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[deleted171991]

I favor progressive taxation, for the reasons you describe. I also favor an estate tax, which is one way to curb the growth of the multigenerational aristocracy we've built here after working so hard to say FU to British royalty and then robber barons a while back. Neither are really "fair" to the ultra wealthy.

Funny thing, I favor a big estate tax, too. While it's not fair to punish high-earners for their hard work and success in life, I don't see the reason why future generations deserve the same treatment. I believe in equal decent (not special) chances for everybody. Plus it's definitely better for any democracy to not have an upper class. Nobody should be thousands and even millions times richer than the poorest members of the society; at least not in a democracy.

There is a sadly so true statement in "Jupiter Ascending": "every human society tends to be like a pyramid". I would say that comes with human nature, but it's our job, as decent human beings, to at least try to flatten it.

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[GravelRider]

Also called socialism or, in its more extreme form, communism. There is a reason why neither of those systems has been really successful in human history, and why the United States did historically so well while it ignored them.

A suppose a progressive tax system is a socialist policy because it does involve some redistribution of wealth, but we already have plenty of socialist programs in place (social security, Medicare, Medicaid, farming subsidies, etc...). How else are we going to fund them?

A progressive tax system isn't even close to being communism.

 

[deleted171991]

A progressive tax system isn't even close to being communism.

That's like saying racism is not even close to slavery.

 

[fakin' the funk]

...a flat tax doesn't work. Let's say we make everyone pay a 20% tax rate. That 20% affects the person making 50k a year a lot more than the person making $1 million a year even though it feels more "fair."

No it doesn't. It's 20% for both. The low earner pays $10k, the high earner $200k. How's the low earner affected more again?

 

[deleted171991]

No one likes taxes, but they are not discriminatory. They are necessary for us to function as a country. I think a good place to start would be closing loopholes that allow the wealthy to hide money and pay less taxes and creating stiff penalties for corporations or people who are caught.

Those loopholes are there so the top 1% doesn't pay even more than the almost 40% of the nation's tax income it's already paying. Is this fair to you, 1% paying 37.5% of all the nation's income tax (after the loopholes)? Or 47% not paying ****? Not to me.

That's how you get angry Trumpists, and a divided society, by the way. Some people just can't stand other's people success, and they call it social "justice". I call it mostly envy. (If it weren't the latter, people would plead for a high estate tax, not income tax.)

 

[GravelRider]

No it doesn't. It's 20% for both. The low earner pays $10k, the high earner $200k. How's the low earner affected more again?

That $10,000 means a lot more to the person earning $50k than the person paying $200,000 off his $1 million. Let's not forget the ability to invest have your money work for you and earn compounding interest. The person earning $1 million can turn his $800k into a much larger sum when compared to the guy with $40k after taxes. In the end, it's about opportunity.

Let's also not forget a progressive tax does not include all of your earnings at the higher rate. Let's say $500k is the cut off...anything above $500k would be taxed higher, but your earnings to that point are taxed at a lower rate.

 

[deleted171991]

That $10,000 means a lot more to the person earning $50k than the person paying $200,000 off his $1 million. Let's not forget the ability to invest have your money work for you and earn compounding interest. The person earning $1 million can turn his $800k into a much larger sum when compared to the guy with $40k after taxes. In the end, it's about opportunity.

Let's also not forget a progressive tax does not include all of your earnings at the higher rate. Let's say $500k is the cut off...anything above $500k would be taxed higher, but your earnings to that point are taxed at a lower rate.

The main reason we don't have opportunities is because we like to vote ourselves some pork (i.e. higher deductions for us, higher taxes for others), instead of subsidizing college etc.

It's not because this country couldn't already afford them (e.g. if we stopped spending tons on various wars).

 

[Onefellswoop87]

Actually, there are more White people in poverty than any other race in the USA when looking at total numbers. http://www.nccp.org/media/releases/release_34.html

Your argument has multiple logical fallacies for affirmative action based upon race including:

1) SES argument would be valid if we gave "affirmative action" based on low SES compared to race. Why should we use affirmative action based on racial concerns? Your argument was concerning SES rather than "race".

