Yale medical students issue demands for diversity

[Krupke]

It certainly seems like there's a lot of people that would love to read about their ridiculousness being debunked though...wasn't the McKenna dean's offense just referring to minority students as not their "traditional" student? That's like, historical fact, the school has typically been non minority and non poor. It's something the minorities themselves bring up all the time!

Well, take for example, Fox News. Many of their viewers want to hear the ridiculousness be debunked. Fox creates a strong, unified audience by being the ones to call them out themselves. The crazier they make universities out to be, the more conservatives flock to Fox news shows. Expressing the fact that a large faction of students disagree with the micro-aggression people takes away the story. Likewise for liberal media outlets who cater to SJWs who want to hear how people are being victimized

And the CMC dean said "students who don't fit the CMC mold." Which is a 100% distasteful phrasing, but it was absolutely clear that she had no bad intention (the dean said that she would love to meet with the student to discuss how they could make CMC a more welcoming place for those who don't fit the mold)

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[efle]

Well, take for example, Fox News. Many of their viewers want to hear the ridiculousness be debunked. Fox creates a strong, unified audience by being the ones to call them out themselves. The crazier they make universities out to be, the more conservatives flock to Fox news shows. Expressing the fact that a large faction of students disagree with the micro-aggression people takes away the story. Likewise for liberal media outlets who cater to SJWs who want to hear how people are being victimized

And the CMC dean said "students who don't fit the CMC mold." Which is a 100% distasteful phrasing, but it was absolutely clear that she had no bad intention (the dean said that she would love to meet with the student to discuss how they could make CMC a more welcoming place for those who don't fit the mold)

Im shocked anyone really cares enough about this to make news of it beyond campus papers!

That's actually hilarious, so they demanded resignation from someone for rough wording in a message pledging to try and help them. You can't write this ****

 

[Krupke]

Im shocked anyone really cares enough about this to make news of it beyond campus papers!

That's actually hilarious, so they demanded resignation from someone for rough wording in a message pledging to try and help them. You can't write this ****

Yes, but the news selectively reported on the resignation (that was spurred only by two students hunger striking) and not the fact that a lot of students thought it was childish that those two students destroyed a woman's life

 

[Demosthenes1]

I went to a liberal arts school. I wholeheartedly believe it made me a better, smarter, more well-rounded individual without sacrificing anything substantial in the way of learning science. I studied philosophy along with a hard science. I would strongly encourage anybody I loved to go the liberal arts route.

That said, I have encountered many people use the word "microaggression" and exactly none of them were anything but idiots when they said it.

Social justice warfare has nothing to do with solving real problems and has everything to do with people trying to escape the constraints of their own bleeding heart identity politics. These people live in a simplistic world of black and white: rich vs poor, black vs white, men vs women, patriarchy and "hegemony." They are the beneficiaries of the very types of privilege that they vilify and the only way to escape their own wrath is to claim clemency as the advocates of the powerless.

I can see someone stayed out of the International Relations classes

 

[sloop]

I can see someone stayed out of the International Relations classes

Why do you think I put hegemony in scare quotes?

I'm aware that the word has a clear meaning, esp. in international relations, that is not at all how feminists use the word. I'm aware that they have bastardized the word out of its original meaning. That's why I used scare quotes.

 

[masaraksh]

Well, take for example, Fox News. Many of their viewers want to hear the ridiculousness be debunked. Fox creates a strong, unified audience by being the ones to call them out themselves. The crazier they make universities out to be, the more conservatives flock to Fox news shows. Expressing the fact that a large faction of students disagree with the micro-aggression people takes away the story. Likewise for liberal media outlets who cater to SJWs who want to hear how people are being victimized

And the CMC dean said "students who don't fit the CMC mold." Which is a 100% distasteful phrasing, but it was absolutely clear that she had no bad intention (the dean said that she would love to meet with the student to discuss how they could make CMC a more welcoming place for those who don't fit the mold)

I mean, that phrasing is pretty out of line.

