rhinoman22
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@MercifulCamper why choose to leave Texas for medical school, and then come back to bash Texas schools? It's getting old, for me.I would see if Emory can match U Chicago. If they can I'd go to Emory for P/F. If not sounds like Chicago.
I'm sorry about Baylor. Such a ridiculous process. If Baylor truly had confidence in their Temple location they should just make it that you apply to Temple, Houston, or both. Last year I prematched at both UTSW and Baylor and I just wasn't going to play Baylor’s little game so I said no thanks to them and went with UTSW - although I ended up leaving Texas anyways.
Baylor’s Campus selection process seems almost coercive for Texas students that drop all other potential Texas prematches/match prospects and then after that find out if they get stuck in a place they don't want. I'm sure you'd still get a great education there at Temple but it's going to be a notable difference between Houston and Temple.
OP, my perspective aligns with many others from last year's applicant pool. My rant in my previous post was to advocate for students who lack leverage in this situation, emphasizing the need for Baylor to reevaluate their campus selection process. OP does have leverage, but some who were placed at Temple likely do not have leverage. In my last post I wanted to recognize that OP's disappointment in not receiving their preferred placement at Baylor is valid and understandable.@MercifulCamper why choose to leave Texas for medical school, and then come back to bash Texas schools? It's getting old, for me.
Other well known schools have several branches - Mayo, U Chicago, Indiana, and others. One location is always more popular, but that doesn't make the school any less, and doesn't make their campus assignment "coercive".
I mentor several of students for free going through this process and see how mentally draining and taxing it can be. Seeing/hearing them breakdown in tears in front of me or over the phone about this process is what makes me bitter. People deserve to be treated better. Some pay thousands of dollars to apply to just get rejected everywhere without a reply about how they could have improved. This process makes us work so hard, dedicate many hours of our life to this pursuit, and sacrifice a lot, which ultimately leads to a lot of applicants tying their self worth to their admissions outcomes. You know, you've been such an advocate yourself on here for students helping them navigate this process @wysdoc.I truly do not understand your bitterness, as you turned down Baylor for a full ride at UTSW and then turned that down too.
You chased the prestige I guess, has it made you happy?
Just to throw in my two cents on this (sorry for derailing the thread further), I think that the reason many are unhappy with the process is that at least for Mayo (I am unaware of the process at U chicago or Indiana), you are able to pick your campus before you have to make a decision. For TX residents who are hoping to stay in TX, they have to decide without all of the information. This is different from Mayo for example, who allows you to pick your campus in their secondary so you are 100% aware of what you are going to get from the beginning.@MercifulCamper why choose to leave Texas for medical school, and then come back to bash Texas schools? It's getting old, for me.
Other well known schools have several branches - Mayo, U Chicago, Indiana, and others. One location is always more popular, but that doesn't make the school any less, and doesn't make their campus assignment "coercive".
It's Texas jealousy...@MercifulCamper why choose to leave Texas for medical school, and then come back to bash Texas schools? It's getting old, for me.
Thank you @MercifulCamper for these words, you quite literally took them out of my mouth. I know this year there has not been as much complaining/disappointment regarding campus placement on the Baylor thread, but I assure you that those students do exists. In the GroupMe you have students that didn’t have the leverage I have and just applied to only Texas schools, like most Texan students do. They are devastated. And of course there are some students excited to go to Temple as well.OP, my perspective aligns with many others from last year's applicant pool. My rant in my previous post was to advocate for students who lack leverage in this situation, emphasizing the need for Baylor to reevaluate their campus selection process. OP does have leverage, but some who were placed at Temple likely do not have leverage. In my last post I wanted to recognize that OP's disappointment in not receiving their preferred placement at Baylor is valid and understandable.
Regarding @wysdoc's comments, I want to clarify that my criticisms have been specific to Baylor's campus selection process, not a general critique of Texas medical schools. I used the term "almost coercive" to describe Baylor's approach, and I acknowledge that it was a charged choice of words. What I intended to convey is that the process restricts students' choices, particularly post-Texas match, which, in my opinion, is a concern worth addressing and amplifying.
The fact that institutions like Mayo and Indiana employ similar practices doesn't justify them. Baylor, as a premier medical school, will continue to attract applicants, but their admissions process could be more transparent and empowering for students, allowing them to make informed decisions about their campus preferences.
If I sounded bitter in my last post, it is because I am. The medical school application process chews you up and spits you out. It's a dehumanizing process, and I don't appreciate it when schools play games through lotteries, especially after you've decided to withdraw some of your other choices. Sure, students have the option not to enter that lottery like I decided not to, but my position is that those lotteries should not even exist. Just allow students to apply to the campus where they would be comfortable living. It is such an easy fix.
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Although unrelated to OP's situation, the rest of this response addresses @wysdoc's accusation that I've been critical of Texas medical schools. Questioning UTSW or other schools' H/HP/P/F clerkship grading system and the AOA's competitiveness/criteria at medical schools across the country - including those in Texas - does not equate to denigrating these institutions; instead, it offers a candid perspective for prospective students. Similarly, highlighting the restrictive health policies in Texas for immigrants, women, and LGBTQ folks isn't a criticism of the state's medical schools but a consideration for applicants who value a certain quality of life and inclusivity in their educational environment.
I also need to acknowledge that this conversation and my perspective reeks of privilege. Many do not have the possibilities or financial stability that I had. I was fortunate enough to choose the best school that worked for my needs. I also acknowledge that some of these critiques may make some feel like I'm pointing out flaws at their schools, but ultimately, any medical school can get you where you want to go. If you are reading this and feeling that way, you should be proud to have gotten even into one medical school - most applicants don't. But because of my privilege, I now have clarity about how crappy this process is, how tough medical school is, and I will keep advocating for students in the future, giving them my perspective so they choose the best choice for them. I stand by my words and will not apologize for them, even if they are getting old. I hope you understand my perspective better now, @wysdoc
yessur 😂Sounds like there will be a spot up for grabs at baylor then 😋