The Official KCUMB Class of 2012 Thread!!!

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I know it's usually the 1st week of August but I don't know when. I tried to find out on the website but gave up. I think you could still have a pretty good b-day during the 1st week of classes.

My 30th b-day will be 8/19 and I want to have a party. I'm going to be really sad not to be able to have it in Lincoln so I can go to MY bars. Not like I really go to them that often anymore but it will still suck.

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I'm sure our little ones could play together while we studied, or pretended to anyway, knowing how they can be at that age!

I am not sure where I'm going to end up, and I figure I have until March to decide. I loved/still love KCUMB for so so so many reasons. New Jersey happened kinda late in the game for me. I really liked both places, but for very different reasons. At KCUMB, I'm just worried about having to move for years 3/4. That, and my husband thinks jobs are better in NJ than KS for him. It's a hard balancing job, choosing what is right for me as a med student, and what also works for the rest of the family. I'm lucky enough to have the acceptances, it's just a matter of finding the best place for all of us now. We are going to visit both places again in the next month --- I just hope there are no more bad storms while we are visiting. Last time we had to find a hotel on the other side of town b/c we were out of power for 6 hours, which is hard in a hotel with a toddler.

Oh, for some reason I had thought that you had decided against KCUMB. I was very concerned about moving for clinicals also but everyone at my interview seemed to indicate that if you want to stay in KC, you can. I know that is not a given, but it seemed like a pretty good chance to me.

This has been a particularly icy winter so far. I'm hoping the next few months are better so maybe it will be better next time. Good luck on making the right decision for you and your family and congratulations on the acceptances. :thumbup:
 
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My birthday is on 8/25. We should just through a "August Birthdays" party or something. The days are really starting to move now. I'm getting excited. Hope '08 is treating y'all well so far! :D
 
My birthday is on 8/25. We should just through a "August Birthdays" party or something. The days are really starting to move now. I'm getting excited. Hope '08 is treating y'all well so far! :D

Sounds good!
 
that casino 20 min from the school is starting to sound very good right about now lol
 
that casino 20 min from the school is starting to sound very good right about now lol

Actually less than that. By car you can leave campus and be in a casino in 5min or less.
 
Actually less than that. By car you can leave campus and be in a casino in 5min or less.


That almost has Touro-NV beat. I was shocked when I went for an interview there. I figured Henderson would be like a drive away from the strip and be unique on its own. I couldnt tell where vegas ended and henderson began.
 
I specifically avoided applying there because id never get anything done. Although i hate playing poker in a casino, one table is too boring. I just like the atmosphere
 
Hey all, just thought you would be interested to know, during my interview last week VP of admissions P.B. mentioned that they had some 90+ spots remaining in the class. He also mentioned that they were trying to keep it a little bit smaller than the previous year. My time at KCUMB was pretty impressive!
 
Hey all, just thought you would be interested to know, during my interview last week VP of admissions P.B. mentioned that they had some 90+ spots remaining in the class. He also mentioned that they were trying to keep it a little bit smaller than the previous year. My time at KCUMB was pretty impressive!

I wonder how much smaller is a little bit smaller :rolleyes:
 
I wonder how much smaller is a little bit smaller :rolleyes:
I wouldn't imagine it would be too much smaller. I find it kind of odd that they are considering making it smaller since all the schools I interviewed at were talking about class size increases to meet the impending health care demand (...and to fight global warming... and alien invasion). :p
 
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that 'bit' smaller is probably the 250 number since they went over it last year i think
 
that 'bit' smaller is probably the 250 number since they went over it last year i think

I agree, I got the feeling that 250 was the magic number they were shooting for. The last couple classes were in the 260-270 student range. Nothing drastic as far as numbers, but anything over 250 pushes the limits for some of their lecture halls.
 
Hey all, just thought you would be interested to know, during my interview last week VP of admissions P.B. mentioned that they had some 90+ spots remaining in the class. He also mentioned that they were trying to keep it a little bit smaller than the previous year. My time at KCUMB was pretty impressive!

Hey Ichab0ds,
Did you interview the 15th? I was there then and loved it! :) I don't remember hearing PB mention those numbers, but that's interesting. Do you think you'll end up at KCUMB if you get in?
 
Hey Ichab0ds,
Did you interview the 15th? I was there then and loved it! :) I don't remember hearing PB mention those numbers, but that's interesting. Do you think you'll end up at KCUMB if you get in?

Hey, sorry, I was out of town this weekend. PB mentioned the class seats left when just a couple of us were standing around after the interviews talking about random things. I got my acceptance letter Saturday, but it sat in the mail until I checked it this morning. I couldn't believe that they could meet Friday and have the letters to us by Saturday. As of now, I have two interviews remaining but something really has me leaning toward KCUMB. I would say at this point I'm around 90%, but I want to do my other interviews and see how things shake out. Where do you stand in your decision?
 
