2013-2014 Underdawgs Thread ( Lets get it)

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Sean Lee said:
Are these match statistics suggesting that a sizeable portion of DO graduates can't land a residency? That's very concerning since MD graduates almost have a 100% match rate.
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I'm sure this is largely not true. I can't give you any stats for DO matches, can someone help me out here?
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Sean Lee said:
Are these match statistics suggesting that a sizeable portion of DO graduates can't land a residency? That's very concerning since MD graduates almost have a 100% match rate.
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No, they're saying that pre-scramble wcu is doing badly. Post scramble they'll be at 95% with the rest in rotational years.
 
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serenade said:
No, they're saying that pre-scramble wcu is doing badly. Post scramble they'll be at 95% with the rest in rotational years.
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Can you explain the difference between pre and post scramble?

Also...is it difficult for DOs to match into a mid-level IM residency?
 
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Sean Lee said:
Can you explain the difference between pre and post scramble?

Also...is it difficult for DOs to match into a mid-level IM residency?
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The scramble is people getting left over positions when they don't have one already.

And pending decent stats it is possible.
 
Sean Lee said:
Can you explain the difference between pre and post scramble?

Also...is it difficult for DOs to match into a mid-level IM residency?
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No, it's not hard. Realistic mid level acgme residencies are: im, fm, peds, ob/gyn, Neuro, psych, pm&r, anesthesia, em, and sometimes we've seen even radiology and surgery. In traditional AOA, any specialty is realistic.
 
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Everyone, the match stats aren't as simple to interpret as they seem. A VERY common strategy for DOs is to apply to the most competitive residencies through the AOA match, and then if they don't get them, to continue to the ACGME match which is a month later. Other people just apply to one or the other.

The thing is that if you match AOA, you get pulled out of the ACGME, so some people don't even do AOA (non-participants) and others only rank a few places they really liked in AOA in case they found more places in the ACGME side that they liked. Some people also just go AOA, but knowing which proportion do what at each school is impossible.

DOs still match 85-90% pre-scramble/SOAP, and are close to 100% after the scramble/SOAP.

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And again, you're missing my point. Of the people who applied AOA, only 65% matched pre-scramble as opposed to 85% for just AOA. The MD match is irrelevant to this conversation as we are not talking about those applicants.
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As I said, you're comparing the wrong numbers, the right numbers are 65% to 78%. Also, I would actually argue that the ACGME match does matter, because unfortunately, we know very little about why that additional 13% didn't match. The problem with just looking at the AOA match is that it doesn't really give a fair representation of who was also applying ACGME from that 13% and whether they just ranked 1-2 of their favorite AOA spots.

And as I mentioned, GA-PCOM, which as far as I can tell has consistently done just fine on the match, had a 63% AOA match pre-scramble. Does that really say anything about the school, given that we know very little about how many of those students that didn't match were aiming for competitive or top AOA-programs while keeping ACGME as a back-up? Not really.

Really, there's very little we can say based solely on the AOA match info, besides giving an estimate of how many people go AOA from each school.
 
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Yes it was intentional. I actually say that all the time IRL.

Sorry about the dr pepper babe. Lol
 
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Not so funny meow, is it?
 
serenade said:
So as having been successful in previous years we're opening up the underdogs thread for this medical school admission cycle! I want this to be a place were we can respectfully discuss admissions issues and how to be successful in getting into medical school.

