Urrrrgh ...single?

[WhtsThFrequency]

A minority of women are interested in money, and won't care where that money comes from (physician, lawyer, business, etc.). But yea hard to tell, women under 25 rarely care about a guy's money, but over 25 after they've had their fun and want to settle, they'd look for someone who can support them and support them well.

I disagree. Young women (college women) who don't have a steady job are much more interested in money, flashy cars, etc. Women >25 who are making money for themselves in an actual career are less likely to obsess over their partner's bling.

You just may be too young to have seen the difference. I don't mean that in a mean way, I'm just saying that once you start meeting more older women as you yourself grow older, you'll find that the majority of post-college women are much more stable. Of course there are people with baggage like there are in any age group. But I'd take a smart woman making her own paycheck over an immature 21 year old with no prospects any day, all other things being equal. I'd be much more likely to trust the former when it comes to whether they were in it for the money or not.

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[studentp0x]

I disagree. Young women (college women) who don't have a steady job are much more interested in money, flashy cars, etc. Women >25 who are making money for themselves in an actual career are less likely to obsess over their partner's bling.

You just may be too young to have seen the difference. I don't mean that in a mean way, I'm just saying that once you start meeting more older women as you yourself grow older, you'll find that the majority of post-college women are much more stable. Of course there are people with baggage like there are in any age group. But I'd take a smart woman making her own paycheck over an immature 21 year old with no prospects any day, all other things being equal. I'd be much more likely to trust the former when it comes to whether they were in it for the money or not.

Hmm.. but all the majority of hot women (college aged) I see or hear of are dating guys who are just average in terms of finance. On the other hand, I know 3 rich guys (2 actually have a lamborghini) who are average looking and none of them has ever pulled off anything better than an above average girl.

I know my sample size is weak, but gold diggers aren't that common in general nowadays, and they're almost nonexistent until parental support stops.

You're right about the older women being liked that, but how many attractive female doctors/lawyers/business people do you find? (people who are very well off financially) You're much more likely to find a 27 year old hot chick working at a store or being a customer service worker, or whatever. And of course someone making 300,000$ a year will be appealing to them.

 

[WhtsThFrequency]

Hmm.. but all the majority of hot women (college aged) I see or hear of are dating guys who are just average in terms of finance. On the other hand, I know 3 rich guys (2 actually have a lamborghini) who are average looking and none of them has ever pulled off anything better than an above average girl.

I know my sample size is weak, but gold diggers aren't that common in general nowadays, and they're almost nonexistent until parental support stops.

You're right about the older women being liked that, but how many attractive female doctors/lawyers/business people do you find? (people who are very well off financially) You're much more likely to find a 27 year old hot chick working at a store or being a customer service worker, or whatever. And of course someone making 300,000$ a year will be appealing to them.

Working at a store or doing customer service are still jobs that can bring in enough money to be financially secure for a single woman. I wasn't just talking about super rich or super educated women, just women who have stable income that allows them to live independently. It tends to create a person who puts money lower down on the totem pole because they know they don't need it. Not sure why you think there is a general lack of attractive ladies who are very well of financially or highly educated. The attractiveness bell curve doesn't seem to differ from the average population from what I've seen. One if the best looking girls in my lab is a math PhD, another is finishing up one in computational biology and plans to go to med school.

The majority of women in college WILL date guys with not a lot of money because for the majority, that is all that is available to them. But that doesn't mean that, if given the opportunity to date a super rich guy, they wouldn't rank the money higher than an older woman with financial security (again, I'm not talking super rich exclusively, just financial security) would.

 

[studentp0x]

Working at a store or doing customer service are still jobs that can bring in enough money to be financially secure for a single woman. I wasn't just talking about super rich or super educated women, just women who have stable income that allows them to live independently. It tends to create a person who puts money lower down on the totem pole because they know they don't need it. Not sure why you think there is a general lack of attractive ladies who are very well of financially or highly educated. The attractiveness bell curve doesn't seem to differ from the average population from what I've seen. One if the best looking girls in my lab is a math PhD, another is finishing up one in computational biology and plans to go to med school.