2) White males are currently underrepresented in medical school classes as a percentage of the population. How long do we continue affirmative action to disadvantage a group that is ALREADY unrepresented as a percentage?

3) White/Asian males who are from the poorer/middle class are at a disadvantage against richer White women/"underrepresented" minorties when it comes to admission to college/med school/etc. Why should an Asian immigrant who is poor be wait listed at a UC system school compared to an upper middle class White woman who had lower MCAT scores?

Remember, Affirmative action's biggest recipients are actually White females. How can one justify giving White females, who are often of higher SES class preference over recent Asian immigrants for instance that live in 2 bedroom homes with 10 people?

My "personal" stories represent the vast majority of the AA cases.

SES is the most readily quantifiable "symptom" of racial and cultural disparity. So AA (admittedly not a perfect system) as been given based on race and culture. Life is more complex than just SES, but it is relatively easy to put into data. Maybe AA still has a place as there is well documented discrimination against minorities when applying to jobs: persons with ethnic names with the same resumes receive less call backs (unfortunately I could only access the abstract of this article: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=422902) & Here is a full article comparing males and females with the same resume: http://www.pnas.org/content/109/41/16474.full.pdf

I'm just trying to show you a different side that AA is about leveling the playing field and righting wrongs of society. I wish it didn't have a place and people were blinded to outside appearance and we could live like MLK Jr. wanted us to, but that's not reality.

From your link:
The NCCP fact sheet shows that among America’s poor children, 4.2 million are white, 4 million are Latino, 3.6 million are African American, 400,000 are Asian, and 200,000 are American Indian. While the figures indicate that indeed more white children are poor, they also show, however, that higher percentages of minorities live in poor families."

That's why we don't look at total numbers when comparing different populations of different sizes. That's statistics 101 level stuff there.


I don't have a great answer to #2 because I don't have data to cite on those but to speculate, maybe until the makeup of physicians represents the cultural make up of the US? I'm not sure.

And #3 sounds like a very specific personal question to take up with the UC school system that you might be harboring resentment from when you applied.

Your "personal" stories (not sure why you put the quotes there, does that mean they are made up?) are purely anecdotes. Again, that's not data.

 

[GravelRider]

Those loopholes are there so the top 1% doesn't pay even more than the almost 40% of the nation's tax income it's already paying. Is this fair to you, 1% paying 37.5% of all the nation's income tax (after the loopholes)? Or 47% not paying ****? Not to me.

That's how you get angry Trumpists, and a divided society, by the way. Some people just can't stand other's people success.

I'm not sure I follow you here.

 

[deleted171991]

And #3 sounds like a very specific personal question to take up with the UC school system that you might be harboring resentment from when you applied.

Your "personal" stories (not sure why you put the quotes there, does that mean they are made up?) are purely anecdotes. Again, that's not data.

Don't fool yourself; it's data. It's data to the level that Asian applicants are consistently discriminated against in college applications, for "diversity" purposes.

A 2009 study by the National Study of College Experience shows that an Asian applicant must score 140 points higher than White applicants, 320 points higher than Hispanic applicants, and 450 points higher than Black applicants on the SAT to be viewed in an equal light.

Furthermore, statistics show that the number of Asian applicants to Ivy League colleges has tripled since 1993, yet the proportion of Asians in respect to the student body has stagnated around 18–20%. As a result, speculations of an “Asian quota” have surfaced, which have escalated into discrimination lawsuits from several groups including the Asian American Coalition.

The fact that it's lawful doesn't make it right.

