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The fact that major criminality has obviously occurred in broad daylight and nothing has been done about it yet by the government should tell you everything you need to know about this system we live in. These kinds of incidents will likely get worse and worse over the next 5 years.

Other than gross incompetence and massive douchebaggery, I am not sure that there has been anything criminal in the GME fiasco. It sounds like Robinhood has been limiting trading due to their own liability and compliance concerns.

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Other than gross incompetence and massive douchebaggery, I am not sure that there has been anything criminal in the GME fiasco. It sounds like Robinhood has been limiting trading due to their own liability and compliance concerns.
It's not incompetence. It's many billions of dollars at stake and Citadel owns robinhood. They (citadel and other HF's in collusion) are literally betting the fine for criminal market manipulation will be less than their losses if they allow this to continue. RH is now the scapegoat as well. As far as I know, nobody from the SEC has issued any kind of statement about restricting robinhood's trading allowances because they don't have enough capital for the volume or trades being made. It's a lie.
 
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All I want to know is where I can go to see the loss porn I used to love seeing on WSB. I’m hopeful I won’t be making any of my own with my super boring indexes, but I liked watching those guys.
Now that site is a dumpster fire.
 
It's not incompetence. It's many billions of dollars at stake and Citadel owns robinhood. They (citadel and other HF's in collusion) are literally betting the fine for criminal market manipulation will be less than their losses if they allow this to continue. RH is now the scapegoat as well. As far as I know, nobody from the SEC has issued any kind of statement about restricting robinhood's trading allowances because they don't have enough capital for the volume or trades being made. It's a lie.
It does look like there is a relationship between Citadel and Robinhood. ****em. Pitchforks and Torches.
 
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I love watching this. I have some (very small) skin in the game just to say I am part of it.

But it is a game of chicken. Let's see what happens.....
I also bought in a small stake after the bull RH pulled. I am ok losing the money. But i just want to stick it to them.

💎💎💎💎💎💎💎💎💎 🙌
 
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Point is - keep an eye on short interest. The problem is - how do you get up to date numbers on short interest?
AFAIK, the short interests only update twice per month.

The most reliable information has been from S3Parters.
 
I like to think I’m betting on my faith in humanity.
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I like to think I’m betting on my faith in humanity.
funny how you have any left after the pandemic last year.

I'm betting on market forces and human greed. Hedge fund managers are people too, they are more scared of losing their money than the rretards and autists are of losing theirs. WSB degeneracy is really what I'm betting on. And i think it's a good bet. (not financial advice, i just like the stock).
 
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I'm waiting for a Goku Spirit Bomb meme incoming. People from Europe and Asia are buying in like crazy to pump up the stock... hahahah I'm gonna remember this moment forever. LOL
 
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funny how you have any left after the pandemic last year.

I'm betting on market forces and human greed. Hedge fund managers are people too, they are more scared of losing their money than the rretards and autists are of losing theirs. WSB degeneracy is really what I'm betting on. And i think it's a good bet. (not financial advice, i just like the stock).
I have more faith in humanity at large than in the American healthcare system haha.
 
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Everyone hates Wall Street . I wonder if that’s sinking in for them finally
 
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I think Robinhood is in serious trouble and likely near insolvency. They’re drawing down credit lines and restricting trading in other unrelated stocks as well, such as AMD and Starbucks.





It’ll be fun watching the chaos when the shorts finally cover their positions. I’m reading multiple hedge funds already in double digit percentage losses this year.
 
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It’ll be fun watching the chaos when the shorts finally cover their positions. I’m reading multiple hedge funds already in double digit percentage losses this year.

Burry deleted all his tweets.. lol
 
For the posters and naysayers that believe the SEC will shut down the "manipulation" and "schemes" by the retail investors and r/WallStreetBets might be doing:



 
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any suggestions on where to move portfolio now that robinhood is a sellout punq? I have a vanguard account but I hate using the app its mildly confusing and moderately annoying.
 
Diamond hand and rocket ship to the moon!!! I want my $69420/share!!!


I got in very very late with virtually no skin in the game. Maybe I will get money for some popcorn on the sidelines......
 
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any suggestions on where to move portfolio now that robinhood is a sellout punq? I have a vanguard account but I hate using the app its mildly confusing and moderately annoying.
Just leave it in RH.

I was furious at them too - but then I heard the CEO of Investment Brokers, and the CEO of another broker (Anesthetic posted the video link - it was really good), explain their reasoning. It doesn't seem as nefarious as it did to me on Thursday (at least not by the brokers).

If anyone is at fault, it is the clearing house DTC. They are the ones that decided out of the blue to require brokers to have 100% capital.
 
