CPJE board exam breached?

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Ah, Flynn's notes. Every graduate from Florida to Washington had a copy of that thing.
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The sad thing is this girl was probably smart enough to pass the exam on her own. Why would you throw away your career to cheat to help someone else out?
 
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I’m really curious what her civil liability will be. I think scorned test takers are well within their rights to sue.

Good luck collecting, unless she has substantial assets, she’ll be unemployable. She can probably work at Goodwill, at least that’s a non-profit.


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confettiflyer said:
I’m really curious what her civil liability will be. I think scorned test takers are well within their rights to sue.

Good luck collecting, unless she has substantial assets, she’ll be unemployable. She can probably work at Goodwill, at least that’s a non-profit.


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There are ways to protect your assets like put money in your 401 k. She is unemployable and I am sure the board will sue her even if she can’t pay for it.
 
steveysmith54 said:
Can someone provide us with the link to the story?
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I don’t believe in kicking someone when she is already down.

There is really no story. She got accused of cheating. No details. She will have to go before the court and defend herself. But, it sounds like the board is after a group of students not just her.
 
You mean as opposed to those license applicants whom she and whoever else was involved ****ed over? I'm sure they all have a story.
 
Sine Cura said:
You mean as opposed to those license applicants whom she and whoever else was involved ****ed over? I'm sure they all have a story.
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No story as in no details of what happened. She will have to defend herself in court. That is when the details will come out.
 
Rockinacoustic said:
The BOP's response is akin to the power company shutting off electricity to prevent wildfires. Oh wait...
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lol but there’s precedence...the exam has been breached multiple times before. I think lord999 detailed that in a post above. None of us were surprised when CA BOP invalidated the scores.


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No story as in no details of what happened. She will have to defend herself in court. That is when the details will come out.
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Do you know if the proceedings are public? I know the actions are, but beyond that I think cases are appealed to an administrative law judge, and not actual open court (like traditional court)

Maybe lord999 can weigh in, or someone else. I always see board actions but never the defense used.

Not sure if I have to request those in writing.


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steveysmith54 said:
Can someone provide us with the link to the story?
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I have qualms posting her actual name and residency program here, but the accusation sticks out like a sore thumb on the BOP website AND corroborates with the date BOP came out and halted CPJE.


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From Reddit:
“Update - I practice in CA and work with someone who knows this person, and she is actually most likely innocent. Turns out she was writing down some acronyms to jog her memory on her scratch paper during the exam, and the proctor suspected it was cheating, but she didn’t have anything on her and didn’t try to leave with her paper. Her residency program believes she is innocent as well, and she has a lawyer to fight this. Apparently the actual exam breach is a related to a different person or group of people.
Just trying to spread this knowledge so her life isn’t ruined forever!”
 
asiankid said:
From Reddit:
“Update - I practice in CA and work with someone who knows this person, and she is actually most likely innocent. Turns out she was writing down some acronyms to jog her memory on her scratch paper during the exam, and the proctor suspected it was cheating, but she didn’t have anything on her and didn’t try to leave with her paper. Her residency program believes she is innocent as well, and she has a lawyer to fight this. Apparently the actual exam breach is a related to a different person or group of people.
Just trying to spread this knowledge so her life isn’t ruined forever!”
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Not sure how a proctor would interpret this as cheating. They would have to be the dumbest proctor ever...they give you scratch paper or a white board for this express purpose. And all you would have to do is look at the paper to see that it’s acronyms. I did the same exact thing during BCPS.
 
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From Reddit:
“Update - I practice in CA and work with someone who knows this person, and she is actually most likely innocent. Turns out she was writing down some acronyms to jog her memory on her scratch paper during the exam, and the proctor suspected it was cheating, but she didn’t have anything on her and didn’t try to leave with her paper. Her residency program believes she is innocent as well, and she has a lawyer to fight this. Apparently the actual exam breach is a related to a different person or group of people.
Just trying to spread this knowledge so her life isn’t ruined forever!”
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That's BS if true, in that case everyone who uses scratch paper is "cheating".
 
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asiankid said:
From Reddit:
“Update - I practice in CA and work with someone who knows this person, and she is actually most likely innocent. Turns out she was writing down some acronyms to jog her memory on her scratch paper during the exam, and the proctor suspected it was cheating, but she didn’t have anything on her and didn’t try to leave with her paper. Her residency program believes she is innocent as well, and she has a lawyer to fight this. Apparently the actual exam breach is a related to a different person or group of people.
Just trying to spread this knowledge so her life isn’t ruined forever!”
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Ah this is intriguing.