Hey, sorry, I was out of town this weekend. PB mentioned the class seats left when just a couple of us were standing around after the interviews talking about random things. I got my acceptance letter Saturday, but it sat in the mail until I checked it this morning. I couldn't believe that they could meet Friday and have the letters to us by Saturday. As of now, I have two interviews remaining but something really has me leaning toward KCUMB. I would say at this point I'm around 90%, but I want to do my other interviews and see how things shake out. Where do you stand in your decision?


tough to explain isnt it? kcumb had this pull that other schools didnt for some reason.. even the MD school i got into didnt really seem to compare.. im still goin to kcumb as of now
 
Hey, incoming first year students,

Congratulations on your acceptance and on beginning your journey toward becoming a physician. I remember this time quite well; it was very sweet and wonderful. You should definitely pat yourself on the back, since you've all come a long way, through thick and thin, to arrive at this particular doorstep.

I want to say that I think KCUMB is a good school, but it is not without it's issues, some of which you should be familiar with before signing on. My impression is that it there may be some systemic problems that could impinge on your enjoyment, if you should choose to matriculate. You'll probably make it through without a hitch, but it may be a bit painful at times due to these issues. I'm going to be as honest with some negatives as I can here without getting myself into trouble. If you want the real scoop, talk to a 2nd year, or higher, student. You can't expect to get a balanced point of view of the school from adcom members and student ambassadors, who are undoubtedly and expectedly trying to sell their program. Again, I think KCUMB is going to be a fine choice, but you should know exactly what you are paying for, should you choose to matriculate. Caveat Emptor.

1) KCUMB may have a problem of "the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing." My impression is that there is very little coordination between departments; very few folks seem to know what is going on and/or try to pass the "buck" onto someone else (instead of taking responsibility). There are exceptions, of course, but in general, folks just don't know how to work together that well. What happens, as a result of this apparent deficiency of coordination, perhaps, is that unexpected issues can arise and things may go unnecessarily awry, which directly effect you, such as with scheduling, curriculum, etc. And when you try to inquire about it, practically nobody seems to know what happened, or is somehow unwilling to talk about it in any detail. It's not that enjoyable, folks. This sort of thing tends to add red tape and complication to an already stressful time. The worst part is that, I think, it doesn't need to be this way, if folks only learned to work together and communicate better. Heaven forbid, if you try to go outside of the menu, so to speak. Anyway, I think it's manageable, but be prepared to have the carpet pulled from underneath you; it probably isn't going to be like the impression you received at your interview.

The school is pretty good about eliciting student feedback (i.e., CQI, surveys), but they seem to be really reflexive with their changes to the curriculum, or other things. How about some greater investigation before screwing the next year's class with changes that may, or may not work? There is something to be said for consistancy in a curriculum, etc. It often seems like one big experiement and we are the guinea pigs.

2) KCUMB may have control issues (a la Orwell, 1984; read: Big Brother is watching). The administration loves to control and regulate almost EVERY aspect of your academic experience and they take great steps to monitor everyone in the name of "professionalism" and "doing what's good for you." You tend to feel like you are being surrounded and watched; it's eerie feeling and a bit absurd. Okay, think George Bush and how he runs the administration and Homeland Security. Now, add the feeling that you are being treated like high school students (there is even a bell that rings every 50 minutes :rolleyes:). The administration loves to make students attend certain events by using brute force (assigning points by attendence). Sometimes, they may use negative-type reinforcement and might even talk down to you. If you are out-of-line in some way (behaviorally or academically) you may get sent to the professionalism office (kind of reminds you of high school, right?). There is always someone sitting the in back of the classroom monitoring everyone and taking notes for "professionalism."

It's stiffling at times, but I suppose you get used to it. It's just that you feel like you can't breathe sometimes, without it being noted on a list. :rolleyes:

3) KCUMB lost a whole bunch of good professors a few years ago due to unspecified issues. Now, the school is left with a whole bunch of new and sometimes junior professors, who have to wear multiple hats, adjunct professors with little to no teaching experience, and old professors who aren't the best communicators/instructors. There are still some good professors, but overall, it's not that impressive. Really, some of the instruction is definitely questionable, or at least borderline. You might think, with all this, "what kind of ship are they running here?"

The school got rid of the OMM department some time ago and merged it with the FM dept. Also the OMM instruction is not that exemplary; you tend to leave the lab not having much of an idea of what's going on and the TA's and fellows are sometimes pretty apathetic and unhelpful, although there are exceptions. You end up having to learn it all yourself from tutors, each other, or books, right before the practical. You might expect this somewhat, knowing that this school isn't very OMM-heavy. Just so you know.