 

[DrCommonSense]

SES is the most readily quantifiable "symptom" of racial and cultural disparity. So AA (admittedly not a perfect system) as been given based on race and culture. Life is more complex than just SES, but it is relatively easy to put into data. Maybe AA still has a place as there is well documented discrimination against minorities when applying to jobs: persons with ethnic names with the same resumes receive less call backs (unfortunately I could only access the abstract of this article: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=422902) & Here is a full article comparing males and females with the same resume: http://www.pnas.org/content/109/41/16474.full.pdf

I'm just trying to show you a different side that AA is about leveling the playing field and righting wrongs of society. I wish it didn't have a place and people were blinded to outside appearance and we could live like MLK Jr. wanted us to, but that's not reality.

From your link:
The NCCP fact sheet shows that among America’s poor children, 4.2 million are white, 4 million are Latino, 3.6 million are African American, 400,000 are Asian, and 200,000 are American Indian. While the figures indicate that indeed more white children are poor, they also show, however, that higher percentages of minorities live in poor families."

That's why we don't look at total numbers when comparing different populations of different sizes. That's statistics 101 level stuff there.


I don't have a great answer to #2 because I don't have data to cite on those but to speculate, maybe until the makeup of physicians represents the cultural make up of the US? I'm not sure.

And #3 sounds like a very specific personal question to take up with the UC school system that you might be harboring resentment from when you applied.

Your "personal" stories (not sure why you put the quotes there, does that mean they are made up?) are purely anecdotes. Again, that's not data.

Yes people usually habor "resentment" when they score 7+ points higher on the MCAT than other applicants that get in through Affirmative Action in the name of "social justice" at our expense.

You still haven't answered my question except for going back to slavery. My question about AA was VERY clear:

Why should all these minority groups and White women obtain AA privilege when they weren't ever affected by slavery or even "systemic racism" since they got here in the last 20-30 years?

Your argument about "slavery" only applies to AA applicants whose ancestors were slaves. That is the VAST minority of AA admits.

 

[deleted171991]

I'm not sure I follow you here.

If it's about the latter part of my post, it's not just the top 1% who are discriminated against. It's most of the 53% who pay taxes in this country. Nothing pisses off more than the entitlement and complaints of those who are already positively discriminated.

 

[DrCommonSense]

If it's about the latter part of my post, it's not just the top 1% who are discriminated against. It's most of the 53% who pay taxes in this country. Nothing pisses off more than the entitlement and complaints of those who are already positively discriminated.

Everybody hates to be shortchanged, whatever the rationalization on the other side. That's why affirmative action has so many non-racist adversaries. I would actually argue that positive discrimination policies based on race are racist by definition.

Actually, when you break down the top "1%", its the people who earn through INCOME that are literally being financially RAPED with basically the highest tax rates in history (particularly when adding NY or CA taxes on top of it).

However, the billionaire class that takes its money in the form of capital gains/dividends are paying way under the middle class rate.

Hillary Clinton's "solution" to this problem was to TAX the INCOME >100K at much higher rates.

Ergo, Hillary was just going to increase EXTREMELY high taxes on middle to upper middle class income earners while leaving the billionaire class alone with very low tax rates.

DNC 101

 

[deleted171991]

Everybody hates to be shortchanged, whatever the rationalization on the other side. That's why affirmative action has so many non-racist adversaries. I would actually argue that positive discrimination policies based on race are racist by definition.

 

[GravelRider]

If it's about the latter part of my post, it's not just the top 1% who are discriminated against. It's most of the 53% who pay taxes in this country. Nothing pisses off more than the entitlement and complaints of those who are already positively discriminated.

Everybody hates to be shortchanged, whatever the rationalization on the other side. That's why affirmative action has so many non-racist adversaries.

I don't disagree with you. However, it is impossible to help one group without another group feeling slighted. Don't forget that Southern farmers felt like they were discriminated against when Lincoln ended slavery.

 

[DrCommonSense]

I don't disagree with you. However, it is impossible to help one group without another group feeling slighted. Don't forget that Southern farmers felt like they were discriminated against when Lincoln ended slavery.

Once again you go back to the slavery canard without mentioning that >95+% of the people benefiting from AA have no ancestors that were ever slaves.

 

[deleted171991]

I don't disagree with you. However, it is impossible to help one group without another group feeling slighted. Don't forget that Southern farmers felt like they were discriminated against when Lincoln ended slavery.

