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INOVA is taking "see one, do one, teach one" to a new level.
It's baaaack... Important component of any unaccredited proton fellowship:

To cover the clinic, simulation and treatment patients as Doctor of the Day (DOD) on a weekly basis as per the Program Director.

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Ugh. Dismal.

Aside from the fact that this is a ridiculous fellowship, how do they get off pretending that they can teach new grads something, probably many who know as much as they do.
 
Ugh. Dismal.

Aside from the fact that this is a ridiculous fellowship, how do they get off pretending that they can teach new grads something, probably many who know as much as they do.
It's not about "teaching" them anything. It's about getting physician RO coverage at a 5 figure labor cost instead of six. At least they are honest about it in the job description
 
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Ugh. Dismal.

Aside from the fact that this is a ridiculous fellowship, how do they get off pretending that they can teach new grads something, probably many who know as much as they do.

Honestly, "babysitting protons at night" used to be a known employment path for US grads. I have a friend who did that at IU for some years.
 
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The Stanford Radiation Oncology Fellowship is designed to develop professional competence in the overall care of patients undergoing radiotherapy and to enhance technical skills in a variety of clinical areas depending on the candidate’s clinical interests. Available opportunities include: image guided radiotherapy (IRGT), volumetric arc therapy (VMAT/RapidArc), stereotactic body radiotherapy (SBRT), stereotactic radiosurgery (SRS) with cyberknife (CK), intraoperative radiotherapy (IORT) and brachytherapy (High Dose Rate). Exciting new additions coming online in 2021 include an MRI Linac (MRIdian) and the first of its kind PET-Linac (Reflexion). Specific clinical disease sites include: GYN, Breast, Lung, GI, GU, CNS, Lymphoma, Head and Neck, Sarcoma and Pediatrics.

Applicants must be a graduating resident from an ACGME-accredited residency in Radiation Oncology and must be able to obtain medical licensure in California by the start date. This one-year program will start July 1, 2021, however the start date is negotiable. Applicants from the United States are expected to be board-eligible in radiation oncology at the time they begin the program. Canadian graduates are expected to have passed their qualifying exams from the Royal College. Exceptional international applicants who have completed a radiation oncology residency will be considered if they are able to obtain a valid California medical license.

This is not for international grads or for a particular skillset.. Why blast SUNY Upstate or Mayo Scottsdale when Stanford is pulling this ****? This is purely abuse of a bad labor market. Stanford on blast.
 
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The Stanford Radiation Oncology Fellowship is designed to develop professional competence in the overall care of patients undergoing radiotherapy and to enhance technical skills in a variety of clinical areas depending on the candidate’s clinical interests.
I thought this was also known as a residency in radiation oncology.
 
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The Stanford Radiation Oncology Fellowship is designed to develop professional competence in the overall care of patients undergoing radiotherapy and to enhance technical skills in a variety of clinical areas depending on the candidate’s clinical interests. Available opportunities include: image guided radiotherapy (IRGT), volumetric arc therapy (VMAT/RapidArc), stereotactic body radiotherapy (SBRT), stereotactic radiosurgery (SRS) with cyberknife (CK), intraoperative radiotherapy (IORT) and brachytherapy (High Dose Rate). Exciting new additions coming online in 2021 include an MRI Linac (MRIdian) and the first of its kind PET-Linac (Reflexion). Specific clinical disease sites include: GYN, Breast, Lung, GI, GU, CNS, Lymphoma, Head and Neck, Sarcoma and Pediatrics.

Applicants must be a graduating resident from an ACGME-accredited residency in Radiation Oncology and must be able to obtain medical licensure in California by the start date. This one-year program will start July 1, 2021, however the start date is negotiable. Applicants from the United States are expected to be board-eligible in radiation oncology at the time they begin the program. Canadian graduates are expected to have passed their qualifying exams from the Royal College. Exceptional international applicants who have completed a radiation oncology residency will be considered if they are able to obtain a valid California medical license.