The majority of women in college WILL date guys with not a lot of money because for the majority, that is all that is available to them. But that doesn't mean that, if given the opportunity to date a super rich guy, they wouldn't rank the money higher than an older woman with financial security (again, I'm not talking super rich exclusively, just financial security) would.

I don't believe jobs paying 15$ an hour let you live financially secure lol, especially if you're a single mom. gold diggers are normally on sires designed for them, "Seeking arrangements "

 

[WhtsThFrequency]

I don't believe jobs paying 15$ an hour let you live financially secure lol, especially if you're a single mom. gold diggers are normally on sires designed for them, "Seeking arrangements "

Bringing a kid into it is an entirely different ball game, so I won't address that. 15 an hour is about 31k annually. I lived perfectly well on that during residency. Heck, the average per capita income in the US is 42k or so, less in many states. If you make 31 as a single person you're in approximately the 68th percentile using 2010 data, which is far from poor. Again, I wasn't talking rich, just secure as in can pay rent, bills, have some left over. Now if you were talking an older woman with a minimum wage job plus kid, I'd be more inclined to agree that money would be more important to her. But not the majority of older women.

 

[studentp0x]

Bringing a kid into it is an entirely different ball game, so I won't address that. 15 an hour is about 31k annually. I lived perfectly well on that during residency. Heck, the average per capita income in the US is 42k or so, less in many states. If you make 31 as a single person you're in approximately the 68th percentile using 2010 data, which is far from poor. Again, I wasn't talking rich, just secure as in can pay rent, bills, have some left over. Now if you were talking an older woman with a minimum wage job plus kid, I'd be more inclined to agree that money would be more important to her. But not the majority of older women.

There isn't any financially security though. 30k/year means you're one pay check away from being kicked out of your apartment (if you lose your job). And most single women in their mid to late 20s won't be spending exclusively on the minimum needed to survive. That's just in theory. Clothes, make up, bars/alcohol, other entertainment, and 30k/year will have them in debt in no time.

So no I don't believe a 20 year old chick finds a rich guy more appealing than a 28 year old woman living pay check to pay check. The younger chicks haven't had a taste of the real world yet, the older ones have and know it sucks. Why not date a guy who will take them on a 5 star vacation every 3 months? Drive them around in an R8, live in his 4000 square foot house.. etc These are things that women aged 18-22 aren't that into yet cause mommy and daddy are still paying them through what they want.

 

[WhtsThFrequency]

A minority of women are interested in money, and won't care where that money comes from (physician, lawyer, business, etc.). But yea hard to tell, women under 25 rarely care about a guy's money, but over 25 after they've had their fun and want to settle, they'd look for someone who can support them and support them well.

There isn't any financially security though. 30k/year means you're one pay check away from being kicked out of your apartment (if you lose your job). And most single women in their mid to late 20s won't be spending exclusively on the minimum needed to survive. That's just in theory. Clothes, make up, bars/alcohol, other entertainment, and 30k/year will have them in debt in no time.

So no I don't believe a 20 year old chick finds a rich guy more appealing than a 28 year old woman living pay check to pay check. The younger chicks haven't had a taste of the real world yet, the older ones have and know it sucks. Why not date a guy who will take them on a 5 star vacation every 3 months? Drive them around in an R8, live in his 4000 square foot house.. etc These are things that women aged 18-22 that into yet cause mommy and daddy are still paying them through what they want.

Except we weren't talking about these narrow criteria. I was responding to your earlier generalization about women based purely on age.

Not all 18-22 year olds are being spoiled by their parents and not all 25+ women are jaded and living paycheck to paycheck plus kid. Heck not even most, especially the former.

 

[ruralsurg4now]

I know my sample size is weak, but gold diggers aren't that common in general nowadays

Yeah, uh ...you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[ruralsurg4now]

15 an hour is about 31k annually. I lived perfectly well on that during residency.