(Yeah, poor Southern slave-owners... I am so sorry for them... And for all the human garbage in history... Poor people... May they rest in pieces.)

So then let's not help groups and special interests. Let's help individuals, based on their needs, and equally, regardless of race, ethnicity etc., like with Medicare and Medicaid. And without imposing an excessive burden on those who actually pay for it (e.g. almost 40% marginal tax, 50% if you include some state taxes, plus SS tax on top of the 50%, plus Medicare tax...). And without BS rationalizations like "social justice", "atonement" etc.

This is not slighting. This is robbery. You can call it "progressive", if you like euphemisms. Gee, why don't you contribute your nice car or house to my "welfare", to "atone" for all the anti-immigrant sentiment?

There can be no justice if it's unjust to others. For example, only a small percentage of all the whites in this country have slave-owner ancestors (and the descendants of the big slavers are probably still rich today). Why do all whites have to "atone" for those people, let's not speak about other American taxpayers or college applicants etc.? Fixing one injustice with another just makes things worse.

 

[GravelRider]

Once again you go back to the slavery canard without mentioning that >95+% of the people benefiting from AA have no ancestors that were ever slaves.

What are you talking about? Please don't interject in random parts of conversations and miss complete pieces of the discussion.

You hate affirmative action, we get it. I wasn't even talking about affirmative action.

 

[DrCommonSense]

What are you talking about? Please don't interject in random parts of conversations and miss complete pieces of the discussion.

You hate affirmative action, we get it. I wasn't even talking about affirmative action.

You keep defending affirmative action based on RACE based preference by using the strawman slavery argument, which doesn't apply to >95% of the recipients of this policy.

How do you justify the policies of across the board preferential treatment for everyone that has no slave ancestors?

The Irish were slaves at one point in history right? Why shouldn't they get AA?

The Jews were slaves in ancient Egypt as well, so they should get AA right?

Whites have millions of ancestors that were taken into slavery by the Moors, so White men/women who had ancient ancestors that were slaves deserve AA right?

Where does this end?

 

[DrCommonSense]

So then let's not help groups and special interests. Let's help individuals, based on their needs, and equally, regardless of race, ethnicity etc., like with Medicare and Medicaid. And without imposing an excessive burden on those who actually pay for it (e.g. almost 40% marginal tax, 50% if you include some state taxes, plus SS tax on top of the 50%, plus Medicare tax...). And without BS rationalizations like "social justice", "atonement" etc.

This is not slighting. This is robbery. You can call it "progressive", if you like euphemisms. Gee, why don't you contribute your nice car or house to my "welfare", to "atone" for all the anti-immigrant sentiment?

There can be no justice if it's unjust to others. For example, only a small percentage of all the whites in this country have slave-owner ancestors (and the descendants of the big slavers are probably still rich today). Why do all whites have to "atone" for those people, let's not speak about all of the current non-Caucasian Americans? Fixing one injustice with another just makes things worse.

Yes but then these groups that have unfairly obtained privilege would have to compete on equal terms.

Do people with major levels of privilege usually give this up without a fight? Never seen that before in most of history, hence the radical attacks about "racism" or "sexism" to justify their privilege that fail even basic logical scrutiny.

 

[Onefellswoop87]

Don't fool yourself; it's data. It's data to the level that Asian applicants are consistently discriminated against in college applications, for "diversity" purposes.

I'm happy to admit when I'm wrong or when I'm presented with new information, but his scenarios are the opposite of the data you presented. Your data shows it is more difficult for Asian American to be admitted, yet his anecdote is about Asian Americans getting preferential treatment. His other anecdotes are about wealthy immigrants and other seemingly random examples.

Yes people usually habor "resentment" when they score 7+ points higher on the MCAT than other applicants that get in through Affirmative Action in the name of "social justice" at our expense.