This is not for international grads or for a particular skillset.. Why blast SUNY Upstate or Mayo Scottsdale when Stanford is pulling this ****? This is purely abuse of a bad labor market. Stanford on blast.
Stanford has been lambasted here plenty for their "fellowships"/"junior clinical instructor" or whatever they are currently calling the poor sap who has to in the Bay area for 1-2 years while making 100k or less. It's gross. The only reason it exists is because it works. Which is sad.
 
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I thought this was also known as a residency in radiation oncology.
True but this time you get to dictate notes and do contours for a whole new set of attendings.
 
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Stanford has been lambasted here plenty for their "fellowships"/"junior clinical instructor" or whatever they are currently calling the poor sap who has to in the Bay area for 1-2 years while making 100k or less. It's gross. The only reason it exists is because it works. Which is sad.
SHUT THEM DOWN! SHUT THEM DOWN!
 
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Stanford has been lambasted here plenty for their "fellowships"/"junior clinical instructor" or whatever they are currently calling the poor sap who has to in the Bay area for 1-2 years while making 100k or less. It's gross. The only reason it exists is because it works. Which is sad.

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The Stanford Radiation Oncology Fellowship is designed to develop professional competence in the overall care of patients undergoing radiotherapy and to enhance technical skills in a variety of clinical areas depending on the candidate’s clinical interests. Available opportunities include: image guided radiotherapy (IRGT), volumetric arc therapy (VMAT/RapidArc), stereotactic body radiotherapy (SBRT), stereotactic radiosurgery (SRS) with cyberknife (CK), intraoperative radiotherapy (IORT) and brachytherapy (High Dose Rate). Exciting new additions coming online in 2021 include an MRI Linac (MRIdian) and the first of its kind PET-Linac (Reflexion). Specific clinical disease sites include: GYN, Breast, Lung, GI, GU, CNS, Lymphoma, Head and Neck, Sarcoma and Pediatrics.

Applicants must be a graduating resident from an ACGME-accredited residency in Radiation Oncology and must be able to obtain medical licensure in California by the start date. This one-year program will start July 1, 2021, however the start date is negotiable. Applicants from the United States are expected to be board-eligible in radiation oncology at the time they begin the program. Canadian graduates are expected to have passed their qualifying exams from the Royal College. Exceptional international applicants who have completed a radiation oncology residency will be considered if they are able to obtain a valid California medical license.

This is not for international grads or for a particular skillset.. Why blast SUNY Upstate or Mayo Scottsdale when Stanford is pulling this ****? This is purely abuse of a bad labor market. Stanford on blast.
Stanford been offering suspect fellowships and jr faculty jobs forever. Probably as long as Mayo training programs have been needlessly metastatizing to their satellites
 
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True but this time you get to dictate notes and do contours for a whole new set of attendings.
Who may have trained with you at the same time. You can study for boards together- after you finish their dictations and contours of course.
 
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OSU, a solidly midtier Midwest training program, has 3 different unaccredited fellowships now...

Brazen imo in 2021

wish one of troll twitter accts would tweet at the chair "Why does our specialty's journal say 'quit calling fellowships fellowships' but every program, including OSU, still does?"
 
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wish one of troll twitter accts would tweet at the chair "Why does our specialty's journal say 'quit calling fellowships fellowships' but every program, including OSU, still does?"

Nevermind, Looks like all gainfully employed cogs in the academic world.
 
The Stanford Radiation Oncology Fellowship is designed to develop professional competence in the overall care of patients undergoing radiotherapy and to enhance technical skills in a variety of clinical areas depending on the candidate’s clinical interests. Available opportunities include: image guided radiotherapy (IRGT), volumetric arc therapy (VMAT/RapidArc), stereotactic body radiotherapy (SBRT), stereotactic radiosurgery (SRS) with cyberknife (CK), intraoperative radiotherapy (IORT) and brachytherapy (High Dose Rate). Exciting new additions coming online in 2021 include an MRI Linac (MRIdian) and the first of its kind PET-Linac (Reflexion). Specific clinical disease sites include: GYN, Breast, Lung, GI, GU, CNS, Lymphoma, Head and Neck, Sarcoma and Pediatrics.