Underdawg List
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=meddent12: 3.19/3.15 /27 (9,9,9)
11235812: 3.3/ 3.15 / 28 Interviews: ACOM, LMU-DCOM, LECOM-SH, DMU-COM, PNWU, KCOM Acceptance: ACOM, LMU-DCOM, LECOM-SH, and DMU-COM.
AkGrown84: 3.5/3.45/25 Interviews: PCOM, Touro-NV, Drexel, UWash, Kansas. Accepted: PCOM
Akumar29: 3.3/3.1/26 Interview: LUCOM
Alakermsu23: 3.9/23 Interviews: MUCOM, LMU
Albein: 3.3/2.9/ 29 Interviews: Touro-NY, LECOM-E. Accepted: LECOM-E
anicetus: 3.6/3.75/ 31Q(14/6/11) Accepted: ATSU-SOMA, AZCOM, DMU-COM, LECOM-E, LECOM-B, Touro-CA, WesternU-COMP, SUNY MD
Back 5: 3.32/3.54 /27 Interview: NSU, LMU, LECOM-B, Touro-NV, COMP, MUCOM Accepted: Touro-NV, COMP
Cajanmedic: 3.43/3.1/23,24 Interview : ACOM, LMU, WCU. Accepted: WCU
chillbob: 3.2/3.2/27 Interview: Touro-NV, LECOM-SH, ATSU-SOMA, NSU, South Dakota, Nebraska. Accepted: Touro-NV, LECOM-SH, ATSU-SOMA
ChineseKid: 3.27/ 32 (Canadian) Interview: LMU, AZCOM, MUCOM Accepted: MUCOM
Cookiesncreamm3.05 / 2.95 / 28 Interview: ACOM, LUCOM, LMU Accepted: ACOM, LUCOM
Dctodo: 3.3/3.1/27 Accepted: LUCOM, NYIT-COM
DE15C: 3.45/3.8/25 Interview: WCU, LMU, VCOM-CC : ACCEPTED LMU, VCOM-CC
Dedicated2be: 3.64/3.46/25
Drmo0ose: 3.3/3.0/26
DrOne:3.32 / 3.56 / 23 (6/9/8)
DrSFU: 3.6/2.98/23
DRWHO14: 3.25 / 3.2 / 21 & 22
DXU: 2.95 / 3.27 / 26 (10/8/8)
EH123: 3.3s, 3.6c, 23 MCAT. Accepted to LUCOM
gameblouses: 3.21/2.9/33
GIpremed: 3.5 / 3.08 / 26 (9,9,8)
GregoryMD: 3.5/3.2/ 23
Hayden19: 3.6/3.19/24,26 Accepted: ACOM, LMU, WVSOM
Heybigspender: 3.2/2.9/30 Accepted: LECOM-SH, Touro-Harlem
Hippiespeak: 3.93/ 3.88/ 24 Accepted: PCOM-Ga
HotHamh2o: 3.97/ 3.92 / 24 Interview: CUSOM Acceptance: CUSOM
Hunterthekidd: 3.47/ 3.72 /24 Interview: LUCOM, MUCOM, PNWU
Hvilledoc: cgpa: 3.69/3.79/22 (8/6/8) Interview: LMU, VCOM-CC, MUCOM, PCOM-Ga, WVSOM. Accepted: LMU
imrizzle: 3.64 / 25
IndianaRN: 3.3/3.4/22 Interview: WVSOM, LMU, LUCOM, KYCOM. Accepted: LMU, WVSOM
JDMcNugent: 2.88/ 3.36/27 Interview: ACOM, Touro-NY
Jsky: 3.65/ 3.56/ 22 (6,8,8)
kmann11 ;3.92 / 3.87 / 24 (10, 6, 8)
kp11: 3.05 / 3.43 / 29 (10,8,11) Accepted: AZCOM, PCOM-Ga, CUSOM
Longhorn41592: 3.86/ 3.78/23 Interview: ACOM, SOMA, TCOM Accepted: ACOM, SOMA
Lutzsh01 3.2/3.1/25 Interview: LECOM-SH, CUSOM, VCOM. Accepted: LECOM-SH, VCOM
marvinv: 3.2 /3.1/ 3.5 PB/24
MD013: 3.3/3.15/22 (7/7/8) Interview: PCOM-GA
Melomare: 3.1 / 2.85 /26, 25
MIDOHopeful 3.8 /3.8/ 22
Murdock 2.96 / 3.52 /27 Interview: CUSOM. Accepted: VCOM-CC, UNECOM
ogmora: 3.13/2.94/27M interview: NSU, ACOM, LMU, Touro-NY. Accepted: ACOM
Owl1414: 3.33 / 3.42/ 21
PastNastificate: 3.19/3.16/ 30 Interview: RVU, LECOM-E
Piiii:3.27 / 3.25 / 26 (12/6/6)
Points: 3.25/3.17/25 Interview: PCOM-Ga
Ponderer313: 3.7/3.9/24 (6,8,10)
postbacpremed87 3.8/3.9/23 Interview: ACOM, MUCOM, LMU-DCOM, LUCOM, OU-HCOM, WVSOM. Accepted: ACOM, OU-HCOM, LMU, LUCOM
Pineapple: 3.6/3.9/22(6-8-8) accepted to LUCOM.
Psimmon: 3.3 / 3.3 /27
RN26: 3.57/3.57/22
Rupyness: 3.6/3.5/26
Scrubsman: 3.2/3.05/26(7/9/10)
Shinytofu: 3.38/3.28/24 interviews: SOMA, MUCOM. deferred acceptance: SOMA
Sillybiogirl38: 3.45/22
SummerNights23: 2.91/2.72/27 Accepted: LUCOM
sutexas" 3.45/ 3.11/ 27 Interview: LECOM-E, LECOM-B, NSU, LMU Acceptance: LECOM-E
Temperature101: 3.15/3.35/22 (9/4/9). 1 DO ii, accepted to PR MD
ThelonleyArab: 3.82 sgpa/3.84 cpa / 22 mcat Interviews: LUCOM, LMU, AZCOM Acceptance: LUCOM
theu12: 3.67 /3.36 /22,22,23 Interviews: ACOM, LMU, WVSOM, MUCOM, PCOM-Ga. Accepted: WVSOM
touchpause13: 3.5/3.4/25 Interview: CUSOM, Marian, DMU Acceptance: DMU
Triagepremed: 3.1/3.5/23,27 Banned from SDN
Txknight: 3.18/ 3.21/ 29 Accepted: PCOM-Ga
USMCTODO: 3.6/3.7/24 Accepted: RowanSOM
Verynice: 3.6 /3.8/24 Interviews: WCU, LUCOM, PCOM-Ga, LMU, VCOM-CC, MUCOM, WVSOM. Accepted: WVSOM, LUCOM, PCOM-GA, LMU, VCOM-CC
Victoriax87: 3.13/2.90/27 Interviews: Touro-CA, NSU, MUCOM, Touro-NY, CUSOM, ACOM, LUCOM, LMU. Accepted: LMU, MUCOM, CUSOM, ACOM
Vincevegal: 3.68/3.64/25 Interview: SOMA, DMU, CUSOM, Touro-NV, Marian, LMU, KCUMB, UP-KYCOM, VCOM. Accepted: LMU, KCUMB
wipeout: 3.3 / 3.2 / 29 Interview: NSU, Touro-NV. Accepted Touro-NV
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SummerNights23 said:
MCAT 27 (9/9/9) & 26 (8/8/10) c/sGPA 2.9, gradGPA 3.1 (Master's degree with higher biomed PhD & SMP levels), non-trad, always working in school since college, English is my 3rd language, financially disadvanaged, non-hispanic, non-black. Extensive EC's & leadership. Good luck!
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I think the 2.7 was also a PhD. Not sure that what he meant or if it was just PhD level classes.
 