Yeah, but that's because your standards were low. When you made 31K, you probably drove a beat-up car. But now that you make more, you probably don't. If it was fine to do when you made 31K, then why did you upgrade? Because it actually wasn't fine for you, but you accepted it because you are responsible. But if you had your preference, you'd live a much nicer lifestyle. It may be a semantic argument, but that's how I see it.

 

[studentp0x]

Yeah, uh ...you don't know what you're talking about.

Buy a Ferrari and try and impress 20 year old girls who hang around attractive guys. I will guarantee you the attractive guys will win 9/10 times.

 

[WhtsThFrequency]

Yeah, but that's because your standards were low. When you made 31K, you probably drove a beat-up car. But now that you make more, you probably don't. If it was fine to do when you made 31K, then why did you upgrade? Because it actually wasn't fine for you, but you accepted it because you are responsible. But if you had your preference, you'd live a much nicer lifestyle. It may be a semantic argument, but that's how I see it.

Actually, no. I drive the same car and still rent an 800sq foot house even though I'm making 15k more as a fellow. Perhaps it is just me, but I actually prefer living below my means because it makes me appreciate more important things and I can avoid caring more about things than people. I don't care much for expensive material things, or at least the material things that society tells us we should care about (fancy cars, clothes, houses, etc). Happiness is found in so many other ways; I've learned that. Standards are also relative. I'll take a small house in the country over a 4000sq foot mansion any day. Then again, I'm a hillbilly at heart.

But again, this isn't about me.

I get what you're saying, but I still think the generalizations are faulty.

The whole "wanting to move up in the world" argument you are making now could be applied to all age groups (and sexes).

I think what it boils down to is a woman with little money of her own will be more attracted to a guys money than another. I'm not arguing that. But considering that overall, older people make more than younger people (and my own experience of having dealt with and lived through both age groups) and have more stable jobs/careers, I stand by what I said.

 

[studentp0x]

Actually, no. I drive the same car and still rent an 800sq foot house even though I'm making 15k more as a fellow. Perhaps it is just me, but I actually prefer living below my means because it makes me appreciate more important things and I can avoid caring more about things than people. I don't care much for expensive material things, or at least the material things that society tells us we should care about (fancy cars, clothes, houses, etc). Happiness is found in so many other ways; I've learned that. Standards are also relative. I'll take a small house in the country over a 4000sq foot mansion any day. Then again, I'm a hillbilly at heart.

But again, this isn't about me.

I get what you're saying, but I still think the generalizations are faulty.

The whole "wanting to move up in the world" argument you are making now could be applied to all age groups (and sexes).

I think what it boils down to is a woman with little money of her own will be more attracted to a guys money than another. I'm not arguing that. But considering that overall, older people make more than younger people (and my own experience of having dealt with and lived through both age groups) and have more stable jobs/careers, I stand by what I said.

In theory you're correct but a girl who makes less and lives with her parents (which a strong number of younger girls still do) or lives with a boyfriend who makes 40-50k/year (combined with her 30k/year, provides an ideal lifestyle) won't care too much about money in contrast to a 28 year old woman making 30k/year and whom cannot do anything she wants besides eat food and pay her bills.

Of course women in careers won't care about a man's money. But that's a different topic. We can also say that a 20 year old woman won't want to be labelled as a gold digger and a slut and won't go "dating" 40 year old rich guys.

Certainly, there are younger models which "date' 3-4 older men at once (arrangements, basically long term prostitution). Those are the only real gold diggers out there, sugar babies/daddies.
Plus, when do you ever see a 45 year old rich guy actually dating a 20 year old hot chick? Or even a 35 year old one. Never happens.

End of the day, if it was so easy for rich guys to get hot chicks, escort agencies wouldn't base half of their services on 'girl friend experiences' and there wouldn't be a much much stronger demand than supply on sugary daddy/arrangement sites. Simple as that.

 

[ruralsurg4now]

Buy a Ferrari and try and impress 20 year old girls who hang around attractive guys. I will guarantee you the attractive guys will win 9/10 times.