You still haven't answered my question except for going back to slavery. My question about AA was VERY clear:

Why should all these minority groups and White women obtain AA privilege when they weren't ever affected by slavery or even "systemic racism" since they got here in the last 20-30 years?

Your argument about "slavery" only applies to AA applicants whose ancestors were slaves. That is the VAST minority of AA admits.

I answered it the best I could, as your specific question was about physicians. That's what you asked me.

But why do we have to tread all the way back to slavery as the rationale? We are still a relatively young country and the civil rights era and institutionalized racism is still in living people's mind. I don't know how to make a colorblind society or if there is a way to "force colorblindness" or if that's even right.

But take a moment to look at the original wording, as it only applied to direct government recipients:
From JFK's Executive Order 10925 of 1961: "The contractor will take affirmative action to ensure that applicants are employed, and that employees are treated during employment, without regard to their race, creed, color, or national origin."
& From the 1964 Civil Rights Act: "In administering a program regarding which the recipient [of federal funding] has previously discriminated against persons on the ground of race, color, or national origin, the recipient must take affirmative action to overcome the effects of prior discrimination.

There isn't a law of affirmative action. But a general guidance that if we, as a federal government, systematically wrong you in the past, we, as a federal government, owe it to you (2nd person plural) to right those wrongs of the past. I don't have a great answer of when to end AA. But when slavery ended, institutional and government backed racism didn't end that day in America. It's effects continued for a few years. And we, as a country, did countless wrongs to the Native Americans and Asian Americans and others throughout history. See as recent as the Japanese Americans in WWII. Gays weren't given their full rights to serve in the military until recently. It was not only blacks as slaves that our government wasn't very nice to.

And please don't twist my words that I'm arguing for affirmative action for every subculture. I'm just trying to show you it's more than just slaves that our government has wronged and is trying to take affirmative action to makes amends for. I get it's a touchy subject but I think the intention is reasonable. Of course the implantation could be made better. But I'm also only discussing AA from the federal government.

 

[deleted171991]

I'm happy to admit when I'm wrong or when I'm presented with new information, but his scenarios are the opposite of the data you presented. Your data shows it is more difficult for Asian American to be admitted, yet his anecdote is about Asian Americans getting preferential treatment. His other anecdotes are about wealthy immigrants and other seemingly random examples.

I am not arguing his positions. We might agree on a few things, but our values mostly disagree. And the opposite for you and @GravelRider.

I am quite socially tolerant and fiscally frugal, so I can dis/agree on some issues with both democrats and republicans, Trumpists and never-Trumpists, and many others. It's probably the best way to make everybody hate love hate me.

 

[GravelRider]

You keep defending affirmative action based on RACE based preference by using the strawman slavery argument, which doesn't apply to >95% of the recipients of this policy.

How do you justify the policies of across the board preferential treatment for everyone that has no slave ancestors?

The Irish were slaves at one point in history right? Why shouldn't they get AA?

The Jews were slaves in ancient Egypt as well, so they should get AA right?

Whites have millions of ancestors that were taken into slavery by the Moors, so White men/women who had ancient ancestors that were slaves deserve AA right?

Where does this end?

I wasn't even talking about affirmative action. I won't respond to your post until you demonstrate to me that you were following the entire conversation.

 

[bashwell]

Ignoring personal politics, this has been the year of the underdog or upsets: Trump, Brexit, the Cubs, Leicester City.

 

[DrCommonSense]

I am not arguing his positions. We might agree on a few things, but our values mostly disagree. And the opposite for you and @GravelRider.

I am quite socially tolerant and fiscally frugal, so I can dis/agree on some issues with both democrats and republicans, Trumpists and never-Trumpists, and many others. It's probably the best way to make everybody hate love hate me.

Dont know but I thought I argued that Asian males are discriminated AGAINST with affirmative action like 10 times? Don't know how they changed it to me saying Asian males are privileged?

No one seems to be arguing for all these other "subcultures" receiving AA yet here we are with the same groups getting it consistently.

My "example" was of an ARAB immigrant not an Asian male.

