**Your top 5 dental schools**

[Sisero68]

The past few months there seems to be more and more, what dental school is better threads being posted. Some say money or specialization rates while others argue clinical or research opportunities, even if the school will be, well known on the other coast. So I thought this would be an interesting thread sampling SDN on our personal views of dental schools.


LIST your top 5 (five) dental schools in order and give a brief reason why you like that school. (assuming cost was 100% covered tuition and living expense, you can call it the Sisero Grant)


It could be for any reason at all clinical, research, name, specialization, weather, to get away from a crazy ex, to become a creepy stalker... Just try to be sincere and have fun with your descriptions.

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[Sisero68]

1) UOP
I know I am not the oldest person starting dental school but I have a good six to eight years on most of you and a three year dental program looks pretty good no matter what age you are. Plus its in San Francisco where their highs and lows for the year I see in one day in New York and sadly it might be the nicest day all year for us. On top of all this they are known for producing great clinical dentist... In my book hitting a perfect mark in every category.


2) UDM
I really hated sending my withdrawal email to UDM. From the moment I walked in the front doors I loved the school (the huge student/staff parking lot was a big plus seeing how I fight for a spot every day at my state university now). Most of us from day one on SDN have heard how amazing their clinical program is and being an individual that believes we learn best by doing I valued this SDN perspective greatly.


3) UNC
The only school in my top five I did not apply to. I can thank my ADEA guide to dental school book for that. This however is the school with the best location for me. While it is always nice to live in an area for a short period of time North Carolina is the only place I feel I would ever move permanently (if not staying in NY). When it comes down to it the area is what puts UNC so high in my ratings, though I should note they have a very respected program that I feel stands on its own outside of the location factor for me.


4) Columbia
What can I say its Columbia, from my knowledge there are only three ivy dental schools Columbia, Harvard, and Penn. All three of these schools seem to send high percentages to specialty programs. Columbia does this while maintaining a great reputation for their clinical education and as stated earlier this means a lot to me (though I understand as a pre-dent I know almost nothing of what is really valued in a clinical education). While many of us either think we will specialize or just dont want to close any doors to early, Columbia does a great job of showing how many doors they may open.


5) Buffalo
I think it would be in bad taste not to list the school I plan on attending. Money aside Buffalo is still one of my top dental schools. Most of my reasoning above comes from SDN, ADEA guides, hearsay, or simply preference on location (to many NY winters). So why do I rank Buffalo so highly? Living in upstate NY (central NY to you true upstaters aka north of Watertown) most of the dentist I shadowed graduated from buffalo. Whether it is the curriculum at buffalo, the individuals they accept, or just chance those dentist from Buffalo all had amazing patient/dentist/staff relations. Time and time again patients of these dentist could not speak highly enough of how great their dentist was. What really drove this message home was when I started shadowing specialist, two of them commented that patients usually do not know if they have a good dentist or not, only if they feel pain or discomfort. While these specialist where respectful in not talking bad about any specific dentist in the area they where willing to tell me who where the best (in their opinion, and yes I realize it may be skewed do to many referrals lol) either way they both mentioned numerous Buffalo dentist. Seeing is believing in this case, with all these positives everywhere I looked Buffalo earns a spot in my top dental schools.

 

[MoralDecay]

In no particular order:

• New York University: I went to a large undergrad, so being 1/300 in lecture is not a big deal to me at all. I make myself known in class and get to know my professors by name, so size is not a factor whatsoever. Student:faculty ratio in lab/clinic, where it actually matters, is the same or better, with respect to every other dental school. Insane pass rates on the NERB (I was told in the high 90s) Can't beat living in NYC, and the professors are world renowned. You can't deny that.
• University of Pennsylvania: The 4-year clinical curriculum, Ivy league reputation, one of the highest pass rates on the NERB (thus really strong clinical training), amazing dual degree opportunities, insane specialization rates, strong research, reputation, world-renowned faculty, 1 united campus, mandatory externships, amazing dean's scholarship...I could honestly go on forever about UPENN.
• UCLA: best ASDA chapter 4 years in a row? Their student experience must be really awesome. Great location, awesome reputation. Affordable.
• Harvard: Strong, impactful research; arguably the best reputation; great specialization rates. Harvard really speaks for itself. Go ahead and knock their clinical skills - at the end of the day, they're licensed.
• Texas schools: you can't beat their tuition costs. Enough said.