Doesn't that mean that you're conceeding success -- banging a 20-year-old -- with that strategy 10% of the time?

 

[ruralsurg4now]

Actually, no. I drive the same car and still rent an 800sq foot house even though I'm making 15k more as a fellow.

Right, but you're still in training. It's rather unlikely (although I will concede not impossible) that you will become an attending with a salary several times higher than you currently make and not upgrade your lifestyle. If you're married, your wife may currently tolerate your living situation out of understanding of a budget, but she'll most likely want an upgrade once your income allows it. If you're single, you probably won't want to remain in a small apartment or house. I'm not criticizing you -- I actually rent a 1 BR apartment that a college kid would stay in, even though my income obviously allows me to buy a house if I wanted, but then again I'm fairly uncommon in that regard. (I do it because I'm single, because I'm planning on moving relatively quickly, and because the area is rural so buying a house would be pretty silly in terms of resale.)

I think what it boils down to is a woman with little money of her own will be more attracted to a guys money than another. I'm not arguing that. But considering that overall, older people make more than younger people (and my own experience of having dealt with and lived through both age groups) and have more stable jobs/careers, I stand by what I said.

That's all true, but keep in mind that it's all relative. There are lots of nurses who make at least an average salary who wouldn't mind marrying a physician and "moving up" in the world. It's not that she's a poor bum. It's just how the world works. It's sort of like everything else. It's not like you'll be going for the girl who works at the mall kiosk (you could, but if you did, it would probably just be to have sex, if we're being frank and honest here). But you're still going to be pursued by women who desire the income that you have or that they think physicians have.

 

[studentp0x]

Doesn't that mean that you're conceeding success -- banging a 20-year-old -- with that strategy 10% of the time?

No cause the broke attractive guy is pretty much always beating you.

Mentioned already that escort agencies and sugar daddy sites exist for a reason. If money made it so easy to get hot chicks, why would there be such a high demand on those sites? And for escorting services?

 

[ruralsurg4now]

No cause the broke attractive guy is pretty much always beating you.

Did you fail high school?

 

[studentp0x]

Did you fail high school?

I wasn't quoting a statistic from a study.

 

[WhtsThFrequency]

Right, but you're still in training. It's rather unlikely (although I will concede not impossible) that you will become an attending with a salary several times higher than you currently make and not upgrade your lifestyle. If you're married, your wife may currently tolerate your living situation out of understanding of a budget, but she'll most likely want an upgrade once your income allows it. If you're single, you probably won't want to remain in a small apartment or house. I'm not criticizing you -- I actually rent a 1 BR apartment that a college kid would stay in, even though my income obviously allows me to buy a house if I wanted, but then again I'm fairly uncommon in that regard. (I do it because I'm single, because I'm planning on moving relatively quickly, and because the area is rural so buying a house would be pretty silly in terms of resale.)

I'm the wife (to be) Luckily, my fiancé agrees with me and also enjoys the more simple country life. He was a good find.

 

[ruralsurg4now]

I'm the wife (to be) Luckily, my fiancé agrees with me and also enjoys the more simple country life. He was a good find.

I guess I was misled by your Andy Samberg avatar.

 

[studentp0x]

Well a lot makes sense now lol.

 

[ruralsurg4now]

I'm not sure what that means, but OK.

 

[WhtsThFrequency]

I guess I was misled by your Andy Samberg avatar.

No worries, I love me some Lonely Island.

Well a lot makes sense now lol.

Because it wouldn't make any sense for a man to make the points I made?

Actually, I think it strengthens them by virtue of experience. I have lived through being both a <25 year old as well as > 25 (I'm currently 29). I dated the guy with the souped up car and motorcycle in college because I was dazzled, and I dated better men with less money later because they were better men. I've been surrounded by women across this entire age span in a much closer capacity than men dating them from the outside. Ladies tell a lot more to their friends than who they date . Studentpox, you're probably around 18-22 as a premed, right? And I'm not saying this to pull the tired old age card, I'm just saying that you'll probably reconsider some things about women as you get older.