Also, we just effectively lost our academic dean. She took a sabatical to pursue a master's degree in bioethics. Cool. Now we don't have one of the folks who actually stood up for the students and tried to keep things running smoothly. :rolleyes:

4) KCUMB has a large class size (250+), which is divided into relatively equal groups of 4 (A, B, C, and D). It's not exactly a problem, but I thought I'd bring it up, in case you didn't know. Cadavers are shared by 5-6 people per lab group; there are two lab groups, each doing some dissection, so you are sharing your cadaver with up to 11 other people. Additionally, the second years, who also have two lab groups, also share the same body, but don't dissect on the same region. Anyway, I hypothesize that the school is interested in having a large class size for economic reasons (i.e., "let's squeeze in lots of cattle...").

5) Out-dated technology/equipment. Some of the computers/printers the school provides for student use are very old; they badly need to be updated. There are few computers/printers around, so sometimes, if it gets busy, you have to wait. You have a printing budget (everytime you print a page, it gets subtracted from a printing account), which if you exceed, you must pay extra. There is no color printing. Computers and printing are just two examples of it's frugality. The school is pretty frugal about it's resources for such a high tuition.

By the way, Smith Hall isn't as grand as it seems folks. Good luck finding a spot during quiz/practical time.

6) Strange spending habits/focus. The school just built two new buildings, a clinical research center and an auditorium, which is to be used, in part, for community activities (non-school-related stuff), and there is also other non-academically-related spending. Okay. How do these things help the students? Not much. How about spending some money building a few nice classrooms, updating the technology, getting better and more qualified teaching staff, etc., instead of all this external nice-looking stuff? How about trying to lobby for a stop-sign, or do something about to help the folks cross the street from the first-year parking lot to the campus (it's dangerous)? Are the students just "cash cows" that they can stuff into an annex building? The school looks nice on the outside and they put on a good show, they even treat you nice at the interview, but when you arrive, you might become surprised.

By the way, I think the president makes some real bank. It's notable. I'll let you draw your own conclusions.

7) Curriculum issues. As noted above, there is a lot of reflexive changing, which can sometimes complicate things, create new problems, and compound existing issues. Sometimes, there is weird scheduling of classes/subjects. The units can feel disjointed and there is a lot needless repetition of subjects (Jimminy Cricket...how many times do I need to hear about Rheumatoid Arthritis?). You get quite a few guest lecturers, which can add to the confusion. Sometimes, you get multiple and uncoordinated takes on a given subject. I get the feeling that this curriculum would be awesome if lecturers learned to work together and did some tag-teaming. Instead, it's illogical at times and can be a disjointed mess. You'll learn, alright, but it is probably harder than it has to be. All I have to say is, thank God there are tutors.

Also, it should be noted that grading works by letter grades, with +/-. Letter grades are scaled based on the class average, which usually is scaled into a "B." The standard deviation is used to determine the other grades relative to that average score.

Lastly, the academic schedule needs more breaks, spread out. It's like a dayam marathon.

8) Rotations. Works on a lottery-based system. You pick your top three locations and it is chosen by random from there. Most folks get their first choice. You pretty much have to pick one from the list during your third year, but there is some variability in the fourth (you can go outside of the list). I don't know, the OCCE seems pretty willing to work with you, if want something outside of the list, but it has to pass certain standards. However, I'm just not that impressed by the choices; they seem to be predominately small hospitals with few beds. I've even heard horror stories of folks not matching and the school having to actually find a place for them to rotate. I'm sure this is pretty rare, but it's not cool at all, if that should happen.

9) Library is very tiny (as is the campus) and has very old and out-dated books. Currently the library is too small for 500 students, in my humble opinion. Also, what is it doing with grossly-outdated books from way back when? Outdated editions of textbooks need to be trashed and replaced with more relevant material.

Also, there isn't much of a campus to speak of. It's small, folks. Also, the neighborhood that it is in sucks monkey balls.

There is a new library in the recently constructed auditorium, so hopefully this is larger and better.

Okay, this is enough for now. Take this post for what it's worth; it's speculative and consists primarily of hearsay. Remember, folks, take all the information in this post and on SDN with a grain of salt. Do some investigation and ask lots of questions. Don't settle for a faulty impression that you received during interview day; it's too long of a road and too expensive for that. I hope I have at least whet your curiousity.
 
So you decided to join our ranks. Good for you. Here are some suggestions:

1) Square away your immunizations; this includes your titers! If you don't take care of them now, and do all of it right, the school will bug you about it again at the end of first, or at the beginning of second, semester for your early clinical experiences. Also, if you get the chance, give them a copy of your health insurance card.

2) Don't buy books right away. Wait and see what you need. I have a bookshelf full of expensive textbooks and I only use a very few of them. The BRS series, Moore and Dalley (blue boxes), Netter's (if you join SOMA, you'll get a "free" volume), Rohan, the green FOM book (necessary evil, for quizzes), DiGiovanna (you need this to learn your OMT), Mosby's, Dubin, and Ganong are the only books I've read with any regularity thus far.