 

[Demosthenes1]

Why do you think I put hegemony in scare quotes?

I'm aware that the word has a clear meaning, esp. in international relations, that is not at all how feminists use the word. I'm aware that they have bastardized the word out of its original meaning. That's why I used scare quotes.

Feminists use the word in the context of masculinity.
The concept of girls being socialised differently than boys, and this having an impact on career and position isn't controversial or even up for debate, its a well-known fact in Western society.
Also: I was joking, hoping to break up the anti-PC bitterness so common in these kinds of threads.

 

[efle]

I mean, that phrasing is pretty out of line.

Yeah but if you want to fix things you should attack people for racist/sexist/whatever intent, not people that mean well and just butcher the phrasing in one communication

 

[sloop]

Feminists use the word in the context of masculinity.
The concept of girls being socialised differently than boys, and this having an impact on career and position isn't controversial or even up for debate, its a well-known fact in Western society.
Also: I was joking, hoping to break up the anti-PC bitterness so common in these kinds of threads.

Just because you say something isn't controversial or up for debate doesn't make it the case. Of course, among sociology professors and some circles of academics it may not be up for debate, but it is certainly a controversy among broader populations.

First of all, hegemony had a clear definition before cooped by sociologists and feminists and that was essentially "a state of political or economic predominance by one nation over other nations in a region." Secondly, feminists do not use hegemony as a subtle sphere-of-influence type relationship between a ruling class and a lower class. The point that modern feminism attempts to make is that women want something other than what they make for themselves and are being blocked at every turn—that they are being explicitly oppressed by a society with real imposed barriers to their ascendency. Further, the assertion that the social roles women perform is mostly or even largely imposed is not clear at all. Feminists expect men and women to want the same things in a society free from external imposition of roles and see any evidence of disparity as evidence of such imposed roles. I don't think this is an argument that operates from an accurate premise.

 

[Dave89]

If this were my class, I would be embarrassed of my medical school for the rest of my life.

 

[efle]

I would still find it difficult to be embarrassed to have attended Yale lol

 

[Goro]

Reading about the foolishness of the Yalies reminds me of a time when I interviewed at Yale for a post-doc position. I was struck by how it was an armed camp (given the high crime rate in New Haven). Perhaps the campus police could disappear for a while and let the overprivileged see what macroagression looks like?

I have to count my blessings. I have some students who are so thin-skinned that you can see their internal organs. But even THEY never made complaints or demands like the YMS students!

 

[Doudline]

It has way too many trigger words, will definitely need a safe place after reading it.

Yes, I'm clearly the triggered one here.

 

[Scottpilot]

http://medicine.yale.edu/education/omca/diversity/

After reading Yale's SOM Office of Multicultural Affairs website, something just isn't adding up. A few quotes:

"The Yale University School of Medicine has made a strong commitment to training underrepresented minority physicians and scientists."

"The Yale graduate LGBT community is incredibly vibrant, diverse, connected, and focused on inclusiveness.....I have been continuously surprised at how well rounded and fulfilling LGBT life is at Yale." - Benjamin Margolis, YSM 2014

Last year, 44.1% of applicants to Yale were female, yet 51% of the class was female.
At least over 20% of the Yale class is Hispanic and African-American. Not sure the racial breakdown of the applicants to Yale, but 13% of applicants to all medical schools were Hispanic and African-American.

Sounds incredibly "oppressive" to me.....

 

[Doudline]

http://medicine.yale.edu/education/omca/diversity/

After reading Yale's SOM Office of Multicultural Affairs website, something just isn't adding up. A few quotes:

"The Yale University School of Medicine has made a strong commitment to training underrepresented minority physicians and scientists."