And as an aside, before you tell me the reason I don't care as much about money is because I will be loaded....think again. As a board certified veterinary pathologist with an additional (future) PhD, I won't ever make much more than 90-100k in academia, maybe a bit more in industry. I have approx 170k in debt from veterinary school and due to very low salaries of veterinary residents, was not even able to pay off interest. I'm never going to be rich, and I'm cool with that. Vets, even specialists, don't make much despite our training. But it didn't make me seek out richer men based just on their potential monetary contribution. Women aren't binary

 

[ruralsurg4now]

I dated the guy with the souped up car and motorcycle in college because I was dazzled

*cough*cough*golddigger*cough*cough*

 

[ruralsurg4now]

Vets, even specialists, don't make much despite our training.

I'm shocked by this, since conventional wisdom amongst people I know is that vets make pretty good money, since people pay cash for treatment (although I know pet insurance is becoming more normal) and are willing to pay ridiculous amounts of money for their pets.

 

[WhtsThFrequency]

*cough*cough*golddigger*cough*cough*

Oh you know it. He was premed too!

I'm shocked by this, since conventional wisdom amongst people I know is that vets make pretty good money, since people pay cash for treatment (although I know pet insurance is becoming more normal) and are willing to pay ridiculous amounts of money for their pets.

Nope. The average starting salary for a general practioner vet is about 60k, with an average debt load of 130k right out of school. Specialists like me may make more but rarely over 100-120 unless you're in ortho or neuro. It's definitely a labor of love.

Then there is the market oversaturation, the AVMA putting out false info about demand for vets and cherry picked salary data....it's a rough profession to be in right now. But I love my job, and that counts for a lot. Pathology across dozens of species is awesome.

 

[Freesia88]

Because it wouldn't make any sense for a man to make the points I made?

Actually, I think it strengthens them by virtue of experience. I have lived through being both a <25 year old as well as > 25 (I'm currently 29). I dated the guy with the souped up car and motorcycle in college because I was dazzled, and I dated better men with less money later because they were better men. I've been surrounded by women across this entire age span in a much closer capacity than men dating them from the outside. Ladies tell a lot more to their friends than who they date . Studentpox, you're probably around 18-22 as a premed, right? And I'm not saying this to pull the tired old age card, I'm just saying that you'll probably reconsider some things about women as you get older.

And as an aside, before you tell me the reason I don't care as much about money is because I will be loaded....think again. As a board certified veterinary pathologist with an additional (future) PhD, I won't ever make much more than 90-100k in academia, maybe a bit more in industry. I have approx 170k in debt from veterinary school and due to very low salaries of veterinary residents, was not even able to pay off interest. I'm never going to be rich, and I'm cool with that. Vets, even specialists, don't make much despite our training. But it didn't make me seek out richer men based just on their potential monetary contribution. Women aren't binary

Thank you for putting that out there way more tactfully than I could ever possibly have.

 

[ruralsurg4now]

Oh you know it. He was premed too!

That's ca$h money!!

 

[Freesia88]

Loving this thread (sorry OP!) Definitely agree that a foreign bride is not the way to go. It's too bad you don't seem to be religious-- I feel like it would be much easier for you to find a chaste girl (online) in her mid-twenties looking for a good husband. But then you'd have to go to church.... Unless you miraculously had to work every Sunday morning! I think it might be a good trade-off, though, if she really loved the idea of creating a nice family. Maybe I'm over-idealizing religious people, who I spend very little time around (though I grew up around many good ones).

I honestly don't know what I would have done if I hadn't met my SO in college. I married my best friend -- the idea of "dating" is horrifying to me.

I agree with the posters who say your best realistic hope is moving to a larger city. There are literally hundreds of thousands of well-educated twenty and thirty somethings in them because there are no real jobs for them outside of cities! Put your head down for 2-3 years and get out -- you can go back 5 years later. Also, I think you should shoot for someone at least 10 years younger than yourself. You basically want to marry into the pool that you would have emerged into had you graduated and found a job -- as you've noticed, many of the women your own age have major issues, since most of the normals who married in their twenties have remained married.

