWJ (hated interview day)
12. Jacobi

Hard to say re; tufts vs bayview as far as your question goes but I’d say bayview>tufts. Also you can’t really go wrong with your top 7 the only question I have is why you didn’t like Sinai that much-it’s a better program than Yale and Monte (especially for cardiology) but I do understand impressions on interview day do matter. Congrats on your great list and good luck

 

[Hordeolum]

Hard to say re; tufts vs bayview as far as your question goes but I’d say bayview>tufts. Also you can’t really go wrong with your top 7 the only question I have is why you didn’t like Sinai that much-it’s a better program than Yale and Monte (especially for cardiology) but I do understand impressions on interview day do matter. Congrats on your great list and good luck

Thanks for the feedback! Regarding Mount Sinai, I'm just not a fan of the culture there and had several off-putting interactions with residents and faculty on interview day...although I definitely know its a strong program.

 

[Animalcules]

Thank you so much for you comment, would you think that even with the visa difference ? it would be fair to choose UNC

This is bad advice. You clearly want an academic career. You would be insane to pass on the H1B. Both are good institutions. A waiver or 2 year home requirement will derail your academic career.

 

[rokshana]

This is bad advice. You clearly want an academic career. You would be insane to pass on the H1B. Both are good institutions. A waiver or 2 year home requirement will derail your academic career.

is there a reason that a waiver can’t be granted at an academic center?

 

[Hordeolum]

Posting on behalf of a friend:

“Prefer: research opportunities, more up-to-date technology, helping underserved immigrant patients, location in NYC or close by.

1. NYU Brooklyn

2. Zucker SOM-Northwell North Shore/LIJ

3. SUNY Downstate

4. Temple University

5. Rutgers NJMS

6. Zucker SOM-Northwell Staten Island University Hospital

7. Zucker SOM-Northwell Forest Hills

8. New York-Presbyterian/Queens

9. Icahn SOM Queens Hospital

10. Icahn SOM Elmhurst Hospital

11. Nazareth Hospital

 

[TCDOC]

I am having a difficulty deciding the rank order for the programs below. I would like to ideally receive the best training I can and live in a decent location. I hope to pursue either cardiology or GI fellowship and stay in academia in the future. I would sincerely appreciate any feedback or recommendations.

1. UTMB
2. University of Nebraska
3. Henry Ford
4. Houston Methodist

 

[whoknows2012]

Posting on behalf of a friend:

“Prefer: research opportunities, more up-to-date technology, helping underserved immigrant patients, location in NYC or close by.

1. NYU Brooklyn

2. Zucker SOM-Northwell North Shore/LIJ

3. SUNY Downstate

4. Temple University

5. Rutgers NJMS

6. Zucker SOM-Northwell Staten Island University Hospital

7. Zucker SOM-Northwell Forest Hills

8. New York-Presbyterian/Queens

9. Icahn SOM Queens Hospital

10. Icahn SOM Elmhurst Hospital

11. Nazareth Hospital

Why is NYU Brooklyn #1? Given interest in remaining in NY I would say north shore followed by downstate then NJMS then temple and then NYU Brooklyn

 

[Hordeolum]

Why is NYU Brooklyn #1? Given interest in remaining in NY I would say north shore followed by downstate then NJMS then temple and then NYU Brooklyn

Other than NYU Brooklyn being a relatively new program, why would the others be ranked more highly, given the access it provides to NYU resources/connections?

 

[studentdocftw]

Hey everyone, could I get some help with ranking BU vs Emory? I'm interested in Cards/GI but honestly not dead set on either. Any input would be appreciated.

Emory certainly is better known for cards/gi, but it isnt to the extent that I'd commit to Emory based off just that. Both programs will have great training in IM, the real question is do you want to live in the southeast or northeast? Now if all you want is the "better" program (however we quantify that) Emory is the choice IMO.