"The Yale graduate LGBT community is incredibly vibrant, diverse, connected, and focused on inclusiveness.....I have been continuously surprised at how well rounded and fulfilling LGBT life is at Yale." - Benjamin Margolis, YSM 2014

Last year, 44.1% of applicants to Yale were female, yet 51% of the class was female.
At least over 20% of the Yale class is Hispanic and African-American. Not sure the racial breakdown of the applicants to Yale, but 13% of applicants to all medical schools were Hispanic and African-American.

Sounds incredibly "oppressive" to me.....

The OP speaks of representation among personnel, residents and faculty, though. Not students.

 

[efle]

Well, the way to fix it for residents and faculty is to make your med student classes balanced, which med schools are already doing. Just gotta wait it out

 

[235009]

This is a great read that summarizes the ridiculousness of actions like those taken by the med students at Yale: http://www.wsj.com/articles/closed-minds-on-campus-1448634626

 

[Lucrezia]

The whole Halloween e-mail debacle was so cringe-worthy. I don't know if anybody watched the video?



This is just part of the video which shows a Yale undergraduate student aggressively admonish a College Master for the heinous crime of his wife writing a (rather polite and reasonable) e-mail disagreeing with forced censorship of student Halloween costumes, instead suggesting that students should be allowed to make their own judgment call (shocking). For this crime the man is told he is "disgusting" and that he "should not sleep at night"

To quote Bill Maher on this topic - Who raised these little monsters?

 

[Psai]

It's very interesting how the calls for diversity seem to sound like "I require more people that look and think just like me."

 

[Dave89]

I would still find it difficult to be embarrassed to have attended Yale lol

I lost respect for the Ivies a long time ago. If anything, I'm more inclined to think favorably of someone who went to Random State U - it demonstrates a certain degree of cost-consciousness. And yes, I know that some who attend Ivies are on scholarships.

 

[petyr_baelish]

The whole Halloween e-mail debacle was so cringe-worthy. I don't know if anybody watched the video?



This is just part of the video which shows a Yale undergraduate student aggressively admonish a College Master for the heinous crime of his wife writing a (rather polite and reasonable) e-mail disagreeing with forced censorship of student Halloween costumes, instead suggesting that students should be allowed to make their own judgment call (shocking). For this crime the man is told he is "disgusting" and that he "should not sleep at night"

To quote Bill Maher on this topic - Who raised these little monsters?

I just watched all the videos associated with this incident and I'm flabbergasted. I didn't know what started it when I started watching so my assumption was that the university had tried to enforce rules about appropriate costumes, but NO, it's the opposite! The university gave them free reign which offended people. So these SJWs would rather the university not give them the freedom to wear whatever costume they like and exercise their own judgement.

It's infuriating how the protesting student screams that the Master should step down and get fired simply because he says he disagrees. The yelling at a hint of disagreement is anti-intellectual at best. But I'm thinking it was a malicious tactic to get other students to join in on the outrage. A student in the background does yell very loudly in response, saying "you should be our advocate." I'm just glad that a mob didn't form. This is the kind of stuff that starts mobs.

I was particularly appalled by the student who demanded an apology and when the Master didn't automatically comply, they criticized him. He tried to explain that he fundamentally disagrees and wants to think more about the situation but since he doesn't instantly apologize, he is persecuted.

I don't think Yale will stop these people because the idea of a university is to express whatever ideas you want freely (assuming you go about it with some integrity). As it was said earlier in the thread, only the larger culture will change things.

 

[IlDestriero]

The only thing missing is a proposed plan for the 1% to pay for it somehow.

 

[Scottpilot]

@Doudline Guess this is why I need to read the original piece. From the ops posting, I got that s/he was talking about students. It is completely possible that I'm mis-understanding...I didn't think residents were considered students.

Regardless they are calling for change which would affect both residents and students. My argument is that it seems Yale already has a fairly inclusive environment (at least on paper), though I do believe there should be an anonymous reporting system; however, on the same token people can become "trigger happy" with such a system, as I have seen at my school.