 

[dantemac]

In no particular order:

• New York University: I went to a large undergrad, so being 1/300 in lecture is not a big deal to me at all. I make myself known in class and get to know my professors by name, so size is not a factor whatsoever. Student:faculty ratio in lab/clinic, where it actually matters, is the same or better, with respect to every other dental school. Insane pass rates on the NERB (I was told in the high 90s) Can't beat living in NYC, and the professors are world renowned. You can't deny that.
• University of Pennsylvania: The 4-year clinical curriculum, Ivy league reputation, one of the highest pass rates on the NERB (thus really strong clinical training), amazing dual degree opportunities, insane specialization rates, strong research, reputation, world-renowned faculty, 1 united campus, mandatory externships, amazing dean's scholarship...I could honestly go on forever about UPENN.
• UCLA: best ASDA chapter 4 years in a row? Their student experience must be really awesome. Great location, awesome reputation. Affordable.
• Harvard: Strong, impactful research; arguably the best reputation; great specialization rates. Harvard really speaks for itself. Go ahead and knock their clinical skills - at the end of the day, they're licensed.
• Texas schools: you can't beat their tuition costs. Enough said.

Spot on.

Except, I'd bump NYU. I would add UOP - 3 year program, great for specializing, great location, not a bad word spoken about the clinical training. Soon to be new facilities.

 

[dmdluffy]

no tufts love?!?!?!

 

[frd88]

1. UoP - They didn't want me, so now I want them.
2. UCLA - That friggin katy perry song man
3. Harvard - It's an ego thing
4. NYU - I saw a movie where some hot shot business guy went there
5. Columbia - Another ego thing

 

[Bereno]

I think these lists are totally arbitrary, but what the hey, I'll play

MY top 5 (in no order)

• UoP - THREE F**KING YEARS BABY!
• UW - Its home for me...
• UConn - I'm attending so it immediately becomes the best D-school in the world. Who knows... after my four years it might be the worst in the world lol
• UPR - I've always wanted to live in Puerto Rico...
• Haaaveeerd - Nothing says I'm awesome quite like telling everyone I went here haha

 

[dru180]

I think these lists are totally arbitrary, but what the hey, I'll play

MY top 5 (in no order)

• UoP - THREE F**KING YEARS BABY!
• UW - Its home for me...
• UConn - I'm attending so it immediately becomes the best D-school in the world. Who knows... after my four years it might be the worst in the world lol
• UPR - I've always wanted to live in Puerto Rico...
• Haaaveeerd - Nothing says I'm awesome quite like telling everyone I went here haha

Bereno, im confused why you didnt apply to UoP with your stats if you like it so much?!

Here is my list:

1)UoP:
Im a little older, so id really like to get out there ASAP- check 3 yr program. Clinically great, great location, specialization, respect from staff, etc. etc etc etc. Never heard a bad thing about it. (coincidentally im interviewing for an alternate spot in beg of Feb. REALLLLY hope I get in)

2) UF
In the end money IS a factor. Im a Florida resident, so it's by far the cheapest school for me. I interviewed there previously and when I did, I was told that 100% of their class passed the boards the first time. Thats impressive- they are doing something right. They clearly have good clinical program. Plus, UF is a pretty great school in general (go gators), and its a very well respected school and program in the south.

3) Tufts
Everyone says such great things, and I love Boston.

4) Harvard/Penn/Columbia
To be honest I'm not extremely familiar with each school individually, but its hard to deny what everyone here says. They are the Ivy league brand name schools, great for specializing, great if you want to go into research (i dont), etc. As a side note, I have been to the Harvard campus, and it is beautiful. I wish I could have applied to these schools, I just don't have the stats.

5) LECOM
This is a wild card! I'm somewhat biased, because I'm already accepted there, and Im sure I'm the only one that would list it in a top 5, but I have solid reasons.
First of all, they are a brand new school, which means brand new facilities, and a faculty that will do everything they can do to see you succeed (their ass is on the line, having no reputation!).
Second, you spend minimal amt of time in the class room with their PBL style learning. Its not for everyone, but for some it will be perfect for their learning style.
Last but not least, I have a REALLY good feeling that they will produce some of the best (if not the top) clinicians in the country. There are a couple reasons I feel this way. 1) you start doing clinical things in your first year. Its not ground breaking, but I've always felt this was important. 2) again, they will have brand new facilities, which means brand new, state of art, equipment. 3) Most importantly, at Lecom, you are a student year round, unlike most schools. By the end of your third year, supposedly, you will be almost entirely done learning how to be a dentist. You spend the entire fourth year ONLY practicing dentistry. This means you should get the most exposure to the most diff kinds of cases by the time you graduate. I think this is a really huge!