Telekinesis said:
Agreed. Lots of ppl on the list for this yr weren't even underdogs.
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and Anicetus was the poster child for that.

Another problem with the lax criteria is too many people getting lost in the crowd. Look at all of those on the original list we have not heard a peep from.
 
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Telekinesis said:
Agreed. Lots of ppl on the list for this yr weren't even underdogs.
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As I've said before... If ppl won't into the list, then so be it. Worst case scenario, some non-underdogs benefit.
 
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user3 said:
and Anicetus was the poster child for that.

Another problem with the lax criteria is too many people getting lost in the crowd, such as happened this year. Look at all of those on the original list we have not heard a peep from.
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It really wasn't better on Hocky or Triage's thread tbh.. And chances are it's not going to be different in the 2014-2015 thread.

Anicetus was a personal curiosity tbh. Many people believed that his 6 would be very damaging and that a high ps wasn't redeeming.
 
I thought the point of the thread was to give hope to ppl who have a small chance of getting in. Letting in non-underdogs may discourage a lot of ppl of applying.
 
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Telekinesis said:
I thought the point of the thread was to give hope to ppl who have a small chance of getting in. Letting in non-underdogs may discourage a lot of ppl of applying.
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Well with user3 we can call it a balanced situation.
 
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premed1001 said:
I think the 2.7 was also a PhD. Not sure that what he meant or if it was just PhD level classes.
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Woah, 2.7. That guy surpassed my underdogness from last year. Congrats to him/her!

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I thought the point of the thread was to give hope to ppl who have a small chance of getting in. Letting in non-underdogs may discourage a lot of ppl of applying.
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Was it people who just had very little hope, or was it people who had an uphill battle?
 
Might be a good idea to have a thread where everyone applying can be involved and have some criteria for UD status within that. Rank them by the MCAT/GPA formula as has been suggested before. UD's obviously will be those in the bottom half/third of all those who want to be included.