3) Get an OMT tutor as soon as possible; believe me, you'll probably need it. Get an anatomy tutor right away when you start MSK, and I mean stat. Get a pathology tutor, too; it helps with the practicals. Don't delay!!! Less urgently, consider getting a physio tutor for cardiopulm. As an adjunct to physio in cardiopulm, read your favorite medical physiology text; it helps clarify concepts (also don't forget to practice EKG's!!!).

4) Join ACOFP for the mock anatomy practical and the UAAO for OMT reviews and the mock OMT practical. They are invaluable resources.

5) Preview your notes before you get to class and review them as soon as you finish for the day. Try to look at your notes at least 3-4 times before the quizzes. Test items are generally from the notes, so you don't really need other resources, except to clarify your understanding. You'll probably overstudy for your first quiz (especially when you take your first JiTT quiz and freak out), but you'll find a routine that is just right for you. The biweekly quizzes aren't worth that much, but the midterm (if there is one) and the final are worth plenty, and sometimes the practicals, too. Do the best that you can, but don't obsess over grades.

6) Check blackboard frequently. This is where your professors and curriculum folks write updates and post assignments. An hour or so before class, check to see if you need to print out any extra powerpoints, etc.

7) Do ERF's quizbank; his test questions tend to come from there. Review slice of life pictures. Review the starred items on his notes; sometimes they appear as extra credit for the practicals. ERF doesn't lecture from a powerpoint usually and he doesn't necessarily follow his notes during lecture. Check out his website; look at old questions. Google some of the stuff, so you can see more pictures of the histopathologies.

8) Buy lots of scrubs.

9) Get a USB flash drive; they are useful gadgets to have for xferring files.

10) Print out the OSCE a day or two before OMT lab and go through your book resources to clarify OSCE items. It'll help with the lab and also help with the lab quizzes. (Don't forget to wear shorts/T-shirt and a sports bra, if you are a woman, for the labs.) Consider buying a table. It isn't necessary, but I found it useful, because I can practice OMT anytime I want. Don't blow off the quizzes; they add up. Also, make sure to study the radiographs!

11) Talk to second years and get their take on how to study effectively for a section or subject. They may have suggestions for efficient study and/or resources you do not have.

12) Don't sweat the JiTT quizzes too much.

13) Sit up front. :D

14) When gross anatomy begins, meet with your tutor weekly. Print out the guide and go through the list with your tutor and by yourself (with friends, too, if you like). Ask experienced people how things are going to be tested on the practical. Buy a full-length white coat for anatomy lab that has your name clearly labeled on it in huge fluorescent letters (you are going to hang your coat in a large closet in the lab with hundreds of white coats that look the same), wear old shoes, and designate a few scrubs as your anatomy scrubs. Remember to practice quickly locating where you are on the body. View as many different cadavers as you can, so you can see the different variations. For the classroom material, make sure to review Moore and Dalley, paying special attention to the blue clinical boxes. BRS Anatomy also helped.

I didn't like Netter's, because it's so idealized (bodies rarely seem to look as they are presented in Netter's). I used Rohan a lot, because it shows actual dissected bodies.

15) Don't wait until the last minute.

16) Find a good support group; people you can talk to freely, who understand your situation. Medical school is tough, you may need a willing ear.

17) Consider going to the IDC's and optional anatomy reviews. Sometimes it helps put things into perspective.

18) Eat well, work out regularly, and don't forget to have fun every once in a while. Spend time with your good friends and family. Don't neglect them for school; it's not worth it.

19) Don't worry about how everyone else is doing; focus on yourself.

20) Buy several large three-ringed binders; you'll need them for class notes.

21) Sign up for and do ERF's pathology sign-outs as soon as they are available.

22) Do some volunteer work; it helps balance everything out.
 
Endocardium thanks for supplying you honest opinion of the school. Some of the things you said are troublesome but on the whole im not too worried.

I haven't made it through an interview yet this year where I myself havent been able to pick up miscommunication between various parts of the school administration (nova was the absolute worst on this).

As far as professionalism evaluators, that does seem juvenile but again im not too worried, as long as they dont have mandatory attendance i could care less if people are watching me in class to be sure that I'm not goofing off. I spent the last 8 yrs perfecting that art without getting caught.

Losing professors is never good, this is the part i liked least about what you said.

Class size also doesnt bother me, I always found it weird when you learned every single person's name. Plus, more people means more 'dating' opportunities for us single folk. Im not too worried about sharing a cadaver, I dont envision myself being a surgeon and am not as thrilled about cutting open bodies as some other medical students.

Hopefully the school will get its act together as far as technology goes, but i will have a brand new laptop and my own printer so fortunately I wont rely on the schools stuff. But i can see this being a major problem for those who do not have access to their own printer.