Applicants must be a graduating resident from an ACGME-accredited residency in Radiation Oncology and must be able to obtain medical licensure in California by the start date. This one-year program will start July 1, 2021, however the start date is negotiable. Applicants from the United States are expected to be board-eligible in radiation oncology at the time they begin the program. Canadian graduates are expected to have passed their qualifying exams from the Royal College. Exceptional international applicants who have completed a radiation oncology residency will be considered if they are able to obtain a valid California medical license.

This is not for international grads or for a particular skillset.. Why blast SUNY Upstate or Mayo Scottsdale when Stanford is pulling this ****? This is purely abuse of a bad labor market. Stanford on blast.
When they can't fill the fellowship:

"This is a mentored junior attending position for up to two years that would be valuable for a future faculty or clinical program leader position."

 
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When they can't fill the fellowship:

"This is a mentored junior attending position for up to two years that would be valuable for a future faculty or clinical program leader position."

Pay is <$100k too, which means you're getting a roommate for your Palo Alto studio apartment!
 
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I don't know how even faculty there do it. Cheapest 3 BR condo/house in Palo Alto I can see on Zillow today is 1.95 million (1,501 sq ft, so that's a small 3BR). Surrounding towns aren't a whole lot better. I don't think they pay particularly well either.
 
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I don't know how even faculty there do it. Cheapest 3 BR condo/house in Palo Alto I can see on Zillow today is 1.95 million (1,501 sq ft, so that's a small 3BR). Surrounding towns aren't a whole lot better. I don't think they pay particularly well either.
senior faculty got in when it was cheap and probably owns several houses....must be terrible for junior faculties
 
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I don't know how even faculty there do it. Cheapest 3 BR condo/house in Palo Alto I can see on Zillow today is 1.95 million (1,501 sq ft, so that's a small 3BR). Surrounding towns aren't a whole lot better. I don't think they pay particularly well either.
I have family member that's on Stanford faculty in another department. As a fellow, he got $600 housing stipend. As faculty, he gets a $800k interest-free "loan" to help with down payment and lower mortgage, because I believe he doesn't need make monthly payments on it. I don't know all the details, but there are some strings attached and not sure if it's all departments or just his. Perhaps they make some money back if the house appreciates and sells? Overall it sounded like a good deal.
 
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What is the state and city tax in California- thought it was something like 13%. Also, seems to be a lot of attacks on Asians who walk around sf or Oakland.
 
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Sadly, I am absolutely certain the pay for this particular position is less than $100k.

But hey, Palo Alto!
Pgy 5-6 pay is kissing six figures there already which is still not enough imo for that HCOL.

Would think that's fellowship range pay but who knows
 
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Sadly, I am absolutely certain the pay for this particular position is less than $100k.

But hey, Palo Alto!
I’m not in the know for details, but looking at PGY salaries across Stanford, I find this very hard to believe. They approach $100k (including $7000ish tax free housing stipend). Any non rumor based evidence of this?
 
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I’m not in the know for details, but looking at PGY salaries across Stanford, I find this very hard to believe. They approach $100k (including $7000ish tax free housing stipend). Any non rumor based evidence of this?
Admittedly, my knowledge isn't from a signed document on Stanford stationary. I was told a number from what I consider a reputable (non-SDN, real life) source, but would it hold up in a court of law? No. To specify, the salary I was told is less than $100k, but with other benefits I assume it's better than that (health insurance alone would put the total package around at least $130k).

Is it potentially negotiable? Maybe. Is it also interesting that there's no mention of guaranteed faculty position afterwards? Yes.
 
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Not a bad way to spend a year if you can’t find your ideal job ..
 
The Canadians have come up with an interesting specialty rad onc fellowship..... Specializing in @$$

Could become famous... Get Ass Man license plate etc


Canada is quite possibly the worst place to be a specialist of any kind. They purposely over train so that have a pool of underpaid academic shills.
 