No one here can give anyone else actual numbers for what is UD status. There are too many variables. Anyone who has gone through the process would not argue that.
User3s criteria, serenads thoughts nor anyone else should have say in who is included or not. But cutting people off, either on the high end or low end, leads only to the massive conflict of who should or shouldn't be here for the reasons this thread used to be created for. And we're now lost, 78 pages in, having forgot the names and numbers created on the 1st page.

It's not created to assert opinions, or battle about who should be on here. It's made for people to put up their numbers, for rallying around a goal and for congratulations when it's accomplished. If there ends up being more people on the high or low end, who the frick cares?

78 pages of bickering is not the answer.
 
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Idk why people are so cranky about who is on the list. This is last cycles list, and there looks to be about the same amount of variation:

Well, I will start the new underdog thread for the upcoming cycle. I hope everyone get accept into at least one school. I have a lot of free time upcoming summer/fall semester. I will not apply this cycle, but the 2013-2014 cycle.Good luck everyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Copied from DJACK thread
"Please consider your statistics before posting in the thread. Each person has their own definition of what an Underdog is or should be. However, posting that you think you are an Underdog with a 32+ MCAT and a 3.5+ GPA doesn't exactly qualify you as one, and doesn't help anyone who is going to really struggle to get in.

When posting statistics to share on this thread, please post as like this:
sdn name- cGPA, sGPA, MCAT
That way this year we can also ensure everyone can use both the cGPA and sGPA as a reference, as well as the MCAT.

The Underdogs had great success last year and hopefully this year we can keep it up!
The Underdogs of 2012
SDN name/cGPA/sGPA/MCAT