Below is how I was reading Ops posting

"In the letter, students described ways in which the “formal curriculum” of the medical school misrepresents and underrepresents people of color while remaining silent on the way in which medicine is complicit in propagating health disparities. Students added that the “hidden curriculum” — learning done outside the classroom — forces students of color to bear microaggressions perpetrated by peers and instructors and to work within a community where women and people of color are underrepresented within the faculty and student body."


"Among the measures demanded were the creation and maintenance of a “genuinely inclusive” learning environment. To achieve this end, students called for an online bias reporting system through which they could report incidents of inappropriate behavior. The results of this system would be monitored in real time and used to hold offending parties accountable and inform retraining and curricula for the school’s community."

"The letter also demanded increased diversity among the school’s faculty. It called for the creation of a joint initiative between the medical school and Yale-New Haven Hospital aimed at increasing the recruitment and retention of female, minority and LGBTQ residents and faculty, as well as the creation of a visiting rotation clerkship program for students from underrepresented groups."

 

[IlDestriero]

"The letter also demanded increased diversity among the school’s faculty. It called for the creation of a joint initiative between the medical school and Yale-New Haven Hospital aimed at increasing the recruitment and retention of female, minority and LGBTQ residents and faculty, as well as the creation of a visiting rotation clerkship program for students from underrepresented groups."

So I guess this means that I should say that even though I have a wife and family, I'm questioning my sexuality to help me get a faculty job at Yale?
Oh wait, I would never want to work for Yale.
These people really are misguided and they should know better.

 

[PL198]

The only thing missing is a proposed plan for the 1% to pay for it somehow.

just wait a week and that'll be tacked on

 

[Scottpilot]

So I guess this means that I should say that even though I have a wife and family, I'm questioning my sexuality to help me get a faculty job at Yale?
Oh wait, I would never want to work for Yale.
These people really are misguided and they should know better.

I commented only on the student portion because as a student, how would I know what is best for faculty and residents, or what they need. It's like a pre-med asking a medical student if they've heard of First Aid and then proceeding to give advice on how to study for Step 1.

 

[TBV]

Don't see any of these white med students willing to give their class seat for a minority though? Damn kids should at least commit to the cause if they're going to be SJWs.

 

[deleted393595]

Social justice warfare has nothing to do with solving real problems and has everything to do with people trying to escape the constraints of their own bleeding heart identity politics. These people live in a simplistic world of black and white: rich vs poor, black vs white, men vs women, patriarchy and "hegemony." They are the beneficiaries of the very types of privilege that they vilify and the only way to escape their own wrath is to claim clemency as the advocates of the powerless.

+1. Besides feigning outrage, what have any of those SJWs done to improve their communities? Have they gone and tutored kids in low-income minority-dominated areas? Have they fought to improve inner-city public school systems? They care more about making noise to attract attention rather than actually fixing real-world problems.

 

[cbrons]

Alpern should just dump the entire class. Bunch of whiny babies. Crap like this is happening at my school too. Honestly makes our entire profession look worse.

Oh its happening here too. The dumb children in the M1 class recently sent an email saying that they were upset that the diversity seminars they made prior classes suffer through were now no longer mandatory. They werent mad the seminars were cancelled, they were mad that they didnt force everyone to attend! Lol.

 

[TooMuchResearch]

Interest in Yale is decreasing more by the second. Though I'm sure New Haven is lovely...

I'm losing interest in joining a group without an explicit "no Yale grads" hiring policy.

 

[PL198]

+1. Besides feigning outrage, what have any of those SJWs done to improve their communities? Have they gone and tutored kids in low-income minority-dominated areas? Have they fought to improve inner-city public school systems? They care more about making noise to attract attention rather than actually fixing real-world problems.

they never do things on their own as volunteers, if everyone isn't required to do them then why should they?

how many liberals do you know that give the government extra money every year by choice, even though they campaign to raise taxes?

 

[cbrons]

Can you imagine getting a beer with any of these all stars? Holy ****. Obama, liberal America. Pretty soon they're going to go on hunger strikes if the faculty doesn't include members of the Syrian refugee population. Some of those students might actually post here. Probably the posters defending no longer using the title Doctor.