Get with the "underrepresented" minorities stick.

 

[deleted171991]

Completely off-topic, just shocking: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/pressrelease/pbs-newshour-co-anchor-gwen-ifill-dies-61/ . Plus we're more like chatting here, anyway.

It is with extremely heavy hearts that we must share that our dear friend and beloved colleague Gwen Ifill passed away this afternoon following several months of cancer treatment. She was surrounded by loving family and many friends whom we ask that you keep in your thoughts and prayers.

A note from Sara Just, PBS NewsHour executive producer and WETA SVP

“Gwen was a standard bearer for courage, fairness and integrity in an industry going through seismic change. She was a mentor to so many across the industry and her professionalism was respected across the political spectrum. She was a journalist’s journalist and set an example for all around her.

So many people in the audience felt that they knew and adored her. She had a tremendous combination of warmth and authority. She was stopped on the street routinely by people who just wanted to give her a hug and considered her a friend after years of seeing her on tv.

We will forever miss her terribly.”

 

[DrCommonSense]

Completely off-topic, just shocking: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/pressrelease/pbs-newshour-co-anchor-gwen-ifill-dies-61/ . Plus we're more like chatting here, anyway.



Oliver is right: 2016 has been a truly ****ty year.
So many people in the audience felt that they knew and adored her. She had a tremendous combination of warmth and authority. She was stopped on the street routinely by people who just wanted to give her a hug and considered her a friend after years of seeing her on tv.

We will forever miss her terribly.”

Who is that? People still watch PBS?

Rather watch RT to be honest. They have been covering the elections far more honestly than PBS/CNN/NYTimes/Wash Post/etc

 

[bashwell]

On Jimmy Kimmel's Mean Tweets, Obama's mic drop about Trump:

 

[bashwell]

"When People Laughed At The Idea Of Trump Actually Being Elected President"

 

[Onefellswoop87]

I am not arguing his positions. We might agree on a few things, but our values mostly disagree. And the opposite for you and @GravelRider.

I am quite socially tolerant and fiscally frugal, so I can dis/agree on issues with both democrats and republicans, Trumpist and never-Trumpists, left and right etc. It's probably the best way to make everybody hate love me.

I bet if we sat down with over a beer, we'd find that we probably agree quite a bit and our personal life values (socially left leaning) are more aligned than is implied by an anonymous internet forum.

Dont know but I thought I argued that Asian males are discriminated AGAINST with affirmative action like 10 times? Don't know how they changed it to me saying Asian males are privileged?

No one seems to be arguing for all these other "subcultures" receiving AA yet here we are with the same groups getting it consistently.

I really worry for your reading comprehension and your memory. First you were talking about "White/Asian males" compared to "richer White women". Too many changing variables to make any conclusion from that statement, so I disregarded it.

Then you said Asians are privileged such that they are given an acceptance to medical school over you. (To jog your memory, you wrote: "Yes people usually habor "resentment" when they score 7+ points higher on the MCAT than other applicants that get in through Affirmative Action in the name of "social justice" at our expense.") That's an Asian male not discriminated against, as you wrote it. That's privileged through AA, if there was nothing else on their application to make them a better applicant than you except their race. @FFP showed data that it is harder for them to get into college compared to whites and blacks, thus they are discriminated against. Not sure where the confusion lies.

 

[deleted171991]

Who is that? People still watch PBS?

Rather watch RT to be honest. They have been covering the elections far more honestly than PBS/CNN/NYTimes/Wash Post/etc

You mean Russia Today? That explains a lot.

RT, originally Russia Today, is a television network funded by the Russian government.[5][6] It operates cable and satellite television channels directed to audiences outside of Russia as well as providing Internet content in various languages, including Russian.

RT is a brand of "TV-Novosti", an "autonomous non-profit organization", founded by the Russian news agency, RIA Novosti, on April 6, 2005.[1][8] During the economic crisis in December 2008, the Russian Government, headed by Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, included ANO "TV-Novosti" in the list of core organizations of strategic importance of Russia.[9][10][11]

Critics regard RT as a propaganda outlet for the Russian government[12][13][14][15] and its foreign policy.[13][15][16][17]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT_(TV_network)

 

[bashwell]

WikiLeaks is the real journalism winner this year.