mfas: 2.87, 3.21, 27 Interview : LECOM-E Accepted: LECOM-E
NurWollen: 3.46, 3.19, 29 Interview : AZCOM Accepted : AZCOM
underdog12: 3.19, 3.03, 34 Interviews: LECOM-B, LECOM-E. Accepted: LECOM-E
Temperature101: 3.15 , 3.28 TBD
Ibn Alnafis MD: 3.33, 3.35 20
wildcard0187: 3.24, 3.04 TBD
physcigirl27: 3.1, 2.66 28
LPpostbacc 3.14/3.76/TBD
Alexandriagrece: 3.46,3.32, 23T
Camshark: 3.22, 3.4 TBD
junkfoosow: 2.4, 2.7, 35
as1212559: 3.4, 3.15 29 Interview : KCUMB, OSU-COM Accepted: KCUMB, OSU-COM
Technay: 3.1, 3.1 20S
chicago5950: 3.5, 3.28, 18
jccalalafc: 3.41, 3.04, 29
Sasha3: 3.45, 3.65, 22
Gsun88: 3.002, 2.94 24 Interview: UMDNJ SOM 10/5
GHETTOFLOW21: 2.95 2.88 31 Interview: Alabama
pewpewmeister: 3.25, 3.21 24
Kvothe: 3.07, 3.50 TBD Interview: Touro-ca,Western Pomona Accepted: Touro-CA
felix2929: 3.1, 2.85, 31
mdny: 3.48, 3.27 27(11PS, 5VR, 11BS) Interview LMU, Campbell AT Still Acceptance: LMU Campbell
ShabNasty: 3.15 3.09 28 Interview: LECOM-B, WVSOM, and TUNCOM ACCEPTED: LECOM-E, MSUCOM
aburnet2: 3.30,3.40 26 (9ps, 6VR, 11bs)
pjd9779: 3.58, 3.63 24R
nirvikalpa: 3.40 3.20 TBD
drshark: 3.36, 3.40 TBD
VBGLL: 3.60, 3.50, 22
umee1989 3.05, 2.80 TBD
brakk026: 3.15, 2.88 32
deeoh2be - 3.23, 3.43, 25Q
ddd15: 3.3, 3.4 TBD
shataiki': 2.9, 28O
heybigA:3.36, 3.22 23S
Balfour Faraday: 3.25, 3.16, 28 Interview: SOMA, LECOM-B, Touro NV Accepted: Touro-NEV
hkm: 3.14 2.9 26Q
Syialb: 3.13, 3.15, 28 Interview: PNWU-COM, TUNCOM, Alabama, Touro-NY, NSU-COM Acceptances: Touro-NY, NSU-COM
psychkub : 3.08, 3.35 30 Interview: AZCOM,TOURO-CA,Western COMP-Pomona, University of Washington SOM, Hofstra-LIJ Accepted: AZCOM, ATSU SOMA
COMedic2Doc: 3.10, 3.10 TBD
vsuku; 3.51, 3.40 25 (10 PS, 7 VR, 8 BS)
AlmostJesus: 3.12, 2.52 TBD
05silvergt: 3.20, 3.10 26 Interview: LMU-DCOM, KYCOM Accepted: LMU-DCOM, KYCOM
fluoropHore: 3.4, 3.3, 28Q
TopPops: 3.80, 3.80 23
TheEMP: 3.09, 3.13 TBD
Osteocat: 3.34, 3.24, 25 Interview: WVSOM, Alabama PNWU
TheU12: 3.66,3.35 22N
Poliscidoc: 3.48, 3.25 23P Interview : PCOM-GA Accepted: PCOM-GA
phuynh99: 3.03, 2.97 27
selttiks288: 3.30, 3.30 28 (6P/10V/12 Interviews: NSU, AZCOM, WVSOM LECOME-E ACCEPTED: NSU, AZCOM
Class of 2016: 3.54, 3.68 21
PBLI4M: 3.18, 3.20 23
touchpause13 3.3 cGPA 3.1 sGPA Interview: LMU-DCOM, MU
JaBoomDay: 3.40, 3.20 TBD
bigj1213: 3.26, 3.19 25
pthx: 3.43, 3.29 24
timmaycakes: 3.2, 3.01 33 ACCEPTED: LECOM-E
coolingglasses: 3.14, 3.12 27 Interviews: KCOM, PNWU, WVSOM, TouroNY, NOVA, SOMA,ACOM Accepted: KCOM, WVSOM
saxofoonie: 3.4, 2.8 TBD
Kmd001 3.37/3.59/26
aprilgita 3.11, 2.90 23
Luciadown 3.83, 3.75 25
TinaMina 3.40, 3.28 26 Interview: NSUCOM, LECOM-B PCOM-GA, WVSOM and LECOM-Seton Hill Acceptance: NSUCOM (Withdrawn from others)
MCHEM 3.6, 3.67 25
gothamlight 3.67, 3.59 25
maestrohuang: 3.44, 3.48 27 Interview: KCUMB Acceptance: KCUMB
mchl8976: 3.24 2.94 26 Interview : LECOM-E, Alabama, Touro NY Accepted : LECOM-E
3rdtimesachrm: 3.3, 3.1 27 Interview: LECOM E
lalongo: 3.14 2.90 29 Interview: TouroNY Accepted: TouroNY
UTsksk*3.46, 3.53 23
siffiller 3.35 3.3 26
bumbel10 3.54 3.51 23
TriagePreMed 3.1 3.6 23
sarus23:3.64, 3.55 1st MCAT: 26; 2nd MCAT: 24 Interview : LECOM-E, WVSOM, PCOM, UNECOM , KYCOM, WesternU-Pomona, SOMA, VCOM-VC Accepted: WVSOM, UNECOM, PCOM-PA and VCOM-VC
ronalaw: 3.59 3.44 23 Interview: PNWU
DrMeows 3.23, 3.13 27 Interview :AZCOM, CCOM, Marian, LECOM-B, KCOM Accepted: Marian
MedicineBound: 3.20, 3.1 31 Interview: UMDNJ-SOM, AZCOM, KCOM, LECOM-E
tjtra28: 3.74, 3.76 25
coloradoguy: 3.19 3.19 32 Interview : LECOM-E
OUstudent25 3.1 3.30 25
rbolt25: 3.10 3.10 29
FLKID: 3.60 3.42 24 Interview: Alabama, Campbell
Jrobin : 2.90 3.50 31
BrittanieY: 3.30, 3.20 25 Interview: VCOM-CC, PCOM-GA CUSOM Accepted: VCOM-CC, CUSOM, PCOM-GA
Braun7713 3.47, 3.22 23 Interview: MUCOM, CUSOM, PNWU, Alabama, LMU-DCOM Accepted : MUCOM, ACOM
Hopefull22 3.26 3.22 25 Interview: LECOM-Seton Hill
Late Bloomer 3.27 3.5 23 Interview: Alabama, LMU Accepted: Alabama
abolt18, 3.35, 3.28, 28 - Interview KCUMB,KCOM, NSU, DMU Accepted: NSU, KCUMB, ATSU-SOMA, KCOM
member5977: 3.09, 3.59, 22m
xxstevecxx- 3.12, 3.45, 27 Interview: Alabama Accepted Alabama
Emolee: 3.58 3.35 25 Interview: Marian, KYCOM, CMU med Accepted: Marian, CMED
TylerMcM - 3.3, 3.5, 25 : Interview: KYCOM, WVSOM, PNWU, LMU DCOM Accpeted : KYCOM
laricb: 3.10 2.97 27
FutureDO132169 3.43 3.47 26 Interview: CCOM Accepted: CCOM
Sooperman: 3.64 3.43 25
Kash1123 - 3.03, 3.03, 35
alittlesenough: 3.42 3.0 26
JC719 3.52, 3.30 25 Interview: OSUCOM
Wipeout416: 3.3 3.3 29
Allykat1850 3.2 3.2 27 Accepted: LMU-DCOM
fbbguy: 3.2 2.83 26
walleyealx 3.0 2.8 28 Interviews: TouroCOM-NY, ACOM Accepted: ACOM
TealC, 3.38, 2.83, 24 Interview: WCCOM and Ga-PCOM Accepted: WCCOM and Ga-PCOM
Claisen 3.4 3.4 24 Interview: Western U
Strateego: 3.20 3.63 27 Interview: WVSOM, COMP-Northwest, LECOM-E Accepted: LECOM-E
mahmudur: 2.52 2.52 24
ajh1983 2.98 2.98 36 Interview: AZCOM, DMU Accepted: AZCOM
pinkstarr: 3.35 3.16 24 Accepted: AT Still SOMA
LSUtiger90: 3.62 3.40 23 Interview: WCU-COM Accepted:WCU-COM
FutureDO22, : 3.63, 3.22 24P Interview: WCU-COM ACOM