What I really think, though, is that you and Freesia88 should tie the knot and be SDN's first couple! I'd come live-post the ceremony! No seriously, you guys should get married.

Nah... I'm the kind of girl who would drink moonshine just to say I did.

And there's been other couples

 

[ruralsurg4now]

Nah... I'm the kind of girl who would drink moonshine just to say I did.

A woman with a lack of boundaries and poor decision making??? Sign me up!!

 

[Freesia88]

A woman with a lack of boundaries and poor decision making??? Sign me up!!

I like to think of it as a sense of adventure and a desire to experience the world in its bountiful awesomeness.

Besides, good decision making is overrated. If life wants to take a crap on you it will.

 

[fancymylotus]

Next SDN couple in the making!

 

[ruralsurg4now]

Next SDN couple in the making!

Note: I'm also open to menage.

 

[Freesia88]

Next SDN couple in the making!

You're my inspiration, Fancy

Note: I'm also open to menage.

Well well...

 

[fancymylotus]

You're my inspiration, Fancy




Well well...

Worked out fantastically for me

And ruralsurg...my better half doesn't like to share. He's possessive

 

[ruralsurg4now]

And ruralsurg...my better half doesn't like to share.

Hey, tell him women are not property!!

 

[studentp0x]

No worries, I love me some Lonely Island.



Because it wouldn't make any sense for a man to make the points I made?

Actually, I think it strengthens them by virtue of experience. I have lived through being both a <25 year old as well as > 25 (I'm currently 29). I dated the guy with the souped up car and motorcycle in college because I was dazzled, and I dated better men with less money later because they were better men. I've been surrounded by women across this entire age span in a much closer capacity than men dating them from the outside. Ladies tell a lot more to their friends than who they date . Studentpox, you're probably around 18-22 as a premed, right? And I'm not saying this to pull the tired old age card, I'm just saying that you'll probably reconsider some things about women as you get older.

And as an aside, before you tell me the reason I don't care as much about money is because I will be loaded....think again. As a board certified veterinary pathologist with an additional (future) PhD, I won't ever make much more than 90-100k in academia, maybe a bit more in industry. I have approx 170k in debt from veterinary school and due to very low salaries of veterinary residents, was not even able to pay off interest. I'm never going to be rich, and I'm cool with that. Vets, even specialists, don't make much despite our training. But it didn't make me seek out richer men based just on their potential monetary contribution. Women aren't binary

Actually, my point has kinda also been that gold digging isn't very common at all, and money isn't that big of a factor in attracting more attractive women.
It certainly is a bonus always, and is a small factor for some, and SOMETIMES is a major factor for a subset of women who are actual gold diggers.

For the 4th time now, there's a reason there's a MUCH bigger demand than supply on sugar daddy sites. And these chicks have quite a few chicks active as well.
If money made it so easy, why wouldn't these wealthier guys just do it the old fashioned way? Instead of paying a girl 1500$ every 2 weeks or whatever. Or buying "girl friend experiences" from escort agencies (very commonly).

 

[ruralsurg4now]

If money made it so easy, why wouldn't these wealthier guys just do it the old fashioned way?

Because those websites are cutting to the chase. It's a literal meat market, or basically legal prostitution. Even in real life where there is gold-digging, it's usually not that straight-forward. Guys who use the "sugar daddy" website have basically embraced the gold-digging and are saying "well, since women are gold-diggers, I'm going to get my money's worth." And the women on those site have also embraced their gold-digging and are saying "I'm in it for the money, if you give me some, I'll give you sex." There's no guesswork involved.

 

[studentp0x]

Because those websites are cutting to the chase. It's a literal meat market, or basically legal prostitution. Even in real life where there is gold-digging, it's usually not that straight-forward. Guys who use the "sugar daddy" website have basically embraced the gold-digging and are saying "well, since women are gold-diggers, I'm going to get my money's worth." And the women on those site have also embraced their gold-digging and are saying "I'm in it for the money, if you give me some, I'll give you sex." There's no guesswork involved.