Using the title doctor is a microaggression.


Then again so is their Stalinist proposal to show trial anyone that offends the Diversity gestapo they are trying to create (basically white people and asians most likely)

 

[Krupke]

+1. Besides feigning outrage, what have any of those SJWs done to improve their communities? Have they gone and tutored kids in low-income minority-dominated areas? Have they fought to improve inner-city public school systems? They care more about making noise to attract attention rather than actually fixing real-world problems.

Well that's an unfair statement. Admittedly, there are SJWs who focus solely on microaggressions and they are useless, but there are people who dedicate themselves to real issues, in addition to microaggressions, and have made good contributions to their communities.

 

[typoncho]

The whole Halloween e-mail debacle was so cringe-worthy. I don't know if anybody watched the video?



This is just part of the video which shows a Yale undergraduate student aggressively admonish a College Master for the heinous crime of his wife writing a (rather polite and reasonable) e-mail disagreeing with forced censorship of student Halloween costumes, instead suggesting that students should be allowed to make their own judgment call (shocking). For this crime the man is told he is "disgusting" and that he "should not sleep at night"

To quote Bill Maher on this topic - Who raised these little monsters?

It's just comical that she demands a weak sauce "safe space" and comfort while aggressively screaming (some might say) at the guy. It's confusing: Are you a lion or a sheep? I'll answer that: You are a weak a** sheep and a child.

 

[PL198]

The whole Halloween e-mail debacle was so cringe-worthy. I don't know if anybody watched the video?



This is just part of the video which shows a Yale undergraduate student aggressively admonish a College Master for the heinous crime of his wife writing a (rather polite and reasonable) e-mail disagreeing with forced censorship of student Halloween costumes, instead suggesting that students should be allowed to make their own judgment call (shocking). For this crime the man is told he is "disgusting" and that he "should not sleep at night"

To quote Bill Maher on this topic - Who raised these little monsters?

She will likely face no backlash for what was clearly an actual instance of unprofessionalism, meanwhile any student on opposite side of spectrum would get hit with a penalty for something 1/100th as serious as this

 

[efle]

This all reminds me of the South Park episode on "Safe Space"

 

[CyberMaxx]

I think its important to remember that this video is of a collage student on her university's campus. I agree that the culture at Yale out of which this outburst arose seems creepy and repressive, but I don't think its fair to focus too much on this girl because after all we all probably did things at 19 which would make us look pretty bad if it was on YouTube. Ignoring her specifically though and just looking at the attitude of the students in this video is pretty unbelievable, especially in light of the email which they are upset about which is probably one of the most reasonable and mild persuasive papers ever written.

 

[netminder]

Interest in Yale is decreasing more by the second. Though I'm sure New Haven is lovely...

Folks, let's keep some perspective. Based on what I've seen recently, interest in Yale is alive and well. I respect the opinions of those more in the know than I am, of course, but the time I've spent there showed me that lots of talented people (and a diverse group of them, I would add) are very interested in Yale -- and justifiably so. The place seems to be among the most committed to diversity of any place I have been. I would love to be there. I hope these angry students get their questions answered, but at least at the med school, from what I saw, the students are happy and the residents are terrific. And also, New Haven is lovely from what I saw. The people were so welcoming. Please don't bash this great institution. The faculty there (at YSM and YNHH, at least) seem to care so much about patients, residents, and students -- even those who aren't their own. Go Bulldogs!

 

[Goro]

To paraphrase George Will, "At Yale they're for diversity in everything but thought."

It's very interesting how the calls for diversity seem to sound like "I require more people that look and think just like me."

 

[Mad Jack]

Interest in Yale is decreasing more by the second. Though I'm sure New Haven is lovely...

It's actually a great place to work. Dat New Haven tho...

 

[IlDestriero]

It would not be a good place for me to work. YMMV.