Last year's Underdog Thread: http://forums.sdn.net/showthread.php?t=820171
2010-2011 thread: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=736438
What is an underdog? Formula from last year's thread...
Formula:
MCAT/2 + sGPA*10 = Applicant Score

The science GPA of an average applicant
The average applicant (according to the 2011 applicant data: 25.66 MCAT, 3.26sGPA) will then have their "applicant score" as 45.43, as per the formula: (25.66/2) + (3.26*10) = 45.43

The overall GPA of an average applicant
The average applicant (according to the 2011 applicant data: 25.66 MCAT, 3.41 overall GPA) will then have their "applicant score" as 46.93, as per the formula: (25.66/2) + (3.41*10) = 46.93

The science GPA of an average matriculant
The average matriculant (according to the 2011 matriculant data: 26.51 MCAT, 3.36sGPA) will then have their "applicant"score" as 46.855, as per the formula: (26.51/2) + (3.36*10) = 46.855

The overall GPA of an average matriculant
The average matriculant (according to the 2011 matriculant data: 26.51 MCAT, 3.48 overall GPA) will then have their "applicant"score" as 48.055, as per the formula: (26.51/2) + (3.48*10) =48.055
 
DocWinter said:
Might be a good idea to have a thread where everyone applying can be involved and have some criteria for UD status within that. Rank them by the MCAT/GPA formula as has been suggested before. UD's obviously will be those in the bottom half/third of all those who want to be included.

No one here can give anyone else actual numbers for what is UD status. There are too many variables. Anyone who has gone through the process would not argue that.
User3s criteria, serenads thoughts nor anyone else should have say in who is included or not. But cutting people off, either on the high end or low end, leads only to the massive conflict of who should or shouldn't be here for the reasons this thread used to be created for. And we're now lost, 78 pages in, having forgot the names and numbers created on the 1st page.

It's not created to assert opinions, or battle about who should be on here. It's made for people to put up their numbers, for rallying around a goal and for congratulations when it's accomplished. If there ends up being more people on the high or low end, who the frick cares?

78 pages of bickering is not the answer.
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In the end it doesn't matter. Half the people won't come back and tell us where they ended up. This leads to user3 and applicants having an inflated sense of where they stand as they don't see that plenty of people are rejected.
In the end it is the failure of threads like this in that the people who respond are self-selected and as such provide a slanted view on the matter. Which is why I personally don't like having a list because in the end it doesn't tell enough of a story.

In the end we can take away a few things. The average applicant with a 3.3/24.4 will be rejected after applying to on average 7-8 schools.
 