 

[predent18]

1) uop
2) Harvard
3) ucla
4) ucsf
5) uw

 

[Bereno]

Bereno, im confused why you didnt apply to UoP with your stats if you like it so much?!

Lol, I can't remember all the requirements I had for choosing my various schools, but I remember wanting to apply to UoP. Maybe I did not have the correct prereqs? I can't remember lol

 

[Baker2010]

1. UCSF
2. Penn
3. UCLA
4. Harvard
5. Tufts

 

[Destiny11]

1. UOP
2. MWU-AZ
3. UCSF
4. Tufts
5. UW

 

[MoralDecay]

Didn't realize UoP was such a popular choice. I liked my interview/tour, but had way too many friends/family ask "what's UoP?"

 

[destinedsirius]

1. UOP- everything everyone else said above plus it's close to home

2. UCSF- close to home, great location, great specializing, awesome views

The rest are in no particular order.

3. UCLA- same as UCSF but a bit warmer
4. Harvard- just because of the name... I don't know much about the dental school
5. Columbia- never heard of Columbia until I looked into applying... Apparently is popular with sdn kids so I'm just going jump off the bridge like everyone else.

Got into my top 2 choices.

 

[Sunspear]

1. UoP/UCSF; both amazing schools; both very close to home.
2. UCLA - also amazing, but I'd have to move.
3. USC - price tag is a major concern; but still so-cal
4. indifferent
5. indifferent

 

[UltimateHombre]

For me the 2 most important things are price and clinical experience. Having said that these are in no particular order.

- West Virgina - Just as cheap as Texas schools. Building brand new facility and they ran up 70 points against Clemson in the Orange bowl... need i say more.
- Texas Schools - Cheap, well respected
- UOP - All the above reasons, 3 years and solid clinically
- ASDOH - The students i have worked with said they often do between 300-400 extractions and more crowns than they could count. Modular program, dual MPH, and it's home!
- Louisville - Tons of patients, optional MS in oral bio, and they hug you when you leave the interview... how awesome is that.

 

[Regmata]

LECOM not in the top 3? Are you nuts? That family enjoys a reputation across dentistry and medicine of providing top notch education, putting students ahead of profits and doing all within their power to ensure that their students get all they need to become top notch practitioners. Any corporation, I mean school run by such an altruistic group of educators just has to be one of the best out there.

 

[Kahr]

For me the 2 most important things are price and clinical experience. Having said that these are in no particular order.

- West Virgina - Just as cheap as Texas schools. Building brand new facility and they ran up 70 points against Clemson in the Orange bowl... need i say more.
- Texas Schools - Cheap, well respected
- UOP - All the above reasons, 3 years and solid clinically
- ASDOH - The students i have worked with said they often do between 300-400 extractions and more crowns than they could count. Modular program, dual MPH, and it's home!
- Louisville - Tons of patients, optional MS in oral bio, and they hug you when you leave the interview... how awesome is that.

No interest in MWU-AZ? (not that it has to be in your top 5 or anything)

1. UW - RIDE program (can't be compared), location, birth state, great reputation/name, decent facilities.
2. OHSU - Great rep., good facilities (new building), location.
3. UoP - 3 years, great clinical focus, great location.
4. Columbia - Great name, strong overall program, great city.
5. MWU-AZ - Incredible facilities, super cheat cost of living, amazing amount of procedures because of no residents.

 

[UltimateHombre]

No interest in MWU-AZ? (not that it has to be in your top 5 or anything)

I love MWU... it is an amazing school. The faculty and facilities are top notch!! I would consider myself super blessed if i got in there. I actually did a predental simulation clinic there a year ago and fell in love.

But it is about 8K more a year than both ASDOH and Louisville. Like i said price is one of the biggest factors for me.

Also... totally agree with yours. OHSU and UW are right at the top of my list as well, but it was only top 5. Those schools are actually much more realistic for me, cause i am WICHE and Texas and WVU hardly accept any OOS.