 

[Planktonmd]

You mean Russia Today? That explains a lot.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT_(TV_network)

Now... I really don't want to say anything politically incorrect that would upset PGG any further but it's getting to be really difficult!
Russia Today is now a source of reliable information!

 

[DrCommonSense]

I bet if we sat down with over a beer, we'd find that we probably agree quite a bit and our personal life values (socially left leaning) are more aligned than is implied by an anonymous internet forum.



I really worry for your reading comprehension and your memory. First you were talking about "White/Asian males" compared to "richer White women". Too many changing variables to make any conclusion from that statement, so I disregarded it.

Then you said Asians are privileged such that they are given an acceptance to medical school over you. (To jog your memory, you wrote: "Yes people usually habor "resentment" when they score 7+ points higher on the MCAT than other applicants that get in through Affirmative Action in the name of "social justice" at our expense.") That's an Asian male not discriminated against, as you wrote it. That's privileged through AA, if there was nothing else on their application to make them a better applicant than you except their race. @FFP showed data that it is harder for them to get into college compared to whites and blacks, thus they are discriminated against. Not sure where the confusion lies.

1) Correct I made the comparison between rural/poor/middle class White or Asian males vs White females who were upper middle class or upper class as one of my AA examples. If you don't understand the example, its not myself who has a reading comprehension problem.

2) Incorrect, I never said "Asians are privileged". When I was speaking about the 7+ MCAT difference, I was speaking about "underrepresented minorities" and "women" which DOES NOT include really east Asian males.

3) Dunno what that last part of gibberish you stated was since it was incoherent.

 

[DrCommonSense]

Now... I really don't want to say anything politically incorrect that would upset PGG any further but it's getting to be really difficult!
Russia Today is now a source of reliable information!

I consider Russia Today more reliable than PBS/NYTimes/Washington Post/CNN these days to be honest.

However, I don't consider RT to be lacking in bias either. RT gives the Putin propaganda perspective while the others work basically for the DNC,

 

[IlDestriero]

It was INITIALLY put in place to help minorities with a history of discrimination such as African Americans.

However, this program has been extended out to help out many other groups that have NEVER historically experienced racism in the USA but have been given preferential treatment in business/academia soley because of the color of their skin or gender. I find that absurd and very immoral.

Just don't take by bonus points for being a veteran away.



--
Il Destriero

 

[deleted171991]

I consider Russia Today more reliable than PBS/NYTimes/Washington Post/CNN these days to be honest.

However, I don't consider RT to be lacking in bias either. RT gives the Putin propaganda perspective while the others work basically for the DNC,

Seriously, letting an adversarial authoritarian government brainwash you on a regular basis... Holy cow!

Do you really think you are so very smart that they can't manipulate you, even subliminally? You are so wrong. They constantly fool tens of millions of Russians; they are experts in manipulation.

 

[DrCommonSense]

Seriously, letting an adversarial authoritarian government brainwash you on a regular basis... Holy cow!

I actually see Putin being less dishonest than Hillary.

How crazy is that?

RT is controlled by Putin and the NYT/Washington Post/PBS/NBC/etc are controlled by the DNC/billionaire class from America who supported the former "oligarchs" in Russia.

Both are basically equivalent with Putin actually being more patriotic to his own nation and basically being less of a war monger to boot.

 

[Onefellswoop87]

1) Correct I made the comparison between rural/poor/middle class White or Asian males vs White females who were upper middle class or upper class as one of my AA examples. If you don't understand the example, its not myself who has a reading comprehension problem.

2) Incorrect, I never said "Asians are privileged". When I was speaking about the 7+ MCAT difference, I was speaking about "underrepresented minorities" and "women" which DOES NOT include really east Asian males.

3) Dunno what that last part of gibberish you stated was since it was incoherent.