I cant really comment on the school's spending habits having not been around them at all. But its funny that u mention that auditorium bc i remember my interview day i asked the dean what that new building was for and he told me itll be used a lot by the community and I said to him well what about the students and he almost struggled to get it out that students would use it too.

every school has had students ive talked to who have bitched about the curriculum changing out of no where, thats not unique to kcumb.

Ive also heard people raving about KCUMBs rotation sites, so its interesting that they dont seem good to you. Id like to hear more about that.
 
Endocardium:

Oh you're hurting my heart. Kidding. No school is perfect, and thanks for all the info. I have some questions, though. You mention getting tutors for all those classes. Who are the tutors? (past students? TAs?) How readily available are they? What is the average cost? Now with OMT (or whatever they call it there), you suggest that they aren't really emphasizing it. Isn't that a part of the COMLEX? With the anatomy labs, do you think video dissections will be useful? Or do you think that those who are actually dissecting will have an advantage? Forgive me for the lack of knowledge here. Y'all take care!
 
Great info, endocardium. Thanks! I'm still looking forward to attending, but I love all the opinions and info I can get.
 
No school is perfect, and thanks for all the info.

Yes, of course, you are right. I just wanted to present more information than what you might get at an interview. I wished someone had sat me down and done something similar.

I have some questions, though.

Sure. I'll do my best to answer them.

You mention getting tutors for all those classes. Who are the tutors? (past students? TAs?) How readily available are they? What is the average cost?

Yes, definitely get tutors, especially for OMT, Anatomy, and Path. You may want a physio tutor, too, when you get to Cardiopulm. Anyway, to answer your first question, the tutors are 2nd year students. The quality of their tutoring is variable, but it is a free service. I believe that the office which handles tutoring doesn't specifically check how tutors faired in the specific subject in which they are tutoring. This may have changed, but that's my recollection. It's very easy to get a tutor. You just got to the Smith Hall front desk and fill out a form to request one. Then, you should get an email from your tutor, assigned by Stan Viebrock. I've never had a problem getting a tutor. However, since the tutors are 2nd year students, they have academic obligations which could limit when they are available to you. Usually, it is a one to many relationship, meaning, one tutor to many students.

It quickly becomes clear which tutor(s) are worth his or her salt in a given subject. There is a bit of a problem because folks tend to gravitate toward those tutors, even though they are technically not part of their tutoring group. This can be annoying at times, particularly when it impinges on your ability to learn. It can feel kind of crowded and such. This phenomenon is most often seen with anatomy, though.

Now with OMT (or whatever they call it there), you suggest that they aren't really emphasizing it. Isn't that a part of the COMLEX?

Well, we get the standard 2 hrs per week lab and the occasional lecture on the subject. Other instructors may try to integrate some OMT into their classes, but I wouldn't by any means call it extensive. Furthermore, as I mentioned before, the instruction, in my opinion, is not as strong as I'd like it to be (although there are always exceptions). We, meaning my friends and I, spend considerable time working it out ourselves. So, no, I don't personally think it's the best department out there (not our strongest suit), but it's probably going to be enough. It is indeed part of the COMLEX, but you'll probably learn enough to fair well. I was just a bit dissapointed, since I was expecting something much more substantial. It smacks a bit like a watered down beer to me. You can make it work, make the best of it. However, if OMT is your primary motivation, you may wish to see if other programs are any stronger.

With the anatomy labs, do you think video dissections will be useful? Or do you think that those who are actually dissecting will have an advantage?

I don't find dissecting that useful at all. Quite frankly, I was happy that one of my tank mates was a surgeon wannabe. She did a whole bunch of dissecting. I did some, too, but I don't miss all that fascia and fat. :thumbdown: Then again, I'm not exactly the surgeon-type. I'm a medicine type of person.

In MSK, we weren't given much instruction on how to cut, so most people just hacked away, with pretty aweful results sometimes. The video reviews are okay. Try to pay close attention during your lab, try to quiz yourself as you go (use the provided lab list to go through which structures you need to be able to identify), and hope that you have a good TA or instructor come by your tank and help you out. Bring your atlas and try to figure out what you are looking at. Meet with your tutor weekly (or more often if you can) and go over it with him or her. Spend some mornings and/or evenings in the lab by yourself or with friends (in addition to meeting with your tutor) after you have a good feel for where things are and quiz yourself with different cadavers. Anatomy is tough, but if you are diligent, you'll do fine.

Forgive me for the lack of knowledge here. Y'all take care!