 

[dru180]

LECOM not in the top 3? Are you nuts? That family enjoys a reputation across dentistry and medicine of providing top notch education, putting students ahead of profits and doing all within their power to ensure that their students get all they need to become top notch practitioners. Any corporation, I mean school run by such an altruistic group of educators just has to be one of the best out there.

Ya, there definitely aren't any other dental schools out there trying to make a profit. Great post!








oh....didnt you sense my sarcasm too?

Sorry, I didn't mention your school? That was my opinion for me, and I stand by it. Plus, LECOM DOES have a good reputation in the medical community for their D.O. program. Im not talking about D.O. vs. M.D. though, so lets not compare apple to oranges. Lecom has absolutely no reputation in the dental community. No one can argue that. I said it was a wild card, but I still think it will probably deliver.

I hope you have a great weekend. I mean that truly with no sarcasm.

 

[Bereno]

I think everyone is forgetting the "Sisero Grant" as stated in the OP lol

 

[AlbinoPolarBear]

I think everyone is forgetting the "Sisero Grant" as stated in the OP lol

Most dental students don't believe in grants.

If it's a true dental school grant, The Sisero Grant will probably somehow only benefit the URMs anyways.

 

[Kahr]

I love MWU... it is an amazing school. The faculty and facilities are top notch!! I would consider myself super blessed if i got in there. I actually did a predental simulation clinic there a year ago and fell in love.

But it is about 8K more a year than both ASDOH and Louisville. Like i said price is one of the biggest factors for me.

Also... totally agree with yours. OHSU and UW are right at the top of my list as well, but it was only top 5. Those schools are actually much more realistic for me, cause i am WICHE and Texas and WVU hardly accept any OOS.

Ahh, well that makes sense, I think sometimes I forget the cost perspective because of the military scholarship thing, but if I were taking loans it would be a HUGE factor for me as well.

Yeah, the whole preference for IS vs OOS vs WICHE, etc is really frustrating. I sometimes wonder why I didn't move to WA/OR before this, instead of assuming WICHE status would give me enough of an advantage.

 

[Bereno]

Most dental students don't believe in grants.

If it's a true dental school grant, The Sisero Grant will probably somehow only benefit the URMs anyways.

Well, Sisero68 asked us to rank our schools assuming we got his "Sisero Grant" that covered all costs. Thats why I mentioned this. The thread seems to imply this is a purely hypothetical situation.

 

[dru180]

Lol, I can't remember all the requirements I had for choosing my various schools, but I remember wanting to apply to UoP. Maybe I did not have the correct prereqs? I can't remember lol

lol fair enough. was just curious.

 

[mc719]

1. Temple - The home of Rocky
2. UoP - Frisco
3. NYU - U kiddin me?
4. UCLA - omg
5. USC - serisously...

 

[predent18]

Top Schools according to this thread:

1) UoP
2) UCLA
3) UCSF
4) Harvard
5) UW
6) Columbia
7) Penn

I fully agree with this list. These are the most difficult schools to get accepted to, highest DAT's, best named schools, best specialization rates, etc.

 

[AwesomeTeeth]

Top Schools according to this thread:

1) UoP
2) UCLA
3) UCSF
4) Harvard
5) UW
6) Columbia
7) Penn

I fully agree with this list. These are the most difficult schools to get accepted to, highest DAT's, best named schools, best specialization rates, etc.

You realize that some people here are just naming schools that they've been accepted to or just based on name/location factor right? No way is this indicative of the best dental schools. Every school definitely has strengths and weaknesses. Just because you have some amazing name or everyone in the class gets in a specialty doesn't mean you're "the best." I immediately noticed the West Coast favoritism in your list as well.

This is just like a high school popularity contest for "Most successful in life 20 years from now." No one really knows and is just voting based on personal experiences. Interesting thread though.

 

[Sunspear]

West Coast favoritism? 4 schools are west coast, 3 are east. I'd hardly call that favoritism!

 

[AwesomeTeeth]

West Coast favoritism? 4 schools are west coast, 3 are east. I'd hardly call that favoritism!

1, 2, 3, and 5 are all West Coast. So 4 out of the top 5.
4, 6, and 7 are all East Coast.

And absolutely nothing in between or anywhere else. What is this, the SEC?