You win. I bow out of this. I give up. You are sometimes intentionally vague then when confronted it's magically clear to you and no one else what you originally meant.

 

[bashwell]

Seriously, letting an adversarial authoritarian government brainwash you on a regular basis... Holy cow!

Do you really think you are so very smart that they can't manipulate you, even subliminally? You are so wrong. They constantly fool tens of millions of Russians.

I don't know anything about RT. I've never read RT.

However, you could say similar things certain major news networks in the USA (on both or all sides of the political divide). They've become political shills, and many Americans eat it up. Even "smart" Americans who think they can't be "manipulated," "even subliminally".

 

[DrCommonSense]

You win. I bow out of this. I give up. You are sometimes intentionally vague then when confronted it's magically clear to you and no one else what you originally meant.

I was quite clear about who benefited from AA in all of my posts, with Asian males being clearly NOT one of those groups.

Im sorry if you can't keep up.

 

[GravelRider]

I consider Russia Today more reliable than PBS/NYTimes/Washington Post/CNN these days to be honest.

However, I don't consider RT to be lacking in bias either. RT gives the Putin propaganda perspective while the others work basically for the DNC,

Oh boy

 

[RadOncDoc21]

You mean Russia Today? That explains a lot.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT_(TV_network)

Awesome

 

[DrCommonSense]

Seriously, letting an adversarial authoritarian government brainwash you on a regular basis... Holy cow!

Do you really think you are so very smart that they can't manipulate you, even subliminally? You are so wrong. They constantly fool tens of millions of Russians; they are experts in manipulation.

Check out this video from RT



Imagine NYT/CBS/Wash Post willing to cover this?

I think not.

Thanks RT to be honest!

 

[Consigliere]

Jesus Christ you guys have got a lot of time on your hands!

 

[Pooh & Annie]

The rest of the stuff you write is virtue signaling gibberish written by a likely privileged liberal that probably benefited from affirmative action policies when getting into medical school.

You mean the privileged, everything-handed-to-them-on-a-silver-spoon American minority?

I don't even think you're clueless about minorities. I think you're just prejudiced. And I'm a straight white male.

You have a right to think however you want. But you're going to be REAL unhappy with where this country is going until you and the white nationalists see people beyond race.

 

[DrCommonSense]

You mean the privileged, everything-handed-to-them-on-a-silver-spoon American minority?

I don't even think you're clueless about minorities. I think you're just prejudiced. And I'm a straight white male.

You have a right to think however you want. But you're going to be REAL unhappy with where this country is going until you and the white nationalists see people beyond race.

Let me ask you some questions to get a gestalt of your pseudo liberal opinion.

Do you come from a rich/upper middle class background? Was your father a physician?

 

[sleepallday]

Nothing left to do to support "equality" outside of getting rid of affirmative action or other systems that promote racism.

"Nothing left to do to support equality", huh? Nothing at all??

jeez man, I'm glad you keep posting on here, so people can see what an actual hardcore Trump supporter sounds like. So far from all your posts, i get that you hate all minorities (especially Arabs), hate all women regardless of race, and really believe that white men are the disenfranchised group. Am I missing anything?

 

[tennischamp822]

Except Affirmative Action has been extended to MANY groups outside of African Americans whose family came here as slaves including: Arabs, some Indians, White women, Pacific Islanders, all types of Latinos, etc.

Lol

Arab immigrants from the Middle East = generally considered "white"

Indians = South Asian = generally considered "Asian"

 

[bashwell]

Here is what Michael Moore said:

Everyone must stop saying they are "stunned" and "shocked". What you mean to say is that you were in a bubble and weren't paying attention to your fellow Americans and their despair. YEARS of being neglected by both parties, the anger and the need for revenge against the system only grew. Along came a TV star they liked whose plan was to destroy both parties and tell them all "You're fired!" Trump's victory is no surprise. He was never a joke. Treating him as one only strengthened him. He is both a creature and a creation of the media and the media will never own that.