No worries; they were good questions. Good luck! :luck:
 
Well, we get the standard 2 hrs per week lab and the occasional lecture on the subject. Other instructors may try to integrate some OMT into their classes, but I wouldn't by any means call it extensive. Furthermore, as I mentioned before, the instruction, in my opinion, is not as strong as I'd like it to be (although there are always exceptions). We, meaning my friends and I, spend considerable time working it out ourselves. So, no, I don't personally think it's the best department out there (not our strongest suit), but it's probably going to be enough. It is indeed part of the COMLEX, but you'll probably learn enough to fair well. I was just a bit dissapointed, since I was expecting something much more substantial. It smacks a bit like a watered down beer to me. You can make it work, make the best of it. However, if OMT is your primary motivation, you may wish to see if other programs are any stronger.

That's a little bit of a disappointment. I am really looking forward to learning the OMT aspect of osteopathic medicine. So, is there any type of club or association that supplements your lab OMT learning, or is practicing with friends the only opportunity for that?

So are you about to enter your rotations? I've looked at the available sites. How does it work for people who choose an out of town rotation site? Is there travel back to school often? Or is it more of a "you're gone for 8 weeks and we'll see ya when it's over"? Or is it actually a year long assignment? When I interviewed at AZCOM, the way the explained the whole scenario is that the students would show up every 6 to 8 weeks and ship out again. Thanks for your time.
 
That's a little bit of a disappointment. I am really looking forward to learning the OMT aspect of osteopathic medicine. So, is there any type of club or association that supplements your lab OMT learning, or is practicing with friends the only opportunity for that?

So are you about to enter your rotations? I've looked at the available sites. How does it work for people who choose an out of town rotation site? Is there travel back to school often? Or is it more of a "you're gone for 8 weeks and we'll see ya when it's over"? Or is it actually a year long assignment? When I interviewed at AZCOM, the way the explained the whole scenario is that the students would show up every 6 to 8 weeks and ship out again. Thanks for your time.

The UAAO club helps out a bit; join it.

The school usually sets up third year rotations so that you stay in one place for all of your core rotations. Assignments and school stuff are online, so you don't need to come back to campus.
 
I did Score1 for Health today and had a blast. For those of you who don't know, this is mandatory program where first and second years go to different community elementary schools and perform health screenings. First years go twice in the year. I primarily did vision testing, but at the end, got involved in performing some physicals. It was great fun working and interacting with the kids. Also, I learned a tremendous amount doing the physicals. It was so refreshing to have an opportunity to do some real medicine, not just reading and learning stuff from a textbook or powerpoint lecture. I suddenly remembered why I wanted to become a physician. I can't wait to go again. :thumbup: :thumbup:

This is something awesome and unique that KCUMB offers. It offers a good service to the community and is a delightful practical learning opportunity. :)
 
I did Score1 for Health today and had a blast. For those of you who don't know, this is mandatory program where first and second years go to different community elementary schools and perform health screenings. First years go twice in the year. I primarily did vision testing, but at the end, got involved in performing some physicals. It was great fun working and interacting with the kids. Also, I learned a tremendous amount doing the physicals. It was so refreshing to have an opportunity to do some real medicine, not just reading and learning stuff from a textbook or powerpoint lecture. I suddenly remembered why I wanted to become a physician. I can't wait to go again. :thumbup: :thumbup:

This is something awesome and unique that KCUMB offers. It offers a good service to the community and is a delightful practical learning opportunity. :)

I remember them talking about this during the interviews. It sounds like a really fun experience! :thumbup:
 
Hey all, the more and more I hear about KCUMB, the more excited I get. I have an interview coming up. Any info you wish to share? Thanks.
 
Hey all, the more and more I hear about KCUMB, the more excited I get. I have an interview coming up. Any info you wish to share? Thanks.

Yeah, just relax. It's a friendly interview, usually by two faculty and/or staff members (two on one, open file). Based on past interview/acceptance data, I believe that there is a likely to be a good probability of acceptance. Most of the interview day is informative. Take advantage of the time to learn what is important to and about the school. It's all right there. However, make sure to read up on osteopathic principles and history, and don't forget to review your own file. As usual, have good answers for why medicine, why osteopathic medicine, specifically, and why KCUMB. Other than that, just be yourself.

Good luck.
 
i got a question about the rotating sites.. many many many of them list maybe 2 or 3 4th year clerkships only. How can that be all these sites offer if you're supposed to chose several electives to fill out an entire year?

Maybe im just confused to how it works, but look at the Kansas City site for example, it only listed 2 4th year clerkships. Does this mean people are hopping around in their 4th years or what? How does this work
 
i got a question about the rotating sites.. many many many of them list maybe 2 or 3 4th year clerkships only. How can that be all these sites offer if you're supposed to chose several electives to fill out an entire year?

Maybe im just confused to how it works, but look at the Kansas City site for example, it only listed 2 4th year clerkships. Does this mean people are hopping around in their 4th years or what? How does this work

Yeah, that's kinda what I was wondering with the entire rotation process in general. I'll learn to state my questions more eloquently... while I'm learning to spell and check for answers that precede my questions... :rolleyes:
 
i got a question about the rotating sites.. many many many of them list maybe 2 or 3 4th year clerkships only. How can that be all these sites offer if you're supposed to chose several electives to fill out an entire year?