 

[Goro]

And just when you thought it couldn't possibly get any worse (from today's News of the Wierd) (http://www.newsoftheweird.com/archive/index.html):


Watch Your Language: (1) Recently added to the list of words and phrases to be officially discouraged on campus, according to the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee's website: "political correctness." The phrase is said to be a "microaggression" that might make some students feel uncomfortable or unsafe if they hear it or read it. (2) In November, the University of Vermont held a (voluntary) three-day "retreat" open only to students who "self-identify as white," so that they can study the implications of "white privilege" in society (e.g., "what does it mean to be white?" and "how does whiteness impact you?"). [CampusReform.org, 10-21-2015] [CampusReform.org, 11-18-2015]

 

[FlowRate]

Agreed. I'll be at school minding my own damn business and worrying about things that actually matter (STEP 1) and it won't be long until im encouraged to attend some dumb rally about someone who feels "wronged." Oh yeah, then those people proceed to give me dirty looks and judge me because I don't care.

Worse, we'd constantly have lecture interrupted by people "calling out" microaggressions from slides. Including the huge fiasco where the STD slide showing a heterosexual couple was criticized for being too heteronormative.

Whenever I hear people talk about microgressions, I remember sitting and chatting with my neuro attending, who told me about how he was the first Black person admitted to his medical school, the grind it required to prove he belonged, and the great personal/professional risks taken by the White faculty who advocated for him to be there, and the initial struggle in establishing himself as a resident and an attending due to his race.

 

[Psai]

Worse, we'd constantly have lecture interrupted by people "calling out" microaggressions from slides. Including the huge fiasco where the STD slide showing a heterosexual couple was criticized for being too heteronormative.

This can't be real life.

 

[efle]

Probably the worst offender is the trigger warnings movement though, since the field of psych supports exposure and says that kind of constant avoidance is actually detrimental to those struggling with phobia or PTSD

 

[FlowRate]

This can't be real life.

It spawned a petition and signatures and angry emails and asking for an apology and a more inclusive slide deck in the future.

So now the slide deck has a MM, MF, and FF couple.

Maybe someone will decide that's still too normative, and there should be a MI??FQ open relationship.

 

[FindMeOnTheLinks]

And just when you thought it couldn't possibly get any worse (from today's News of the Wierd) (http://www.newsoftheweird.com/archive/index.html):


Watch Your Language: (1) Recently added to the list of words and phrases to be officially discouraged on campus, according to the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee's website: "political correctness." The phrase is said to be a "microaggression" that might make some students feel uncomfortable or unsafe if they hear it or read it. (2) In November, the University of Vermont held a (voluntary) three-day "retreat" open only to students who "self-identify as white," so that they can study the implications of "white privilege" in society (e.g., "what does it mean to be white?" and "how does whiteness impact you?"). [CampusReform.org, 10-21-2015] [CampusReform.org, 11-18-2015]

This literally makes me want to puke. Literally.

 

[charmiedermie]

Yes, I'm clearly the triggered one here.

I think people are just laughing and ridiculing, not triggered.

 

[charmiedermie]

The only thing missing is a proposed plan for the 1% to pay for it somehow.

They have the Million Student March for that (not joking).

 

[charmiedermie]

The whole Halloween e-mail debacle was so cringe-worthy. I don't know if anybody watched the video?



This is just part of the video which shows a Yale undergraduate student aggressively admonish a College Master for the heinous crime of his wife writing a (rather polite and reasonable) e-mail disagreeing with forced censorship of student Halloween costumes, instead suggesting that students should be allowed to make their own judgment call (shocking). For this crime the man is told he is "disgusting" and that he "should not sleep at night"

The scariest part of the video, not including where she drops her backpack, gets up in his face, shouts the F word in his face, is where she says, "It is not about creating an intellectual space! It is not! Do you understand that? It's about creating a home here! You are not doing that. You're going against that." That should send shivers down the spine of any professor or administrator who works for a university.