They can prevent you from trading at any time. Are they allowed to prevent the trading of individual stocks? Not only that... they prevented the buy side of individual stocks but not the sell side. They imposed the restrictions without warning, and the RH CEO poorly explained the reasoning behind their decision on multiple news outlets and essentially took no responsibility for tanking the stock price with that move. It may not be market manipulation per se, but it was poorly planned and very badly timed (or very well-timed depending on your position) in the midst of another price breakout. The optics were very, very bad, especially with their financial ties to Citadel.




Now that the Webull CEO explained (very well) what actually happened, it makes a bit more sense. Essentially, the central clearing house of most brokerage firms (DTC) raised the margin requirements of certain stocks to 100% overnight, which significantly raised the capital requirements of multiple brokers to front the cost of the trades until settlement (T+2). Most brokers simply did not have the capital to meet those requirements, especially with such short notice, so they restricted trading on those stocks.

If you want to dive deeper, we should ask why the DTC was allowed to increase those margin requirements to 100% so suddenly without any advanced notice to the brokerage firms or to investors? Technically, the DTC is within their legal rights to raise their margin requirements, but guess who writes those rules? They do. Guess what happens when you raise margin requirements to 100% and force brokerage firms to cover 100% of the capital for two days? You force brokerage firms to halt trading on certain stocks because it's simply impossible for most brokerages to have that kind of cash on hand. Guess what happens to the stock price of certain securities if you restrict buying and allow selling only? Yep. You kill the momentum and prevent the squeeze to be squoze.

I wonder who runs the DTC. You tell me.

Thank you for posting this video.

This was SOO interesting and good for me to hear.

Here is what I would have asked. If the clearing houses require 100% capital, they don't need to be there. The whole point of the clearing house, was to allow some amount of margin on the transaction. If the broker has 100% of the capital, they can just pass that on to the other end of the trade and leave the middle man out.

If I were the CEO of one of those companies, I would have been very clear with my customer base about what was going on - and NOT limit trading, but say "if you buy or sell these certain stocks, that money will not be available for 2 days until the trade clears. If you, as the customer have a problem with that (and you should), give DTC a call and complain to them. They are the ones forcing our hand. HeRe is the phone number. "
 
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I wouldn't mind a market meltdown.

I'm mostly in cash now anyway, and I have no idea why hedge funds can be 30X leveraged. And so many are - and it is screwing with the whole thing.

I just can't believe that. A meteoric rise in ONE stock that was heavily shorted, caused the market to drop significantly two days. That is what large leverage positions do. And it seems very dangerous.
 
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I wouldn't mind a market meltdown.

I'm mostly in cash now anyway, and I have no idea why hedge funds can be 30X leveraged. And so many are - and it is screwing with the whole thing.

I just can't believe that. A meteoric rise in ONE stock that was heavily shorted, caused the market to drop significantly two days. That is what large leverage positions do. And it seems very dangerous.
Nah, a lot of people will lose their retirement if the market does crash. Companies can go bankrupt and people lose their jobs. You will suffer a bit too due to less PPO.
 
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Nah, a lot of people will lose their retirement if the market does crash. Companies can go bankrupt and people lose their jobs. You will suffer a bit too due to less PPO.

Estimated there are 70 million shares shorted of $GME, which even if the hedge funds buy it back at average cost of $1000/share equates to $70 billion. This will surely bankrupt some of these wall street big wigs, and the overall market might take a bit of a dip but this is a far cry from what happened in 2008 or march 2020. Retail investors will buy back the market's quality stocks. Let these wall street big wigs burn.
 
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I have a question regarding the social media aspect. My understanding is that WSB is an anonymous subReddit open to anyone to chat about the market. Some posters may be off-duty financial professionals, and others are doctors, lawyers, plumbers, etc. So, was the analysis of Melvin's shorting of GME based on open source information? Is the data public data? Or did it have to come from an insider? If this is open source info, then people should be free to spend time and energy discussing it, without ANY fear of being charged with collusion or manipulation of the markets. If it was from leaked info, that is a whole other story. But, my understanding is that this is public data. Am I wrong?

You are correct, it’s largely public information. Hedge funds and other financial institutions are required to file quarterly 13F statements to the SEC detailing their assets under management. A lot of people will use these filings to mimic hedge fund holdings or for other purposes.

In addition, something that has become more common these days, certain hedge fund managers will just come out and publicly declare their position in order to move the stock. Citron was notorious for this when shorting a stock — I’m still salty from their public hit job on Shopify a few years ago, so watching them get scorched on GME has been so satisfying.
 
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I have a question regarding the social media aspect. My understanding is that WSB is an anonymous subReddit open to anyone to chat about the market. Some posters may be off-duty financial professionals, and others are doctors, lawyers, plumbers, etc. So, was the analysis of Melvin's shorting of GME based on open source information? Is the data public data? Or did it have to come from an insider? If this is open source info, then people should be free to spend time and energy discussing it, without ANY fear of being charged with collusion or manipulation of the markets. If it was from leaked info, that is a whole other story. But, my understanding is that this is public data. Am I wrong?