Maybe im just confused to how it works, but look at the Kansas City site for example, it only listed 2 4th year clerkships. Does this mean people are hopping around in their 4th years or what? How does this work

You do most of your "core" rotations during your third year:

KCUMB said:
The first 10 clerkships are the primary core clinical experiences and consist of educational experiences in family medicine, internal medicine, pediatrics, surgery, ob/gyn and psychiatry. Additionally, traditional learning objectives will be provided to enhance student learning.

http://www.kcumb.edu/admissions/registrar/third.asp

Here is the third year curriculum:

KCUMB said:
Third-year students are required to complete NINE core clerkships and ONE elective block. All third-year core clerkships are established, confirmed and completed at the assigned KCUMB core site (for exceptions, see policy outlining military clerkships and third-year elective). Completion of two-week clerkship experiences is NOT allowed during the third year (including the third-year elective). Students must successfully complete all 10 clerkships before progressing to the fourth year. These clerkships include the following:
  • Family Medicine (2 blocks)
  • Internal Medicine (2 blocks)
  • Surgery (2 blocks)
  • Ob/Gyn (1 block)
  • Pediatrics (1 block)
  • Psychiatry (1 block)
  • Elective (1 block)

http://www.kcumb.edu/admissions/registrar/third.asp

During the fourth year, things are a bit different:

KCUMB said:
The fourth year experience expands student responsibility through a sub-internship or extended family medicine experience. Additional core experience is provided in cardiology and emergency medicine. Four months of electives are included in the fourth year.

http://www.kcumb.edu/admissions/registrar/third.asp

Here is how rotation sites work:

KCUMB said:
Third and fourth year clinical clerkships are completed at designated training sites around the country. Assignments to sites are determined by a lottery process conducted during the second year. Students complete the core clerkships during the third year at their designated site.

http://www.kcumb.edu/admissions/registrar/fourth.asp

Here's the fourth year curriculum:

KCUMB said:
Students are permitted some flexibility in designing their fourth-year schedule and may determine the location at which each of the clerkship blocks is completed provided all KCUMB scheduling requirements are met. Scheduling and curricular requirements are set by the University to ensure KCUMB students receive structured quality education. Fourth-year clerkships include the following:

Standard Option I
• Emergency Medicine (1 block)
• Cardiology (1 block)
• Rural/Underserved Family Medicine (1 block)
• Sub-internship (2 blocks)
• Elective (4 blocks)
• Interview/Vacation/Elective (1 block)

Alternate Option II
• Emergency Medicine (1 block)
• Cardiology (1 block)
• Rural/Underserved Family Medicine (3 blocks)
• Elective (3 blocks)
• Interview/Vacation/Elective (1 block)

http://www.kcumb.edu/admissions/registrar/fourth.asp

For further questions, contact the OCCE office.
 
yeah i got all that but im still confused because pretty much all of the rotation sites on the occe website dont even list that many rotations for 4th years
 
yeah i got all that but im still confused because pretty much all of the rotation sites on the occe website dont even list that many rotations for 4th years

I don't know, my friend. You'll have to contact the OCCE office for that, or talk to a fourth year student. I'm just a first year student, so my knowledge of rotations is very limited. I know that third year is pretty much set (has set core rotations at one site) and that fourth year has some set rotations (EMED and Cards; of course the Rural/Underserved Family Medicine requirement may not be listed on the core sites), but is primarily for electives and sub-internships. I'm guessing that the school will provide assistance for electives and sub-i's, but you have to apply for and attain them. However, I could be totally wrong, since I'm just making an educated guess. Talk to someone who is doing it.
 
Does anyone know when orientation is and how many days it is or when the white coat ceremony is? Thanks.

Also, I have a question about rotations. If you do not know what specialty you plan on going into, by about when do you need to know? What if you have it narrowed down to 3-4 specialties but would like to check them all out? How do you check them all out while appearing dead-set on the one that you evntually try to match for so that the residencies directors feel confident in you? Is it better to get exposure during 1st and 2nd year, maybe by volunteering or shadowing so that you know pretty much by 3rd year? Or is it better to wait for your board scores before you start worrying about all that? Thanks. I would ask in the main forums but I would kind of like a KCUMB specific answer.
 
Does anyone know when orientation is and how many days it is or when the white coat ceremony is? Thanks.

Also, I have a question about rotations. If you do not know what specialty you plan on going into, by about when do you need to know? What if you have it narrowed down to 3-4 specialties but would like to check them all out? How do you check them all out while appearing dead-set on the one that you evntually try to match for so that the residencies directors feel confident in you? Is it better to get exposure during 1st and 2nd year, maybe by volunteering or shadowing so that you know pretty much by 3rd year? Or is it better to wait for your board scores before you start worrying about all that? Thanks. I would ask in the main forums but I would kind of like a KCUMB specific answer.

