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"ARIZONA MEDIC DIES AFTER BEING STRUCK BY HELICOPTER ROTOR BLADE"
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,438401,00.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,438401,00.html
Yeah, details are few, but it seems I may have known the medic on that flight. Tragic.
i'm in a program with a very active flight program heavily reliant on residents. it was a selling point for where i ended up. i ain't going near that bird now. they are falling out of the sky at an alarming rate.
Since we have a very active mandatory flight program as part of our residency I'm interested to see how this affects our recruiting this year. I'm sure it will come up many times.
I'm not sure how many more people are going to have to die to get some change in HEMS operations.
What BS. They should have grounded the fleet nationwide already (yes, I understand that would be the FAA's call and not NTSB).
That's the crux of the problem though. If we significantly limit helo transports from where we are now it will result in the units spending more time sitting on the group which = not earning money. That would effectively eliminate many of the less busy services. With less services that would increase the response and transport times for many of the calls which would in turn further reduce the effectiveness of the whole service.I think that grounding all ambulances would be tantamount to throwing the baby out with the bathwater. There are certain instances where the most critically ill patients who have an inordinately long transport time certainly are on the benefit end of the risk:benefit ratio involved in air transport. But I do think that there are going to be some major overhauls in the field in regard to short hops and flights in marginal weather.
and there was a copter crash in illinois last night killing 4, including a patient.
i'm in a program with a very active flight program heavily reliant on residents. it was a selling point for where i ended up. i ain't going near that bird now. they are falling out of the sky at an alarming rate.
i've flown heli's for 23 years and now i have retired from flying. if i ever get the bug to fly again i go watch the u-tube videos on crashes.
they're great machines for a specific purpose, but there is always the risk. flying at night is asking for trouble. the accident occurred at about 2AM. the pilot in the reno area accident apparently called out a mayday just prior to going in. it sounds like he was doing an autorotation. perhaps he ran out of fuel (happens to the best pilots-that's how gary powers died). the post crash fire, though, argues against fuel starvation. that was an AS350, french machine, used to be called "falling stars" until they ironed out the engine bugs.
looking at the crash scene photos i guess that he missed the flare at the bottom and took off his tail, then rolled up. at night you cannot judge heights well, and if you don't start your flare at the right altitude, you will hit hard.
i doubt if night vision goggles will help. they will probably just increase the accident rate by luring pilots into situations that they would have avoided.
look at the army's experience with night vision goggles.
if you want to be safe, never fly at night. never fly in marginal visibility.
helicopters glide too, it's called autorotation. pilots practice it regularly. no one with common sense would fly a heli if it weren't possible to autorotate (glide without engine power). planes, however, will stall: look at the you tube videos. the heli main blade can stall also: that's usually fatal unless you're within 10 feet of the ground. all aircraft are dangerous, though it is known that heli's have a higher crash rate.
your HEMS pilot should be glad to demo an auto for you next time you go up. it's a good learning experience and is probably the safest configuration in heli flight.
Not to belittle the significance of these accidents, but it's hard to measure just how safe (or unsafe) flying in these EMS helicopters are, unless you look at the data across the board, analyzing the total # of flights vs. the accidents/injuries/fatalities. For example, when talking about the safety of flying by aircraft...
"Air travel, despite the rash of safety incidents surrounding Qantas, has never been safer.
By any measure, travellers are far safer in the air than driving to the airport, according to Boeing and the US National Safety Council.
Every day, six million people are in the air and they're 22 times safer than being on the road, the council says.
In fact, in a typical six-month period in the US, 21,000 die on the roads, which equates to the total loss of life in commercial airline accidents since 1960.
Since 1960, air safety has soared from 45 fatal accidents per million departures to less than one today as the industry learns from accidents, engines become more reliable and cockpit technology enters the computer age."
I'd be very interested in seeing such "risk adjusted" data for these EMS helicopters, based on the total number of flights nationwide vs. those w/ accidents/injuries/fatalities.
Not to belittle the significance of these accidents, but it's hard to measure just how safe (or unsafe) flying in these EMS helicopters are, unless you look at the data across the board, analyzing the total # of flights vs. the accidents/injuries/fatalities. For example, when talking about the safety of flying by aircraft...
"Air travel, despite the rash of safety incidents surrounding Qantas, has never been safer.
By any measure, travellers are far safer in the air than driving to the airport, according to Boeing and the US National Safety Council.
Every day, six million people are in the air and they're 22 times safer than being on the road, the council says.
In fact, in a typical six-month period in the US, 21,000 die on the roads, which equates to the total loss of life in commercial airline accidents since 1960.
Since 1960, air safety has soared from 45 fatal accidents per million departures to less than one today as the industry learns from accidents, engines become more reliable and cockpit technology enters the computer age."
I'd be very interested in seeing such "risk adjusted" data for these EMS helicopters, based on the total number of flights nationwide vs. those w/ accidents/injuries/fatalities.
Yea that presentation sure did seem to have some good data...thanks!The correct way to look at it is the accident rate per #flight hours though you can also 'slice the bread' by #missions. This has actually not been studied/published in the US. Perhaps surprising given it costs 10 times as much as ground transport while providing few proven benefits, but nothing in this crazy money wasting system surprises me anymore. The only study done on this recently was on the German system and that showed conflicting data depending on how you sliced it. What we need is a larger study encompassing all of US HEMS to have enough power to draw valid conclusions. Unless the FAA/NTSB undertakes this, I doubt this can be done by a private group/individual given the reluctance of private HEMS operators to cooperate.
Edit: so speaking of the NTSB, I came across this after a little Googling. I still don't see it on pubmed, but it's a very informative lecture given by someone who has studied HEMS for a while; good stuff. Page 33 seems to answer your question.
...Once again, think hard before calling for the helicopter. I know people disagree but no way could you put me on one of those vomit buckets with a propeller for a living... JMHO
Sorry, referring to the previous articles..... but the statement still stands. One of my partners took me in his airplane and I was stuck between vomiting, SVT, and pure hysteria. Needless to say our "flight" didn't last long.
The incident docB referenced was a fixed-wing plane crash.
I'd be very interested in seeing such "risk adjusted" data for these EMS helicopters, based on the total number of flights nationwide vs. those w/ accidents/injuries/fatalities.
FAA: 2 killed in Okla. medical helicopter crash
(AP) – 30 minutes ago
KINGFISHER, Okla. — Authorities say at least two people are dead after a medical helicopter crashed in a central Oklahoma field.
Federal Aviation Administration spokesman Lynn Lunsford says the Eagle Med helicopter had left Oklahoma City's Integris Baptist Medical Center and was on its way to pick up a patient when it crashed about 8 p.m. Thursday.
Lunsford didn't know the helicopter's destination. It crashed near Kingfisher, which is about 50 miles northwest of Oklahoma City.
Lunsford says he doesn't know how many people were on board the aircraft but that another medical helicopter had been dispatched to the scene.
KINGFISHER — Two people were killed and one injured this evening when a medical helicopter crashed four miles south of Kingfisher, the Oklahoma Highway Patrol reported.
It was an Eagle Med test flight, said Sgt. Denise Robinson. She said three people were aboard the helicopter.
Kingfisher County Emergency Management Director Steve Loftis says the helicopter went down about four miles south of Kingfisher.
Federal Aviation Administration spokesman Lynn Lunsford says the Eagle Med helicopter left Oklahoma City's Integris Baptist Medical Center and was on its way to a hospital in Okeene when it crashed about 7:30 p.m. four miles southeast of Kingfisher.
Lunsford said the injured person was being airlifted by to Oklahoma City on another medical helicopter.
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