I don't see how open discussion of open source info can be considered a crime. I also don't see how the action of multiple random anonymous people can be deemed manipulation. The market functions every day under a system of manipulation if mere talk of stocks and forecasting by talking heads is considered interference. The social media platforms should be protected from liability by Section 230. Yet, we've seen WSB and FB discussion groups temporarily shut down before reopening. Seems like the little guys have really spooked the fat cats.

If this goes on much longer, and real pain is being felt by the HFs, don't be surprised to see a smear campaign orchestrated against these WSB-type forums. When they cannot legitimately complain that something illegal is being done by the retailers, they will use other attacks. They will throw every single negative stereotype at them, to try to scare some away. I wouldn't be shocked if they claim racism and hate speech on these sites warrants their closing down. They don't want you to be able to talk to one another, because together you are stronger and a real force to be reckoned with.

Yes it is public information. Nothing wrong with sharing public information and investment strategy on an open forum. Hedge funds have been doing this for decades behind closed doors, throwing their weight of billions of dollars and even more leveraged billions.
 
Nah, a lot of people will lose their retirement if the market does crash. Companies can go bankrupt and people lose their jobs. You will suffer a bit too due to less PPO.
If people think the market with this broken economy is going to return a favorable outcome over the next 5-10 years, then they are seriously dumb dumb dumb. Maybe they deserve to loose their money.
The market is coming down hard soon. When that is, who can say. Maybe it is in two years. Maybe gamestop will bring it to a crash in 3 weeks.

People with significant amount of money in the market are in for some serious pain.

The last time the feds tries to unwind even just a little, the market had a tissy—fit. And they have so much more they need to unwind now. That has to happen at some point.
 


this sounds quite convincing and would explain the desperate measures wall street was doing last week

This is a little QAnon-ish (the part about something being done that is illegal and everyone is in on it and they are now trying to cover it up).

I posted earlier how shares can be short more than 100%, and when someone shorts shares, that allows for more than one person to own shares. It’s strange but it makes sense if you try and follow the math. I mean the numbers make sense - it doesn’t make sense from an overall view.

Now what is certainly true is that the whole thing could blow up the market and people are trying to stop that. I say let it blow. Hedge funds should not be that short with leverage. That is so stupid of them. Let them pay a price, a steep price. And let those that allow it pay a steep price.
 
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Eh, I read that post earlier, and I think the explanation is much simpler than that (although I could be wrong). It would take a monumental effort and many really ill-intentioned institutions to short a single company into oblivion. There would simply be too many moving parts and too much at risk for the DTC and other clearing houses to be involved in the attempted destruction of a single entity.

Occam's razor: DTC and other clearing houses deemed GME/AMC to be too risky --> increased the collateral requirements to 100% --> most brokers couldn't cover that amount with such short notice --> restricted trading/margin on those stocks. This explains why multiple, separate brokers had the same issue and needed to restrict the same stocks.

RH just had a really bad PR team and were not as upfront as other companies like Webull or TradeZero. They bankrupted themselves.

My crazy prediction: RH goes bankrupt and gets bought out by either Fidelity or Vanguard, as both companies have solid trading platforms and a huge cap, but their trading apps are absolutely outdated, horribly inefficient, and looks like boomer trash. If they buy out RH, they can instantly capitalize on the superior UI of RH and instantly retain all of the millennial RH users as well. Very little downside risk for them and all of the upside.
IMO I think RH interface is also trash. Fidelity and Vanguard should use thinkorswim as a model and have an option for a simplified interface for boomers.
 
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IMO I think RH interface is also trash. Fidelity and Vanguard should use thinkorswim as a model and have an option for a simplified interface for boomers.
My suggestion for us Boomers:
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“Boomer Trash” is the best description I have ever heard for Vanguards app interface...I would much rather have my money on Vanguards watch than RH.
 
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“Boomer Trash” is the best description I have ever heard for Vanguards app interface...I would much rather have my money on Vanguards watch than RH.
Vanguard is “fine” for typical buy and hold investing. It’s geared for bogleheads so it is not and never was made for trading. That’s also part of the reason they were one of the last to get rid of commissions....no need to complain about a 7 dollar commission when your “trading” history is rebalancing 3 dividend stocks and 2 ETFs per year.
 
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IMO I think RH interface is also trash. Fidelity and Vanguard should use thinkorswim as a model and have an option for a simplified interface for boomers.
TOS does have a simplified version. It’s called TDAMERITRADE and is much easier to do simple transactions on than TOS. And it’s much better than RH. RH is not easy I don’t think.

TOS is the best for complex options like a double calander or iron condor. But for simple stuff like buying and selling a stock, or even just a single call, the TDAMERITRADE app seems the best.

I have ever used the E-trade app. Maybe that is good too.
 
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