So the rumors about an elaborate scheme involving Google glass isn’t true? Or maybe it is, just a different person.


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confettiflyer said:
Do you know if the proceedings are public? I know the actions are, but beyond that I think cases are appealed to an administrative law judge, and not actual open court (like traditional court)

Maybe lord999 can weigh in, or someone else. I always see board actions but never the defense used.

Not sure if I have to request those in writing.


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No, executive session in CA (not to protect the rights of the accused, the Board has an egregious tendency to mistrial from the past), and like the last couple of times, the defense will post, although the earlier UCSF case, I think you knew why there was no testimony needed. The order is the only artifact although there are circumstances where it would be public.

Saying something about the Prometric proctor, they are obligated to not let you take out paper or artifacts. But they are not supposed to judge your use of it even if it's suspicious like AABDDE. You were taught in my era (and at present) that if you didn't remember some stuff that you immediately jotted it down before Question 1. Had to do that with SAMPLE in First Aid, the half life order of benzos, the HIV exceptions at the time, and a couple of the PK equations (which ironically I still have all of that memorized today). Either that Reddit poster is a liar who didn't remember procedure or Prometric is going to face massive liability from one or more parties. But it can't be that simple, a Board member or the Executive Director or Inspector is required to immediately adjudicate these irregularities at the exam session before the candidate exits the testing center (yes, that one of the actual functions of the Board and why ATT schedules must be done during their office hours). That's why I should be skeptical, because even the stupidest proctor needs an additional mistake from the CA Board. I can't believe it's just a proctor error.
 
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asiankid said:
From Reddit:
“Update - I practice in CA and work with someone who knows this person, and she is actually most likely innocent. Turns out she was writing down some acronyms to jog her memory on her scratch paper during the exam, and the proctor suspected it was cheating, but she didn’t have anything on her and didn’t try to leave with her paper. Her residency program believes she is innocent as well, and she has a lawyer to fight this. Apparently the actual exam breach is a related to a different person or group of people.
Just trying to spread this knowledge so her life isn’t ruined forever!”
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This seems like a dubious explanation.
 
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I have heard (from some sympathetic voices) that she is actually getting death threats and is scared to leave her apt.
The Board of Pharmacy website has all the info they will disclose, which isn't much (but it does mention ONE name.)
It's hard to believe that it was just ONE person who was innocent and taking notes that would shut this whole testing cycle down.
They've cancelled the exam scores for that group and giving them a limited window to take it again at no charge.
 
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No, executive session in CA (not to protect the rights of the accused, the Board has an egregious tendency to mistrial from the past), and like the last couple of times, the defense will post, although the earlier UCSF case, I think you knew why there was no testimony needed. The order is the only artifact although there are circumstances where it would be public.

Saying something about the Prometric proctor, they are obligated to not let you take out paper or artifacts. But they are not supposed to judge your use of it even if it's suspicious like AABDDE. You were taught in my era (and at present) that if you didn't remember some stuff that you immediately jotted it down before Question 1. Had to do that with SAMPLE in First Aid, the half life order of benzos, the HIV exceptions at the time, and a couple of the PK equations (which ironically I still have all of that memorized today). Either that Reddit poster is a liar who didn't remember procedure or Prometric is going to face massive liability from one or more parties. But it can't be that simple, a Board member or the Executive Director or Inspector is required to immediately adjudicate these irregularities at the exam session before the candidate exits the testing center (yes, that one of the actual functions of the Board and why ATT schedules must be done during their office hours). That's why I should be skeptical, because even the stupidest proctor needs an additional mistake from the CA Board. I can't believe it's just a proctor error.
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Yeah this is starting to not make sense. Thanks for the details.


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There is always the option to get licensed out of california
 
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The graduates who lost their jobs should start protesting outside the BOP office. Make them look you in the face and realize what their incompetence and laziness has done.
 
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Pharmacy students speak out after test results are invalidated

More than a thousand people are now frustrated-- and outraged-- after the California State Board of Pharmacy chose to rule a key exam invalid, following a cheating scandal. "I worked hard for this exam. It's unfair for me not to know my result," says Dema Askar, one of 1,400 people impacted by...
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I heard there is supposedly a strike going down at CSHP Seminar this week. Anyone know about this?
 