 

[Kahr]

1, 2, 3, and 5 are all West Coast. So 4 out of the top 5.
4, 6, and 7 are all East Coast.

And absolutely nothing in between or anywhere else. What is this, the SEC?

The inbetweeners are assholios, they are too in-state-centric, as illustrated by Nebraska (course I'm mildly drunk and they rejected me, so I am a bit biased and unihibited).

 

[Bereno]

The inbetweeners are assholios, they are too in-state-centric, as illustrated by Nebraska (course I'm mildly drunk and they rejected me, so I am a bit biased and unihibited).

I love it when the alcohol lets us say whats actually on our minds

 

[DavesNotHere]

Ya, there definitely aren't any other dental schools out there trying to make a profit. Great post!








oh....didnt you sense my sarcasm too?

Sorry, I didn't mention your school? That was my opinion for me, and I stand by it. Plus, LECOM DOES have a good reputation in the medical community for their D.O. program. Im not talking about D.O. vs. M.D. though, so lets not compare apple to oranges. Lecom has absolutely no reputation in the dental community. No one can argue that. I said it was a wild card, but I still think it will probably deliver.

I hope you have a great weekend. I mean that truly with no sarcasm.

Please, expand upon why MD vs DO is like comparing apples to oranges? After you finish that series i'd like to hear more from a pre-dent on what unopened dental schools will be in the top 5 programs instantly?

 

[1800RAW]

Kinda curious why no one mentioned Stony Brook

 

[dru180]

Please, expand upon why MD vs DO is like comparing apples to oranges? After you finish that series i'd like to hear more from a pre-dent on what unopened dental schools will be in the top 5 programs instantly?

lol Some of you people on here are just too funny....


a) Last time I checked there is no DO version of DDS/DMD. Not all dental schools have med schools. Etc. Its seriously just a dumb argument to compare a dental school to its med-school counterpart.

b) Did you even read my post? or this thread for that matter? The OP asked, what is YOUR top 5 and why. So again, did you even read my post? I said that realized no one else would put this in their top 5. But you are right, its not opened yet, so how could it be anything other than last?! I said it was a 'wild card' and 'would probably deliver'. One more time, did you read my post? I said why I though it deserved to be in MY top 5. Im not afraid to think on my own, and I'm not going to apologize for not being a follower...


So now that I'm done with that series, why dont you get off your high horse DavesNotHere and contribute something useful. Since you condescendingly referred to me as a 'pre-dent', I can only assume you are either a dental student or a dentist. Enlighten us why your dental school is the best and give us lowly predents some useful knowledge. Heck, why dont you ACTUALLY be useful and go as far as providing YOUR top 5, with a few reasons for each. As someone who is either in dental school or has graduated, that might be great knowledge for some of us 'pre-dents'.


People, I realize that this is the internet and its easy to say things to people you wouldn't actually say in person, but please remember that you are talking to your future colleagues. Have some respect. If you aren't going to contribute then don't post.

 

[DavesNotHere]

lol Some of you people on here are just too funny....


a) Last time I checked there is no DO version of DDS/DMD. Not all dental schools have med schools. Etc. Its seriously just a dumb argument to compare a dental school to its med-school counterpart.

b) Did you even read my post? or this thread for that matter? The OP asked, what is YOUR top 5 and why. So again, did you even read my post? I said that realized no one else would put this in their top 5. But you are right, its not opened yet, so how could it be anything other than last?! I said it was a 'wild card' and 'would probably deliver'. One more time, did you read my post? I said why I though it deserved to be in MY top 5. Im not afraid to think on my own, and I'm not going to apologize for not being a follower...


So now that I'm done with that series, why dont you get off your high horse DavesNotHere and contribute something useful. Since you condescendingly referred to me as a 'pre-dent', I can only assume you are either a dental student or a dentist. Enlighten us why your dental school is the best and give us lowly predents some useful knowledge. Heck, why dont you ACTUALLY be useful and go as far as providing YOUR top 5, with a few reasons for each. As someone who is either in dental school or has graduated, that might be great knowledge for some of us 'pre-dents'.


People, I realize that this is the internet and its easy to say things to people you wouldn't actually say in person, but please remember that you are talking to your future colleagues. Have some respect. If you aren't going to contribute then don't post.

I'm still waiting to hear what the differences are between DO and MD.