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Canada is quite possibly the worst place to be a specialist of any kind. They purposely over train so that have a pool of underpaid academic shills.
Oh yeah... Shamelessly useless fellowship if you're going to be a clinical practitioner but would make for interesting cocktail party talk when people ask what you specialize in
 
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The Canadians have come up with an interesting specialty rad onc fellowship..... Specializing in @$$

Could become famous... Get Ass Man license plate etc

2nd only to Ohio state head and neck iort fellowship. Radonc is one drug away from extinction in lower gi cancer.
 
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2nd only to Ohio state head and neck iort fellowship. Radonc is one drug away from extinction in lower gi cancer.

No drug is going to replace nigro or an APR.
There are only about 10 new cases of irradiatable anorectal cancer per rad onc per year. (Just over one new anal cancer per year per rad onc). Getting out of the rad onc business in anorectal won’t be a huge loss for us. Could really ding the Lower GI rad onc fellowships obviously…
 
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There are only about 10 new cases of irradiatable anorectal cancer per rad onc per year. (Just over one new anal cancer per year per rad onc). Getting out of the rad onc business in anorectal won’t be a huge loss for us. Could really ding the Lower GI rad onc fellowships obviously…
I definitely see a few a year at least.... Heck I've got 2 under beam right now.

Should have been an AssMan fellowship instructor...
 
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There are only about 10 new cases of irradiatable anorectal cancer per rad onc per year. (Just over one new anal cancer per year per rad onc). Getting out of the rad onc business in anorectal won’t be a huge loss for us. Could really ding the Lower GI rad onc fellowships obviously…
This math eerily works out in my practice - we have approximately 1 anorectal case on beam per doc right now...which, if that holds true for most of the year, would work out to 10 cases per RadOnc per year.

But no, your math can't possibly be correct here, because then your math might be correct in your other posts, which might mean we're training too many Radiation Oncologists. Blasphemy! Burn the witch.
 
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No drug is going to replace nigro or an APR.
True, but nigro will be replaced by a vaccine. Only a small percentage of rectal cases require apr. In the setting of a proper tme, the absolute benefit of xrt is quite small- I would guess around 5% vs folfox alone? Aren’t we waiting a trial on this?
Edit- Actually 5% is probably an over estimate.
In Dutch tme trial, the absolute benefit was 5% and control arm did not use folfox. Hence, xrt is vulnerable to be eliminated by a future drug that adds a 3-4% benefit in local control? (Assuming folfox hasn’t done this already)
 
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I definitely see a few a year at least.... Heck I've got 2 under beam right now.

Should have been an AssMan fellowship instructor...

This math eerily works out in my practice - we have approximately 1 anorectal case on beam per doc right now...which, if that holds true for most of the year, would work out to 10 cases per RadOnc per year.

But no, your math can't possibly be correct here, because then your math might be correct in your other posts, which might mean we're training too many Radiation Oncologists. Blasphemy! Burn the witch.

I mean math is math right. I’m not a necromancer, but I can Google. There are 60K new anorectal cases per year. There are about 6000 rad oncs. Nothing eery about it!

Plane crashes are uncommon. I’m sure some TSA inspector might chime in and say “Yeah but I see several per year.”


True, but nigro will be replaced by a vaccine. Only a small percentage of rectal cases require apr. In the setting of a proper tme, the absolute benefit of xrt is quite small- I would guess around 5% vs folfox alone? Aren’t we waiting a trial on this?
Edit- Actually 5% is probably an over estimate.
In Dutch tme trial, the absolute benefit was 5% and control arm did not use folfox. Hence, xrt is vulnerable to be eliminated by a future drug that adds a 3-4% benefit in local control? (Assuming folfox hasn’t done this already)
If you do a very honest open minded assessment of the effect of XRT in rectal cancer its benefit is… kind of mild. Not that it isn’t helpful, but yes systemics (a broad based definition for sure) seem to be doing a Moore’s Law thing but XRT isn’t.

Anal ca is just flat out rare nowadays. You could about have one rad onc per state cover each state’s sum total anal if anal was all he or she did. You might need two in California.
 
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