So why is there such a huge demand? A video I watched which explained this in detail showed all these girls getting messages from hundreds of men. Such a high demand > supply , means that those rich guys aren't getting laid that frequently (I'm sure they could, but certainly not with attractive women).

If money is a large factor, then why don't you casually date some really hot chicks? You shouldn't have any issues whatsoever.

 

[ruralsurg4now]

So why is there such a huge demand? A video I watched which explained this in detail showed all these girls getting messages from hundreds of men. Such a high demand > supply , means that those rich guys aren't getting laid that frequently (I'm sure they could, but certainly not with attractive women).

The fact that they're on a website doesn't mean they're not also getting laid by some prostitute, you know.

If money is a large factor, then why don't you casually date some really hot chicks? You shouldn't have any issues whatsoever.

Because I find that sort of thing objectionable. I was merely explaining it, not condoning it.

 

[studentp0x]

The fact that they're on a website doesn't mean they're not also getting laid by some prostitute, you know.



Because I find that sort of thing objectionable. I was merely explaining it, not condoning it.

I meant getting laid independently of anything involving the direct use of his money.

And I'm saying that if money makes you a lot more attractive, casual dating in general should be very use for you.

 

[ruralsurg4now]

I meant getting laid independently of anything involving the direct use of his money.

The reason he's using his money is because that's how he gets laid. I'm not sure I follow what you're saying.

And I'm saying that if money makes you a lot more attractive, casual dating in general should be very use for you.

You may have missed this, but I avoid telling women what I do or how much I make. Unfortunately, that causes a lot of them, I think, to assume that I'm a bum or something. I still drive the same car I drove in medical school, so that probably reinforces that belief. I'm quite sure that if I waved around my title, I'd get at least someone. In medical school, that was a common tactic for guys. They'd go to bars and basically work into the conversation that they were medical students and they'd get women all over the place.

 

[studentp0x]

The reason he's using his money is because that's how he gets laid. I'm not sure I follow what you're saying.



You may have missed this, but I avoid telling women what I do or how much I make. Unfortunately, that causes a lot of them, I think, to assume that I'm a bum or something. I still drive the same car I drove in medical school, so that probably reinforces that belief. I'm quite sure that if I waved around my title, I'd get at least someone. In medical school, that was a common tactic for guys. They'd go to bars and basically work into the conversation that they were medical students and they'd get women all over the place.

Yes and I'm saying if he could attract women using his money he wouldn't have to resort to directly pay for sex. Clearly money on its own isn't enough to attract typical hot chicks.

And you're probably working at a disadvantage then. Quality women like well educated successful men, but my point inherently is, physical attractiveness comes first then it's your personality followed by education etc.

 

[ruralsurg4now]

Yes and I'm saying if he could attract women using his money he wouldn't have to resort to directly pay for sex. Clearly money on its own isn't enough to attract typical hot chicks.

Um, no offense, but you're not making any sense. Either that or you're just trying to win a semantic argument which is not very interesting. You're trying to distinguish between a sugar daddy "paying" for sex and a "regular" person who attracts certain women who know he is wealthy. They're the same thing. One is just more direct of a transaction.

And you're probably working at a disadvantage then. Quality women like well educated successful men, but my point inherently is, physical attractiveness comes first then it's your personality followed by education etc.

Actually, all women like well-educated, successful men. The key is in distinguishing the quality ones from the others.

 

[studentp0x]

Um, no offense, but you're not making any sense. Either that or you're just trying to win a semantic argument which is not very interesting. You're trying to distinguish between a sugar daddy "paying" for sex and a "regular" person who attracts certain women who know he is wealthy. They're the same thing. One is just more direct of a transaction.

I think you're missing my point. I'm saying if the wealthy guy naturally attracted women in his day to day work and leisure time, he wouldn't need to spend 300$ for a single hour with an escort or become a sugar daddy.