 

[organicman22]

1) NYU (great faculty, a lot of outreach opportunities, greatest city on earth)
2) Columbia (would be #1 if they gave me an interview )
3) UofP (like everyone else said...3 F-in years)
4) Michigan
5) Iowa (great program but its in Farmville USA)


worst: LECOM (not trying to bash it but IMO it is the worst choice THIS CYCLE, it may develop into a great program but right now I think it is too risky to go there. Plus private loans suck, Dr. Curd came off ignorant to me, and don't like PBL)

 

[hifive]

although i am in dental school i'll just list mine as well.


1)UoP- 3 years
2)UDM- clinical/ from mich
3)canadian school- i dont know why/curiosity - just hear some things from the canadian classmates
4) x
5)x

 

[DMDWANNABEE]

Eh, I feel like this comment was kind of mean. My bad. Deleted.

 

[Regmata]

I would hope that the school anyone decides to attend is in their own, personal top 5. Each applicant has a unique situation and educational goals that would be met differently by various institutions. That is why these threads are so silly. For the most part, dental schools are largely the same. They all end at graduation with a degree allowing you to practice dentistry. Some may focus more on clinical dentistry, some on didactics, few if any do both exceptionally well. They are all governed by CODA and must all provide certain level of education and clinical experience. At the end of the day, you will be a dentist and next to nobody will care where you went to school. You can speculate all day that one school will open more doors in terms of post graduate education, but the truth is that those doors are opened almost exclusively by the individual student and their own abilities and hard work.

As for my comments on LECOM, I apologize for the seemingly unsolicited attack on your school. Obviously the school is both untested and unproven. Who knows, maybe LECOM will prove to be the greatest dental school of all time. My animosity towards the institution stems from the experience had there by several people who I am very close with. It is not that there are not quality instructors or clinical opportunities to provide the education necessary to become an excellent practitioner. Nor do I question the ability of their graduates. My beef is with the administration, how they run their school and how they treat their students. Unfortunately, sometimes the paper pushers upstairs can sour the experience of students. It would be interesting to see how many students that graduate from the program are so pleased with their experience that they give back to the program as alumni. I sincerely hope that the dental school is run differently than its medical counterparts and that they treat their students as they deserve to be treated.
Good luck to you next year.

 

[jhanago]

1. Dylan
2. Dylan
3. Dylan
4. Dylan
5. Dylan




Because I spot hot fire.

 

[DavesNotHere]

1. Dylan
2. Dylan
3. Dylan
4. Dylan
5. Dylan




Because I spot hot fire.

What an obscure reference

 

[Baker2010]

1. Dylan
2. Dylan
3. Dylan
4. Dylan
5. Dylan




because i spot hot fire.

hahahaha wtf

 

[jhanago]

hahahaha wtf

Lol for some reason it was the first thing i thought of when i saw the title


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9lg6HqJeY0

 

[timwatley]

1. OHSU - Completely biased, but hands down the best state and a great school.
2. Creighton - Really established and no specialty programs = amazing clinical program
3. U o P - Too fast paced for me but I definitely would have been stoked to interview there
4. Louisville - Laid back school, new facilities, established
5. UDM - Wish I would have applied here

 

[dru180]

I'm still waiting to hear what the differences are between DO and MD.

I dont care what the difference is. I'm not a med student, nor am I trying to be. I'm still waiting to hear something useful.



Regmata, I appreciate the apology. No hard feelings. That sucks about how your friends were treated. I'd be interested to hear the story. I sincerely hope the dental school is run differently too, no matter if I end up attending there or not! lol Cheers.

 

[Sisero68]

The main reason i made this thread was not to find some arbitrary ranking, more to see how people view schools differently. Especially if we take cost out of the factor. Being from the east coast almost all of my personal choices are on the east coast... etc.

 

[dantemac]

Whoever put LECOM in their top 5...no, just no.

 

[musicmaestro]

1. Columbia
2. UoP
3. UDM
4. UF
5. Penn

 

[DavesNotHere]

I dont care what the difference is. I'm not a med student, nor am I trying to be. I'm still waiting to hear something useful.



Regmata, I appreciate the apology. No hard feelings. That sucks about how your friends were treated. I'd be interested to hear the story. I sincerely hope the dental school is run differently too, no matter if I end up attending there or not! lol Cheers.

I figured you had no idea what you were talking about. It's like comparing apples to oranges kinda.