White Coat Ceremony is on Aug. 7th. They posted it under the events link on KCUMB's main page pretty recently. Last year's schedule had the WCC on the thursday of orientation week, so I'm guessing orientation week begins on Aug. 4th.
 
I'm IN!! Hello future classmates! :hello: I can't wait to meet you all. Does anyone know if KCUMB will help find roommates for those wanting them who are going to live in CT?
 
White Coat Ceremony is on Aug. 7th. They posted it under the events link on KCUMB's main page pretty recently. Last year's schedule had the WCC on the thursday of orientation week, so I'm guessing orientation week begins on Aug. 4th.

Cool, thanks!

Hi SwmrDoc and congratulations! :thumbup:
 
I'm IN!! Hello future classmates! :hello: I can't wait to meet you all. Does anyone know if KCUMB will help find roommates for those wanting them who are going to live in CT?

Congrats, sir! :D Exciting times await. Go run wild and tell everyone you know... then tell them again!!!
 
I'm IN!! Hello future classmates! :hello: I can't wait to meet you all. Does anyone know if KCUMB will help find roommates for those wanting them who are going to live in CT?

grats and dont forget to join our facebook group. im not sure how ct does roommates
 
i sent an email to the occe office director, ill let u all know what he says.


spiced, can you or one of the other current student explain how the white coat ceremony works? What time does it begin, are there events the whole day? etc..

Also, do you know what goes n the friday after? I just wanna be able to start giving my parents some details.

Also also, when does the semester end in the spring?
 
Congrats, sir! :D Exciting times await. Go run wild and tell everyone you know... then tell them again!!!

haha...:D Oooh I have been!! My friends will all be sick of hearing of KCUMB before long I'm sure. And by the way... I'm not a sir lol. :laugh:

Thanks Jzeidenb for checking on the roommate thing. I appreciate it!
 
haha...:D Oooh I have been!! My friends will all be sick of hearing of KCUMB before long I'm sure. And by the way... I'm not a sir lol. :laugh:

Thanks Jzeidenb for checking on the roommate thing. I appreciate it!

The facebook group that everyone got an email about has a discussion thread about housing, where it appears students can begin looking for roommate matches. Furthermore, I recall the CT woman telling me theyll send us a questionnaire in the spring time to help the matching process.
 
Hey guys, I will answer some of your questions.

Orientation lasts for four days, Mon- Thur. White coating is Thursday night, and Friday is the day you nurse your hangover.

White coat, like all of orientation, is sooooooooo boring, at least in my opinion.
That Thursday afternoon, you guys go to a white coat rehearsal for about an hour, and then at night is the ceremony.
At the ceremony you guys sit there, bored, listening to boring speeches, and then it takes like an hour to coat people.
The BEST part of all this is the White Coat reception, which is where pretty much where your 2K deposit goes. It's open bar so enjoy.
After you guys can go out and party with your new classmates.

My advice for orientation is meet as many of your classmates as possible, and go out every night that week, it's worth it. You'll be hung over for orientation, but it's fun.

Plus some us will come out to meet you guys, even though we start classes that week.
 
Sorry if I'm my grammar sucks, I have a "Quiz" tomorrow so my brain is kinda shot.

T-funk, about rotations: most people have no clue what they want to do, and rotations are a good place to find out, BUT, the best thing to do is shadow before the clinical years. Even if you don't have a clue of what you want to do yet, like me, you can rule out certain specialties.
I took a year off before med school, and spent it shadowing to get an idea of what's going on. If you guys have some time this summer, I would say have fun most importantly, but if you want to do anything, I would say follow some docs around.

Alright guys, if you have anymore questions let me know.
 
Interesting to read the perspectives on KCUMB. Some of the issues endocardium brought up are worth looking into for sure. I just wanted to chime in as a graduate of KCUMB who is now at Vanderbilt with people from some of the top medical schools in the country.

You will be prepared for residency by the school's curriculum and clinical experiences. Ultimately, it comes down to the individual and what they put in. I agree that 3rd year clinical clerkships are very important, so please research where you want to be thoroughly. Being at a small hospital isn't necessarily a bad thing; it may be just you and an attending managing a large list of pts - you will learn. I can't tell you how much better I think my 3rd year was clinically than the Vandy students I work with b/c of more responsibility. However, they definitely get much better didactics which are hit and miss at KCUMB during 3rd year b/c we aren't affiliated with a major medical center. I did my rotations in Wichita and would recommend this site to anyone interested.

I am very happy to have gone to KCUMB, but it sounds like some things may have changed so do your research. Enjoy medical school b/c internship is an awakening to the real world of medicine that you cannot prepare for in any way during the next 4 years.
 
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