Does the public care whether these new graduates are making 6k a month as a grad intern vs 12k a month as a pharmacist. Also some grad interns at places like kaiser make as much as pharmacist in other states
 
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14000/month?
thats like 87/hr? 40 hr/week, for 4 weeks.
Doubt majority of pharmacist don't get near that.
 
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All the test takes have two days to take the exam?! Are the testing centers not going to be filled to the brim? Do they even have capacity for that kind of volume?

I guess a two day time frame will make it hard for people to share questions with each other. Although I am willing to bet not many of them will this time around.
 
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All the test takes have two days to take the exam?! Are the testing centers not going to be filled to the brim? Do they even have capacity for that kind of volume?

I guess a two day time frame will make it hard for people to share questions with each other. Although I am willing to bet not many of them will this time around.
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I have a feeling that there is enough disgruntlement even from NACDS that there's going to be a full audit of the Board at this point due to lobbyist pressure in Sacramento. I do expect some housecleaning to occur. The irregularity meeting is going to be convened as if it requires physical presence to take the MPJE or there are not sufficient spots, then there's actually major consequences to the state as they will have to be accountable to Thomson as well as NABP over the matter. I expect full revocations on licenses over the matter, and I expect that the CA Board will be placed in receivership administrative oversight by the state. And when they do name the people involved and considering the matter, I sincerely hope that they will never be considered for any position of trust again.

It should be obvious to Sacramento that the Board has utterly failed in its charge to maintain exam integrity which is at least the third time in 15 years. I hope that this authority is taken away from the Board and centralized at this rate. There should be zero trust in this bureaucracy's ability to function effectively, and it should be brought under a different authority for administration if not dissolved and reconstituted by statute.
 
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Well all of you at the BoP had a good run. No doubt this is heading to be a political matter and since all of you are appointed by the Governor and he most certainly doesn't want to use his political capital for this so I'm sure his advisors are telling him to clean house and distance himself from any controversy.

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All the test takes have two days to take the exam?! Are the testing centers not going to be filled to the brim? Do they even have capacity for that kind of volume?

I guess a two day time frame will make it hard for people to share questions with each other. Although I am willing to bet not many of them will this time around.
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As of right not, only 11/16 is open to retake. 11/17 lands on a Sunday which are when PSI centers are closed. All the centers in CA are filled and people have to fly out or drive to another state to take the exam. Texas is one of the states that has spots left currently. I don’t know how they except to have spots for 1,400 people for one day.
 
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Well all of you at the BoP had a good run. No doubt this is heading to be a political matter and since all of you are appointed by the Governor and he most certainly doesn't want to use his political capital for this so I'm sure his advisors are telling him to clean house and distance himself from any controversy.

Meet the new faculty coming to a startup pharmacy near you.
Gregory N. Lippe
Allen Schaad
Ryan Brooks
Lavanza “Kercheryl” Butler
Shirley B. Kim
Valerie Muñoz
Ricardo Sanchez
Maria D. Serpa
Deborah Veale
Albert C. M. Wong
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Albert already owns a pharmacy
 
WVUPharm2007 said:
In San Francisco? After adjusting for cost of living, what is that, like, $40k?
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Yeah, but the trick is every 10-15 miles East will double your effective buying power.

If you’re willing to commute from the Central Valley area, you can still find a new house for under $400k (compared to $1.5M in the city).

Most pharmacists are working 4 x 10hrs/week around here. I don’t know any that are permanently living inside SF proper.


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14000/month?
thats like 87/hr? 40 hr/week, for 4 weeks.
Doubt majority of pharmacist don't get near that.
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This is average for the area, I’d say. Probably not starting rates, but after 2-4 this is reasonable.

Southern California is different, but some of my specialist colleagues inpatient are earning this.


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I think this is the same as the link posted, but it has a ton of transcribed stuff if you don’t want to watch a video.


kmph.com

Pharmacy students speak out after test results are invalidated

More than a thousand people are now frustrated-- and outraged-- after the California State Board of Pharmacy chose to rule a key exam invalid, following a cheating scandal. "I worked hard for this exam. It's unfair for me not to know my result," says Dema Askar, one of 1,400 people impacted by...
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I stopped at $350k loan and “this is my third time taking it” o_O


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14000/month?
thats like 87/hr? 40 hr/week, for 4 weeks.
Doubt majority of pharmacist don't get near that.
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Great now even more ignorant people will flock to become pharmacy students.
 
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