Think of it this day, would an attractive and sociable guy who gets women in his day to day time come and make a dating site profile? No because he doesn't need to resort to that.

Someone who's wealthy and has plenty of attractive women around him won't even care to compete with other wealthy men online to win over different hot chicks. That makes no sense.
So yes, it's a direct transaction because those guys cannot attract hot 20 year olds in their everyday time.

Actually, all women like well-educated, successful men. The key is in distinguishing the quality ones from the others.

Ah.. not really no. Heard chicks say they're attracted to construction workers, seen hot chicks dating construction workers/trades workers, etc. Not all women care. They want a physically attractive guy as much as the guy wants a physically attractive girl. And that was what was common among those guys in "less respected careers" dating the hotter women.

Then you see average looking doctors/lawyers/professors/businessmen with an overweight 4/10 wife.

 

[ruralsurg4now]

Think of it this day, would an attractive and sociable guy who gets women in his day to day time come and make a dating site profile? No because he doesn't need to resort to that.

Why not? You don't know if he's exclusively online dating or if he's merely using that as an avenue for additional dates. It's like if the same guy went to the museum and someone said "why would he be seeking women here? If he were attractive, he could just stay at a bar."

Heard chicks say they're attracted to construction workers, seen hot chicks dating construction workers/trades workers, etc. Not all women care.

I don't think anyone said all women care.

Then you see average looking doctors/lawyers/professors/businessmen with an overweight 4/10 wife.

Sure, but you don't know when they got that woman. I mean, Michael Jordan's first wife was just some random woman. His current wife is this model with a huge rack. There are more variables.

 

[CDI]

Then you see average looking doctors/lawyers/professors/businessmen with an overweight 4/10 wife.

Dem 4/10s!

I bet more 4/10s are happily married by the time they hit 30 then 8/10s...

 

[Freesia88]

This is me right now

 

[studentp0x]

Why not? You don't know if he's exclusively online dating or if he's merely using that as an avenue for additional dates. It's like if the same guy went to the museum and someone said "why would he be seeking women here? If he were attractive, he could just stay at a bar."

That makes little sense... you're basically saying someone who has a different hot girlfriend every 3-4 months is going to still be found on sugar daddy sites or found hiring escorts, that makes no sense at all.

(P.S. I hope you don't ever consider the bar as a place to meet an actual girlfriend for a serious relationship)

I don't think anyone said all women care.

But you just said all women care. scroll up.

Sure, but you don't know when they got that woman. I mean, Michael Jordan's first wife was just some random woman. His current wife is this model with a huge rack. There are more variables.

Chances are an 8/10 won't sink to a 4/10. If that happens, she probably had many issues when you met her (drinking problems, smoking) that led to that.

You can say that she was once average looking then gained weight over time and aged. Which makes sense, since the guy was also average looking. So it's a fair couple.

 

[studentp0x]

Dem 4/10s!

I bet more 4/10s are happily married by the time they hit 30 then 8/10s...

You do know a very very large number of married men hire escorts right? You don't figure being less attractive increases the odds of your husband doing that?

So I wouldn't say happily married is a correct assumption to make unless you've followed both spouses around 24/7.

 

[ruralsurg4now]

That makes little sense... you're basically saying someone who has a different hot girlfriend every 3-4 months is going to still be found on sugar daddy sites or found hiring escorts, that makes no sense at all.

Why not? It's an avenue for getting additional you-know-what. The women on those sites are generally attractive (since you can't be an ugly woman wanting a sugar daddy). What's the downside for them?

But you just said all women care. scroll up.

I didn't bother scrolling up, but I'm pretty sure I was referring to all women on those sites.

Chances are an 8/10 won't sink to a 4/10.

Why not? I've seen tons of attractive women (such as celebrities) turn into horrible wrecks. On the flip side, I'm sure we've also seen women who were 4s when they were younger and somehow they turn into 8s when they're older. It's almost chance. Some women have a kid and totally fall apart. Other women don't.