I might start the underdog thread for the 2014-2015 cycle and these will be my criteria:

1) If you MCAT is 28+ and your c/sGPA are 3.0+, you are NOT an underdog due to many new schools opening these days
2) For people with low cGPA and high sGPA (i.e 3.1 cGPA and 3.5+ sGPA), I will average them out.
3) Applicants with 3.2+ c/sGPA and 26+ MCAT are NOT underdogs
4) URM AA with 3.0+ c/sGPA and 24+ MCAT are NOT underdogs
5) People with high c/sGPA 3.7+ and MCAT 23-24 are NOT due to reason given on # 1
6) I will reserve some discretion on stats I will consider as being underdog stats.

I will add a supporter list for applicants that I DO NOT consider underdogs...

End of this discussion......
 
serenade said:
In the end it doesn't matter. Half the people won't come back and tell us where they ended up. This leads to user3 and applicants having an inflated sense of where they stand as they don't see that plenty of people are rejected.
In the end it is the failure of threads like this in that the people who respond are self-selected and as such provide a slanted view on the matter. Which is why I personally don't like having a list because in the end it doesn't tell enough of a story.

In the end we can take away a few things. The average applicant with a 3.3/24.4 will be rejected after applying to on average 7-8 schools.
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The user3 effect is frustrating. He gives hope to 100 low applicants then gets 3 or 4 people coming back saying they are a success. Recall bias in this will simply hurt the majority of applicants.
 
AlbinoHawk DO said:
The user3 effect is frustrating. He gives hope to 100 low applicants then gets 3 or 4 people coming back saying they are a success. Recall bias in this will simply hurt the majority of applicants.
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It's whatever in the end. I'm done being the bad guy. Someone can take over.
 
serenade said:
In the end it doesn't matter. Half the people won't come back and tell us where they ended up. This leads to user3 and applicants having an inflated sense of where they stand as they don't see that plenty of people are rejected.
In the end it is the failure of threads like this in that the people who respond are self-selected and as such provide a slanted view on the matter. Which is why I personally don't like having a list because in the end it doesn't tell enough of a story.

In the end we can take away a few things. The average applicant with a 3.3/24.4 will be rejected after applying to on average 7-8 schools.
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This is just the nature of the beast. I imagine you'd get tons of people who got in coming back and commenting, but most people who are unsuccessful will likely just keep quiet.

Certainly not your (or anyone's) fault or responsibility.

I still think a list is helpful though. While I agree that user3's attitude is misleading to some, it is certainly uplifting when someone with 3.0/25 gets a shot. Despite their possibly amazing story/ECs, it still shows that its possible (albeit very unlikely) for others in the same situation.
 
Temperature101 said:
I might start the underdog thread for the 2014-2015 cycle and these will be my criteria:

1) If you MCAT is 28+ and your c/sGPA are 3.0+, you are NOT an underdog due to many new schools opening these days
2) For people with low cGPA and high sGPA (i.e 3.1 cGPA and 3.5+ sGPA), I will average them out.
3) Applicants with 3.2+ c/sGPA and 26+ MCAT are NOT underdogs
4) URM AA with 3.0+ c/sGPA and 24+ MCAT are NOT underdogs
5) People with high c/sGPA 3.7+ and MCAT 23-24 are NOT due to reason given on # 1
6) I will reserve some discretion on stats I will consider as being underdog stats.

I will add a supporter list for applicants that I DO NOT consider underdogs...

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I think this is a fair standard. At least with set rules from the start you can avoid all the b!tching.
 
It would be a reasonable suggestion to put URM after those applicants numbers.
 
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Yea I agree. A disclaimer would be effective.
 
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How about future lists start splitting people into their last update date, so if you apply in July and never come back, you'll know that. If you apply in June and update in September and February, the date will reflect those updates. This way at least we have a better way to estimate if someone was likely not accepted. We could also encourage people to come back and update if they plan to re-apply. The underdog thread could be a resource if we polish it.
 
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I agree to the above post^ very good idea, but will require dedication.

Also, yes special disclaimer for URM or International Student. Because URM require less stats, and Internationals require higher stats.
 
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It would be a reasonable suggestion to put URM after those applicants numbers.
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I was going to recommend a separate list but then realized how weird it would sound making a suggestion for a separate list based on... certain... characteristics. Lets just label them instead... oh wait...

I'm just kidding. I know it's for comparison purposes only.

Edit: I really hope a different designation next to someone's name doesn't allow others to down play their accomplishments. That's the only thing I'm worried about.
 
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